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Title: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: dj181 on May 30, 2024, 06:15:39 PM
Currently on 200 test 100 deca and 20 dbol and my waist is now 28 3/4 but I'm a little wet even though I'm like 5-6% body fat

So if I swapped the dbol for winny and dropped test to 100 would that dry me more?

I'm pretty sure I can get my waist down to 28 inches which is good but I want to be drier

Maybe just add an ai instead?

So let the flames begin ;D
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: dj181 on May 30, 2024, 06:17:30 PM
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: bhank on May 30, 2024, 06:45:21 PM
Obviously dbol is known to make you hold water and winny is known to dry you out. I thought the plan was to bulk until your arms got over 16 inches? 28 inch waist at what 150lbs? Add some size first then dry out and for fuck sake stop obsessing about your waist. Your hip structure is not going to change. You should keep your test at a 2 to 1 ratio over your deca
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: dj181 on May 30, 2024, 06:50:29 PM
Obviously dbol is known to make you hold water and winny is known to dry you out. I thought the plan was to bulk until your arms got over 16 inches? 28 inch waist at what 150lbs? Add some size first then dry out and for fuck sake stop obsessing about your waist

Hahaha

Goal is to get a 28 inch waist first then add size while keeping the waist @ 28 inches

Key is to add calories wisely and not gorge

According to doctor Scott Stevenson deca and winny are the most anabolic compounds mg per mg

Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: bhank on May 30, 2024, 06:58:03 PM
Hahaha

Goal is to get a 28 inch waist first then add size while keeping the waist @ 28 inches

Key is to add calories wisely and not gorge

According to doctor Scott Stevenson deca and winny are the most anabolic compounds mg per mg

You want to stay at 2 to 1 ratio to avoid Deca dick. Generally speaking, a 2 to 1 test to other compound ratio is a good idea to reduce potential sides. You are 52 years old how many decades are you going to starve yourself trying to get a 28 inch waist before you eat and try to get 16 inch arms? Your waist size is determined by your hip structure you can only lose the fat after that starving yourself is pointless. Do you have any fat on your waist? No then that is as small as it is going to get now fucking eat something already.
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: dj181 on May 30, 2024, 07:09:46 PM
You want to stay at 2 to 1 ratio to avoid Deca dick. Generally speaking, a 2 to 1 test to other compound ratio is a good idea to reduce potential sides. You are 52 years old how many decades are you going to starve yourself trying to get a 28 inch waist before you eat and try to get 16 inch arms? Your waist size is determined by your hip structure you can only lose the fat after that starving yourself is pointless. Do you have any fat on your waist? No then that is as small as it is going to get now fucking eat something already.

I do have fat on it, on the love handle/lower back which is a part of the waist measurement

Not sure how much is fat and how much is water though

You are dead wrong bout eating though cos if you eat above maintenance those extra cals will convert to fat I know cos I have experienced this at least 10 goddamn fucking times it DOES NOT work

Key is to keep cals lower and build strength by lifting heavier loads

Right now my chin up is body weight for 10 reps but strict chins with a controllef negative and 1-2 second static hold at tol as advised by robcguns thanks brother

And decline close grip bench is 80 kg 10 reps so you are saying that if I increase my chin to bodyweight plus 20 kg for 10 and decline close grip to 100 kg for 10 which I will do so that my arm's will not be bigger?

Uh yes they will  ;)

Oh and I don't get deca dick my sex drive is insane even on 600 deca and 200 test👍
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: Sandrock on May 30, 2024, 07:28:47 PM
I'm a little wet

Your boygina is wet because you've been looking at pictures of robcguns again.  Log off getbig, take a shit, wipe thoroughly, and you'll be dry.
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: dj181 on May 30, 2024, 07:32:24 PM
Your boygina is wet because you've been looking at pictures of robcguns again.  Log off getbig, take a shit, wipe thoroughly, and you'll be dry.

Good one tough guy

I'm impressed
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: bhank on May 30, 2024, 08:00:03 PM
I do have fat on it, on the love handle/lower back which is a part of the waist measurement

Not sure how much is fat and how much is water though

You are dead wrong bout eating though cos if you eat above maintenance those extra cals will convert to fat I know cos I have experienced this at least 10 goddamn fucking times it DOES NOT work

Key is to keep cals lower and build strength by lifting heavier loads

Right now my chin up is body weight for 10 reps but strict chins with a controllef negative and 1-2 second static hold at tol as advised by robcguns thanks brother

And decline close grip bench is 80 kg 10 reps so you are saying that if I increase my chin to bodyweight plus 20 kg for 10 and decline close grip to 100 kg for 10 which I will do so that my arm's will not be bigger?

Uh yes they will  ;)

Oh and I don't get deca dick my sex drive is insane even on 600 deca and 200 test👍

You are a full-blown anorexic on gear it makes no sense

Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: dj181 on May 30, 2024, 08:06:44 PM
You are a full-blown anorexic on gear it makes no sense

You do realise that cbum was eating 1200 cals of the end of prep right?

He was 225-230 on stage

Me thinks you don't realise what it takes to be truly shredded and diced

It ain't aneroxia it is called doing what it fucking takes go to that place you've never been to that place
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: BigRo on May 31, 2024, 12:27:49 AM
You want to stay at 2 to 1 ratio to avoid Deca dick. Generally speaking, a 2 to 1 test to other compound ratio is a good idea to reduce potential sides. You are 52 years old how many decades are you going to starve yourself trying to get a 28 inch waist before you eat and try to get 16 inch arms? Your waist size is determined by your hip structure you can only lose the fat after that starving yourself is pointless. Do you have any fat on your waist? No then that is as small as it is going to get now fucking eat something already.

Are you talking from your own experience regarding deca dick? Such problems are supposed to happen at higher doses of deca not below 500mg. And generally speaking you dont need test at a 2.1 ratio to other compounds to avoid sides. You can run a small trt dose of test or 2-300mg alongside a higher mg of other compounds.
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: joswift on May 31, 2024, 12:52:45 AM
Currently on 200 test 100 deca and 20 dbol and my waist is now 28 3/4 but I'm a little wet even though I'm like 5-6% body fat

So if I swapped the dbol for winny and dropped test to 100 would that dry me more?

I'm pretty sure I can get my waist down to 28 inches which is good but I want to be drier

Maybe just add an ai instead?

So let the flames begin ;D

let the mania begin.......
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: joswift on May 31, 2024, 12:54:52 AM
Are you talking from your own experience regarding deca dick? Such problems are supposed to happen at higher doses of deca not below 500mg. And generally speaking you dont need test at a 2.1 ratio to other compounds to avoid sides. You can run a small trt dose of test or 2-300mg alongside a higher mg of other compounds.

Brian only takes bio-identical hormones yet claims to know all about steroids

Fuck him the coke headed snitch
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: bhank on May 31, 2024, 02:15:19 AM
You do realise that cbum was eating 1200 cals of the end of prep right?

He was 225-230 on stage

Me thinks you don't realise what it takes to be truly shredded and diced

It ain't aneroxia it is called doing what it fucking takes go to that place you've never been to that place

At the end of his prep after he already bulked up over 250lbs he then cut weight. You never bulked up you are under 160lbs where the fuck  do you think you are? The goal is not just to have 0 body fat at 120lbs  what about your show is the plan To show up at 150lbs shredded? Don't tell me about what you are willing to do you are not even willing to train legs.
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: joswift on May 31, 2024, 04:16:06 AM
At the end of his prep after he already bulked up over 250lbs he then cut weight. You never bulked up you are under 160lbs where the fuck  do you think you are? The goal is not just to have 0 body fat at 120lbs  what about your show is the plan To show up at 150lbs shredded? Don't tell me about what you are willing to do you are not even willing to train legs.
I havent seen his legs but djs upper body beats you in a show
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: bhank on May 31, 2024, 04:22:06 AM
I havent seen his legs but djs upper body beats you in a show

That is not true but if anyone would prefer DJ build to mine good for them. I think he looks like a meth addict but what do I know. I am more than happy with my current form.
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: joswift on May 31, 2024, 07:06:53 AM
That is not true but if anyone would prefer DJ build to mine good for them. I think he looks like a meth addict but what do I know. I am more than happy with my current form.

Said no competitive bodybuilder ever

Its also the reason you will never improve, you dont think you need to.
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: wes on May 31, 2024, 09:09:43 AM
Said no competitive bodybuilder ever

Its also the reason you will never improve, you dont think you need to.
Complacency Of Peace
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: MajorDomo on May 31, 2024, 09:50:57 AM
Currently on 200 test 100 deca and 20 dbol and my waist is now 28 3/4 but I'm a little wet even though I'm like 5-6% body fat

So if I swapped the dbol for winny and dropped test to 100 would that dry me more?

I'm pretty sure I can get my waist down to 28 inches which is good but I want to be drier

Maybe just add an ai instead?

So let the flames begin ;D

The answer to your inner peace lies within you, young skywalker- not in a syringe.
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: bhank on May 31, 2024, 09:51:54 AM
Said no competitive bodybuilder ever

Its also the reason you will never improve, you dont think you need to.

Getting my pec fixed won't be an improvement? Getting a squat rack is not a step towards improvement? Winning the Cup is not improvement? I am not getting leaner and improving staying closer to contest form I am just shrinking right?

Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: joswift on May 31, 2024, 09:57:04 AM
Getting my pec fixed won't be an improvement? Getting a squat rack is not a step towards improvement? Winning the Cup is not improvement? I am not getting leaner and improving staying closer to contest form I am just shrinking right?
You have gotten gradually worse over the last 4 years

June 2021
(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=672165.0;attach=1310025;image)
now


same PJs FFS


Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: bhank on May 31, 2024, 10:01:33 AM
You have gotten gradually worse over the last 4 years

June 2021
(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=672165.0;attach=1310025;image)
now


same PJs FFS

Look at the bicep peak on the right arm between the still shot and the video
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: joswift on May 31, 2024, 10:11:07 AM
Look at the bicep peak on the right arm between the still shot and the video

there isnt a peak, you know it and everyone else knows it
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: Never1AShow on May 31, 2024, 12:18:27 PM
You have gotten gradually worse over the last 4 years

June 2021
(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=672165.0;attach=1310025;image)
now


same PJs FFS

But there’s $1400 of “yard work” evident on those trimmed bushes.
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: IroNat on May 31, 2024, 12:30:04 PM
Bhanky,
Are you running out of money so you need to sell your bike?
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: webstar on May 31, 2024, 12:31:05 PM
But there’s $1400 of “yard work” evident on those trimmed bushes.

Snow removal
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: bhank on May 31, 2024, 02:17:55 PM
Bhanky,
Are you running out of money so you need to sell your bike?

I am running out of space. I am moving from a 2 car garage and shop to a 2 car garage. Also they built the house on a hill so somehow it is a 6 foot drop off from the ground level to the garage floor so it is steep kind of like the steps from the front porch. The reason this matters is because there are steps coming off the front instead of going sideways in the garage taking up space and I am not even sure I can get 2 full size cars in there so yeah everything has to go other than my corvette. The hog takes up a lot of garage space and does not get used. I honestly need to list my KTM as well same issue. I may actually get a smaller cafe racer or even a Vespa to get to the local shops. Once I get moved I also will probably trade the truck in as again parking a dhually in Raleigh is not pragmatic and it only gets 10 miles to a gallon on diesel so not great for around town traffic commuting. I am looking at a new 4 runner maybe not sure on their new V6 hybrid engines but plan to look at those and the Land Cruiser
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: joswift on May 31, 2024, 02:43:25 PM
I am running out of space. I am moving from a 2 car garage and shop to a 2 car garage. Also they built the house on a hill so somehow it is a 6 foot drop off from the ground level to the garage floor so it is steep kind of like the steps from the front porch. The reason this matters is because there are steps coming off the front instead of going sideways in the garage taking up space and I am not even sure I can get 2 full size cars in there so yeah everything has to go other than my corvette. The hog takes up a lot of garage space and does not get used. I honestly need to list my KTM as well same issue. I may actually get a smaller cafe racer or even a Vespa to get to the local shops. Once I get moved I also will probably trade the truck in as again parking a dhually in Raleigh is not pragmatic and it only gets 10 miles to a gallon on diesel so not great for around town traffic commuting. I am looking at a new 4 runner maybe not sure on their new V6 hybrid engines but plan to look at those and the Land Cruiser

in two years time you will be sucking cocks for $5 dollars a pop, thats if you are still alive
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: keanu on May 31, 2024, 06:10:18 PM
You fuckers hijacked another one of DJs threads....
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: bhank on May 31, 2024, 06:38:48 PM
You fuckers hijacked another one of DJs threads....

Every thread of his is the same he is going to take more drugs because some guru youtube said so and he is going to lose an inch off his 150lb waist while increasing his arms to 16 inches and in a few weeks the open wounds on his legs will heal then he will train legs
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: webstar on May 31, 2024, 09:07:04 PM
I am running out of space. I am moving from a 2 car garage and shop to a 2 car garage. Also they built the house on a hill so somehow it is a 6 foot drop off from the ground level to the garage floor so it is steep kind of like the steps from the front porch. The reason this matters is because there are steps coming off the front instead of going sideways in the garage taking up space and I am not even sure I can get 2 full size cars in there so yeah everything has to go other than my corvette. The hog takes up a lot of garage space and does not get used. I honestly need to list my KTM as well same issue. I may actually get a smaller cafe racer or even a Vespa to get to the local shops. Once I get moved I also will probably trade the truck in as again parking a dhually in Raleigh is not pragmatic and it only gets 10 miles to a gallon on diesel so not great for around town traffic commuting. I am looking at a new 4 runner maybe not sure on their new V6 hybrid engines but plan to look at those and the Land Cruiser

So you need to downsize or you have no money?

Sounds like a bit of both.
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: IroNat on June 01, 2024, 06:35:11 AM
I am running out of space. I am moving from a 2 car garage and shop to a 2 car garage. Also they built the house on a hill so somehow it is a 6 foot drop off from the ground level to the garage floor so it is steep kind of like the steps from the front porch. The reason this matters is because there are steps coming off the front instead of going sideways in the garage taking up space and I am not even sure I can get 2 full size cars in there so yeah everything has to go other than my corvette. The hog takes up a lot of garage space and does not get used. I honestly need to list my KTM as well same issue. I may actually get a smaller cafe racer or even a Vespa to get to the local shops. Once I get moved I also will probably trade the truck in as again parking a dhually in Raleigh is not pragmatic and it only gets 10 miles to a gallon on diesel so not great for around town traffic commuting. I am looking at a new 4 runner maybe not sure on their new V6 hybrid engines but plan to look at those and the Land Cruiser

Why are you buying a house with such a messed up garage situation?

Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: joswift on June 01, 2024, 06:44:57 AM
Why are you buying a house with such a messed up garage situation?
He has no say in the matter , its Ems house.
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: bigchuck on June 01, 2024, 07:49:59 AM
62 grams of gold at $ 74.81
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: Van_Bilderass on June 01, 2024, 08:19:25 AM
Platz looked tremendous on 1.5 grams of Deca and 100mg of Winstrol.

Very watery, see ankles, but great nonetheless
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: BigRo on June 01, 2024, 08:35:29 AM
Platz looked tremendous on 1.5 grams of Deca and 100mg of Winstrol.

Very watery, see ankles, but great nonetheless

How do you know his doses?
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: Van_Bilderass on June 01, 2024, 08:43:48 AM
How do you know his doses?

The Winstrol dose he has admitted in a seminar. A guy who posts on professionalmuscle said this

Quote
Oh, and Platz. He was always kind of a strange cat, kind of like Pakulski maybe but way more likeable, maybe more like Kai would be a better analogy. In that he was very difficult to learn from. Although his old leg training manual is one of the best leg routines ever. His upper body training was all over the place in contrast to the organization of his leg training. He told me to take 1 vial of Deca per day to grow, which then would have been 200mg. Amazes me that he doesn't sell this shit on Instagram or some shit.   

This poster seems very reliable to me.

These kinds of doses correspond very well with his looks. What do you think?

https://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/index.php?threads/johnny-fuller.138823/

I got curious about that great leg training manual and found it

https://ditillo2.blogspot.com/2022/01/tom-platz-leg-training-manual.html?m=1
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: dj181 on June 01, 2024, 09:06:16 AM
The Winstrol dose he has admitted in a seminar. A guy who posts on professionalmuscle said this

This poster seems very reliable to me.

These kinds of doses correspond very well with his looks. What do you think?

https://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/index.php?threads/johnny-fuller.138823/

I got curious about that great leg training manual and found it

https://ditillo2.blogspot.com/2022/01/tom-platz-leg-training-manual.html?m=1

I think he's talking about the seminar he did in Australia

There he said he'd take 1 mg per kilo per day which would be 100 in his case he I think that was his total gear doses not just winny

If he was taking the dose you said that puts his weekly dose to over 2 grams which is what they do now 2-3 grams weekly
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: Van_Bilderass on June 01, 2024, 09:16:33 AM
I think he's talking about the seminar he did in Australia

There he said he'd take 1 mg per kilo per day which would be 100 in his case he I think that was his total gear doses not just winny

If he was taking the dose you said that puts his weekly dose to over 2 grams which is what they do now 2-3 grams weekly

They are mostly at the 4 gram+ range in the pros. When I ask top heavyweight competitors they almost invariably fall in that range. But whatever...

However, one oldtimer who must have exaggerated his doses tremendously was Grymkowki. Some one posted a clip here awhile back where he claimed he usually took 3 bottles of orals a day and then 5 bottles precontest. He started at 3 grams total a day and peaked at 10 grams a day.
Someone explain to me his psychology to say total horseshit like this? ??? It's not just a little exaggerated but he claimed to do like 70 grams a week, compare to someone like Nasser who was probably pushing 10 grams. Wtf.
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: dj181 on June 01, 2024, 09:53:05 AM
They are mostly at the 4 gram+ range in the pros. When I ask top heavyweight competitors they almost invariably fall in that range. But whatever...

However, one oldtimer who must have exaggerated his doses tremendously was Grymkowki. Some one posted a clip here awhile back where he claimed he usually took 3 bottles of orals a day and then 5 bottles precontest. He started at 3 grams total a day and peaked at 10 grams a day.
Someone explain to me his psychology to say total horseshit like this? ??? It's not just a little exaggerated but he claimed to do like 70 grams a week, compare to someone like Nasser who was probably pushing 10 grams. Wtf.

Yep on one of the podcasts I listened to this week a guy who has coached pros said they were using 4-6 grams

So 4-6 grams to weigh what on stage 230-260 brutal

Big Paul is running over 3 grams and he will most likely weigh 235ish onstage and he is 6'2"

3+ grams to weigh 235 @ 6'2" ???

But he also said he was holding 250 on trt+ of 300 mgs so he ups his dose 10 times to weigh the same ???

Vigorous Steve is taking 150 test 70 var and 25 mgs tren all weekly so a total dose of 250 and he weighs 220 at 5'9" said he gained 6 kilo in 5 weeks when he added in the 25 mgs of tren weekly and he said he recomped as well so he thinks it was more like 8 kilos of muscle in 5 weeks

So what gives?
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: joswift on June 01, 2024, 10:02:03 AM
Yep on one of the podcasts I listened to this week a guy who has coached pros said they were using 4-6 grams

So 4-6 grams to weigh what on stage 230-260 brutal

Big Paul is running over 3 grams and he will most likely weigh 235ish onstage and he is 6'2"

3+ grams to weigh 235 @ 6'2" ???

But he also said he was holding 250 on trt+ of 300 mgs so he ups his dose 10 times to weigh the same ???

Vigorous Steve is taking 150 test 70 var and 25 mgs tren all weekly so a total dose of 250 and he weighs 220 at 5'9" said he gained 6 kilo in 5 weeks when he added in the 25 mgs of tren weekly and he said he recomped as well so he thinks it was more like 8 kilos of muscle in 5 weeks

So what gives?

Its a shame your guru searches are not as varied as your youtube music videos.
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: dj181 on June 01, 2024, 11:07:41 AM
Its a shame your guru searches are not as varied as your youtube music videos.

Alright so here's doc Todd lee

And his workouts take 3-4 hours wtf

He said he made his best progress training push pull legs every other day and yet he trains push pull legs 2 on 1 off so why the fuck doesn't he go with what gave him the best progress

He takes low dose test and blasts the shit out of mast as he says it's the safest steroid

Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: joswift on June 01, 2024, 11:17:28 AM
Alright so here's doc Todd lee

And his workouts take 3-4 hours wtf

He said he made his best progress training push pull legs every other day and yet he trains push pull legs 2 on 1 off so why the fuck doesn't he go with what gave him the best progress

He takes low dose test and blasts the shit out of mast as he says it's the safest steroid


Now just keep your guru searches to yourself.
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: MajorDomo on June 01, 2024, 12:28:31 PM
Platz looked tremendous on 1.5 grams of Deca and 100mg of Winstrol.

Very watery, see ankles, but great nonetheless

With your purported knowledge of drugs you must look amazing Van!
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: Van_Bilderass on June 01, 2024, 01:55:11 PM
With your purported knowledge of drugs you must l

look amazing Van!

Like I've said many times, I look like shit, nearly handicapped now too.

But you know knowledge doesn't have that much to do with real world personal results. In fact, a bb can probably be hindered by too much knowledge. You need almost zero knowledge to be a champion. All the top guys know jack shit.

This is just a quirk of mine.
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: dj181 on June 01, 2024, 03:10:42 PM
Every thread of his is the same he is going to take more drugs because some guru youtube said so and he is going to lose an inch off his 150lb waist while increasing his arms to 16 inches and in a few weeks the open wounds on his legs will heal then he will train legs

Here's what you don't understand

To achieve my level of leanness and conditioning you would have to lose a good 15-20 pounds

Don't believe me ask ro and joe
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: Griffith on June 02, 2024, 03:28:42 AM
Winstrol dries the joints. Not good for joint health.
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: Van_Bilderass on June 02, 2024, 08:35:14 AM
Winstrol dries the joints. Not good for joint health.

Ironically it has been trialed for arthritis.

There's a connection between Winstrol and joint pain. But at the same time a lot is due to people reading about it, and imagining pains.
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: bhank on June 02, 2024, 02:37:00 PM
Here's what you don't understand

To achieve my level of leanness and conditioning you would have to lose a good 15-20 pounds

Don't believe me ask ro and joe

What I don't understand lol being lean does not count when you are 160lbs having a 28 inch waist does not count when you have no abs and 15 inch arms.

Do you really think you are on my level? I am feeling pretty lean today.  Can you throw up a front double for comparison?
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: joswift on June 02, 2024, 03:01:30 PM
What I don't understand lol being lean does not count when you are 160lbs having a 28 inch waist does not count when you have no abs and 15 inch arms.

Do you really think you are on my level? I am feeling pretty lean today.  Can you throw up a front double for comparison?
Fucks sake hes back again like nothings happened.

a slight from the forums preying mantis has him on full defense mode.
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: dj181 on June 02, 2024, 03:19:30 PM
What I don't understand lol being lean does not count when you are 160lbs having a 28 inch waist does not count when you have no abs and 15 inch arms.

Do you really think you are on my level? I am feeling pretty lean today.  Can you throw up a front double for comparison?

I'm leaner and drier than you

Yep you'd have to lose 15-20 to be truly stage ready just ask jo and ro

And I already said a gazillion times I'm ok weighing 160-165

I don't have any need or desire to weigh more I just do not care bout being big, it's others like you who try to pin that shit upon me

I do not have genetics for size and that is fine by me I really don't care and I accept it fully no problems
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: bhank on June 02, 2024, 05:26:28 PM
I'm leaner and drier than you

Yep you'd have to lose 15-20 to be truly stage ready just ask jo and ro

And I already said a gazillion times I'm ok weighing 160-165

I don't have any need or desire to weigh more I just do not care bout being big, it's others like you who try to pin that shit upon me

I do not have genetics for size and that is fine by me I really don't care and I accept it fully no problems

That is your front double????? I am just as lean as you right now and 50lbs plus heavier dumbass? Ask Jo or Ro? Here is an idea put up your front double and let’s ask the board? How are you taking gear to be 160lbs your midsection just looks depleted you have no ab development at all. Do you think you  are stage ready?? I am leaner than I was when I won on stage someplace you will never go much less win because you are 160lbs with 15 inch arms. But keep telling me what I dont understand about your superior development lol
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: bhank on June 02, 2024, 05:39:46 PM
How about a side chest can we see that one? Or just zoomed in shots of shriveled stomach? Like you want to talk shit post up your side chest this is mine today do I not look lean enough?
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: bhank on June 02, 2024, 05:41:59 PM
You and Joe are always talking About your triceps claiming I don’t Have a tricep right I am fat with no triceps? Let’s see your side tricep without a shirt?
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: bhank on June 02, 2024, 05:49:53 PM

Board
Why do you take so many pics what is wrong with you?

Also the Board
You need to practice your posing if you want to go to Nationals


Which is it????
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: BigRo on June 02, 2024, 05:51:20 PM
Board
Why do you take so many pics what is wrong with you?

Also the Board
You need to practice your posing if you want to go to Nationals


Which is it????

You look flat.
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: bhank on June 02, 2024, 05:52:49 PM
You look flat.

I have been low carb for about a week but yeah this is what 210ish looks like the weight class is 209. I could try to carb up after weigh ins but overdid that last time. Really would like a year to train and get fat but feel like I could try classic this summer at the end and then try to bulk back to 225 heavyweight for next summer
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: BigRo on June 02, 2024, 05:56:11 PM
I have been low carb for about a week but yeah this is what 210ish looks like the weight class is 209. I could try to carb up after weigh ins but overdid that last time. Really would like a year to train and get fat but feel like I could try classic this summer at the end and then try to bulk back to 225 heavyweight for next summer

When is the summer comp?
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: bhank on June 02, 2024, 06:40:51 PM
Sept is Armed Forces Nationals that is what I am maybe thinking

But I would like to know which mandatory DJ seems to think he is winning vs me since he feels he is contest ready and I am 15-20lbs off because what he shared doesn't look like any kind of mandatory in any division
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: keanu on June 02, 2024, 08:40:20 PM
Dj's ab shot there, I just don't see the crisp definition. I haven't seen it in any pics. Around 8 percent sure but not shreded. At 160lbs how can a guy around 5 ft 10 on gear not be ripped ? Just pump some light weights if you just want to be ripped.
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: joswift on June 02, 2024, 09:37:10 PM
(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=692735.0;attach=1510684;image)

the dash of downs is evident in this shot
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: joswift on June 02, 2024, 09:38:53 PM
I have been low carb for about a week but yeah this is what 210ish looks like the weight class is 209. I could try to carb up after weigh ins but overdid that last time. Really would like a year to train and get fat but feel like I could try classic this summer at the end and then try to bulk back to 225 heavyweight for next summer

you claim its impossible for you to get fat yet you have a lard ass onstage or was it your underpants bunching up around your shredded glutes?
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: bhank on June 03, 2024, 02:54:49 AM
I can’t believe you people are still trying to claim I am fat

Those pics were mid day this is right now. I am 20lbs overweight??? I am not dry and lean?

Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: joswift on June 03, 2024, 03:14:50 AM
I can’t believe you people are still trying to claim I am fat

Those pics were mid day this is right now. I am 20lbs overweight??? I am not dry and lean?
20lb over stage weight, yes, yes you are.
You looked like that in your pre-contest selfies and we all know what you looked like onstage.

Stop being fucking delusional about how conditioned you are.

your fat fucking face is 4lb over
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: bhank on June 03, 2024, 03:21:14 AM
20lb over stage weight, yes, yes you are.
You looked like that in your pre-contest selfies and we all know what you looked like onstage.

Stop being fucking delusional about how conditioned you are.

your fat fucking face is 4lb over

I am about 10lbs lighter than my evening show stage weight this morning. Pretending I am not diced just proves you are a hater. I am absolutely in better condition than when I won on stage right now. Also again I looked good on stage. I am not the one timing the pics luckily the judges see you moving and fully flexed not just a couple mistimed still pics.

But the Cup is in the past I already won that show. I am concerned with my condition now and my next show. Nationals are in Sept I plan to come in about 10lbs lighter than the Cup. Aka what I weigh right fucking now. I was 208lbs this am. The weight class is 209lbs. I just need to not pig out after prejudging and drop water the night before instead of loading it with my carbs easy fix. I am right where I need to be 3 months out.

Calling me fat is just nonsense and you know it. You are mad because after your show you went right back to being 230lbs of soft shit and I am more diced than ever
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: joswift on June 03, 2024, 03:27:02 AM
I am about 10lbs lighter than my evening show stage weight this morning. Pretending I am not diced just proves you are a hater. I am absolutely in better condition than when I won on stage right now. Also again I looked good on stage. I am not the one timing the pics luckily the judges see you moving and fully flexed not just a couple mistimed still pics.

But the Cup is in the past I already won that show. I am concerned with my condition now and my next show. Nationals are in Sept I plan to come in about 10lbs lighter than the Cup. Aka what I weigh right fucking now. I was 208lbs this am. The weight class is 209lbs. I just need to not pig out after prejudging and drop water the night before instead of loading it with my carbs easy fix. I am right where I need to be 3 months out.
and this is why you will never be stage ready in the sense that everyone else interprets it.

You wont listen and you think you are always right.

You dont even diet properly you fucking idiot
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: bhank on June 03, 2024, 03:38:13 AM
and this is why you will never be stage ready in the sense that everyone else interprets it.

You wont listen and you think you are always right.

You dont even diet properly you fucking idiot

I am stage ready right this moment. I would win a state level show right now. I would place well at nationals in my class right now. However yeah I plan to cut up a little bit more if I decide to go this year. I want to win but again have to move between now and then so will see how it goes.
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: dj181 on June 03, 2024, 06:56:21 AM
Dj's ab shot there, I just don't see the crisp definition. I haven't seen it in any pics. Around 8 percent sure but not shreded. At 160lbs how can a guy around 5 ft 10 on gear not be ripped ? Just pump some light weights if you just want to be ripped.

Like I said before my phone camera is just awful

I have spider veins all over my abs intercostals and my skin is paper thin there, but this goddamn shitty ass camera just won't pick them up it's such a pity
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: dj181 on June 03, 2024, 06:58:32 AM
20lb over stage weight, yes, yes you are.
You looked like that in your pre-contest selfies and we all know what you looked like onstage.

Stop being fucking delusional about how conditioned you are.

your fat fucking face is 4lb over

Like I said 15-20 pounds away from being truly stage ready
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: bhank on June 03, 2024, 07:17:58 AM
Like I said before my phone camera is just awful

I have spider veins all over my abs intercostals and my skin is paper thin there, but this goddamn shitty ass camera just won't pick them up it's such a pity

So now your phone is the reason you cant take a front double or a side chest or a side tricep shot? You don't think I have veins everywhere? You look like a fucking meth addict

And yeah my fucking midsection is better than yours despite being 50lbs heavier look at my obliques and look at yours idiot and you dont even have any ab development but come on now you called me out Jeff claims you would beat me in a show. You claim Jeff and Ro can verify this so I want to know which mandatory are you winning? Lets see it
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: bhank on June 03, 2024, 07:19:15 AM
Like I said 15-20 pounds away from being truly stage ready

And you are stage ready by all means show us your front double or side chest or side tricep or is your camera not working all of a sudden?

Tell me what pose do you think you would win if we did a mandatory comparison? Can we see that one?
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: bhank on June 03, 2024, 07:42:01 AM
and this is why you will never be stage ready in the sense that everyone else interprets it.

You wont listen and you think you are always right.

You dont even diet properly you fucking idiot

My core is better than yours was on stage right now. And I am not doing a show today
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: joswift on June 03, 2024, 07:46:00 AM
(https://contests.npcnewsonline.com/images/contests/3122/large/15609665.jpg)
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: webstar on June 03, 2024, 07:49:39 AM
Board
Why do you take so many pics what is wrong with you?

Also the Board
You need to practice your posing if you want to go to Nationals


Which is it????

It's mostly, you need to train legs, diet, come off all drugs, give up bodybuilding etc etc.
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: bhank on June 03, 2024, 08:26:13 AM
It's mostly, you need to train legs, diet, come off all drugs, give up bodybuilding etc etc.

I train legs every week. Prior to the show I was training them twice a week. Maybe you should start training you know anything at all?
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: bhank on June 03, 2024, 08:27:28 AM
(https://contests.npcnewsonline.com/images/contests/3122/large/15609665.jpg)

I really don't look bad there but great for a comparison. I am leaner now or well at least drier. I carb loaded with fluids for the show. Coach said I should have carb loaded without fluids. That is a big take away from coach. I also then pigged out on a bacon cheeseburger coke and fries for lunch after prejudging plus more carbs and water all the online pics are from the evening show.

Also I am a legit 7-10lbs or more lighter in todays morning pic than I was on stage at that evening show. I was probably 215-216 plus on stage in that pic. I was 208 this am. For nationals I could go as low as 200 but probably 209 and just not drink too much fluids and crap after weigh ins. I am just going to keep eating clean and training and see where my physique and life is when it gets a little closer.

But fuck yeah I am strikng distance for a show
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: joswift on June 03, 2024, 08:34:45 AM
I really don't look bad there but great for a comparison. I am leaner now or well at least drier. I carb loaded with fluids for the show. Coach said I should have carb loaded without fluids. That is a big take away from coach. I also then pigged out on a bacon cheeseburger coke and fries for lunch after prejudging plus more carbs and water all the online pics are from the evening show.

he looks exactly the same, its just not a bathroom mirror selfie sharpened photo Brian style selfie

he never changes, contest not contest, you have just regressed over the alst 4 years
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: bhank on June 03, 2024, 08:40:13 AM
he looks exactly the same, its just not a bathroom mirror selfie sharpened photo Brian style selfie

he never changes, contest not contest, you have just regressed over the alst 4 years

Also I am a legit 7-10lbs or more lighter in todays morning pic than I was on stage at that evening show. I was probably 215-216 plus on stage in that pic. I was 208 this am. For nationals I could go as low as 200 but probably 209 and just not drink too much fluids and crap after weigh ins. I am just going to keep eating clean and training and see where my physique and life is when it gets a little closer.

But fuck yeah I am strikng distance for a show

Anyone here who claims I am fat or out of shape is just a hater. Do I need bigger legs? Fuck yes. Would a bigger back be nice sure. Do I have enough to be competitive though? I think I do. Am I lean enough? I am certainly close.

Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: joswift on June 03, 2024, 08:46:16 AM
Also I am a legit 7-10lbs or more lighter in todays morning pic than I was on stage at that evening show. I was probably 215-216 plus on stage in that pic. I was 208 this am. For nationals I could go as low as 200 but probably 209 and just not drink too much fluids and crap after weigh ins. I am just going to keep eating clean and training and see where my physique and life is when it gets a little closer.

But fuck yeah I am strikng distance for a show

Anyone here who claims I am fat or out of shape is just a hater. Do I need bigger legs? Fuck yes. Would a bigger back be nice sure. Do I have enough to be competitive though? I think I do. Am I lean enough? I am certainly close.
still 20lb over a real stage weight

You carry on believing otherwise then we can all laugh again after your next show
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: Van_Bilderass on June 03, 2024, 09:11:20 AM

Like everyone has said, there's a certain standard wrt leanness and the judges won't even consider you unless you're there. bhank should keep dieting now to see how hard he can get, fuck the "shrink," you can easily fill out again in a couple of weeks. From there a cautious off season then prep hard.

What do you guys think, could bhank be significantly better if he listened to instruction? I think so, I think he can achieve a crazy level of leanness if he wants to, but it's a mindfuck.

No getting off GH ever in the off-season. Little clen all the time in the off-season or at least intermettently. Others have made the point that the body adjusts to clen sides over time, can be run without THAT much risk, plus it's slightly anabolic.

If you look at today's best, they all stay crazy lean, they are just mostly bloated, tes there is some fat but it's not much. I think it's all this very structured eating everyone year round nowadays.
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: joswift on June 03, 2024, 09:14:24 AM
Like everyone has said, there's a certain standard wrt leanness and the judges won't even consider you unless you're there. bhank should keep dieting now to see how hard he can get, fuck the "shrink," you can easily fill out again in a couple of weeks. From there a cautious off season then prep hard.

What do you guys think, could bhank be significantly better if he listened to instruction? I think so, I think he can achieve a crazy level of leanness if he wants to, but it's a mindfuck.

No getting off GH ever in the off-season. Little clen all the time in the off-season or at least intermettently. Others have made the point that the body adjusts to clen sides over time, can be run without THAT much risk, plus it's slightly anabolic.

If you look at today's best, they all stay crazy lean, they are just mostly bloated, tes there is some fat but it's not much. I think it's all this very structured eating everyone year round nowadays.
His structure will always hold him back, he will never get shredded because he has no work ethic.
His life has been one easy ride from start to finish
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: dj181 on June 03, 2024, 09:19:48 AM
Like everyone has said, there's a certain standard wrt leanness and the judges won't even consider you unless you're there. bhank should keep dieting now to see how hard he can get, fuck the "shrink," you can easily fill out again in a couple of weeks. From there a cautious off season then prep hard.

What do you guys think, could bhank be significantly better if he listened to instruction? I think so, I think he can achieve a crazy level of leanness if he wants to, but it's a mindfuck.

No getting off GH ever in the off-season. Little clen all the time in the off-season or at least intermettently. Others have made the point that the body adjusts to clen sides over time, can be run without THAT much risk, plus it's slightly anabolic.

If you look at today's best, they all stay crazy lean, they are just mostly bloated, tes there is some fat but it's not much. I think it's all this very structured eating everyone year round nowadays.

They stay lean but not crazy lean

Big Paul is taking 12 weeks to prep if he was crazy lean he could prep in 3-4 weeks max

Doc todd lee is also lean but not crazy lean and his arm separation and detail sucks ass he does have very good legs though I'll give him that

Vigorous Steve supposedly gained 6 kg in 5 weeks while dropping body fat little bit so he claims his actual muscle  gain was 7-8 kg in 5 weeks all coming from his addition of tren ace at 25 mgs a week, yep that's right 25 mgs a week not a day

And the rest of his stack was 150 test and 70 var very very impressive
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: Van_Bilderass on June 03, 2024, 09:28:26 AM
They stay lean but not crazy lean

Big Paul is taking 12 weeks to prep if he was crazy lean he could prep in 3-4 weeks max

Doc todd lee is also lean but not crazy lean and his arm separation and detail sucks ass he does have very good legs though I'll give him that

Vigorous Steve supposedly gained 6 kg in 5 weeks while dropping body fat little bit so he claims his actual muscle  gain was 7-8 kg in 5 weeks all coming from his addition of tren ace at 25 mgs a week, yep that's right 25 mgs a week not a day

And the rest of his stack was 150 test and 70 var very very impressive

Again, "Vig Steve," I'll be damned lol, has done heavy shit in the past and been much bigger so those doses might not mean anything, that's probably 90% water too, not that I know, by suspect so. At some point Vig Steve might gain 6lbs of lean off creatine and increased carbs. See what I mean?

I think he's done like 2.5 grams of test  with other shit on top before, no?
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: dj181 on June 03, 2024, 09:33:10 AM
Again, "Vig Steve," I'll be damned lol, has done heavy shit in the past and been much bigger so those doses might not mean anything, that's probably 90% water too, not that I know, by suspect so. At some point Vig Steve might gain 6lbs of lean off creatine and increased carbs. See what I mean?

I think he's done like 2.5 grams of test  with other shit on top before, no?

Yep he's done 2.5 grams of test and his highest leanish weight was like 115-120 kg and he's 5'9"
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: bhank on June 03, 2024, 09:36:42 AM
Like everyone has said, there's a certain standard wrt leanness and the judges won't even consider you unless you're there. bhank should keep dieting now to see how hard he can get, fuck the "shrink," you can easily fill out again in a couple of weeks. From there a cautious off season then prep hard.

What do you guys think, could bhank be significantly better if he listened to instruction? I think so, I think he can achieve a crazy level of leanness if he wants to, but it's a mindfuck.

No getting off GH ever in the off-season. Little clen all the time in the off-season or at least intermettently. Others have made the point that the body adjusts to clen sides over time, can be run without THAT much risk, plus it's slightly anabolic.

If you look at today's best, they all stay crazy lean, they are just mostly bloated, tes there is some fat but it's not much. I think it's all this very structured eating everyone year round nowadays.

I can get medically lean it is not difficult just a question of do I want to do that. I may continue to lean out a little more I may not. But yeah absolutely I am capable of coming in tighter for nationals. I do not need clen or any stimulants just cut carbs.

However I am more excited to get some new equipment train and get big than I am to watch my carbs all summer will see where things are as it gets closer.
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: joswift on June 03, 2024, 09:38:12 AM
"medically lean"

 ::)
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: Van_Bilderass on June 03, 2024, 09:59:29 AM
I do not need clen or any stimulants just cut carbs.



But why leave any advantage on the table? ;D I mean at minimum clen for the last 2 weekspreferably with a little ephedrine. Then a sprinkle of T3 at the end just so you get to "high normal." Unless you have bad heart, then leave it.

I think you absolutely should get leaner now, then set a maximum acceptable fat% for off-season. Easy for me to say on tve sidelines but conditioning really is deciding, if fat loss is easy for you why not maximize that advantage. Like in a bigger class they just scan the competitors for just a few seconds and immediately eliminate the soft ones.
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: bhank on June 03, 2024, 11:04:19 AM
But why leave any advantage on the table? ;D I mean at minimum clen for the last 2 weekspreferably with a little ephedrine. Then a sprinkle of T3 at the end just so you get to "high normal." Unless you have bad heart, then leave it.

I think you absolutely should get leaner now, then set a maximum acceptable fat% for off-season. Easy for me to say on tve sidelines but conditioning really is deciding, if fat loss is easy for you why not maximize that advantage. Like in a bigger class they just scan the competitors for just a few seconds and immediately eliminate the soft ones.

I don't think clen or T3 are an advantage. I can get super lean without them just reducing my calories to 3k a day. I am not even monitoring my calories or macros right now and I am in better shape than the 215 that won on stage. Why would I take things that are going to strip muscle off me my metabolism is more than fast enough.

I may not win at Nationals but I absolutely will be just as lean as anyone else in my class. The idea is not to just get as lean as possible but to maximize the balance between size and leanness given the weight class restrictions. I can win at 210lbs the weigh class limit. I have already proven that. I do not need to drop any lower. I will bring the exact same thing to stage with 8lbs less of water by not drinking that day and the evening prior that is it.

I think that will be enough to make me competitive at Nationals. I am not going to win dropping to 190lbs losing muscle trying to be 0% bodyfat and dehydrated there is no point in doing that. I will come in at a comfortable and full 210lbs. 
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: joswift on June 03, 2024, 11:17:19 AM
(https://i.imgflip.com/4me3ke.jpg)
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: IroNat on June 03, 2024, 02:00:05 PM
Bhanky is always just a few days out.
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: Van_Bilderass on June 03, 2024, 02:08:59 PM
I don't think clen or T3 are an advantage. I can get super lean without them just reducing my calories to 3k a day. I am not even monitoring my calories or macros right now and I am in better shape than the 215 that won on stage. Why would I take things that are going to strip muscle off me my metabolism is more than fast enough.

I may not win at Nationals but I absolutely will be just as lean as anyone else in my class. The idea is not to just get as lean as possible but to maximize the balance between size and leanness given the weight class restrictions. I can win at 210lbs the weigh class limit. I have already proven that. I do not need to drop any lower. I will bring the exact same thing to stage with 8lbs less of water by not drinking that day and the evening prior that is it.

I think that will be enough to make me competitive at Nationals. I am not going to win dropping to 190lbs losing muscle trying to be 0% bodyfat and dehydrated there is no point in doing that. I will come in at a comfortable and full 210lbs.

The leaner guy [nearly] always wins, that's just a fact.

Imagine being the most ripped in your class, that would bring you up several placings just by itself. Everyone is impressed with the ripped guy even if he is ugly otherwise.

Clen is not going to waste muscle, it will increase it slightly, after all it's used to bulk up animals.

BTW, just limiting water does not guarantee a harder looking physique, could go the other way, especially if there is fat left.
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: bhank on June 03, 2024, 02:16:48 PM
The leaner guy [nearly] always wins, that's just a fact.

Imagine being the most ripped in your class, that would bring you up several placings just by itself. Everyone is impressed with the ripped guy even if he is ugly otherwise.

Clen is not going to waste muscle, it will increase it slightly, after all it's used to bulk up animals.

BTW, just limiting water does not guarantee a harder looking physique, could go the other way, especially if there is fat left.

Not true at all if DJ shows up he may be one of the leanest guys but he isn't going to win a fucking thing. I will cut weight to the level of the show and competition. I am not going to do more just to starve myself for fun. I am lean enough for masters physique that is not the issue. I need to peak properly work on my posing and get the legs and abs to pop a little more on stage. I know what I did wrong last time and I know how to fix it. 

But also yeah I need a pec repair to actually win master nationals and I can't do that before master nationals so no point starving myself if I can't win with one pec anyway. I can go compete get the exp and be better prepared for next year

And yeah I would like a year to train squats once I get my rack. However my upper body is stage ready right now. I do not have an upper body size or condition issue for master classic physique. Legs are the only issue but twice a week a few weeks out will make them pop.

My upper body size and condition like it or not is good right now no need to drop a damn ounce
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: joswift on June 03, 2024, 03:25:08 PM
Not true at all if DJ shows up he may be one of the leanest guys but he isn't going to win a fucking thing. I will cut weight to the level of the show and competition. I am not going to do more just to starve myself for fun. I am lean enough for masters physique that is not the issue. I need to peak properly work on my posing and get the legs and abs to pop a little more on stage. I know what I did wrong last time and I know how to fix it. 

But also yeah I need a pec repair to actually win master nationals and I can't do that before master nationals so no point starving myself if I can't win with one pec anyway. I can go compete get the exp and be better prepared for next year

And yeah I would like a year to train squats once I get my rack. However my upper body is stage ready right now. I do not have an upper body size or condition issue for master classic physique. Legs are the only issue but twice a week a few weeks out will make them pop.

My upper body size and condition like it or not is good right now no need to drop a damn ounce

heres your class Brian
Place yourself in that line up size and condition wise
(https://contests.npcnewsonline.com/images/contests/2659/large/13294607.jpg)
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: bhank on June 03, 2024, 03:30:14 PM
heres your class Brian
Place yourself in that line up size and condition wise
(https://contests.npcnewsonline.com/images/contests/2659/large/13294607.jpg)

Why isn't that what the judges are going to do when I get there? As far as upper body yeah I can hang with any of them. As far as legs yeah some of them have me beat but I am not standing on stage today. I think I would be top 3 in that lineup if I peaked properly I could win it. But also that is not my lineup or even the contest I am looking at this year. That is next years contest. This year I am looking at Armed Forces Nationals in Sept I expect 3-5 guys in my class. I would like to win. But I may just get a pec surgery in July and wait until next year. I have not decided yet. 
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: joswift on June 03, 2024, 09:36:04 PM
they all have you beat by a country mile and yeah, you may wait until next year if you find out there are more than 3 entering when you trawl instgaram and FB looking for possible competitors.

Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: Van_Bilderass on June 03, 2024, 10:13:00 PM
Not true at all if DJ shows up he may be one of the leanest guys but he isn't going to win a fucking thing.

You and dj would obviously be in different classes.

In a show where there is a certain standard and the guys who aren't up to that standard get cut immediately, even if they are clearly the best bodybuilder otherwise. That's just the way it goes.

You weren't at that standard last time, I'm talking compared to all the other classes people have posted here. Your opponents weren't at that standard either.

I'm not dissin you, it's well meaning opinion. Cuts you can do something about cuts, like I said if you were the guy with the most shredded glutes in the line-up you're almost guaranteed to be iin the running. It let's the judges know you gave it your all and were wiilling to go places where the others weren't. That's something I think you could probably do. Let's say you had ripped glutes at a month out but were otherwise eithered away. That's an easy fix, just up your carbs with some control for a whole month and regain the mass. If you truly were the most conditioned guy everyone here would give you props no matter what they thought of you otherwise. And you can't do anything about your muscle bellies and structure, conditioning you can. Any lost "muscle" over say a couple of months is quickly regained, almost overnight. Say you went to 190 at a month out, didn't like it, in that situation you might be able to actually gain 20lbs and the drugs would make it so you might retain almost the same cuts but at a higher bodyweight.
Any competitor here disagree with this?

I know very well what you're going to do, I have no illusions, but I said it just because  :D 8) Thought it would be interesting if a bunch of top coaches gave you an assessment on what you could do to improve.
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: pamith on June 04, 2024, 12:41:01 AM
Hahaha

Goal is to get a 28 inch waist first then add size while keeping the waist @ 28 inches

Key is to add calories wisely and not gorge

According to doctor Scott Stevenson deca and winny are the most anabolic compounds mg per mg
Why not just be natty?
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: joswift on June 04, 2024, 12:44:49 AM
You and dj would obviously be in different classes.

In a show where there is a certain standard and the guys who aren't up to that standard get cut immediately, even if they are clearly the best bodybuilder otherwise. That's just the way it goes.

You weren't at that standard last time, I'm talking compared to all the other classes people have posted here. Your opponents weren't at that standard either.

I'm not dissin you, it's well meaning opinion. Cuts you can do something about cuts, like I said if you were the guy with the most shredded glutes in the line-up you're almost guaranteed to be iin the running. It let's the judges know you gave it your all and were wiilling to go places where the others weren't. That's something I think you could probably do. Let's say you had ripped glutes at a month out but were otherwise eithered away. That's an easy fix, just up your carbs with some control for a whole month and regain the mass. If you truly were the most conditioned guy everyone here would give you props no matter what they thought of you otherwise. And you can't do anything about your muscle bellies and structure, conditioning you can. Any lost "muscle" over say a couple of months is quickly regained, almost overnight. Say you went to 190 at a month out, didn't like it, in that situation you might be able to actually gain 20lbs and the drugs would make it so you might retain almost the same cuts but at a higher bodyweight.
Any competitor here disagree with this?

I know very well what you're going to do, I have no illusions, but I said it just because  :D 8) Thought it would be interesting if a bunch of top coaches gave you an assessment on what you could do to improve.
Dont waste your time, that well meaning thought out post will just put you on his "shit list"
Guys a kunt
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: dj181 on June 04, 2024, 04:01:09 AM
Why not just be natty?

Bodyweight just like measurements do not tell the whole story

It's the look that matters and if one is the same bodyweight at the same body fat on gear and off gear or clean the look on gear is much different and better (better shape and more fullness) than the clean look again at the same bodyweight body fat
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: bhank on June 04, 2024, 04:06:12 AM
Like everyone has said, there's a certain standard wrt leanness and the judges won't even consider you unless you're there. bhank should keep dieting now to see how hard he can get, fuck the "shrink," you can easily fill out again in a couple of weeks. From there a cautious off season then prep hard.

What do you guys think, could bhank be significantly better if he listened to instruction? I think so, I think he can achieve a crazy level of leanness if he wants to, but it's a mindfuck.

No getting off GH ever in the off-season. Little clen all the time in the off-season or at least intermettently. Others have made the point that the body adjusts to clen sides over time, can be run without THAT much risk, plus it's slightly anabolic.

If you look at today's best, they all stay crazy lean, they are just mostly bloated, tes there is some fat but it's not much. I think it's all this very structured eating everyone year round nowadays.

No over 40 classic physique competitors have shredded glutes not even the guys winning pro cards not even the pros the fuck are you talking about. The open guys didn’t either.

This is right now waking up at 208lbs I absolutely do not need to drop to 190lbs. Although I would have shredded glutes before I got to 190. I am absolutely lean enough the other competitors were not this lean and dry and I am talking the guys who won the open not my class

I am 1lb under the weight limit and as lean as anyone is going to be

I know I was not this tight at the evening show 2 months ago so what I am now and will be tighter at nationals but think another 5lbs not 20lbs
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: bhank on June 04, 2024, 04:46:01 AM
You and dj would obviously be in different classes.

In a show where there is a certain standard and the guys who aren't up to that standard get cut immediately, even if they are clearly the best bodybuilder otherwise. That's just the way it goes.

You weren't at that standard last time, I'm talking compared to all the other classes people have posted here. Your opponents weren't at that standard either.

I'm not dissin you, it's well meaning opinion. Cuts you can do something about cuts, like I said if you were the guy with the most shredded glutes in the line-up you're almost guaranteed to be iin the running. It let's the judges know you gave it your all and were wiilling to go places where the others weren't. That's something I think you could probably do. Let's say you had ripped glutes at a month out but were otherwise eithered away. That's an easy fix, just up your carbs with some control for a whole month and regain the mass. If you truly were the most conditioned guy everyone here would give you props no matter what they thought of you otherwise. And you can't do anything about your muscle bellies and structure, conditioning you can. Any lost "muscle" over say a couple of months is quickly regained, almost overnight. Say you went to 190 at a month out, didn't like it, in that situation you might be able to actually gain 20lbs and the drugs would make it so you might retain almost the same cuts but at a higher bodyweight.
Any competitor here disagree with this?

I know very well what you're going to do, I have no illusions, but I said it just because  :D 8) Thought it would be interesting if a bunch of top coaches gave you an assessment on what you could do to improve.

Wtf are they going to tell me that I don't already know come in tighter? Add size to my legs? No shit The weight class is 209lbs there is only so much to work with I am at the limit right now.  I am also 3 months out. All I need to do is consistently train for 3 months and show up.
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: keanu on June 04, 2024, 05:30:13 AM
Why isn't that what the judges are going to do when I get there? As far as upper body yeah I can hang with any of them. As far as legs  I I would be top 3 in that lineup if I peaked properly I could win it.
   You would be dead last in that line up B.  Last by a mile. You can hang with them on biceps, and forearms. Legs, back, chest....you are doomed.
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: bhank on June 04, 2024, 05:39:59 AM
   You would be dead last in that line up B.  Last by a mile. You can hang with then on biceps, and forearms. Legs, back, chest....you are doomed.

I mean look everyone is entitled to their opinion. That show is in July I am not planning to compete in July. The show I am looking at is mid-September that is 3 months away. I am on weight and in condition now. I would like to think the next 3 months I can bring things up a little as yeah, I will train harder and watch my diet more as it gets closer. I really have been taking it easy since the show giving ligaments and tendons and mind a chance to reset before going again.

I will say I pulled out the deadlift and squat stuff yesterday from the garage as weather has improved. I did deadlifts yesterday. I plan to squat today. I had planned to wait until I moved to get back into squats but can't wait any longer. If I consistently train for 3 months I will be a little better come September.

Maybe I don't win maybe I do but I do plan to come in tighter than last time simply by not stuffing my face with worry the last 24 hours. Regardless though it motivates me to train a little more. You can all say I am going to be last thats fine everyone said that last time then I won and they complained about the level of competition.

Look I know my level if I can only win a regional level NPC Show that's still pretty good. But I won the regional show I have earned the right to try a bigger National show.

I would like to find a big lineup of great over 40 competitors. I am not finding that at state level shows. I have been looking at lots of them and the depth and quality of competition just isn't there. You have to go to Nationals as a Master to get good competition so that is what I plan to do.
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: joswift on June 04, 2024, 07:04:42 AM
I mean look everyone is entitled to their opinion. That show is in July I am not planning to compete in July. The show I am looking at is mid-September that is 3 months away. I am on weight and in condition now. I would like to think the next 3 months I can bring things up a little as yeah, I will train harder and watch my diet more as it gets closer. I really have been taking it easy since the show giving ligaments and tendons and mind a chance to reset before going again.

I will say I pulled out the deadlift and squat stuff yesterday from the garage as weather has improved. I did deadlifts yesterday. I plan to squat today. I had planned to wait until I moved to get back into squats but can't wait any longer. If I consistently train for 3 months I will be a little better come September.

Maybe I don't win maybe I do but I do plan to come in tighter than last time simply by not stuffing my face with worry the last 24 hours. Regardless though it motivates me to train a little more. You can all say I am going to be last thats fine everyone said that last time then I won and they complained about the level of competition.

Look I know my level if I can only win a regional level NPC Show that's still pretty good. But I won the regional show I have earned the right to try a bigger National show.

I would like to find a big lineup of great over 40 competitors. I am not finding that at state level shows. I have been looking at lots of them and the depth and quality of competition just isn't there. You have to go to Nationals as a Master to get good competition so that is what I plan to do.

Bearing in mind all you have done is regress over the last 4 years how do you plan on improving in 3 months?
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: keanu on June 04, 2024, 07:35:37 AM
I mean look everyone is entitled to their opinion. That show is in July I am not planning to compete in July. The show I am looking at is mid-September that is 3 months away. I am on weight and in condition now. I would like to think the next 3 months I can bring things up a little as yeah, I will train harder and watch my diet more as it gets closer. I really have been taking it easy since the show giving ligaments and tendons and mind a chance to reset before going again.

I will say I pulled out the deadlift and squat stuff yesterday from the garage as weather has improved. I did deadlifts yesterday. I plan to squat today. I had planned to wait until I moved to get back into squats but can't wait any longer. If I consistently train for 3 months I will be a little better come September.

Maybe I don't win maybe I do but I do plan to come in tighter than last time simply by not stuffing my face with worry the last 24 hours. Regardless though it motivates me to train a little more. You can all say I am going to be last thats fine everyone said that last time then I won and they complained about the level of competition.

Look I know my level if I can only win a regional level NPC Show that's still pretty good. But I won the regional show I have earned the right to try a bigger National show.

I would like to find a big lineup of great over 40 competitors. I am not finding that at state level shows. I have been looking at lots of them and the depth and quality of competition just isn't there. You have to go to Nationals as a Master to get good competition so that is what I plan to do.
  I get the mentality to keep on trucking and hope for a big improvement. A lot of bodybuilders have this mentality. Bodybuilding is all about genetics. You have maxed out. You can squat all day and deadlift all night but your body won't respond. It's been 30 years of training.  You've tried every training system, nutrition, and drug cocktail out there. No new muscle is getting built here. Accept it and just have fun with it. You're not a guy that will look good on stage.

It's like DJ thinking that the right roid cocktail will turn him into a ripped statue. It won't. 
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: joswift on June 04, 2024, 08:56:11 AM
Wtf are they going to tell me that I don't already know come in tighter? Add size to my legs? No shit The weight class is 209lbs there is only so much to work with I am at the limit right now.  I am also 3 months out. All I need to do is consistently train for 3 months and show up.

YOU .....ARE........20...... ...POUNDS........OVERWEI GHT.......FOR....THE.... .STAGE.......
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: Van_Bilderass on June 04, 2024, 10:45:33 AM
I'm not changing your mind bhank but you say no one has a ripped ass but you could get one easy. So that would set you apart even more, you could best everyone in one little thing.

joswift has posted tons of pics of older gentlemen with glute cuts from some of these shows. Some even shredded. It may be gay but it's also very impressive in a way.

I agree with joswift that you are about 20lbs of from "proper" conditioning. These guys hate your guts but they aren't lying in this instance. Like I said, if you were to hit a crazy level of leanness it would be very easy to pack on those 20lbs if it looked like "shit" like what competitors do after shows all the time. But I know I'm not changing anyone's mind so no need to reply, because you've made things clear 8)
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: joswift on June 04, 2024, 11:15:12 AM
I'm not changing your mind bhank but you say no one has a ripped ass but you could get one easy. So that would set you apart even more, you could best everyone in one little thing.

joswift has posted tons of pics of older gentlemen with glute cuts from some of these shows. Some even shredded. It may be gay but it's also very impressive in a way.

I agree with joswift that you are about 20lbs of from "proper" conditioning. These guys hate your guts but they aren't lying in this instance. Like I said, if you were to hit a crazy level of leanness it would be very easy to pack on those 20lbs if it looked like "shit" like what competitors do after shows all the time. But I know I'm not changing anyone's mind so no need to reply, because you've made things clear 8)

Last weekends over 55s NABBA Britain
(https://scontent-man2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/447492834_3234359413369154_648454288784433486_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=WLM0KD3AnqQQ7kNvgEPtKS4&_nc_ht=scontent-man2-1.xx&cb_e2o_trans=t&oh=00_AYAi4e7NsCD8Xyw0xYvkzFPGb2wn11eGnY8VfyOqZdxysA&oe=6665334B)
(https://scontent-man2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/447677904_3234359306702498_4508316592883098802_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=EjGbkfRHn-4Q7kNvgH3-2qM&_nc_ht=scontent-man2-1.xx&cb_e2o_trans=t&oh=00_AYAJwdZpRCMJr_Eed5-MTWcRR0I7l5cZtTrL6KHbBi_5eA&oe=66651A62)
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: 38 returns on June 04, 2024, 11:32:01 AM
Proper line up that mate

Did you go the north Wests? Was going to but had the kids!
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: joswift on June 04, 2024, 11:36:38 AM
Proper line up that mate

Did you go the north Wests? Was going to but had the kids!
Yes, good show, only problem was the competitors were on the same level as the audience, no stage

You couldnt see anyones legs because the Judges were sat in front

Johnny McKenna did a guest spot, hes huge at the moment, great guy as well, met him back in 2018 at the NW
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: joswift on June 04, 2024, 11:50:10 AM
(https://scontent-man2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/442020510_1828603940984100_6613556443534157627_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=IYJG2CQMBYwQ7kNvgE51hB7&_nc_ht=scontent-man2-1.xx&cb_e2o_trans=t&oh=03_Q7cD1QE3BaAbv2EB37JHeehHcfbhR5Oy9qKDTPVGW0gRWpuc4A&oe=6686B88C)
someone sent me this  ;D
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on June 04, 2024, 12:16:52 PM
Last weekends over 55s NABBA Britain
(https://scontent-man2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/447492834_3234359413369154_648454288784433486_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=WLM0KD3AnqQQ7kNvgEPtKS4&_nc_ht=scontent-man2-1.xx&cb_e2o_trans=t&oh=00_AYAi4e7NsCD8Xyw0xYvkzFPGb2wn11eGnY8VfyOqZdxysA&oe=6665334B)
(https://scontent-man2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/447677904_3234359306702498_4508316592883098802_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=EjGbkfRHn-4Q7kNvgH3-2qM&_nc_ht=scontent-man2-1.xx&cb_e2o_trans=t&oh=00_AYAJwdZpRCMJr_Eed5-MTWcRR0I7l5cZtTrL6KHbBi_5eA&oe=66651A62)

Very impressive
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: bhank on June 05, 2024, 06:09:41 AM
(https://scontent-man2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/442020510_1828603940984100_6613556443534157627_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=IYJG2CQMBYwQ7kNvgE51hB7&_nc_ht=scontent-man2-1.xx&cb_e2o_trans=t&oh=03_Q7cD1QE3BaAbv2EB37JHeehHcfbhR5Oy9qKDTPVGW0gRWpuc4A&oe=6686B88C)
someone sent me this  ;D

Oh look a pic comparing me not in the pose yeah that is a fair comparison. One thing I noticed not one of these guys is showing striated glutes in fact all their hamstrings look soft. I thought you guys claimed no one other than me ever stepped on a bodybuilding stage without striated glutes???
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: 38 returns on June 05, 2024, 06:13:38 AM
do you admit you look like dogs hit compared to them all?
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: joswift on June 05, 2024, 06:27:05 AM
Oh look a pic comparing me not in the pose yeah that is a fair comparison. One thing I noticed not one of these guys is showing striated glutes in fact all their hamstrings look soft. I thought you guys claimed no one other than me ever stepped on a bodybuilding stage without striated glutes???

You wouldnt get compared to those guys Brian
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: Van_Bilderass on June 05, 2024, 06:37:18 AM
Oh look a pic comparing me not in the pose yeah that is a fair comparison. One thing I noticed not one of these guys is showing striated glutes in fact all their hamstrings look soft. I thought you guys claimed no one other than me ever stepped on a bodybuilding stage without striated glutes???

I don't think anyone claimed that, but regardless, my thing was that could be something you could capitalize on since you get lean pretty easy.

These are far from the best joswift has posted. These guys are 55+, saw many others in much better conditioning.

Glute cuts aren't affected THAT much by last day manipulation, you just have to get rid of enough fat. Everyone always talks about how much water they drank but most of the time it's an excuse, or maybe some believe it.
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: joswift on June 05, 2024, 06:44:44 AM
I don't think anyone claimed that, but regardless, my thing was that could be something you could capitalize on since you get lean pretty easy.

These are far from the best joswift has posted. These guys are 55+, saw many others in much better conditioning.

Glute cuts aren't affected THAT much by last day manipulation, you just have to get rid of enough fat. Everyone always talks about how much water they drank but most of the time it's an excuse, or maybe some believe it.
Most of those guys are closer to 60
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: bhank on June 05, 2024, 07:07:56 AM
do you admit you look like dogs hit compared to them all?

Nope put me in the pose and compare it
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: 38 returns on June 05, 2024, 07:10:43 AM
you have to be kidding me?

can you not at least accept they look better than you?
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: bhank on June 05, 2024, 07:16:00 AM
I don't think anyone claimed that, but regardless, my thing was that could be something you could capitalize on since you get lean pretty easy.

These are far from the best joswift has posted. These guys are 55+, saw many others in much better conditioning.

Glute cuts aren't affected THAT much by last day manipulation, you just have to get rid of enough fat. Everyone always talks about how much water they drank but most of the time it's an excuse, or maybe some believe it.



2nd place at Masters Nationals last year. He looks pretty good but glutes are not exactly striated. Additionally I think I have the better back double from the waist up my arms are better. I think my back is bigger as well but hard to say from a pic. I am certainly not getting blown away. I can dial the hams in a little more easy fix nationals is worth a little dieting. But you guys act like I am not worthy to compete in Nationals then say the lineups are all garbage and not worth competing outside of Nationals. I can certainly compete and do well at Nationals
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: 38 returns on June 05, 2024, 07:55:28 AM
his bib embarrasses you Brian
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: joswift on June 05, 2024, 08:02:54 AM
(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=692735.0;attach=1511139;image)

(https://contests.npcnewsonline.com/images/contests/3122/large/15609634.jpg)

Not even the same ball park, its not even the same sport
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: bhank on June 05, 2024, 08:09:11 AM
(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=692735.0;attach=1511139;image)

(https://contests.npcnewsonline.com/images/contests/3122/large/15609634.jpg)

Not even the same ball park, its not even the same sport
 

Look at the biceps I am 100 miles ahead you make his pic small and my pic big so yeah smaller pic look like more detail make his the same size. Or better yet look at his arms they are flat on the top you can't even see either bicep both of mine peak on the rear double. I can get leaner he can't add 2 biceps

My arms are way better than this guy and he took 2nd

https://contests.npcnewsonline.com/contests/2023/npc_teen_collegiate__masters_national_championships/g9r2/anthony_bestic
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: joswift on June 05, 2024, 08:11:33 AM
 

Look at the biceps I am 100 miles ahead you make his pic small and my pic big so yeah smaller pic look like more detail make his the same size. Or better yet look at his arms they are flat on the top you can't even see either bicep both of mine peak on the rear double. I can get leaner he can't add 2 biceps

Lee haneys biceps werent all that great

You know Jack Shit about Bodybuilding
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: 38 returns on June 05, 2024, 08:16:56 AM
Birna he has you on

delts
triceps
lats
teres minor and major
infraspinatus
trapeze super middle lower
erector spine
hams
calves


I will give you bicep shape

he is also much more cut than you
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: Raymondo on June 05, 2024, 08:18:29 AM
 

Look at the biceps I am 100 miles ahead you make his pic small and my pic big so yeah smaller pic look like more detail make his the same size. Or better yet look at his arms they are flat on the top you can't even see either bicep both of mine peak on the rear double. I can get leaner he can't add 2 biceps

My arms are way better than this guy and he took 2nd

https://contests.npcnewsonline.com/contests/2023/npc_teen_collegiate__masters_national_championships/g9r2/anthony_bestic

Are you fucking blind? He has you on almost every body part.
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: bhank on June 05, 2024, 08:18:58 AM
He isn't exactly killing me on hamstrings either or calves

But biceps I am destroying him it's not even close his arms are flat on top even in his front doubles no biceps at all my arms are way bigger
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: 38 returns on June 05, 2024, 08:20:49 AM
yes he is

Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: bhank on June 05, 2024, 08:24:52 AM
You cant even see his biceps in his rear double and the crazy part is you cant see them in his front double either I can beat this guy and he took 2nd

Its not just one pic he has half a dozen front doubles posted he has no biceps at all

He also has an umbilical hernia

this guy took 2nd with 0 biceps and an umbilical hernia I can certainly compete

My upper body is winning this
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: bhank on June 05, 2024, 08:29:10 AM
Am I lying it looks like he had his biceps surgically removed

I can beat him in the back and front double he has no biceps
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: bhank on June 05, 2024, 08:36:27 AM
I am also winning the ab shot I can beat the guy who took 2nd. The guy who took first last year looked really good but again there are half a dozen guys and I would absolutely be competitive.

Maybe my legs are not up to bar but my condition and upper body would be 2nd place in last years lineup right now with no prep
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: 38 returns on June 05, 2024, 08:56:12 AM
Brian

he slaughters you on legs

you have him on biceps

he has you on pecs
triceps
delts
v taper
ab depth
symettry
condition
back he kills you on
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: joswift on June 05, 2024, 08:57:26 AM
You cant even see his biceps in his rear double and the crazy part is you cant see them in his front double either I can beat this guy and he took 2nd

Its not just one pic he has half a dozen front doubles posted he has no biceps at all

He also has an umbilical hernia

this guy took 2nd with 0 biceps and an umbilical hernia I can certainly compete

My upper body is winning this

Brian he absolutly destroys you, you are fucking deluded
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: Raymondo on June 05, 2024, 09:17:26 AM
Brian he absolutly destroys you, you are fucking deluded

It is 12 pm now in North Carolina. Brian woke up an hour ago and has already smoked the first bowl of the day.
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: bhank on June 05, 2024, 09:20:15 AM
Brian

he slaughters you on legs
Agree his quads are better

you have him on biceps
Agree

he has you on pecs
triceps No
delts no
v taper no
ab depth Absolutely not
symettry No
condition Lower body yes upper body no
back he kills you on No




But regardless as even you agree I beat him on biceps. Obviously, that is not the only thing judged but if I am beating him anywhere especially arms then I certainly belong in the lineup. This guy didn't take last he took 2nd at Nationals.
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: joswift on June 05, 2024, 09:28:39 AM
But regardless as even you agree I beat him on biceps. Obviously, that is not the only thing judged but if I am beating him anywhere especially arms then I certainly belong in the lineup. This guy didn't take last he took 2nd at Nationals.

a glazed doughnut with arms like Lee Priest would place dead last

Dont you get it?
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: IroNat on June 05, 2024, 12:17:58 PM
a glazed doughnut with arms like Lee Priest would place dead last

Dont you get it?

No, he doesn't.
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: 38 returns on June 05, 2024, 12:26:46 PM
But regardless as even you agree I beat him on biceps. Obviously, that is not the only thing judged but if I am beating him anywhere especially arms then I certainly belong in the lineup. This guy didn't take last he took 2nd at Nationals.

Brian its a physique contest

not a bicep contest


you are fucking simple
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: joswift on June 05, 2024, 01:21:17 PM
Brian its a physique contest

not a bicep contest


you are fucking simple
He even commented that BigRo didn't have a peak on his arm like he did.  ::)
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: Titus Pullo on June 05, 2024, 01:45:55 PM
He even commented that BigRo didn't have a peak on his arm like he did.  ::)

No shit?
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: Skeletor on June 05, 2024, 11:29:04 PM
Am I lying

Constantly.
Title: Re: Deca and winny is it dry?
Post by: joswift on June 06, 2024, 12:34:24 AM
You cant even see his biceps in his rear double and the crazy part is you cant see them in his front double either I can beat this guy and he took 2nd

Its not just one pic he has half a dozen front doubles posted he has no biceps at all

He also has an umbilical hernia

this guy took 2nd with 0 biceps and an umbilical hernia I can certainly compete

My upper body is winning this

Poor Brian still doesnt understand that the compulsory poses are designed so the judges can assess your overall proportions and development.

He thinks a front double biceps is just judging your fucking biceps.

Judges dont even take that much stock in biceps, if your biceps stand out in a FDB then you are fucked because you are totally lacking everywhere else.