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If so did it repair itself also, what takes more of a toll on your liver gear or alcohol?
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If so did it repair itself also, what takes more of a toll on your liver gear or alcohol?
I've read that the liver can repair itself. The kidneys are a lot more fragile.
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/cells-maintain-repair-liver-identified#:~:text=The%20liver%20has%20a%20unique,beyond%20the%20point%20of%20repair.
The liver has a unique capacity among organs to regenerate itself after damage. A liver can regrow to a normal size even after up to 90% of it has been removed. But the liver isn't invincible. Many diseases and exposures can harm it beyond the point of repair. Mar 9, 2021
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If so did it repair itself also, what takes more of a toll on your liver gear or alcohol?
Gear is harder on your liver than alcohol.
People who develop liver problems over alcohol are usually also taking advil to cure their hangovers, doubling the toxicity. Usually heavy drinkers, especially women, are on medications to which also add to the stress on the liver. And liquor is also harder than beer on the liver.
People drink beer for years and years without liver problems. On the other hand Ive known 45 year old women in complete liver failure over their drinking problem, gin or vodka in the day time, wine in the evenings, day drinking, hiding it from others etc...
Gear is harder, depending on the gear. I think if your responsible you can probably have a few beers during a mild cycle. But when it's a harsh compound and you're partying pretty hard, drinking hard liquor and having multiple drinks multiple times a week, you're going to impair your liver.
How much? It varies from person to person. Do you have elevated liver enzymes? If you catch it early you can stop whatever is causing the damage and in time it will repair itself. If you're pissing ffrothy bloody or brown urine. Youre probably going to have pretty severe problems, maybe even long term. If your skin and eyes are jaundiced? You're probably fucked.
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You can't really compare the two because it's two different types of potential damage.
I think the opposite of beakdoctor but I'm no expert on liver problems. The reason is that some can run gear a whole lifetime without damage to the liver. What I mean is the liver tissue is otherwise healthy even if you happen to get blood filled liver cysts from gear (potential side. also asympromatic so many might have them without knowing). From what I understand alcohol is immediately toxic and damages the liver from the first drink basically, correct me if I'm wrong. When people say some can drink a whole lifetime without liver problems they mean without liver damage symptoms. But the liver can be infiltrated with fat or fibrotic or whatever. Can't they tell by your liver enzymes if you are currently drinking at all? I think they can. Using steroids? Not so much. Again, correct me if I'm wrong.
One symptom of severe liver problems is "white" or colorless shit. That's what I read :D
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I have not had anyone I know die from liver damage through steroids but quite a few died with drink.
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I have not had anyone I know die from liver damage through steroids but quite a few died with drink.
I've never even known anyone with jaundice from gear and that's a fairly "common" liver symptom from other causes and is supposed to happen from oral use fairly commonly.
The extreme alcoholics who are basically black are a sorry sight. I don't know if anyone has come back from that.
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Not a doctor but I pretend to be on getbig. Stop steroids especially orals. Stop drinking. Do a lot of cardio to get lean with both subcutaneous and visceral fat. Most times liver tests come back bad the doc calls it a fatty liver. If the whites of your eyes are not clear white but a shade of yellow you're pretty far gone. Unless your liver is completely shot it will come back with six weeks of no drinking, no oral steroids and doing cardio.
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As far as liver protectants go I'd use TUDCA when on heavy orals for bile flow and less toxic bile- steroids can cause cholestasis and that's the drug for treating it.
Phosphatidylcholine is probably a good idea
Antioxidants, glutathione boosters and bitter herbs
Acetyl-l-glutathione or acetyl-l-cysteine
Milk Thistle or something like Liv52
Choline:
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I wonder if blood pressure meds. affect the liver
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Gear is harder on your liver than alcohol.
People who develop liver problems over alcohol are usually also taking advil to cure their hangovers, doubling the toxicity.
Advil/ibuprofen is not hepatotoxic. You meant Tylenol/acetaminophen.
You really shouldn’t be speaking on matters like these if you don’t know basic facts.
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Hard liquor can put you in the grave if you drink too much frequently.
Taking gear isn't hard on your liver unless you are mega dosing for years on end.
I took 100mg of Drol for 8 months and my liver values were perfect.
Acetaminophen will literally melt your liver over time in high doses.
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Hard liquor can put you in the grave if you drink too much frequently.
Taking gear isn't hard on your liver unless you are mega dosing for years on end.
I took 100mg of Drol for 8 months and my liver values were perfect.
Acetaminophen will literally melt your liver over time in high doses.
I bet the Anadrol 50 of the early 80's made in real US pharmaceutical companies are not the same as the black market stuff guys buy from the trunk of the gym steroid pusher. Anadrol 50 was sick strong back in the day. Rumored to be a favorite of Casey Viator.
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Surprised there's no liver or kidney ailments mentioned on Hankins' list.
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Not a doctor but I pretend to be on getbig. Stop steroids especially orals. Stop drinking. Do a lot of cardio to get lean with both subcutaneous and visceral fat. Most times liver tests come back bad the doc calls it a fatty liver. If the whites of your eyes are not clear white but a shade of yellow you're pretty far gone. Unless your liver is completely shot it will come back with six weeks of no drinking, no oral steroids and doing cardio.
Cardio is not and never will be healthy
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Had fatty liver and it regenerated fast once the
booze toxins got out of the equation. Sleep and sun exposure help a lot. High volume training is detrimental to liver and so is a high fat/junk food diet. A friend of mine has fatty liver and he doesn't drink nor lifts, just eats candy and chocolate regularly.
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Thats crazy
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Had fatty liver and it regenerated fast once the booze toxins got out of the equation. Sleep and sun exposure help a lot. High volume training is detrimental to liver and so is a high fat/junk food diet. A friend of mine has fatty liver and he doesn't drink nor lifts, just eats candy and chocolate regularly.
High volume training tanks the liver?
Don't tell that to doc Mike Israeltel
These guys nowadays train way too much
Too often and with too much volume
Funny thing is they all admit they made Thier best gans training low volume 3-4 days a week on abbreviated programs
Mots these dorks train 6 days a week hitting each muscle twice per week which is way overkill IMHO
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Whatever happened to that old supplement Liv52? It was all the rage for a while years back.
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Whatever happened to that old supplement Liv52? It was all the rage for a while years back.
I mentioned it above. Lots of herbs have antioxidant and organ protecting qualities.
"Bitter herbs" traditionally for liver.
It might be worthwhile, I take it sometimes just for the hell of it. It's like 100 years old and costs almost nothing, it's indicated for growth and appetite :D
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Had fatty liver and it regenerated fast once the booze toxins got out of the equation. Sleep and sun exposure help a lot. High volume training is detrimental to liver and so is a high fat/junk food diet. A friend of mine has fatty liver and he doesn't drink nor lifts, just eats candy and chocolate regularly.
how does sun exposure help for liver recovery ?
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how does sun exposure help for liver recovery ?
Seems to lower billirrubin levels, which is a marker of liver toxicity. The mechanism how it does it i dont know.
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Whatever happened to that old supplement Liv52? It was all the rage for a while years back.
It's still available. At least here in Portugal.
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High volume training tanks the liver?
In guys with a crappy liver like myself it does. My bloodwork showed that, even when younger, no alchool and clean diet. Mentzer way was my only way.
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Pate is ok but I couldn't eat a straight slab of the stuff.
I take NAC occasional daytimes for glutathione makin'. Maybe it's voodoo but I feel better next morning. I have at least 3 fat whiskeys every night. By American standards (they still in business?) I'm a lush. But what do they know? They're all fat.
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Pate is ok but I couldn't eat a straight slab of the stuff.
I take NAC occasional daytimes for glutathione makin'. Maybe it's voodoo but I feel better next morning. I have at least 3 fat whiskeys every night. By American standards (they still in business?) I'm a lush. But what do they know? They're all fat.
I inject 200mg of glutathione daily....fountain of youth....NAC doesn't raise levels much.
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In guys with a crappy liver like myself it does. My bloodwork showed that, even when younger, no alchool and clean diet. Mentzer way was my only way.
It's a "false positive" so to speak. They say you shouldn't workout for a couple of days before testing.
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It's still available. At least here in Portugal.
It wasn't available here in the US for awhile IIRC.
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This has the all the best supps to protect the liver and a lot of other extras you could easily pay the same just for nac and tudca
https://a.co/d/hcWTkKk
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Is it fda approved?
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how does sun exposure help for liver recovery ?
I’m guessing vitamin D from sun exposure. How that mechanism works I don’t know. My daughter had high bilirubin when first born. They gave us little sunglasses and said “ give her some sun each day”. It worked, in short order her levels normalized
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I’m guessing vitamin D from sun exposure. How that mechanism works I don’t know. My daughter had high bilirubin when first born. They gave us little sunglasses and said “ give her some sun each day”. It worked, in short order her levels normalized
thanks for your answer also to falco muito obrigado...
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thanks for your answer also to falco muito obrigado...
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De nada. (you're welcome).
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I wish the liver king had liver problems.