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Claim: the military has shut down the docks to search for, rescue, and recover trafficked children.
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The Longshoremen's union want a 77% increase in pay over 6 years and a pause on automation.
Nice work if you can get it.
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Claim: the military has shut down the docks to search for, rescue, and recover trafficked children.
Oh fuck off with this.
Is Q in the room with us?
I thought they were all smuggled through the southern border? Now it’s the easy coast docks?
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Oh fuck off with this.
Is Q in the room with us?
I thought they were all smuggled through the southern border? Now it’s the easy coast docks?
Relax woman
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Bon Jovi knew this will happen.
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Relax woman
Hahaha. Yeah I’m the woman ::).
You’re a fat geezer autist that peruses Facebook for current events.
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The Longshoremen's union want a 77% increase in pay over 6 years and a pause on automation.
Nice work if you can get it.
Wow! :o
https://www.wsj.com/opinion/longshoremen-union-strike-ports-waterfront-commission-new-york-harbor-harold-daggett-debd179a?mod=opinion_lead_pos1
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Start with the astounding fact that there are 50,000 or so ILA strikers but only 25,000 or so port jobs. That’s right, only about half of the union’s members are obliged to show up to work each day. The rest sit at home collecting “container royalties” negotiated in previous ILA contracts intended to protect against job losses that result from innovation.
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The Longshoremen's union want a 77% increase in pay over 6 years and a pause on automation.
Nice work if you can get it.
Great, I hope their demands are met
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Wow! :o
https://www.wsj.com/opinion/longshoremen-union-strike-ports-waterfront-commission-new-york-harbor-harold-daggett-debd179a?mod=opinion_lead_pos1
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Start with the astounding fact that there are 50,000 or so ILA strikers but only 25,000 or so port jobs. That’s right, only about half of the union’s members are obliged to show up to work each day. The rest sit at home collecting “container royalties” negotiated in previous ILA contracts intended to protect against job losses that result from innovation.
Given that they have to have worked 1300 hours in a year to qualify for container royalties, this quote seems misleading. Post the whole article, please
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The strike is over. There's nothing to worry about. Everyone go home and take care of your families.
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This thread has been shut down
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Given that they have to have worked 1300 hours in a year to qualify for container royalties, this quote seems misleading. Post the whole article, please
On the Waterfront, the Sequel
The dockworkers strike is an education in monopoly union power.
The dockworkers shutting down East and Gulf Coast ports called off their strike late Thursday after port operators proposed a 62% wage increase over six years. Americans will be spared the economic pain from a longer strike, but it’s worth examining this episode for its reminder of forgotten lessons about union monopolies and labor-boss politics.
It wasn’t clear as we wrote this what happened behind the scenes, but it looks as if the business consortium negotiating with the union gave way under political pressure. The union wanted a 77% raise to $69 an hour, while the consortium had offered 50%.
President Biden had threatened the United States Maritime Alliance (USMX) with legal action this week if it didn’t give in further to union demands. “My Administration will be monitoring for any price gouging activity that benefits foreign ocean carriers, including those on the USMX board,” he said in a statement. This was a direct threat to Maersk and other ocean carriers if they added a surcharge because of the disruptions from the ILA strike.
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One myth exposed by the strike is that unions need more economic and political power because they help the working man. The union behind this strike, the International Longshoremen’s Association (ILA), helps some workers at the expense of countless others.
Start with the astounding fact that there were 50,000 or so ILA strikers but only 25,000 or so port jobs. That’s right, only about half of the union’s members are obliged to show up to work each day. The rest sit at home collecting “container royalties” negotiated in previous ILA contracts intended to protect against job losses that result from innovation.
And what a deal for those favored few who do show up to work. The 2019-2020 report of the Waterfront Commission of New York Harbor laid out the reality: “The absolute control of the International Longshoremen’s Association, AFL-CIO (ILA) over hiring in the Port for over 60 years has not only led to a lack of diversity and inclusion in waterfront employment, but also to the perpetuation of criminality and corruption.”
Residents near the ports can’t get hired because of this union control. “Meanwhile, those who are connected to union leadership or organized crime figures are rewarded with high paying, low-show or no-work special compensation packages,” the report said.
More than “590 individuals continue to receive over $147 million in outsized salaries not required by the industry’s collective bargaining agreement and for hours they do not even have to be at the Port,” the report continued. “Such positions were overwhelmingly given to white males connected to organized crime figures or union leadership.”
This is how ILA boss Harold Daggett earns $900,000 a year, drives a Bentley and owns a 76-foot yacht. And this is the union that President Biden, Kamala Harris and “national conservative” intellectuals extol as tribunes of the working class. Why hasn’t Mr. Biden rung up these guys for “systemic racism”?
This is what happens when unions are granted monopoly negotiating power that lets them extort outsized rents. The ILA is the sole union bargainer for East and Gulf Coast ports, and there is little non-union port competition. The union has a chokehold on commerce that gives it extortionary leverage.
The ILA is like the coal miners and railroad unions that shut down the British economy in the 1970s, or the unions that paralyze transportation in France today. When ILA members strike, they stop trade in goods and hurt literally millions of workers who earn far less than the members of the ILA. Mr. Daggett was happy to put countless truck drivers, warehouse employees, retail clerks and auto workers out of work so he and his “connected” members can buy another yacht.
This is why Congress passed the Taft-Hartley Act over the veto of Harry Truman in 1947. The 1935 National Labor Relations Act had handed vast new power to unions that resulted in waves of strikes, including secondary boycotts and forced union membership. Taft-Hartley rebalanced the rules for collective bargaining that continue today.
Taft-Hartley also gives the President the authority to seek a court order for an 80-day cooling-off period so companies and unions can negotiate without a strike. The provision was intended for labor disputes like the one at U.S. ports that do great economic harm. George W. Bush invoked it in 2002 to stop an 11-day labor action at West Coast ports.
Yet Mr. Biden refused to invoke the law, and Ms. Harris agreed. “I don’t believe in Taft-Hartley,” Mr. Biden said.
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All of this should have been an opportunity for Donald Trump to defend the jobs of millions of Americans by calling for Mr. Biden to use his power to end the strike. But the former President instead issued a statement taking a protectionist shot at “foreign flag vessels.” This is political and economic malpractice.
It’s fashionable in Washington these days to think that handing Big Labor more power will help workers and reduce inequality. It won’t. It will enrich labor bosses and assist the politicians they support, while damaging the economy and limiting the broader wage gains needed for shared prosperity.
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Is this the death rattle of the mafia?
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I don't understand the strike against automation. We should want automation. Why support people to do jobs that will become obsolete?
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I don't understand the strike against automation. We should want automation. Why support people to do jobs that will become obsolete?
The union doesn't it because it would eliminate dockworker jobs.
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This thread has been shut down
Who is that? He looks really good. Are there other poses?
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Claim: the military has shut down the docks to search for, rescue, and recover trafficked children.
you have to be kidding
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The Longshoremen's union want a 77% increase in pay over 6 years and a pause on automation.
Nice work if you can get it.
Employer side was willing to give 50% and not to progress with automation.
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Wow! :o
https://www.wsj.com/opinion/longshoremen-union-strike-ports-waterfront-commission-new-york-harbor-harold-daggett-debd179a?mod=opinion_lead_pos1
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Start with the astounding fact that there are 50,000 or so ILA strikers but only 25,000 or so port jobs. That’s right, only about half of the union’s members are obliged to show up to work each day. The rest sit at home collecting “container royalties” negotiated in previous ILA contracts intended to protect against job losses that result from innovation.
Right behind govt work is union work. No shows like the mafioso.
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Who is that? He looks really good. Are there other poses?
X 2 .......insanely tight abs.
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X 2 .......insanely tight abs.
Victor Martinez?
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As long as it doesn’t affect the up coming Mr Olympia it’s all good
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Who is that? He looks really good. Are there other poses?
brian Hankins
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I don't understand the strike against automation. We should want automation. Why support people to do jobs that will become obsolete?
Half the jobs are going to be gone. Society better figure this out quick.
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Oh fuck off with this.
Is Q in the room with us?
I thought they were all smuggled through the southern border? Now it’s the easy coast docks?
no it's from a pizza shop in NYC called Killary's pizza.
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The strike is over. There's nothing to worry about. Everyone go home and take care of your families.
;D
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Half the jobs are going to be gone. Society better figure this out quick.
I think it will be like when people lost jobs in the horse and buggy industry or any other old industries that got phased out. I assume people will migrate to other trades. Adapt or perish.
I think giving in to Union demands to slow down automation just makes our society less efficient. We fall further behind other countries when we build in inefficiencies.
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I think it will be like when people lost jobs in the horse and buggy industry or any other old industries that got phased out. I assume people will migrate to other trades. Adapt or perish.
I think giving in to Union demands to slow down automation just makes our society less efficient. We fall further behind other countries when we build in inefficiencies.
The horse and buggy industry was one industry. AI and automation will effect many many industries.
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I think it will be like when people lost jobs in the horse and buggy industry or any other old industries that got phased out. I assume people will migrate to other trades. Adapt or perish.
I think giving in to Union demands to slow down automation just makes our society less efficient. We fall further behind other countries when we build in inefficiencies.
What would automated dockworkers mean for society, aside from tens of thousands of Americans out of good jobs? Dont think for a second prices would come down, any money saved would just be more profits in the hands of the corporations.
All I hear is how technological advances will save us time, money, and labor. And yet when I look around, average Americans have less time, less money, and work more hours than ever before.
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The strike is over. There's nothing to worry about. Everyone go home and take care of your families.
The three month pause in negotiations seems like a trap. Gives the democrats an opportunity to pay lip service to the idea of being pro-labor without having to deal with the consequences of a strike.
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The three month pause in negotiations seems like a trap. Gives the democrats an opportunity to pay lip service to the idea of being pro-labor without having to deal with the consequences of a strike.
Three month pause?
It was reported that they reached agreement with 62% for 6 years?
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Three month pause?
It was reported that they reached agreement with 62% for 6 years?
That’s for compensation. They have not yet reached an agreement on benefits and automation.
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That’s for compensation. They have not yet reached an agreement on benefits and automation.
Yes, I found and read the whole article.
Wonder why they do that. Original counter offer from employers side was 50% raise and automation texts remain the same.
Wage part is what the press, and public, in unterested in. The text is as important, if not more, to the workers.
With this they could very well have another strike on their hands. Employers can now say that they gave up on wages, not its time for union to give up on texts.
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What would automated dockworkers mean for society, aside from tens of thousands of Americans out of good jobs? Dont think for a second prices would come down, any money saved would just be more profits in the hands of the corporations.
All I hear is how technological advances will save us time, money, and labor. And yet when I look around, average Americans have less time, less money, and work more hours than ever before.
I disagree with you on this. I do think the prices would come down eventually. I think other countries docks will be automated, and we will be at a competitive disadvantage.
I agree that Americans work longer hours than many other nations. But I don't think the way to fix this is to prevent technological advances.
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Three month pause?
It was reported that they reached agreement with 62% for 6 years?
Just a tentative agreement.
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The three month pause in negotiations seems like a trap. Gives the democrats an opportunity to pay lip service to the idea of being pro-labor without having to deal with the consequences of a strike.
Yeah, cover their ass before the election.
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I disagree with you on this. I do think the prices would come down eventually. I think other countries docks will be automated, and we will be at a competitive disadvantage.
I agree that Americans work longer hours than many other nations. But I don't think the way to fix this is to prevent technological advances.
Why would prices come down? Consumers are used to paying the current prices, there is no need for the shipping companies to come down on prices. They would just pocket the extra profit.
Can you point to a single example where a company cut costs by outsourcing/automating (ie: hardworking Americans losing their jobs), and the money saved resulted in lower prices for the consumer? In every case I can think of, prices stayed the same and the money saved went to the corporation and its shareholders.
Yes, I found and read the whole article.
Wonder why they do that. Original counter offer from employers side was 50% raise and automation texts remain the same.
Wage part is what the press, and public, in unterested in. The text is as important, if not more, to the workers.
With this they could very well have another strike on their hands. Employers can now say that they gave up on wages, not its time for union to give up on texts.
I’d imagine there were some behind the scenes dealings, possibly from the White House. “Hey, come to an agreement on wages to end the strike and Joe Biden/Kamala Harris will strongly endorse your position in the subsequent negotiations”. The timing is just so convenient that I can’t imagine there wasn’t any external influence from Washington
Yeah, cover their ass before the election.
Bingo