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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Coach is Back! on April 27, 2024, 10:27:13 PM
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Back to the range for these knob-dickers.. ::)
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Hilarious.
Barney Fife made do with one bullet.
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Sad to say so many police departments aren't a real profession in so many locations and that is illustrated by their pay. In NJ many cops with no rank are making a base of 150K and many are making 50K in overtime. Then you go to some little departments across the nation and the guys are making 50K that includes their overtime. Think they are professionally trained and they are getting the best personnel?
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All departments go through their initial training for 3-6 months then (depending on the PD) their one year probation period. After that, they only have to qualify every 6-12 months and usually don’t even pick up their firearms unless to clean it in between that time. Sad. Problem is after that most just don’t train. They’ll work their shift, go home and that’s it.
Then when it’s time to use their firearms or get put into a gunfight situation, they panic and either get themselves killed or injured or put some of their own in harms way. I watch video every day of cops that get into gun fights or have to pull their weapons only to flag their own partners. Looking at this video it’s not a wonder why a cops hit rate is about 30% from 7-10 yards and even less when shooting and moving. It’s not that they weren’t trained, it’s lack of ongoing training
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All departments go through their initial training for 3-6 months then (depending on the PD) their one year probation period. After that, they only have to qualify every 6-12 months and usually don’t even pick up their firearms unless to clean it in between that time. Sad. Problem is after that most just don’t train. They’ll work their shift, go home and that’s it.
Then when it’s time to use their firearms or get put into a gunfight situation, they panic and either get themselves killed or injured or put some of their own in harms way. I watch video every day of cops that get into gun fights or have to pull their weapons only to flag their own partners. Looking at this video it’s not a wonder why a cops hit rate is about 30% from 7-10 yards and even less when shooting and moving. It’s not that they weren’t trained, it’s lack of ongoing training
Paper shooting and metal plate shooting that are stationary targets are a different scenario from a life or death scenario. Many times the target is moving. You could be moving. Shooting at the range is a lot different from the stress of taking someone's life and the legal consequences behind it when the bad guy has the capability of taking your life too.
Some of my training involved running prior and sometimes even wrestling prior. Think your shooting will be accurate after that? Nice to have a stationary paper or metal targets as you put your electronic dot on the target. Congrats, you hit your target. In real stress they found many shooters never aligned their sights keeping their eyes on the threat. That is a real mistake but that's reality sometimes when you're in a real fight.
Many top shelf police department train with simunition dye bullets. They put you in something like a school or a mall with a real gun with dye projectiles. You don't know who the bad guy or guys are with all the chaos of the actors. Many have run toward the gun fire to find out in a pause of shooting the "bad" guy ran past them with the victims to get shot in the back.
Another great training tool is shoot don't shoot police video type training game. I guarantee you will not be 100% correct in your seconds decisions to shoot.
It's easy to come to assumptions how great you would do under stress.
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These cops are lucky they missed. No lawsuit.
Probably was no need to even shoot their guns anyway.
I doubt Andy Taylor would have shot.
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Paper shooting and metal plate shooting that are stationary targets are a different scenario from a life or death scenario. Many times the target is moving. You could be moving. Shooting at the range is a lot different from the stress of taking someone's life and the legal consequences behind it when the bad guy has the capability of taking your life too.
Some of my training involved running prior and sometimes even wrestling prior. Think your shooting will be accurate after that? Nice to have a stationary paper or metal targets as you put your electronic dot on the target. Congrats, you hit your target. In real stress they found many shooters never aligned their sights keeping their eyes on the threat. That is a real mistake but that's reality sometimes when you're in a real fight.
Many top shelf police department train with simunition dye bullets. They put you in something like a school or a mall with a real gun with dye projectiles. You don't know who the bad guy or guys are with all the chaos of the actors. Many have run toward the gun fire to find out in a pause of shooting the "bad" guy ran past them with the victims to get shot in the back.
Another great training tool is shoot don't shoot police video type training game. I guarantee you will not be 100% correct in your seconds decisions to shoot.
It's easy to come to assumptions how great you would do under stress.
Training under stress and fatigue is a must. Even as a civilian we do it. But you the only way to get good at gun fighting is to fight with guns. Force on force, scenario based training with simunitions, CQB, VCQB, should be a must and should be ongoing throughout their careers.
Even with simunitions, need to know what it’s like to get shot and shot at. Keeping with the basics (should be reinforced at every range day regardless of skill) marksmanship, moving and shooting even at a target on the range should be part of the training curriculum at the beginning of every training session. Again, even as a civilian I do force on force and scenario based training 2-4x a month.
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Another bang up job by our boys in blue ::)
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Training under stress and fatigue is a must. Even as a civilian we do it. But you the only way to get good at gun fighting is to fight with guns. Force on force, scenario based training with simunitions, CQB, VCQB, should be a must and should be ongoing throughout their careers.
Even with simunitions, need to know what it’s like to get shot and shot at. Keeping with the basics (should be reinforced at every range day regardless of skill) marksmanship, moving and shooting even at a target on the range should be part of the training curriculum at the beginning of every training session. Again, even as a civilian I do force on force and scenario based training 2-4x a month.
When is the last time you were in a shootout with guns and bullets whizzing at you, Coach?
Why not move to the Fashion district in L.A. and get some live action?
Forget that running around in a playhouse with fake things popping up.
https://www.roadsnacks.net/worst-los-angeles-neighborhoods/
Where’s the worst neighborhood in Los Angeles? That would be the Fashion District.
There’s only about 2,466 people packed into this little hood, but all of them are broke. The Fashion District is the most dangerous part of LA, too, where you might just get blown away for wearing the wrong hat.
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When is the last time you were in a shootout with guns and bullets whizzing at you, Coach?
Why not move to the Fashion district in L.A. and get some live action?
Forget that running around in a playhouse with fake things popping up.
https://www.roadsnacks.net/worst-los-angeles-neighborhoods/
Where’s the worst neighborhood in Los Angeles? That would be the Fashion District.
There’s only about 2,466 people packed into this little hood, but all of them are broke. The Fashion District is the most dangerous part of LA, too, where you might just get blown away for wearing the wrong hat.
So are you saying cops or civilians shouldn’t train? I’m confused here. Btw, I’m in that district about once a month
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So are you saying cops or civilians shouldn’t train? I’m confused here. Btw, I’m in that district about once a month
I'm pulling your leg.
However, I think you are a little over the top with the guns, running around in playhouses and shooting 500 rounds a month.
Just carry a snub nosed .38 with a shrouded hammer in your pocket.
If you get attacked stick it in their stomach and pull the trigger.
No need to practice a lot.
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I'm pulling your leg.
However, I think you are a little over the top with the guns, running around in playhouses and shooting 500 rounds a month.
Just carry a snub nosed .38 with a shrouded hammer in your pocket.
If you get attacked stick it in their stomach and pull the trigger.
No need to practice a lot.
I’m sure you’ve been to an indoor range. Have you ever looked up at the ceiling or the side of the walls? A lot of those people carry and/or have CCW’s. While it’s their right, it’s scary at the same time.
500+ a day
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I'm pulling your leg.
However, I think you are a little over the top with the guns, running around in playhouses and shooting 500 rounds a month.
Just carry a snub nosed .38 with a shrouded hammer in your pocket.
If you get attacked stick it in their stomach and pull the trigger.
No need to practice a lot.
Gotta bump those numbers up, those are rookie numbers.
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Gotta bump those numbers up, those are rookie numbers.
Coach has a callus on his trigger finger shooting 500+ a day.
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Coach has a callus on his trigger finger shooting 500+ a day.
I have two trigger fingers. Left handed with pistol, right side with rifle
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I have two trigger fingers. Left handed with pistol, right side with rifle
What is your dominant eye?
Are you amb-eye-dexterous?
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What is your dominant eye?
Are you amb-eye-dexterous?
Pistol draw with my left, right eye dominant. So Im cross dominant.
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500 rounds is very easy to go thru.. However it gets expensive...
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Pistol draw with my left, right eye dominant. So Im cross dominant.
Interesting.
So you hold the handgun in the left but sight with your right eye?
Do you have a left handed handgun?
I'm lefthanded and left eye dominant.
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Interesting.
So you hold the handgun in the left but sight with your right eye?
Do you have a left handed handgun?
I'm lefthanded and left eye dominant.
Yes. Only with a pistol