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he looked his best in 93 pretty much unmatched
here's what he took then
1993, if I can remember correctly, 800 milligrams of deca a week, 600 milligrams of Winstrol, I think 100 milligrams a day of Winstrol tab,” Wheeler said. “I think it was something like 30 milligrams of Anavar. I think back then, my go-to was like testosterone propionate. That was pretty much it.”
so like 3 grams of gear in total and but half of it was winny
he test prop was probably either 350 or 700 mgs a week
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I would venture to say that he was also talking GH to win the 1992 USA.... and definitely to win the 1993 Arnold
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I hear a lot about 1993 but he was diced at the 1998 Arnold best condition I have ever seen him at least in the magazines.
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I was at the 1996 Night of Champions in NYC. I sat behind Shawn Ray. I heard Shawn commenting about how tiny Flex’s waist was.
Flex was great. But I honestly was most impressed with Ronnie. Ronnie took 2nd place, and I felt that he should have won.
I remember being very impressed with Don Long’s arms. But overall I felt that Don was a distant 3rd.
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I was at the 1996 Night of Champions in NYC. I sat behind Shawn Ray. I heard Shawn commenting about how tiny Flex’s waist was.
Flex was great. But I honestly was most impressed with Ronnie. Ronnie took 2nd place, and I felt that he should have won.
I remember being very impressed with Don Long’s arms. But overall I felt that Don was a distant 3rd.
98 was a great Olympia. Nasser Flex and Ronnie were all prepped by Chad and all looked their best. Nasser was pure mass a Flex was pure proportion then you had Ronnie in the middle a perfect mix of the 2 he had Flex freak proportions and condition with Nasser Freak size. Genetically neither had what Ronnie had he looked like Flex but twice the size Nasser size Flex small joints it was sick
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I would venture to say that he was also talking GH to win the 1992 USA.... and definitely to win the 1993 Arnold
he talks about this here and he used 1 iu eod in 92 and went to 1 iu ed in 93
he says it @ 1:33:00
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he talks about this here and he used 1 iu eod in 92 and went to 1 iu ed in 93
he says it @ 1:33:00
Well he is lying has anyone here ever tried to actually take 1iu? That is like taking 1/10th of a cc you telling me he draws 1iu into his dart bs you literally lose 1iu just mixing it up the last iu doesn't even come out. So now you have a 10iu bottle that will last 3 days in the fridge but you are going to make it last 10 days taking 1iu a day when you will be lucky to get 9iu back out of it. BS
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he talks about this here and he used 1 iu eod in 92 and went to 1 iu ed in 93
he says it @ 1:33:00
But I mean by that time you could get pharma GH, so why take so little? I'm sure he had sponsors that would gift him the drugs.
In all likelihood he doean't remember how much he took back then. I seem to remember he also included Parabolan? Not in that clip but somewhere in that podcast. But maybe I remember wrong.
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Well he is lying has anyone here ever tried to actually take 1iu? That is like taking 1/10th of a cc you telling me he draws 1iu into his dart bs you literally lose 1iu just mixing it up the last iu doesn't even come out. So now you have a 10iu bottle that will last 3 days in the fridge but you are going to make it last 10 days taking 1iu a day when you will be lucky to get 9iu back out of it. BS
On a geno pen its 0.3mg , the lowest dose of which my dad who is 70 takes . It does actually help keep him lean.
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Well he is lying has anyone here ever tried to actually take 1iu? That is like taking 1/10th of a cc you telling me he draws 1iu into his dart bs you literally lose 1iu just mixing it up the last iu doesn't even come out. So now you have a 10iu bottle that will last 3 days in the fridge but you are going to make it last 10 days taking 1iu a day when you will be lucky to get 9iu back out of it. BS
Back then it was pharma always so maybe it was a pen? When establishing dose for replacement the guidelines say to start at like .5iu.
But I agree that he likely took more.
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On a geno pen its 0.3mg , the lowest dose of which my dad who is 70 takes . It does actually help keep him lean.
Mg or IU? .3mg would be .9iu.
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Mg or IU? .3mg would be .9iu.
,12mg is 36iu... the pens lowest dose is listed as 0.3mg, but its 0.333mg or whatever.
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Take as much as you can afford. I started on HGH about 2-3 months before my show. I can honestly say my Crohn's is in complete remission. Coincidence? maybe, maybe not I also dramatically reduced the animal fat in my diet.
"Human growth hormone combined with a high-protein diet significantly eased the symptoms of Crohn's disease in three-quarters of patients with moderate to severe cases, a study has found. Crohn's affects the digestive tract, causing persistent diarrhea, abdominal pain, bleeding and a breakdown of the intestinal wall."
https://www.nytimes.com/2000/06/01/us/growth-hormone-is-found-to-aid-crohn-s-patients.html#:~:text=Human%20growth%20hormone%20combined%20with%20a%20high-protein%20diet,bleeding%20and%20a%20breakdown%20of%20the%20intestinal%20wall.
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I will say 1iu to 2iu pharma does actually make a slight difference, Ive run these pens for the last year straight. Done higher doses but I get too many sides so just stay at 2iu to 4iu. But I dont believe a pro would use 1iu. The more you use the better you look and most of the sides are fluid based so diurectics etc solve that problem.
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But I mean by that time you could get pharma GH, so why take so little? I'm sure he had sponsors that would gift him the drugs.
In all likelihood he doean't remember how much he took back then. I seem to remember he also included Parabolan? Not in that clip but somewhere in that podcast. But maybe I remember wrong.
yep he did add parabolan onto that stack probably 75 mgs 3 times a week so now his stack is nearly 3.5 grams in total
still lots and lots of winny but they all fucking loved winny in the 90s
tom platz interviewed 5 or 6 pros and every single one of them used a good amount of winny
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yep he did add parabolan onto that stack probably 75 mgs 3 times a week so now his stack is nearly 3.5 grams in total
still lots and lots of winny but they all fucking loved winny in the 90s
tom platz interviewed 5 or 6 pros and every single one of them used a good amount of winny
You are so focused on what others take or eat like whatever they do is going to work for you. Hello wake up you are an extreme ectomorph with a small bone structure. Double your calories.
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98 was a great Olympia. Nasser Flex and Ronnie were all prepped by Chad and all looked their best. Nasser was pure mass a Flex was pure proportion then you had Ronnie in the middle a perfect mix of the 2 he had Flex freak proportions and condition with Nasser Freak size. Genetically neither had what Ronnie had he looked like Flex but twice the size Nasser size Flex small joints it was sick
I knew someone who went to the 1998 Mr Olympia. They told me that as they watched the show, they felt that the show was between Ronnie Coleman and Kevin Levrone.
He was surprised when Levrone placed 4th. He did admit that he had poor seats, and that he was far away from the stage. When he showed me his contest photos, he wasn’t lying. He was in the cheap seats. But even sitting at that distance you could see Levrone’s impressive silhouette... huge traps, delts, triceps and quads.
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I knew someone who went to the 1998 Mr Olympia. They told me that as they watched the show, they felt that the show was between Ronnie Coleman and Kevin Levrone.
He was surprised when Levrone placed 4th. He did admit that he had poor seats, and that he was far away from the stage. When he showed me his contest photos, he wasn’t lying. He was in the cheap seats. But even sitting at that distance you could see Levrone’s impressive silhouette... huge traps, delts, triceps and quads.
Levrone was winning everything that year then one show in like Prague or something he gets Ronnie drunk and whola Ronnies condition turns freaky and Ronnie Wins then pulls away to win the O. Guys were complaining that Chad was using plasma expnders or some other gimmick as he had all 3 of them peak for the O.
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,12mg is 36iu... the pens lowest dose is listed as 0.3mg, but its 0.333mg or whatever.
Okay, so your dad takes about 1iu a day. 8)
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Okay, so your dad takes about 1iu a day. 8)
Yeah 12mg ÷36iu = 0.333mg aka 1iu. It does actually help keep it leaner even at that dose, he dropped it for two months and noticed a difference without it, started it again and got leaner again.
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Levrone was winning everything that year then one show in like Prague or something he gets Ronnie drunk and whola Ronnies condition turns freaky and Ronnie Wins then pulls away to win the O. Guys were complaining that Chad was using plasma expnders or some other gimmick as he had all 3 of them peak for the O.
Chad claimed they were only pranking Milos, they didn't take it and Nasser tricking Milos with a fake plasma expander plan. Then they snickered as Milos shows up with needle marks in his arms. But they of course experimented with it.
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Okay, so your dad takes about 1iu a day. 8)
this fella puts out some really good content but... but for what he does and takes just look at his relaxed physique, not so good :-X :-X :-X
he says everyone should use gh if they want to add muscle but he's not a great salesmen for it if you look at his physique
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he says everyone should use gh if they want to add muscle but he's not a great salesmen for it if you look at his physique
Yep, the question is why wouldn't you use it. I don't see many reasons not to.
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Yep, the question is why wouldn't you use it. I don't see many reasons not to.
3 for me
1. growth of exsiting cancer cells (number one reason... BY FAR)
2. wider and thicker waist :-X :-X :-X
3. cost
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3 for me
1. growth of exsiting cancer cells (number one reason... BY FAR)
2. wider and thicker waist :-X :-X :-X
3. cost
Yes existing cancer, yes don't take but maybe <2iu could be fine, hard to know.As has been pointed out, GH might stamp out NEW cancer due to it's proimmunity effects
Some are scared of existing cancer either because they previously had cancer or they had a relative die of cancer.
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Yep, the question is why wouldn't you use it. I don't see many reasons not to.
and i don't get why all those 90s guys loved fucking winny so much
that goddamn shitty drug sucked ass for me everytime i tried it and i tried it like 6 or 7 seperate times and it did dickola for me
but i did send you that vid from the 2 scotts on thinkbig where they said deca and winny built the most muscle tissue per mg and they were the clear winners over test, primo, var, drol and dbol
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Yes existing cancer, yes don't take but maybe <2iu could be fine, hard to know.As has been pointed out, GH might stamp out NEW cancer due to it's proimmunity effects
Some are scared of existing cancer either because they previously had cancer or they had a relative die of cancer.
i'm pretty sure i don't need it for my goal of 175-180 @ 5%
deca and dbol can do that i'm pretty sure
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and i don't get why all those 90s guys loved fucking winny so much
that goddamn shitty drug sucked ass for me everytime i tried it and i tried it like 6 or 7 seperate times and it did dickola for me
but i did send you that vid from the 2 scotts on thinkbig where they said deca and winny built the most muscle tissue per mg and they were the clear winners over test, primo, var, drol and dbol
Maybe it does build the most new muscle protein. They say Winstrol is pure magic when already at very low bodyfat. But yes, I could hardly feel it the times I've taken it. But it might still have worked great despite me not feeling it. Pure muscle gains wouldn't show much on the scale either. Say you built 500 grams ofnew protein, add the water in muscle and that's maybe up to 2lbs, nothing on the scale.
I'll try it again with drol in a few months.
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Maybe it does build the most new muscle protein. They say Winstrol is pure magic when already at very low bodyfat. But yes, I could hardly feel it the times I've taken it. But it might still have worked great despite me not feeling it. Pure muscle gains wouldn't show much on the scale either. Say you built 500 grams ofnew protein, add the water in muscle and that's maybe up to 2lbs, nothing on the scale.
I'll try it again with drol in a few months.
i think it's magic when lean is because it dries you the fuck out, that's what "they" say
i am naturally dry as hell so that's not a prob for me
i don't get puffy on dbol or drol, i got a feeling it's because i have naturally very low estrogen levels
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i think it's magic when lean is because it dries you the fuck out, that's what "they" say
i am naturally dry as hell so that's not a prob for me
i don't get puffy on dbol or drol, i got a feeling it's because i have naturally very low estrogen levels
Anadrol doesn't convert to estro but may have an effect on estrogen receptors, hard to say for sure.
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this fella puts out some really good content but... but for what he does and takes just look at his relaxed physique, not so good :-X :-X :-X
he says everyone should use gh if they want to add muscle but he's not a great salesmen for it if you look at his physique
HGH is about ligaments tendons nagging pains skin hair bones collogen etc etc it is not to add muscle it is to make you feel better shit I think it has healed my digestive tract after 3 months
"Human growth hormone combined with a high-protein diet significantly eased the symptoms of Crohn's disease in three-quarters of patients with moderate to severe cases, a study has found.
Crohn's affects the digestive tract, causing persistent diarrhea, abdominal pain, bleeding and a breakdown of the intestinal wall. About half of Crohn's patients require surgery to remove intestinal obstructions or repair holes in the bowel. No cure is known, though drugs can ease symptoms.
The study in Thursday's issue of The New England Journal of Medicine found that 11 of 19 adults treated with growth hormone while on a high-protein diet went into remission. Three others improved significantly"
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How much oil did he inject? Enough to cause circulation and kidney problems?
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How much oil did he inject? Enough to cause circulation and kidney problems?
A big problem is the diuretics which affect the kidneys. He was hospitalized with bad kidney values as far back as 93. And he used enough roids to affect the kidneys, 3 grams a week already back in 93, never mind later.
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Maybe it does build the most new muscle protein. They say Winstrol is pure magic when already at very low bodyfat. But yes, I could hardly feel it the times I've taken it. But it might still have worked great despite me not feeling it. Pure muscle gains wouldn't show much on the scale either. Say you built 500 grams ofnew protein, add the water in muscle and that's maybe up to 2lbs, nothing on the scale.
I'll try it again with drol in a few months.
They were taking Winstrol V injectable back then.Its much different than the oral.
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HGH is about ligaments tendons nagging pains skin hair bones collogen etc etc it is not to add muscle it is to make you feel better shit I think it has healed my digestive tract after 3 months
"Human growth hormone combined with a high-protein diet significantly eased the symptoms of Crohn's disease in three-quarters of patients with moderate to severe cases, a study has found.
Crohn's affects the digestive tract, causing persistent diarrhea, abdominal pain, bleeding and a breakdown of the intestinal wall. About half of Crohn's patients require surgery to remove intestinal obstructions or repair holes in the bowel. No cure is known, though drugs can ease symptoms.
The study in Thursday's issue of The New England Journal of Medicine found that 11 of 19 adults treated with growth hormone while on a high-protein diet went into remission. Three others improved significantly"
you cant cure something you never had
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he looked his best in 93 pretty much unmatched
here's what he took then
1993, if I can remember correctly, 800 milligrams of deca a week, 600 milligrams of Winstrol, I think 100 milligrams a day of Winstrol tab,” Wheeler said. “I think it was something like 30 milligrams of Anavar. I think back then, my go-to was like testosterone propionate. That was pretty much it.”
so like 3 grams of gear in total and but half of it was winny
he test prop was probably either 350 or 700 mgs a week
He was reckless with his drug use, beautiful body in return ( for several years ) and still alive 30 years later
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They were taking Winstrol V injectable back then.Its much different than the oral.
It's not much different ime and I use plenty when I was like 20 years old. I used Zambon pharma amps, I remember taking one a day or every other day, 80 amps in total and nothing. Most will not see a difference between IM and oral. Later I got these amazing amps out of Hong Kong that were double dosed of micronized stano that didn't clog the needle unlike the Zambons.
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It's not much different ime and I use plenty when I was like 20 years old. I used Zambon pharma amps, I remember taking one a day or every other day, 80 amps in total and nothing. Most will not see a difference between IM and oral. Later I got these amazing amps out of Hong Kong that were double dosed of micronized stano that didn't clog the needle unlike the Zambons.
i still can't get over the fact that it's a supposed better muscle builder per mg than dbol, anadrol and var ???
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he looked his best in 93 pretty much unmatched
here's what he took then
1993, if I can remember correctly, 800 milligrams of deca a week, 600 milligrams of Winstrol, I think 100 milligrams a day of Winstrol tab,” Wheeler said. “I think it was something like 30 milligrams of Anavar. I think back then, my go-to was like testosterone propionate. That was pretty much it.”
so like 3 grams of gear in total and but half of it was winny
he test prop was probably either 350 or 700 mgs a week
so j. harris says here @ 34:40 that he was 213 or 216 at 5'9" in 93
so... 3 fucking grams to weigh 213 ??? ??? ???
mentzer was 210 at 5'8" on less than 400 mgs total in 79 :D
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1993 :D
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so j. harris says here @ 34:40 that he was 213 or 216 at 5'9" in 93
so... 3 fucking grams to weigh 213 ??? ??? ???
mentzer was 210 at 5'8" on less than 400 mgs total in 79 :D
Well 3 grams is on the low side today for an Olympian, I would say 4g+ is average.
I don't believe in the Mentzer dosages. Why would he take almost a gram of Durabolin later when his career was over?
They all bullshitted back then to, "protect the kids." Platz was probably doing close to 3 grams at his peak.
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Well 3 grams is on the low side today for an Olympian, I would say 4g+ is average.
I don't believe in the Mentzer dosages. Why would he take almost a gram of Durabolin later when his career was over?
They all bullshitted back then to, "protect the kids." Platz was probably doing close to 3 grams at his peak.
you think 3 grams is low?
most guys nowadays say they take 2-3 grams max
and half of wheelers 3 grams was shitty winny :D
platz says here that he used 100 mgs a day max @ 2:40 i'd say that's bout right
it is hard to believe mentzer used less than 400 mgs weekly to be 210 ripped on stage
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I was actually living and training in Venice late 90s and was with Charles, This was after 93 so flex might have pushed up dosages afterwards, but Flex did more than Paul and Chris combined With the winstrol back then, some injected some just swallowed the vet version you could get 20 or 50ml 50mg per ml vials, stuff could cork you pretty bad and water based injection have given people far more abscesses than oil. Plus none of them ever used HGH more than once, meaning as soon as they mixed the bottle they shot it, whether it was 4-6 -10 iu, they were always saying that the stuff goes off so quick so just shoot it all at once, their placings at the Olympia basically came down to their connection, the US Pharma GH was expensive and got everyone lean, they all wanted it, but hated paying for it and some didn't pay and then that forced them to use Chinese Jins which they overdosed on at 10iu a day, stuffed their Olympia prep as they couldn't get rid of the water from the Jins, you needed to drop that a few weeks further out, took a while and a few fried kidneys from lasix for them to catch on.
I saw what was happening with all of that then. throw in Nubain and retired.
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and here's tom other steroid confession ;D
100 mgs of deca per week and 20 winny per day
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It's not much different ime and I use plenty when I was like 20 years old. I used Zambon pharma amps, I remember taking one a day or every other day, 80 amps in total and nothing. Most will not see a difference between IM and oral. Later I got these amazing amps out of Hong Kong that were double dosed of micronized stano that didn't clog the needle unlike the Zambons.
Its totally different..It gave the thin skin and vascularity..it is a vet drug they give to race horses.The ampules were crap
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and here's tom other steroid confession ;D
100 mgs of deca per week and 20 winny per day
Aaaaaaaaaaaagh! dj, my brother...Warn me if it is that squeaky-tiny-voiced person doing the video, LOL! I would hate to hear him on helium. ;D Thanks!
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More footage of Flex in 1993:
Should have won the Mr. Olympia that year:
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Its totally different..It gave the thin skin and vascularity..it is a vet drug they give to race horses.The ampules were crap
That's laughable. No one EVER said Zambons were crap other than you now. It's a human grade drug. Vet drugs can be just as good but why would vet drugs be way better? The same HG drug is still around under the brand Desma. Historically Winstrol has always been a safe buy, even the UG IP tabs tested at over 50mg, what 25 years ago.
you think 3 grams is low?
most guys nowadays say they take 2-3 grams max
and half of wheelers 3 grams was shitty winny :D
platz says here that he used 100 mgs a day max @ 2:40 i'd say that's bout right
it is hard to believe mentzer used less than 400 mgs weekly to be 210 ripped on stage
So you see how Platz LIES. Add the 200mg of Deca per day and you are already at 2.1 grams. Yes 3 grams today is on the low side for a top pro. It's usually 4 grams plus.
Desma Winstrol Depot today. Why this is crap is beyond me ??? ::)
Nowadays there's even better from UG, double dosed yet easier to inject
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so j. harris says here @ 34:40 that he was 213 or 216 at 5'9" in 93
so... 3 fucking grams to weigh 213 ??? ??? ???
mentzer was 210 at 5'8" on less than 400 mgs total in 79 :D
You have no idea what Mentzer was on
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you think 3 grams is low?
most guys nowadays say they take 2-3 grams max
and half of wheelers 3 grams was shitty winny :D
platz says here that he used 100 mgs a day max @ 2:40 i'd say that's bout right
it is hard to believe mentzer used less than 400 mgs weekly to be 210 ripped on stage
Platz changes his dosages everytime he is interviewed it drops in half every decade
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That's laughable. No one EVER said Zambons were crap other than you now. It's a human grade drug. Vet drugs can be just as good but why would vet drugs be way better? The same HG drug is still around under the brand Desma. Historically Winstrol has always been a safe buy, even the UG IP tabs tested at over 50mg, what 25 years ago.
So you see how Platz LIES. Add the 200mg of Deca per day and you are already at 2.1 grams. Yes 3 grams today is on the low side for a top pro. It's usually 4 grams plus.
Desma Winstrol Depot today. Why this is crap is beyond me ??? ::)
Nowadays there's even better from UG, double dosed yet easier to inject
Why would anyone take the injectible which is a painful crystal that clogs needles and causes absesses. It has oral bioavilibility just take it orally. So what if it has to pass the liver you can take more orally. Even if you only get half as much effectiveness just take twice as much way better than trying to inject that crap. IP was charging about 25 cents for a 50mg pill 25 years ago why the fuck would you inject it
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Why would anyone take the injectible which is a painful crystal that clogs needles and causes absesses. It has oral bioavilibility just take it orally. So what if it has to pass the liver you can take more orally. Even if you only get half as much effectiveness just take twice as much way better than trying to inject that crap. IP was charging about 25 cents for a 50mg pill 25 years ago why the fuck would you inject it
I thought you only took bio-identical hormones?
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Why would anyone take the injectible which is a painful crystal that clogs needles and causes absesses. It has oral bioavilibility just take it orally. So what if it has to pass the liver you can take more orally. Even if you only get half as much effectiveness just take twice as much way better than trying to inject that crap. IP was charging about 25 cents for a 50mg pill 25 years ago why the fuck would you inject it
Sure. Though the Winstrols don't clog anymore (micronized stano). There MIGHT be slightly less liver stress, there MIGHT be less reflux if that is a problem. If I had a nicely made injectable I would inject. Don't even have to inject daily, could do 200mg twice weekly or whatever, remember it's DEPOT.
But yes, the oral is like 98% bioavailable so it's essentially the same.
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I thought you only took bio-identical hormones?
Currently yes
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Aaaaaaaaaaaagh! dj, my brother...Warn me if it is that squeaky-tiny-voiced person doing the video, LOL! I would hate to hear him on helium. ;D Thanks!
yeah sorry about that man
btw, that's not his real voice that's his heel persona taking the mic
i remember when i was back home my mom would walk by and hear his voice and say something like... "who is that annoying idiot?" ;D ;D ;D
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That's laughable. No one EVER said Zambons were crap other than you now. It's a human grade drug. Vet drugs can be just as good but why would vet drugs be way better? The same HG drug is still around under the brand Desma. Historically Winstrol has always been a safe buy, even the UG IP tabs tested at over 50mg, what 25 years ago.
So you see how Platz LIES. Add the 200mg of Deca per day and you are already at 2.1 grams. Yes 3 grams today is on the low side for a top pro. It's usually 4 grams plus.
Desma Winstrol Depot today. Why this is crap is beyond me ??? ::)
Nowadays there's even better from UG, double dosed yet easier to inject
i got a tren ace/winny v mix in moldova and no way there was tren in that as it was clear colored and i never ever got tren cough from it and i got ZERO effect from it, it was just shittyass winstrol and it hurt to inject each and every time
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Why would anyone take the injectible which is a painful crystal that clogs needles and causes absesses. It has oral bioavilibility just take it orally. So what if it has to pass the liver you can take more orally. Even if you only get half as much effectiveness just take twice as much way better than trying to inject that crap. IP was charging about 25 cents for a 50mg pill 25 years ago why the fuck would you inject it
This is from Dan Duchaines book,take it for whats worth..It was made by winthrop, not in some chinese bathtub.
#11) CURRENT FADDISH SHOTGUN FOR MEN The pre-contest weight loss shotgun stack is different from the off season shotgun stack. Having just witnessed the men prepare for the USA and the Olympia, here’s the scoop: Pre-contest : Protropin (1-4 IU daily), Winstrol V injection (50mg daily), Masteron or Permastril (50mg daily), Anavar (15-30 tabs daily; most can’t get the new injection), Nolvadex (20mg daily).
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This is from Dan Duchaines book,take it for whats worth..It was made by winthrop, not in some chinese bathtub.
#11) CURRENT FADDISH SHOTGUN FOR MEN The pre-contest weight loss shotgun stack is different from the off season shotgun stack. Having just witnessed the men prepare for the USA and the Olympia, here’s the scoop: Pre-contest : Protropin (1-4 IU daily), Winstrol V injection (50mg daily), Masteron or Permastril (50mg daily), Anavar (15-30 tabs daily; most can’t get the new injection), Nolvadex (20mg daily).
that's "only" 800-900 weekly total anabolic load
the fellas here are gonna call bullshit on this me thinks
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Well he is lying has anyone here ever tried to actually take 1iu? That is like taking 1/10th of a cc you telling me he draws 1iu into his dart bs you literally lose 1iu just mixing it up the last iu doesn't even come out. So now you have a 10iu bottle that will last 3 days in the fridge but you are going to make it last 10 days taking 1iu a day when you will be lucky to get 9iu back out of it. BS
You have Zero Fucking Clue Cup Cake - 1iu is 1/100th of a cc ::)
Now FUCK OFF.
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Well he is lying has anyone here ever tried to actually take 1iu? That is like taking 1/10th of a cc you telling me he draws 1iu into his dart bs you literally lose 1iu just mixing it up the last iu doesn't even come out. So now you have a 10iu bottle that will last 3 days in the fridge but you are going to make it last 10 days taking 1iu a day when you will be lucky to get 9iu back out of it. BS
So you get the 10 iu vials and add a ml of water
Cheap Chinese copies of peace
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You have Zero Fucking Clue Cup Cake - 1iu is 1/100th of a cc ::)
Now FUCK OFF.
One IU is ten ticks on an insulin syringe if reconstituted with 1ml of water. Personally I would reconstitute with 2ml for a few reasons.
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this fella puts out some really good content but... but for what he does and takes just look at his relaxed physique, not so good :-X :-X :-X
he says everyone should use gh if they want to add muscle but he's not a great salesmen for it if you look at his physique
I currently have three kits sitting in my bathroom closet now. Two kits are old, like a year or so and one is newer. I was planning on starting tomorrow at 2iu as that will carry me 50 days on one kit and I leave for vacation in 54 so I was going to see if it would help with some fat loss when combined with my current weight training program and tightening up my diet a bit (fuck off Grape 🤣). I have done a few executive physicals and one of the things they do is ultrasound and measure all your internal organs. I’ll be curious to see if anything changes between now and my next one which may be end of summer.
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I currently have three kits sitting in my bathroom closet now. Two kits are old, like a year or so and one is newer. I was planning on starting tomorrow at 2iu as that will carry me 50 days on one kit and I leave for vacation in 54 so I was going to see if it would help with some fat loss when combined with my current weight training program and tightening up my diet a bit (fuck off Grape 🤣). I have done a few executive physicals and one of the things they do is ultrasound and measure all your internal organs. I’ll be curious to see if anything changes between now and my next one which may be end of summer.
sounds good
let us know if there is any change with the size of your internal organs that'll be good info to know
he and others say the full fat loss effect of gh comes from 1.6 ius
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he looked his best in 93 pretty much unmatched
here's what he took then
1993, if I can remember correctly, 800 milligrams of deca a week, 600 milligrams of Winstrol, I think 100 milligrams a day of Winstrol tab,” Wheeler said. “I think it was something like 30 milligrams of Anavar. I think back then, my go-to was like testosterone propionate. That was pretty much it.”
so like 3 grams of gear in total and but half of it was winny
he test prop was probably either 350 or 700 mgs a week
What is the point of this thread? Emulate his protocols to achieve the same results? There are so many other factors to take into account, genetics, diet, training, mindset, age.
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that's "only" 800-900 weekly total anabolic load
the fellas here are gonna call bullshit on this me thinks
No. I don't know the year this was printed but probably pre 1990? because they still talk about Protropin. So they were still using everything modestly. Then you had the Genotropins in 90s, and when Munzer died everyone went on high test, and it worked well.
Regarding Flex's cycle, it was just something he now cooked up in his head, guaranteed he doesn't remember much, it was just whatever was in some dealers gym bag, not like today when absolutely everything is at anyone's fingertips.
This is from Dan Duchaines book,take it for whats worth..It was made by winthrop, not in some chinese bathtub.
You sound like some guy who thinks everything today is crap, like oldtimer1, and that the Chinese brew up things in a bathtub, when in actuality it's industrial scale manufacturing in top notch pharma facilities. Then you have the gall to say Zambon or Desma is crap, when these are legitimate pharmaceutical companies. However, underground labs now make even better Winstrol than the legit companies. The legit companies Winstrols and T suspensions tended to clog the needle, you almost needed to mix in a few drops of oil and shoot with a big needle to make sure it wouldn't clog, 18G harpoons.I remember very well when we maybe tried 3 times to shoot and it clogged ever time, some finally threw the syringe at the wall in frustration lol. Now you have double dosed UG that has been micronised that flows through small needles.
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yeah sorry about that man
btw, that's not his real voice that's his heel persona taking the mic
i remember when i was back home my mom would walk by and hear his voice and say something like... "who is that annoying idiot?" ;D ;D ;D
Wait a minute - you were living with your Mom? :o Was she walking past you in the basement..?
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I currently have three kits sitting in my bathroom closet now. Two kits are old, like a year or so and one is newer. I was planning on starting tomorrow at 2iu as that will carry me 50 days on one kit and I leave for vacation in 54 so I was going to see if it would help with some fat loss when combined with my current weight training program and tightening up my diet a bit (fuck off Grape 🤣). I have done a few executive physicals and one of the things they do is ultrasound and measure all your internal organs. I’ll be curious to see if anything changes between now and my next one which may be end of summer.
For fuck sale put the kits in your fridge that stuff goes bad in heat even when not reconstituted
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What is the point of this thread? Emulate his protocols to achieve the same results? There are so many other factors to take into account, genetics, diet, training, mindset, age.
if i went all out and take the right mount of gh, igf, slin, gear and ate perfect and trained everything very hard yep meaning legs and back, i'd be very very lucky to hit 200 @ 5% and that is the msot i could do with my structure, tiny jointed frame and shittyass size genetic, yep i could the ripped lean dry genes but the size genes HELL NO
also it is fascinating that he needed 3 grams of gear to weigh 215 on stage at 5'9 while Mentzer was the same size and the same condition ie. 5'8 210 @ 4-5% on 300 mgs of total gear
and yes his 93 look was the best ever look, better, than king zane, better the jean-paul gulliume, better than nubret, better than labrada, THE FUCKING BEST EVER, but 3 grams to get there?
thanks, but no thanks
i'm now gonna try to be 175 @ 5% on not more than 400 mgs weekly, i think i can do it coz my mania is way subsided and i'm only training 3-4 days a week and sleeping bout 12 hours per day and i'm eating in a slight surplus
again... 93 wheeler THE BEST EVER and yep his wasit was still 30 inches there not 35-36 in his later career
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No. I don't know the year this was printed but probably pre 1990? because they still talk about Protropin. So they were still using everything modestly. Then you had the Genotropins in 90s, and when Munzer died everyone went on high test, and it worked well.
Regarding Flex's cycle, it was just something he now cooked up in his head, guaranteed he doesn't remember much, it was just whatever was in some dealers gym bag, not like today when absolutely everything is at anyone's fingertips.
You sound like some guy who thinks everything today is crap, like oldtimer1, and that the Chinese brew up things in a bathtub, when in actuality it's industrial scale manufacturing in top notch pharma facilities. Then you have the gall to say Zambon or Desma is crap, when these are legitimate pharmaceutical companies. However, underground labs now make even better Winstrol than the legit companies. The legit companies Winstrols and T suspensions tended to clog the needle, you almost needed to mix in a few drops of oil and shoot with a big needle to make sure it wouldn't clog, 18G harpoons.I remember very well when we maybe tried 3 times to shoot and it clogged ever time, some finally threw the syringe at the wall in frustration lol. Now you have double dosed UG that has been micronised that flows through small needles.
yeep they are hyper-obsessive bout everything being measured to the last .0000001 mg/iu
makes me mania seem halfway normal :D
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Wait a minute - you were living with your Mom? :o Was she walking past you in the basement..?
i'm not gonna rent my own place with no money for 6 months chief
that's all i could handle in that shithole pew sa had to get the hell out there
my God i hate that no freedom country, merica the free my fucking ass, and fat ugly cows all over the fucking joint
funny thing is even most russian females are below average but not nearly as bad as pew sa, and before i left poland thier females looks went down from like 1 out of every 8 18-25 year old was fuckable to 1 out of every 15
you're free dullstralia right?
be proud of these dudes then, their lead singer had one of the best voices in rock
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I currently have three kits sitting in my bathroom closet now. Two kits are old, like a year or so and one is newer. I was planning on starting tomorrow at 2iu as that will carry me 50 days on one kit and I leave for vacation in 54 so I was going to see if it would help with some fat loss when combined with my current weight training program and tightening up my diet a bit (fuck off Grape 🤣). I have done a few executive physicals and one of the things they do is ultrasound and measure all your internal organs. I’ll be curious to see if anything changes between now and my next one which may be end of summer.
<must......resist>
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For fuck sale put the kits in your fridge that stuff goes bad in heat even when not reconstituted
For real, the powder goes bad?
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if i went all out and take the right mount of gh, igf, slin, gear and ate perfect and trained everything very hard yep meaning legs and back, i'd be very very lucky to hit 200 @ 5% and that is the msot i could do with my structure, tiny jointed frame and shittyass size genetic, yep i could the ripped lean dry genes but the size genes HELL NO
also it is fascinating that he needed 3 grams of gear to weigh 215 on stage at 5'9 while Mentzer was the same size and the same condition ie. 5'8 210 @ 4-5% on 300 mgs of total gear
and yes his 93 look was the best ever look, better, than king zane, better the jean-paul gulliume, better than nubret, better than labrada, THE FUCKING BEST EVER, but 3 grams to get there?
thanks, but no thanks
i'm now gonna try to be 175 @ 5% on not more than 400 mgs weekly, i think i can do it coz my mania is way subsided and i'm only training 3-4 days a week and sleeping bout 12 hours per day and i'm eating in a slight surplus
again... 93 wheeler THE BEST EVER and yep his wasit was still 30 inches there not 35-36 in his later career
Flex is 5’10, can look around 5’11
Mentzer never took 300 mgs total, much more, don’t believe everything you read/hear
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For real, the powder goes bad?
Anecdotally they aren't nearly as sensitive as everyone thought. But sure, fridge would be ideal.
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Anecdotally they aren't nearly as sensitive as everyone thought. But sure, fridge would be ideal.
I’m about to fire it up today so I doubt it will do anything to help at this point. We will see.
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I’m about to fire it up today so I doubt it will do anything to help at this point. We will see.
I think after this latest vacation panic we need to formulate a plan.
I will follow it as well.
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I’m about to fire it up today so I doubt it will do anything to help at this point. We will see.
If you had a glucometer you might be able to check if it's working.
Or take 10iu at once, day or two.
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Im starting to think they all pinned arms even arnie. Flex arms looked like they had 2-4ml each bicep lower and upper to fill them out and tri's same so thats 16ml of oil just in the arms. Nasser JP flux , Ruhl, Ronnie imo all did the same. Im saying steroids oil not synthol even though some admitted to synthol use, the tiny cycle doses I think are bullshit. Remember this is a drug sport.
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Im starting to think they all pinned arms even arnie. Flex arms looked like they had 2-4ml each bicep lower and upper to fill them out and tri's same so thats 16ml of oil just in the arms. Nasser JP flux , Ruhl, Ronnie imo all did the same. Im saying steroids oil not synthol even though some admitted to synthol use, the tiny cycle doses I think are bullshit. Remember this is a drug sport.
Ernie Taylor always claimed it was prop in his arms
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It also attracts mentally ill "extreme" "crazy" people. Look at how many deluded people are at local shows that get on stage. It just doesnt make sense the top guys are pinning a few ml and calling it a day. If we talk "hyper responders" does that mean the males that are hyper responders are more "feminine" men naturally and have the same AR sensivity as females? As females have more sensitive ARs than males.
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Ernie Taylor always claimed it was prop in his arms
Any steroid, primo anything oil based will give the look they have. It fills out the muscle for a day or two after injecting it . If done correctly you get arnie ronnie rhul looking arms and muscles that "move" like theirs when flexing etc.
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Obviously you have to lift heavy and get the muscle big im not saying its only oil but to me it looks like they all pinned arms.
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And if you go by pharma grade doses per ml 100 to 250mg max 16ml ranges from 1.6grams to 4 grams of gear just in the arms, plus other spots plus orals....
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Also those ml amounts I said are easily doable for 16-18inch arms, these guys have 20+inch arms, 21inch 22inch etc massive arms...you could even fit what I said per arm so 32ml easy which is 3.2grams to 8grams of gear just in arms....
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Ernie Taylor always claimed it was prop in his arms
Said it was 50ml a week !!
Also had used winny V.
Knew him quite well.
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IMO Ernie was full of it. You can't pin that much gear to get that extreme effect. Otherwise every heavy juicer would have a disfigured ass. I got no glute gains from gear ;D
And it appears as though "Synthol" gains are all scar tissue, the oil doesn't stay there for very long, something about it triggers scar tissue formation.
Look at the pros today, seems every single one has artificial shoulders. You almost need it to compete, rear delts in particular. Or they "think" it's essential.
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IMO Ernie was full of it. You can't pin that much gear to get that extreme effect. Otherwise every heavy juicer would have a disfigured ass. I got no glute gains from gear ;D
And it appears as though "Synthol" gains are all scar tissue, the oil doesn't stay there for very long, something about it triggers scar tissue formation.
Look at the pros today, seems every single one has artificial shoulders. You almost need it to compete, rear delts in particular. Or they "think" it's essential.
what about the huge delts coming from the use/abuse of test and tren? i've heard from some guru that test and tren being more "androgens" cause more delt growth
on a recent vid i watched where they ran a study comparing 100 and 300 mgs of deca and test that the deca caused more pec growth and the yest caused more delt growth
they really didn't start pounding test and tren til the 90s and if you look at the 70s and 80s guys they had much smaller delts than the 90s guys but thier chests were just as big
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Also those ml amounts I said are easily doable for 16-18inch arms, these guys have 20+inch arms, 21inch 22inch etc massive arms...you could even fit what I said per arm so 32ml easy which is 3.2grams to 8grams of gear just in arms....
You are just making up nonsense with no actual real world exp. You are going to shoot 16ml into your 16incu arm now meanwhiles glutes have issues if you shoot 3cc? Ronnie arms had a ton of detail he wouldn’t have that if there was oil in them. How are you going to train if you are shooting 4 grams of gear into your arms a week just nonsense
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You are just making up nonsense with no actual real world exp. You are going to shoot 16ml into your 16incu arm now meanwhiles glutes have issues if you shoot 3cc? Ronnie arms had a ton of detail he wouldn’t have that if there was oil in them. How are you going to train if you are shooting 4 grams of gear into your arms a week just nonsense
8ml each arm, 2 2ml shots in bicep, 2 2ml shots in tricep once a week, oil is absorbed within 2 days 3 days max. Or half twice a week. That fits in small arms. Double the dose in bigger arms wouldnt be hard. I know a guy an actual monster his cruise is 1g test 1g mast thats 8ml, cruise. Actual monster not tiny tit wannabee actual pro mr o monster size. Ronnie had the same bicep peak as rhul and arnie, yet different "genetics".
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big paul chimes in
he says the typical off-season dose is
1-1.5 grams of test
600-1000 mgs of an anabolic (deca, eq, primo)
50-100 mgs of an oral (dbol, drol, var)
i'd say the first 2 are right but they aren't taking 100 mgs of dbol or var maybe 100 mgs of drol
also he says dex never took more than 1 gram total
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Chase irons is talking 30ml a week hes 260 to 280 I think.
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8ml each arm, 2 2ml shots in bicep, 2 2ml shots in tricep once a week, oil is absorbed within 2 days 3 days max. Or half twice a week. That fits in small arms. Double the dose in bigger arms wouldnt be hard. I know a guy an actual monster his cruise is 1g test 1g mast thats 8ml, cruise. Actual monster not tiny tit wannabee actual pro mr o monster size. Ronnie had the same bicep peak as rhul and arnie, yet different "genetics".
Ruhls arms have always and still look fake. Ronnie and Arnold arms have always and still look real.
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Why are we pretending it isnt all drugs? And huge amounts of food that makes the big fuckers big. Training is meaningless on big gear, some heavy some light doesnt really matter on boatload of drugs, same as quality of cals doesnt matter when on high dose gear and hgh, on real pharma hgh you can eat anything and look huge and ripped if youre a hyper responder, which most are unless you have rare condition. Why are we pretending these guys are special? Its not them its the drugs . Hence why they all roughly look the same and its just the judges favorite guy most profitable sellable who wins.
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8ml each arm, 2 2ml shots in bicep, 2 2ml shots in tricep once a week, oil is absorbed within 2 days 3 days max. Or half twice a week. That fits in small arms. Double the dose in bigger arms wouldnt be hard. I know a guy an actual monster his cruise is 1g test 1g mast thats 8ml, cruise. Actual monster not tiny tit wannabee actual pro mr o monster size. Ronnie had the same bicep peak as rhul and arnie, yet different "genetics".
8mp a week is believable but in the glutes and quads large muscle groups not the biceps look how much smaller it is than your glute and it is all veins and muscle no fat. Additionally studies show site injections don’t work we also know this because we don’t get massive glutes. So why go through all those painful shots that will make training even more painful?
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8mp a week is believable but in the glutes and quads large muscle groups not the biceps look how much smaller it is than your glute and it is all veins and muscle no fat. Additionally studies show site injections don’t work we also know this because we don’t get massive glutes. So why go through all those painful shots that will make training even more painful?
Try it, pin 1ml first, then 2ml, then do the same in the lower part of the muscle, then do both upper and lower once the muscle has got used to taking that amount, you havent tried it have you?
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Most people will try a small muscle group site Injection once. I did my calves once I think I actually did the biceps once in college before I knew better but you will then they will realize it is absolutely not worth it. Only a real physco could keep that up like you would need to inject Nubian with it the pain after a week would be unbearable. And it doesn’t even work!! Studies show site injections don’t work we also all know our glutes dont grow from injections.
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8mp a week is believable but in the glutes and quads large muscle groups not the biceps look how much smaller it is than your glute and it is all veins and muscle no fat. Additionally studies show site injections don’t work we also know this because we don’t get massive glutes. So why go through all those painful shots that will make training even more painful?
All the modern guys have retarded balloon bubble butt glutes and ventra glutes. Look at ronnies ventraglute and glutes lmao. Even valentino said jay cutlers ass was huge from pinning gear there as you get slight inflammation where ever you inject. Then if done right it you it doesnt spill over, even milos talks about it.
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Try it, pin 1ml first, then 2ml, then do the same in the lower part of the muscle, then do both upper and lower once the muscle has got used to taking that amount, you havent tried it have you?
Fuck no do you have any idea how painful that is going to be? Hell no I will just stick with my glutes like a normal meat head. You are going to hit something eventually doing that as well.
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Most people will try a small muscle group site Injection once. I did my calves once I think I actually did the biceps once in college before I knew better but you will then they will realize it is absolutely not worth it. Only a real physco could keep that up like you would need to inject Nubian with it the pain after a week would be unbearable. And it doesn’t even work!! Studies show site injections don’t work we also all know our glutes dont grow from injections.
Once area is used to it no pain, again you havent tried and backed out after the first painful shot, aka virgin muscle which every single muscle even the big ones can react to.
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All the modern guys have retarded balloon bubble butt glutes and ventra glutes. Look at ronnies ventraglute and glutes lmao. Even valentino said jay cutlers ass was huge from pinning gear there as you get slight inflammation where ever you inject. Then if done right it you it doesnt spill over, even milos talks about it.
Right and do you want deformed scar tissue in your ass where no one can see it or in your upper body? By all means have at it. I tried my biceps once in college. I tried my calves once in the army after college. I have not done anything other than glutes and quads since. Go ahead give it a try it is going to be painful as hell and you are going to hit something eventually and scar tissue is not muscle fuck that I do not want inflammation like that in my arms. I want good blood flow not inflamed scar tissue and a damaged vascular system
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Fuck no do you have any idea how painful that is going to be? Hell no I will just stick with my glutes like a normal meat head. You are going to hit something eventually doing that as well.
Easy way is start off with 0.5ml in slin pins in two places , thats your 1ml, then you do 1ml in same place, then 2ml etc.
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You cant even feel insulin needles or yellows. If using pharma test cut it with thinner gear and it will move throw the tiny needle.
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Right and do you want deformed scar tissue in your ass where no one can see it or in your upper body? By all means have at it. I tried my biceps once in college. I tried my calves once in the army after college. I have not done anything other than glutes and quads since. Go ahead give it a try it is going to be painful as hell and you are going to hit something eventually and scar tissue is not muscle fuck that I do not want inflammation like that in my arms. I want good blood flow not inflamed scar tissue and a damaged vascular system
Try it you will add 1inch essy to your arm size just from one 2ml shot in each bicep. It doesnt fuck your definition if done right. Pin inside of bicep not outer/brac side. Pin the inner side thats against your body when arms are down by side.
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IMO Ernie was full of it. You can't pin that much gear to get that extreme effect. Otherwise every heavy juicer would have a disfigured ass. I got no glute gains from gear ;D
And it appears as though "Synthol" gains are all scar tissue, the oil doesn't stay there for very long, something about it triggers scar tissue formation.
Look at the pros today, seems every single one has artificial shoulders. You almost need it to compete, rear delts in particular. Or they "think" it's essential.
Ernies arms were full of scar tissue.
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Ernies arms were full of scar tissue.
Yeah in pics it looked like some weird acne type scarring on the skin, or massive amounts of small holes.
Regarding the pain from site injects. I have tried it as well but one inject and no more, biceps were fucked for a week, had to move with my arms bent. But obviously it's true that if you keep it up every day you will desensitize, they say after a week it's much better. Back when I started the ass was painful for a week from pharma gear. The other kids said they couldn't sit or lie normally on the bed. But you get used to it.
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Yeah in pics it looked like some weird acne type scarring on the skin, or massive amounts of small holes.
Regarding the pain from site injects. I have tried it as well but one inject and no more, biceps were fucked for a week, had to move with my arms bent. But obviously it's true that if you keep it up every day you will desensitize, they say after a week it's much better. Back when I started the ass was painful for a week from pharma gear. The other kids said they couldn't sit or lie normally on the bed. But you get used to it.
They were horrible & lumpy / kind of gritty
I was back stage once & he asked for some oil on his back & arms.
Surprisingly he could use his arms considering how they felt. Definitely NO Homo.
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Yeah in pics it looked like some weird acne type scarring on the skin, or massive amounts of small holes.
Regarding the pain from site injects. I have tried it as well but one inject and no more, biceps were fucked for a week, had to move with my arms bent. But obviously it's true that if you keep it up every day you will desensitize, they say after a week it's much better. Back when I started the ass was painful for a week from pharma gear. The other kids said they couldn't sit or lie normally on the bed. But you get used to it.
You can hit arms once a week easy and it will be go2go the next week and so on. The pain will be for the first shots but also when you go up in volume every time,depends on the person and who you react but the pain isnt bad. No worse than doms. One funny example is andrew jacked,look at his tris and arms in general, hes putting msot of his gear there 100%.
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You can hit arms once a week easy and it will be go2go the next week and so on. The pain will be for the first shots but also when you go up in volume every time,depends on the person and who you react but the pain isnt bad. No worse than doms. One funny example is andrew jacked,look at his tris and arms in general, hes putting msot of his gear there 100%.
FUCK OFF POSER!!