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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Fallsview on October 05, 2024, 07:08:49 AM
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Goodmorrow,
Nick Walker has no bowed out of the 2024 Mr. Olympia contest. The announcement was made today on Saturday October 5th but the decision was made last Thursdays
Nick said "His body was just not there"
Good Day!
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his body can no longer tolerate all the drug injections
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The guy is turning into a joke... ::)
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Will be back next year with an all-time best package (nh).
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I hope dude won’t be statistics.
https://fitnessvolt.com/nick-walker-out-of-2024-mr-olympia/
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knows his time has passed, lucky to get top 6 if he competes, this way he makes promises for next year and people hang on and he keeps his shitty supplement sponsorships
Unless hes blown his kidneys
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People still watch the Olympia or follow it?
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I think he just turned 30 and has pulled out of 2 olympias.
Last year was the hamstring - fine .
But 2 weeks out and your body isn’t responding after doing 1 show months ago.
There is only one answer. Body/ receptors are shot
Preemptive PIP 2026
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he checked who is going and decided he wouldn't win so is chickening out
its called doing a Hankins
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he checked who is going and decided he wouldn't win so is chickening out
its called doing a Hankins
I was gonna say bhanky he’s chicken on my other thread
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Smart move. It's all about social media and his profile won't really grow even if he wins the olympia, as to be honest nobody cares about it anymore.
The last Mr Olympias anyone cared about were Ramy, Cheath and Jay. Even Ramy must have been years ago at this point.
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Hamstring? Korea?
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Mr Olympia is the who-can-endure-the-highest-level-of-drug-abuse-without-killing-himself contest.
It seems after 10 years of excessive drug use his health caved in.
But on a positive note, I still hope we can witness the sudden-death-on-stage exit of a Mr Olympia finalist. That would be epic.
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Im still holding on to the hope that we'll see Dead Walker on stage, handing out awards in an ill fitting polo shirt, buttoned all the way up.
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lol at the guy saying that Nick has had so much stress in his life, that his body is finally releasing the stress and that’s why he’s not responding. What a joke.
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Didn't someone on here say his back ache was more likely a liver thing?
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Didn't someone on here say his back ache was more likely a liver thing?
I think that was just the undershirt bunching up
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It's time for him to get a real job.
I remember all these guys in my early twenties. Juicing, living in shit apartments and bouncing at night. Then after chasing the steroid pump it was over. They had no career and they looked ten years older than their actual age. Last time I ran into one of them they pulled out a crumpled picture out of their wallet to show me how they looked back in the day. The sad part was they were standing right in front of me looking like crap.
So few make a living out of this odd ball subculture of a sport. Why have syringes, vials and pills to walk around to get compliments from the clueless. Pursue a career, family and use lifting as your passion and not sick obsession.
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It's time for him to get a real job.
I remember all these guys in my early twenties. Juicing, living in shit apartments and bouncing at night. Then after chasing the steroid pump it was over. They had no career and they looked ten years older than their actual age. Last time I ran into one of them they pulled out a crumpled picture out of their wallet to show me how they looked back in the day. The sad part was they were standing right in front of me looking like crap.
So few make a living out of this odd ball subculture of a sport. Why have syringes, vials and pills to walk around to get compliments from the clueless. Pursue a career, family and use lifting as your passion and not sick obsession.
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thats the spirit mate- they'll never stop us laughing!
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I’m not a clothing expert.
But, surly this can’t be the undershirt bunching up?
Brian, Can you advise since you suffer from the same condition?
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As someone who's had it, his announcement video looks very much like he is in congestive heart failure. The swell of the face/neck and that level of ascites in the abdomen. Interesting they didn't shoot his legs, those ankles and lower legs might have been huge.
I hope I'm wrong and pray the man's ok.
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He wont be flexing his glutes in anytime soon.
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Personally I feel that Nick had a bloodwork/health problem. Something on his bloodwork might have been very dangerous causing him to stop whatever supplementation he was doing. On ther hand Nick might be having a problem with his health, kidneys, liver, spleen, blood thickness, etc. from whatever supplementation protocol he's following.
To have the IFBB let him out of a contract to do the Olympia he needs to show that his health was at risk.
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The guy is turning into a joke... ::)
He's turning into Big Ramy.
Training, bathroom pics, dropout.
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he looks like he doesnt even lift in that video
No delts, just a sloppy mess
The tears as well tells me hes not long for this world, his organs are on their way out and he knows it
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Yep
Ascites = FUKCED
Blood work? Irrelevant
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Matt Jansen kills another guy
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It's time for him to get a real job.
I remember all these guys in my early twenties. Juicing, living in shit apartments and bouncing at night. Then after chasing the steroid pump it was over. They had no career and they looked ten years older than their actual age. Last time I ran into one of them they pulled out a crumpled picture out of their wallet to show me how they looked back in the day. The sad part was they were standing right in front of me looking like crap.
So few make a living out of this odd ball subculture of a sport. Why have syringes, vials and pills to walk around to get compliments from the clueless. Pursue a career, family and use lifting as your passion and not sick obsession.
Opinions Vary - Just do as you want & enjoy you're life as were not here
for very long. We bring nothing in & Take nothing out.
As long as we're not hurting others - Get on with you're life doing
what you enjoy.
Worry about Your on Life Oldtimer & not Others. Simple.
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I was also concerned with the ascites
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Will he go into pro wrasslin' or MMA or Canadian Football League?
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His glute control wasn’t where he wanted it to be.
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It's time for him to get a real job.
I remember all these guys in my early twenties. Juicing, living in shit apartments and bouncing at night. Then after chasing the steroid pump it was over. They had no career and they looked ten years older than their actual age. Last time I ran into one of them they pulled out a crumpled picture out of their wallet to show me how they looked back in the day. The sad part was they were standing right in front of me looking like crap.
So few make a living out of this odd ball subculture of a sport. Why have syringes, vials and pills to walk around to get compliments from the clueless. Pursue a career, family and use lifting as your passion and not sick obsession.
Getting a “real job” isn’t an accomplishment when you can make so much more having different revenues of income like g4p
That’s why most people are average to below average in society cause they are stuck with a “real job” like millions of other minions
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As someone who's had it, his announcement video looks very much like he is in congestive heart failure. The swell of the face/neck and that level of ascites in the abdomen. Interesting they didn't shoot his legs, those ankles and lower legs might have been huge.
I hope I'm wrong and pray the man's ok.
I actually watched a few minutes of the video. What rest does this person need? He doesn’t work a job.
He competed in one show the entire year . What am I missing. How would his body need a rest. The only rest it needs is from the drug use plain and simple.
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Bloody hell, the guy looks so much older than the last time I saw him.
The talent pool was bigger in the 90s so guys like him who don't have the genetics to get to the top ended up fizzling out because they couldn't get the pro card. But in this era they keep taking top pro level dosages and fuck themselves up.
He's going the way of that other guy who died choking on steak. You know it wasn't worth it when someone who's posted on bodybuilding boards since the 2000s forgets your name.
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Must have got a load of fake gear this time around.
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I already posted last year that he would not be back.
He is done for. A bloated mess. Heading to Palumbosim fast, bubble gut is ginormous. Receptors fully blown. And yes, for sure he will have lasting health issues.
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OUT of the 2024 Olympia
IN the 2025 Getbig Dead Pool
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I already posted last year that he would not be back.
He is done for. A bloated mess. Heading to Palumbosim fast, bubble gut is ginormous. Receptors fully blown. And yes, for sure he will have lasting health issues.
Yes. I remember.
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He's going the way of that other guy who died choking on steak.
This just hit right: I had a very hearty chuckle. Thank you. ;D
Concerning Dick Knocker, well, no, I am not surprised. To my eyes his physique has appeared much less “fresh” these past dozen months or so.
Also, as so many note, his proportions (upper-to-lower) are off, his midsection (despite brick abs) is gigantic, his thighs are, comparatively, underwhelming, and his lower legs are an eyesore.
I make fun, but genuinely I hope he gets with it and sees the final act of this particular play.
Attempt to reclaim your health as best as possible and get on with a more balanced life.
Pushing over into the abyss in an attempt to win a title that has largely become irrelevant is foolishness.
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His glute control wasn’t where he wanted it to be.
I bet he will read that and will be clueless about what it mean. And elevate his already high cortisol levels.
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Don't worry. He will be back next year with a clean bill of health looking better than ever.
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Don't worry. He will be back next year with a clean bill of health looking better than ever.
that wont age well...
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I bet he will read that and will be clueless about what it mean. And elevate his already high cortisol levels.
;D ;D ;D
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Antoine Vaillant gives his imput:
i=Ej4NL2qmES7B5vOZ
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what I think it might be but it isnt is ......
Or it could be but it isnt..
Antoine is a fucking idiot
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9 months from now his belly will start to get smaller and then he can compete again. We just have to wait out his gestational period.
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It just shows the sport is not easy peaking on a certain date is not a given. The body does have a way of breaking down under too much stress pre-contest prep is more stress on an already overtrained body. Sometimes the body just needs a break
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It just shows the sport is not easy peaking on a certain date is not a given. The body does have a way of breaking down under too much stress pre-contest prep is more stress on an already overtrained body. Sometimes the body just needs a break
Words of wisdom.
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It just shows the sport is not easy peaking on a certain date is not a given. The body does have a way of breaking down under too much stress pre-contest prep is more stress on an already overtrained body. Sometimes the body just needs a break
so thats why you looked like absolute shit on stage
only you are arrogant enough to shoehorn your way intp a thread about a pro bb- something you will never be.
now your military dishcarge DA/DT?
lying snitch
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Goodmorrow,
Nick Walker has no bowed out of the 2024 Mr. Olympia contest.
The announcement was made today on Saturday but the decision was made last Thurdays
Nick said "His body was just not there"
Good Day!
A lot more men have finished and pulled out of Fallsview than have got injured and pulled out of the Mr. Olympia.
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It just shows the sport is not easy peaking on a certain date is not a given. The body does have a way of breaking down under too much stress pre-contest prep is more stress on an already overtrained body. Sometimes the body just needs a break
what the fuck do you know about it?
Never peaked for a show in his fucking life, a weeks diet and loses 20lb of shit and water and still has 20 to go
And you having the audacity to post after your fucking cowardice and lies you closet fag
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A lot more men have finished and pulled out of Fallsview than have got injured and pulled out of the Mr. Olympia.
sublime...
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Truth is, missing two years, doing what he’s doing, is the kiss of death.
In today’s pro bodybuilding scene, the best-before date is always right around the corner.
If he was going to win it, it would have been in the past few years.
He is now over the peak and he’s picking up steam on the descent.
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what the fuck do you know about it?
Never peaked for a show in his fucking life, a weeks diet and loses 20lb of shit and water and still has 20 to go
And you having the audacity to post after your fucking cowardice and lies you closet fag
The only fag here is you every other post is some explicit gay fantasy shit from you nothing worse than an aggressive old queer
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The only fag here is you every other post is some explicit gay fantasy shit from you nothing worse than an aggressive old queer
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there speaks the high pitched 'lovely french toast' voice of experience
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I actually watched a few minutes of the video. What rest does this person need? He doesn’t work a job.
He competed in one show the entire year . What am I missing. How would his body need a rest. The only rest it needs is from the drug use plain and simple.
Of course he needs rest from the drugs, and I don't think they were really trying to imply otherwise, they always say "what you need to do to compete."
It could be a health issue but it could also be that to body didn't respond as usual fpr whatever reason or he was behind. They are thinking strategically, a bad showing sticks in peoples' and judges minds.
Or it could be an acute mental health issue too because he mentioned something about relationships.
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He's that ill he can't speak for himself - He's proper Fucked himself up.
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Gut looks unbelievably terrible. Delts are gone. Arms looking soft. Pasty complexion with nerd glasses and ultra-high-estrogen face and mannerisms. Whatever's happening with him seems bad.
He honestly looks like he's gone cold turkey.
He basically looks like a short obese guy now, lol.
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at least he will have his family around him this Christmas
Shame it will be around his bed...
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Gut looks unbelievably terrible. Delts are gone. Arms looking soft. Pasty complexion with nerd glasses and ultra-high-estrogen face and mannerisms. Whatever's happening with him seems bad.
He honestly looks like he's gone cold turkey.
He basically looks like a short obese guy now, lol.
I think it's hard to tell anything by these pics, my guess is he's in very good shape but not good enough :D
Or he has ascites
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Gut looks unbelievably terrible. Delts are gone. Arms looking soft. Pasty complexion with nerd glasses and ultra-high-estrogen face and mannerisms. Whatever's happening with him seems bad.
He honestly looks like he's gone cold turkey.
He basically looks like a short obese guy now, lol.
Brutal but true.
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The only fag here is you every other post is some explicit gay fantasy shit from you nothing worse than an aggressive old queer
E tu, Brute?
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It just shows the sport is not easy peaking on a certain date is not a given. The body does have a way of breaking down under too much stress pre-contest prep is more stress on an already overtrained body. Sometimes the body just needs a break
How would you know.....you never did a 12,16,or 20 week pre-contest diet?
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I love how Nick says he’s still considers himself the 3rd best bodybuilder in the world despite not competing in the Mr O the last two years.
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Why are his elbows red?
(https://i.ibb.co/WHFCGzp/IMG-6125.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
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Why are his elbows red?
(https://i.ibb.co/WHFCGzp/IMG-6125.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
And Jansen’s knees also.
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Antoine Vaillant gives his imput:
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Holy hell this guy speaks at a 4th grade level.
How can you guys watch this shit? ;D
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Smart move. It's all about social media and his profile won't really grow even if he wins the olympia, as to be honest nobody cares about it anymore.
The last Mr Olympias anyone cared about were Ramy, Cheath and Jay. Even Ramy must have been years ago at this point.
You’re right. Doesn’t have the same draw.
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It just shows the sport is not easy peaking on a certain date is not a given. The body does have a way of breaking down under too much stress pre-contest prep is more stress on an already overtrained body. Sometimes the body just needs a break
You know sweet fuck all about peaking for a show. You’re so mentally weak that you lay down and cry after your first hunger pain.
Fuck off back to your “Sid the Sloth” looking cum dumpster wife.
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Self respect aside, it may be the real reason he’s dropping out is that he doesn’t want to deal with the brutal backlash he’ll get on social media (from the fans and influencers) for placing out of the top five or even top six.
He and Jansen have obviously seen the recent posted photos of Hadi, Derek, Samson, and Andrew and realize he can’t beat any of them, so at best he’d be looking at fifth place. Throw in a good Curry, Hunter, or Martin, and he’d be out of the top six.
We all know how criticizing and merciless social media can be.
Then there is the matter of a health issue. Maybe he’s had some type of a health scare and Jansen knows that if they “up the dose” in order to try to get him in the top five it could seriously damage his health, or possibly even kill him. And Jansen wouldn’t want another McCarver on his hands.
I’ll never forget seeing photos of Walker when he first came on the scene. I said to myself that kid’s on a boat load of gear. I’ve seen him in person in fact and he’s not a tall guy. He’s 5’7” I would guess and to me his physique looked very “blocky.” Fireplug type.
I’ll also never forget his prediction a few years back when he said he would win ten Olympias.
My prediction: his career is over. Painful for him, painful for anyone to realize their dream isn’t going to come true.
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Holy hell this guy speaks at a 4th grade level.
How can you guys watch this shit? ;D
I didn`t watch this bullshit.....IMO Walker looked like shit......not a fan.
I don`t wish I'll health on him,but I don`t like his squatty, blocky,bloated,boxy, look..........no flow to his build at all.
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The only fag here is you every other post is some explicit gay fantasy shit from you nothing worse than an aggressive old queer
Yes. We know you prefer submissive, young queers.
Pat Spaulding, that other twink. You got a "type." To each their own.
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Yes. We know you prefer submissive, young queers.
Pat Spaulding, that other twink. You got a "type." To each their own.
And here comes another old fag to share his gay fantasies take it elsewhere fag
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And here comes another old fag to share his gay fantasies take it elsewhere fag
Hahahaha lololololol... a little over compensating for hitting too close to home, Brian?
Tough talk for a closet case, bald headed fruit loop that pranced around wearing your wifes panties?
Spaulding and the other twink are your paramores.
I just call it like I see it Brian.
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Anyway, after that rude interruption....
I heard Nick was attacked by Ninjas.
The stress of the attack, which was thwarted when Nick stripped off his pants , and screamed while pointing at his flexed quadraceps, caused Nick to gorge on a dozen Big Mac happy meals thus blowing his condition.
Nick was conflicted about telling how he bravely fought off the ninjas but then also having to confes to the shame of binge eating at McDonalds. Hence he decided to make up a story about how his body just isn't 'there.'
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And here comes another old fag to share his gay fantasies take it elsewhere fag
Bailey Sanchez Loves you Bianca - Show him the same love on here
as you do privately - We all know it's out in the open. You Faggott Khvnt.
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He's done, he just doesn't want to admit it. 2 years off from the Olympia when you're barely a top three contender might as well be a lifetime. Same thing with the Arnold.
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Palumbo says it's fake gear LOL - the level of denial is unreal
Plus - Dave is 100% back on the juice - just look at him!
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Palumbo says it's fake gear LOL - the level of denial is unreal
Plus - Dave is 100% back on the juice - just look at him!
Palumbo doesnt buy the story because he sold Nick the gear
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I already posted last year that he would not be back.
He is done for. A bloated mess. Heading to Palumbosim fast, bubble gut is ginormous. Receptors fully blown. And yes, for sure he will have lasting health issues.
Exactly. He seemed to be so overhyped by the youth and yet all I saw was someone with shitty genetics and terrible proportions. Maybe we were spoilt growing up seeing the peak of the industry. The Classic division is far more interesting imo
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Palumbo says it's fake gear LOL - the level of denial is unreal
Plus - Dave is 100% back on the juice - just look at him!
Nicks coach Matt Jansen has the connect to all the legit gear. That's the main reason guys go to him for "coaching".
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Palumbo reaching with that gear story imo. I'm pretty sure his camp is very familiar with who gets the raws and bottles it up, probably a real compounding pharmacy in the US. This is obviously just speculation on my part but to now suddenly having all fake gear doesn't seem plausible, I don't wth Palumbo is thinking, Nick's getting a bit of a natural look?
Looking at the video the gut is enormous. I was thinking the shirt must be bunched up lol. But he can't even sit straight with the gut there. Last show it was like not even a millimeter more width or it becomes intolerable and maybe the gut is not cooperating right now :D
Nicks coach Matt Jansen has the connect to all the legit gear. That's the main reason guys go to him for "coaching".
Doesn't Jansen have interests in some HRT outfit with compounding pharmacy etc? Like I said, I don't know shit, but that's the ideal setup to make steroids, from China powders obviously. Order powders legally.
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I don't wth Palumbo is thinking, Nick's getting a bit of a natural look?
Looking at the video the gut is enormous.
I told you, that gut is unbelievable.
As for the "natural look"... you know how the modern "on" look is big delts + big traps? Now take another look at Nick Walker. Those muscle groups are AWOL.
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Palumbo says it's fake gear LOL - the level of denial is unreal
Plus - Dave is 100% back on the juice - just look at him!
Making clicks trashing others with baseless untenable assertions, what a useless POS :D
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Nick is the modern version of rich gaspari he burned out within 4 years now rumor has it Matt Jansen has a source for pharma grade hgh nicks receptors are fried I hope he saved some money and is ready to get a real job which is something he has never done also he is insane he moved 4 times this year that is. Not Normal
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Doesn't Jansen have interests in some HRT outfit with compounding pharmacy etc? Like I said, I don't know shit, but that's the ideal setup to make steroids, from China powders obviously. Order powders legally.
Yeah something along those lines relating to a HRT clinic. I'd imagine China powders would also be tested before use too.
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It’s amazing the delusion and idiocy of so many, to not recognize Dick Cocker’s issue is extremely obvious.
His body is torched.
It’s turning against him.
Modern high-level competitive bodybuilding is outrageously destructive to an individual’s overall health.
These past couple decades we’ve seen it time and again. When the slide begins, it’s over. All the guy can do, if he’s honest (with himself) and smart, is to reverse the jets, get out, and attempt to restore/preserve his remaining wellness.
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I'm pretty sure if Nick doffs the duds and shows his gut it will be the worst gut in the history of professional bodybuilding. He already had shit proportions and super stumpy legs, his gut looks like it's gained 4 inches since the Arnold. Hankins Training Principles of Peace.
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Must have got a load of fake gear this time around.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOM!!!!!!!!!!!
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If anyone would know about trading on fake gear it would be Palumbo.
As for Palumbo's thoughts? He's the f(l)ounder. He should just sponsor "Telly-Tubies Nick" via his Feces Nutrition Company.
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As someone who's had it, his announcement video looks very much like he is in congestive heart failure. The swell of the face/neck and that level of ascites in the abdomen. Interesting they didn't shoot his legs, those ankles and lower legs might have been huge.
I hope I'm wrong and pray the man's ok.
I missed this at first. You might be right. The gut is a bit too big even for him.
But then this would have shown symptoms for a long time previous, doctors correct me if I'm wrong. And you'd assume he actually does do very regular health check-ups. If he doesn't it's only because he actually wants to die for the Olympia.
I told you, that gut is unbelievable.
As for the "natural look"... you know how the modern "on" look is big delts + big traps? Now take another look at Nick Walker. Those muscle groups are AWOL.
To be honest it's hard for me to tell from this angle. And if he's lost significant muscle it would take a few of weeks to show, say with an acute kidney issue. But let's say he's signifcantly smaller because he just stopped all gear it would take time to show, like maybe a month where it's obvious he's losing. I think I remember gh15 saying you look your best 6 week after getting off, now "best look" may differ ;D I don't know, but I bet he is as big as ever right now with something going on with the gut.
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Personally I feel that Nick had a bloodwork/health problem. Something on his bloodwork might have been very dangerous causing him to stop whatever supplementation he was doing. On ther hand Nick might be having a problem with his health, kidneys, liver, spleen, blood thickness, etc. from whatever supplementation protocol he's following.
To have the IFBB let him out of a contract to do the Olympia he needs to show that his health was at risk.
One possibility would be that they already know his kidneys are in bad enough shape and that they couldn’t handle him dehydrating down for peak week. They probably tried to test out a peak week and his kidneys shut down and he ended up holding fluid. Maybe the got blood work after this and the doc said no go. A peak week dehydration protocol would definitely put Stressed kidneys in acute kidney injury (AKI) and then eventually acute renal failure (ARF) requiring emergent dialysis.
Another possibility is that they didn’t manage his potassium and it skyrocketed during a peak week trial, he got an arrhythmia, and now they’re too scared to risk it again.
Let’s hear from the getbig medical panel of experts
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I think he's suffering from his body no longer being able to control cortisol, I have seen it on other guys, have seen it before after guys hit their peak or body potential and keep upping the dose, then the body says enough and your muscles just seem to lose shape and hardness and palumboism kicks in. He's gone to hard too quick and and his bodies gone, same happened with Flex Lewis, Luke wood etc you can no longer control the cortisone, cortisone is the greatest physique killer along with nerve degeneration in high level bodybuilding.
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And to think Labrada thought it was a great idea for his son to follow in his footsteps. I’m not saying he
pushed him and tells him or advise him on how much to do or take, but the kid is twice the size of his father, and he pushes it as well.
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Would high estrogen and being off cause the soft look this close to competition? He should just jump immediately on ozempic and get down to his natural body weight as quick as possible. His bodybuilding career ist kapüt.
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The wave of catabolism that overcomes an individual like Nick who has heavily gassed for years is absolutely devastating to the muscular physique.
It’s like a literal cannibalism of the body.
The gear acts very much like a dam, holding back the cortisol.
When that dam “breaks” (come off), the result is nothing less than dramatic. Couple this with the body essentially no longer producing any T of its own.
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Nick is turning into a modern day Buddha statue.
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Looks like he has been "dieting" on Mc Donald's for a month.
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I think he's suffering from his body no longer being able to control cortisol, I have seen it on other guys, have seen it before after guys hit their peak or body potential and keep upping the dose, then the body says enough and your muscles just seem to lose shape and hardness and palumboism kicks in. He's gone to hard too quick and and his bodies gone, same happened with Flex Lewis, Luke wood etc you can no longer control the cortisone, cortisone is the greatest physique killer along with nerve degeneration in high level bodybuilding.
Cortisol may not be quite the bane it has a reputation for. Now this is complete speculation, but I've mentioned it on another forum(s) in the past. Fortress said that anabolics act like a dam against stress hormones and that's exactly right. Certain steroids like tren antagonise cortisol receptors (which is why it works so well on a diet preserving muscle. In theory) and even back then Dan Duchaine speculated this could be bad for health in the long run. Anyway, I had the idea that on longer cycles perhaps a little hydrocortisone could help in various ways and I was going to test it, just because, but the nurse who was going to get it for me grabbed a bottle of Prednisolone instead and that's seriously dangerous stuff to be taking regularly. Lots of guys also say when a roider gets off the estrogen is going to sky rocket causing havoc. But actually everything is low post cycle and since male estrogen comes from test estrogen is at rock bottom after going off roids, and you need estrogen to feel good and for your dick to work.
Anyway guess is I think Nck is at his approximately biggest and leanest right now but he has some problem.
One guy on yt had an idea to get a good response to subsequent roid cycles and it was to get off completely and wait to clean out and bottom out the testosterone. At that point you would take a certain drug for a few days which blocks androgen receptors almost completely, zero androgen action occurring in the body, then you would be optimally sensitised again :D
Just some speculation of little interest to most :D
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Would high estrogen and being off cause the soft look this close to competition? He should just jump immediately on ozempic and get down to his natural body weight as quick as possible. His bodybuilding career ist kapüt.
Ozempic is highly likely to be in a precontest stack. Don't know about Nick but it's used 100%. But if there is a problem with estrogen it's that it's way low due to being so close to comp, it's the arimidex, letrolozole, nolvadex or all in combination :D
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There are so many variables. The guy is taking half a dozen compounds at least probably a dozen. Anyone of them could be mislabeled. It is not an exact science. Everything can look great on paper one cycle you get rock hard and vascular try the same thing next time and you are bloated holding a gallon of extra water. What went wrong? Who knows could be anything
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I wish some guys would hire a photog to shoot them a few times a day for the last few days. In best possible lighting where you see "every fiber." Then you could tell whether the diuretic helps the look at all. And also pre-stage in the same spot, betweenn prejudging and night show, and then immediate after stepping off stage. Because guys claim the extreme differnces so would be cool to document. Often you hear, "X started fading towards the end of the round or got watery," is it real or mostly imaginarion? Maybe someone just got another layer of paint or more oil giving impression of improving condition.
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Nick's gut seriously looks like he's on some sort "My 600 Pound Life" show.
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Nick's gut seriously looks like he's on some sort "My 600 Pound Life" show.
He's just relaxing his full belly because prior to that impromptu moment he laid waste to a 3 foot high stack of (...some nice French Toast") and he hasn't gone to the local construction site porta potty just yet.
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I missed this at first. You might be right. The gut is a bit too big even for him.
But then this would have shown symptoms for a long time previous, doctors correct me if I'm wrong. And you'd assume he actually does do very regular health check-ups. If he doesn't it's only because he actually wants to die for the Olympia.
The reason I suspected heart failure is there is no way to verify heart failure before it's too late as the symptoms will be shortness of breath, fatigue and edema which isn't uncommon in hardcore bodybuilding. The only way to verify heart failure is an echocardiogram/electrocardiogram, to measure ejection fraction and heart strength. There are blood tests to show heart issues but heart failure is not noticeable until end stages when the heart is so weak that it can't remove blood and fluid anymore, so you just bloat up like a balloon and can barely breathe.
Given he was just weeks away, heart failure seems the one thing that could cause THAT much edema rapidly. That's not a couple cheat meals.
The other could be kidney failure, but he and his team should have been monitoring creatinine and other kidney blood markers to have an idea. Heart failure is different and normal docs won't order echo/electro cardiograms for 29/30 year old guys as it's not protocol. Pro bodybuilders should be getting an echocardiogram, electro, and even an angiogram once a year. But it's hard to get insurance to cover it for a guy in his 20s so its thousands of dollars. There need to be doctors who specifically treat pro bodybuilders and will look at these possibilities.
Like when Dallas McCarver was gasping for air onstage, no one did an echo. He likely died of heart failure, as his autopsy just said the heart stopped, it was not a heart attack. He felt no pain, just couldn't breathe.
Only good news is that while heart failure usually has no cure, it CAN be reversible and ejection fraction restored IF it was secondary to the bodybuilding lifestyle but to risk it again would be very dangerous.
I genuinely hope it's nothing serious and I'm wrong
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The other could be kidney failure, but he and his team should have been monitoring creatinine and other kidney blood markers to have an idea. Heart failure is different and normal docs won't order echo/electro cardiograms for 29/30 year old guys as it's not protocol. Pro bodybuilders should be getting an echocardiogram, electro, and even an angiogram once a year. But it's hard to get insurance to cover it for a guy in his 20s so its thousands of dollars. There need to be doctors who specifically treat pro bodybuilders and will look at these possibilities.
They all preach very regular testing, echos, getting the EF numbers etc, some said even twice a year. Walker is such as specimen he would probably be checked very regularly. I had an EF of 35% with covid and was on Lasix and wasn't allowed to drink water for a while. Docs said your heart's been developing in a bad way for years, this thickening isn't acute but the covid pushed it over the line. I've been at 50 EF for years now. I think tbombz said he was like 25 but now has 65 (if memory serves) and still juicing, just no gh which he blames primarily.
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The reason I suspected heart failure is there is no way to verify heart failure before it's too late as the symptoms will be shortness of breath, fatigue and edema which isn't uncommon in hardcore bodybuilding. The only way to verify heart failure is an echocardiogram/electrocardiogram, to measure ejection fraction and heart strength. There are blood tests to show heart issues but heart failure is not noticeable until end stages when the heart is so weak that it can't remove blood and fluid anymore, so you just bloat up like a balloon and can barely breathe.
Given he was just weeks away, heart failure seems the one thing that could cause THAT much edema rapidly. That's not a couple cheat meals.
The other could be kidney failure, but he and his team should have been monitoring creatinine and other kidney blood markers to have an idea. Heart failure is different and normal docs won't order echo/electro cardiograms for 29/30 year old guys as it's not protocol. Pro bodybuilders should be getting an echocardiogram, electro, and even an angiogram once a year. But it's hard to get insurance to cover it for a guy in his 20s so its thousands of dollars. There need to be doctors who specifically treat pro bodybuilders and will look at these possibilities.
Like when Dallas McCarver was gasping for air onstage, no one did an echo. He likely died of heart failure, as his autopsy just said the heart stopped, it was not a heart attack. He felt no pain, just couldn't breathe.
Only good news is that while heart failure usually has no cure, it CAN be reversible and ejection fraction restored IF it was secondary to the bodybuilding lifestyle but to risk it again would be very dangerous.
I genuinely hope it's nothing serious and I'm wrong
Ok but what caused it then?
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Ok but what caused it then?
dumbest post of the year goes to......
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The reason I suspected heart failure is there is no way to verify heart failure before it's too late as the symptoms will be shortness of breath, fatigue and edema which isn't uncommon in hardcore bodybuilding. The only way to verify heart failure is an echocardiogram/electrocardiogram, to measure ejection fraction and heart strength. There are blood tests to show heart issues but heart failure is not noticeable until end stages when the heart is so weak that it can't remove blood and fluid anymore, so you just bloat up like a balloon and can barely breathe.
Given he was just weeks away, heart failure seems the one thing that could cause THAT much edema rapidly. That's not a couple cheat meals.
The other could be kidney failure, but he and his team should have been monitoring creatinine and other kidney blood markers to have an idea. Heart failure is different and normal docs won't order echo/electro cardiograms for 29/30 year old guys as it's not protocol. Pro bodybuilders should be getting an echocardiogram, electro, and even an angiogram once a year. But it's hard to get insurance to cover it for a guy in his 20s so its thousands of dollars. There need to be doctors who specifically treat pro bodybuilders and will look at these possibilities.
Like when Dallas McCarver was gasping for air onstage, no one did an echo. He likely died of heart failure, as his autopsy just said the heart stopped, it was not a heart attack. He felt no pain, just couldn't breathe.
Only good news is that while heart failure usually has no cure, it CAN be reversible and ejection fraction restored IF it was secondary to the bodybuilding lifestyle but to risk it again would be very dangerous.
I genuinely hope it's nothing serious and I'm wrong
From chocking on a meat ball some said ::)
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From chocking on a meat ball some said ::)
Josh Lenartowitz was in there he has said bagel
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Josh Lenartowitz was in there he has said bagel
Oh, that turns the tables..
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Ban meatballs and bagels.
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Bodybuilders have to be careful thinking that if they have blood tests they are good to go. Typical blood tests are not telling you that your heart is okay. Casey Viator told me all his blood tests were good then had a heart attack a short time later. You need tests like a treadmill EKG. You need scans of your heart to check for thick heart walls. A troponin blood test that shows a recent heart attack isn't done with normal blood work. It's generally done in a hospital if you are in the emergency room with signs of a heart attack. A coronary angiogram is something insurance will cover with cause and not just a wish list check.
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Bodybuilders have to be careful thinking that if they have blood tests they are good to go. Typical blood tests are not telling you that your heart is okay. Casey Viator told me all his blood tests were good then had a heart attack a short time later. You need tests like a treadmill EKG. You need scans of your heart to check for thick heart walls. A troponin blood test that shows a recent heart attack isn't done with normal blood work. It's generally done in a hospital if you are in the emergency room with signs of a heart attack. A coronary angiogram is something insurance will cover with cause and not just a wish list check.
Ok so what is your simple list of test in order of importance then to check the heart ? Kidneys liver? Do you think these guys are doing their daily half hour of cardio?
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Oh, that turns the tables..
When EMT arrived both were naked in awkward positions so bagel or meatballs could be slang and mean anything .
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Bodybuilders have to be careful thinking that if they have blood tests they are good to go. Typical blood tests are not telling you that your heart is okay. Casey Viator told me all his blood tests were good then had a heart attack a short time later. You need tests like a treadmill EKG. You need scans of your heart to check for thick heart walls. A troponin blood test that shows a recent heart attack isn't done with normal blood work. It's generally done in a hospital if you are in the emergency room with signs of a heart attack. A coronary angiogram is something insurance will cover with cause and not just a wish list check.
A coronary angiogram is the best method i know :)
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Nick's gut seriously looks like he's on some sort "My 600 Pound Life" show.
Its " The bunched up under shirt syndrome" ask Bianca he knows all
about it. ;D
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All these + Cedric where heart giving out right?
seems they are all pushing some compound(s?) hard that causes this, wonder what ???
maybe extreme high dose gh compared to 90's guys? I heard gh is alot cheaper today so maybe that's the reason for being able more to push dosages :D
Most the 90's top bb'ers managed not dying and those that had problems where mostly kidneys
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Flatbread pizza and biscuits and gravy.
Biscuits and gravy is the new plazmosis.
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All these + Cedric where heart giving out right?
seems they are all pushing some compound(s?) hard that causes this, wonder what ???
maybe extreme high dose gh compared to 90's guys? I heard gh is alot cheaper today so maybe that's the reason for being able more to push dosages :D
Most the 90's top bb'ers managed not dying and those that had problems where mostly kidneys
Dallas = Choked / heart attack
Shawn = Heart attack
Luke = Suicide
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Isn't his coach the same guy associated with the slew of fitness girls that were dying a year or two ago?
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Ok but what caused it then?
If we are talking about an acute incident where someone obviously needs some type of care immediately with the heart one cause could be pneumonia. Justin Harris claimed recurring pneumonia in older bodybuilders can be a sign of heart failure. I'm not a doctor and can be corrected. That's why it was odd to me Covid didn't claim more bodybuilders
Bodybuilders have to be careful thinking that if they have blood tests they are good to go. Typical blood tests are not telling you that your heart is okay. Casey Viator told me all his blood tests were good then had a heart attack a short time later. You need tests like a treadmill EKG. You need scans of your heart to check for thick heart walls. A troponin blood test that shows a recent heart attack isn't done with normal blood work. It's generally done in a hospital if you are in the emergency room with signs of a heart attack. A coronary angiogram is something insurance will cover with cause and not just a wish list check.
You are probably right with the kind of testing needed. My cardiologist, a guy I liked, dropped dead from a heart attack last year. Maybe sometimes nothing can predict an event?
I had an EKG last week. The nurse said, "wow, your're in X" used some technical term and asked if I had heart pains. When I asked again about the term she said it meant heart attack occurring right then :D
Probably electrodes didn't attach properly due to hair/sweat.
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Do you think these guys are doing their daily half hour of cardio?
Hahahahahahahahahahaha!
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Ok so what is your simple list of test in order of importance then to check the heart ? Kidneys liver? Do you think these guys are doing their daily half hour of cardio?
Lol. You just made my day. Are you trolling?
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holy shit... and I thought I let my waist get too big. wtf
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Dallas = Choked / heart attack
Shawn = Heart attack
Luke = Suicide
Dallas didnt choke, optopsy said heart attack. Choking on food was just a theory/thought becuase there was food scattered around him if I recall right.
Luke suicide yes some speculated but was it really ever confirmed? what is your source then?
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Dallas didnt choke, optopsy said heart attack. Choking on food was just a theory/thought becuase there was food scattered around him if I recall right.
Luke suicide yes some speculated but was it really ever confirmed? what is your source then?
Did you not read my post ??
I said Dallas choked / heart attack- ::)
Open Fact in UK luke was a Suicide.
His training partner found him.
Very sad as luke was doing very well - The dark mental demons are awful.
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better days...
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the real reason nick started crying is because he knows what his asshole is in store for the next year. nick is going to have to go to dubai and sell his asshole to rich oil barons. i bet those sick fucks will watch there camels and goats fuck nick up the ass to while blasting rock the casbah
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Ok so what is your simple list of test in order of importance then to check the heart ? Kidneys liver? Do you think these guys are doing their daily half hour of cardio?
I really believe what Justin Harris said that probably 90% of the detrimental effects of steroids can be avoided if you check your BP all the time and preferably are at about 120/80. I wish I had someone when I started out who really beat it into my head that high BP really does mean bad thingshappen. I'm sure it's impossible to put a percentage on what's most dangerous as steroids will surely affect the heart and kidneys directly.
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I really believe what Justin Harris said that probably 90% of the detrimental effects of steroids can be avoided if you check your BP all the time and preferably are at about 120/80. I wish I had someone when I started out who really beat it into my head that high BP really does mean bad thingshappen. I'm sure it's impossible to put a percentage on what's most dangerous as steroids will surely affect the heart and kidneys directly.
will "high TRT" affect heart to any extent? test cyp 300mg/ew
asking for a friend
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will "high TRT" affect heart to any extent? test cyp 300mg/ew
asking for a friend
I'm not a doctor but with good BP I wouldn't have a worry in the world even knowing sometimes bad stuff happens. Maybe look in Nattokinase and maybe Pycnogenol. I believe a little taurine and creatine could be heart healthy. S-R-Lipoic acid as well but now it's getting expensive :D Edit, actually of ubiquinol was thinking ofThe natto is supposed to be highly recommended for preventing blood clots. If kidneys are a worry astragalus probabmy wont hurt.
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I'm not a doctor but with good BP I wouldn't have a worry in the world even knowing sometimes bad stuff happens. Maybe look in Nattokinase and maybe Pycnogenol. I believe a little taurine and creatine could be heart healthy. S-R-Lipoic acid as well but now it's getting expensive :D The natto is supposed to be highly recommended for preventing blood clots. If kidneys are a worry astragalus probabmy wont hurt.
Thanks for the advices! I will check my BP. Never had high bp as natty even though decently muscular. I think I put on around 5-7kg muscle being on test for what 5-6 months or so now. I did low dose anavar for a short while but dropped that. I thought it made me too vascular(!?). So guessing the anavar made my bp go up abit, but not sure. But test alone I see less vascularity now so I'll just stick to this because I'm still gaining strength/improving lifts
I will look in to the supplements. But first should probably do my blood values and lipid profile to know if it's really an issue from the test
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Thanks for the advices! I will check my BP. Never had high bp as natty even though decently muscular. I think I put on around 5-7kg muscle being on test for what 5-6 months or so now. I did low dose anavar for a short while but dropped that. I thought it made me too vascular(!?). So guessing the anavar made my bp go up abit, but not sure. But test alone I see less vascularity now so I'll just stick to this because I'm still gaining strength/improving lifts
I will look in to the supplements. But first should probably do my blood values and lipid profile to know if it's really an issue from the test
Thw new guidelines say you should be under 120/80, that's the new ideal. I can only speculate but I think keeping it at that can only help your health but I could be wrong. Some natural stuff works a little and thhen you have the drugs. One Indian herbal medicine is called Carditone that is very effective and bodybuilders used to use it alot but now with the medicines why would you.
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Cedric’s wife posted he has been prepping for ASC and got pretty bad Covid.He was advised to drop the prep,but he has said it is only 2 weeks left for the show so he kept going and wanted to take a break right after the show to get better.And he was vaccinated obviously .
Also George Patterson’s cause of dead was never confirmed.Some said he had to drastically lower the weight for 212 ,but Milos has said he saw him on scale at 198 ,so no issue there .
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If we are talking about an acute incident where someone obviously needs some type of care immediately with the heart one cause could be pneumonia. Justin Harris claimed recurring pneumonia in older bodybuilders can be a sign of heart failure. I'm not a doctor and can be corrected. That's why it was odd to me Covid didn't claim more bodybuilders
I think it is more likely that they were misdiagnosed as pneumonia when it was in fact heart failure and not pneumonia, rather than the repeated pneumonias causing the heart failure.
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It is shame that he is out .Such a classic physique and nice lines with top notch V tapper .And awesome posing routine with no ear cupping.
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It is shame that he is out .Such a classic physique and nice lines with top notch V tapper .And awesome posing routine with no ear cupping.
I thought that was Arnold until i adjusted my glasses a bit. ;D
He's the worst BBer in the last 10 years. This is why BBing is dead to anyone who truly appreciates oiled up men in thongs. no homo
I won't even post in his PIP thread when his heart explodes.
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PIP Cankle Heart
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He looks like a shorter squattier version of Kamali !! :(
REGRESSION OF PEACE
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I think it is more likely that they were misdiagnosed as pneumonia when it was in fact heart failure and not pneumonia, rather than the repeated pneumonias causing the heart failure.
I understood it more like the heart failure predisposes you to pneumonias rather than the pneumonia causing heart failure although I'm sure that happens with Covid sometimes even with a healthy heart. Like I said my EF was 35% with Covid and pneumonia and it bounced back but I had LVH previously, like most users.
Another thing. My guess is high doses of GH is probably pretty triggering for heart failure. It's so cheap now so guys use a lot.
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Dallas didnt choke, optopsy said heart attack. Choking on food was just a theory/thought becuase there was food scattered around him if I recall right.
Luke suicide yes some speculated but was it really ever confirmed? what is your source then?
Chocking can cause you a heart attack or the other way around. What came first is unknown.
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Thw new guidelines say you should be under 120/80, that's the new ideal. I can only speculate but I think keeping it at that can only help your health but I could be wrong. Some natural stuff works a little and thhen you have the drugs. One Indian herbal medicine is called Carditone that is very effective and bodybuilders used to use it alot but now with the medicines why would you.
120/80 has been the ideal for at least 50 years I can remember, its something we learned at school
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120/80 has been the ideal for at least 50 years I can remember, its something we learned at school
I used to always be a consistant 120/70 now it varies a bit, but it`s usually around that or lower.
Too bad the rest of me is fucked!
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120/80 has been the ideal for at least 50 years I can remember, its something we learned at school
Apparently it has varied by country, a few years ago I read on lef.org that "new" US guidelines were 120/80 but it hadn't filtered down to all practitioners and especially not everywhere in Europe. I asked nurses and they said they never heard of it, they always say for example that my 135/80 is great or perfect lol. Apparently 140 has been some type of limit here.
For example, from google:
One of the most important novelties was the change in the definition of HTN by the American guidelines to a blood pressure ≥130/80 mm Hg. The European guidelines, however, maintained the same classification of BP categories and kept the definition of HTN at 140/90 mm Hg and above
But I believe you that your info was a bit different
Here's what LEF.org says:
"Life Extension has long warned that blood pressure exceeding 115/75 mm Hg can be deadly."
https://www.lifeextension.com/protocols/heart-circulatory/high-blood-pressure
Lef is obviously a supplement seller but they recommend some drugs too. I'm positive the Telmisartan craze in bodybuilding started from some reading this:
https://www.lifeextension.com/magazine/2015/3/best-drug-to-treat-hypertension?srsltid=AfmBOoozm9qPyLnz1kbTjrCBWrfaDo8LGW65B1A1jiuWKK8sf8CfwYYu
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"Life Extension has long warned that blood pressure exceeding 115/75 mm Hg can be deadly."
I bet a dollar to a pinch of shit they invest in pharma companies that make BP meds.
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I think it is more likely that they were misdiagnosed as pneumonia when it was in fact heart failure and not pneumonia, rather than the repeated pneumonias causing the heart failure.
Exactly. Pneumonia is not a virus, it's not contagious, just means you can't breathe and you're lungs are filling up with fluid, which is exactly what happens in heart failure. But in men under 50 that are athletic, heart failure is not standard protocol to look for by "normal" doctors so they assume it's a virus causing the pneumonia
. Many of these guys saying they "got" pneumonia before a show may have been suffering from heart failure which then resolves after the show. Again, "normal" docs would never know this as heart failure has no cure, normally you're doomed UNLESS it's from bodybuilding. EF should be a vital protocol for gurus. Keep it above say 30 while you're really slamming gear then go off and recover. But what a dangerous way to live.
This is why it's so vital to have doctors that know bodybuilding. If you're in heart failure and get an arrythmia, the doc might schedule an ablation, and even insert a pacemaker, not realizing once you go off gear it will resolve.
Like the old Milos story about Benaziza getting killed by "normal" docs as they didn't understand bodybuilding and potassium sparing diuretics..
The bodybuilding community desperately needs docs that understand bodybuilding. Unfortunately Howard Elkin, the only cardiologist specializing in bodybuilders just died of heart failure...... 8 :P
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It is shame that he is out .Such a classic physique and nice lines with top notch V tapper .And awesome posing routine with no ear cupping.
There’s NO excuse … For a top competitive bodybuilder, this is ATROCIOUS.
The more I think about the Nick deal, the more I am convinced. …
He is done.
I feel for him. Genuinely. But he pushed too hard and from now on his body will rebel against all his tried-and-true “protocols”.
His window was two or three years ago. The window’s now shut.
Timing in this scene is everything.
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According to this guy, heavy GH and insulin blew out his gut:
i=KnR48VQ0N3XM7L0d
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Apparently it has varied by country, a few years ago I read on lef.org that "new" US guidelines were 120/80 but it hadn't filtered down to all practitioners and especially not everywhere in Europe. I asked nurses and they said they never heard of it, they always say for example that my 135/80 is great or perfect lol. Apparently 140 has been some type of limit here.
For example, from google:
One of the most important novelties was the change in the definition of HTN by the American guidelines to a blood pressure ≥130/80 mm Hg. The European guidelines, however, maintained the same classification of BP categories and kept the definition of HTN at 140/90 mm Hg and above
But I believe you that your info was a bit different
Here's what LEF.org says:
"Life Extension has long warned that blood pressure exceeding 115/75 mm Hg can be deadly."
https://www.lifeextension.com/protocols/heart-circulatory/high-blood-pressure
Lef is obviously a supplement seller but they recommend some drugs too. I'm positive the Telmisartan craze in bodybuilding started from some reading this:
https://www.lifeextension.com/magazine/2015/3/best-drug-to-treat-hypertension?srsltid=AfmBOoozm9qPyLnz1kbTjrCBWrfaDo8LGW65B1A1jiuWKK8sf8CfwYYu
Blood pressure can also vary with age
https://www.nia.nih.gov/health/high-blood-pressure/high-blood-pressure-and-older-adults
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Walker is very comparable to Derek Anthony towards the end of his days with the bloated face and out of control mid section. I suspect kidney issues with Walker and possible dialysis in his future.
- Block!
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"I've just been on the go go go go and it's finally caught up"
Why is anybody talking about fake gear when he says that in the video?
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According to this guy, heavy GH and insulin blew out his gut:
i=KnR48VQ0N3XM7L0d
It's no secret. Those who stay on test and derivatives only do not get turtle abs.
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Walker is very comparable to Derek Anthony towards the end of his days with the bloated face and out of control mid section. I suspect kidney issues with Walker and possible dialysis in his future.
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Are the blown out bellies from kidneys failing? what is it that blows out the bellies then?
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Are the blown out bellies from kidneys failing? what is it that blows out the bellies then?
I believe it's a myriad of factors, not just this or that. GH, insulin and the overeating sure play the biggest part. Having a busted liver and faulty kidneys surely doesn't help.
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Are the blown out bellies from kidneys failing? what is it that blows out the bellies then?
could be liver cancer/failure
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Are the blown out bellies from kidneys failing? what is it that blows out the bellies then?
Could be.
Internal organs will begin to swell when they are diseased or other organs start failing.
When kidneys start to go, fluid starts to back up affecting other organs.
The combination of fluids, enlarged organs, overeating and excessive gear use all contribute.
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Could be.
Internal organs will begin to swell when they are diseased or other organs start failing.
When kidneys start to go, fluid starts to back up affecting other organs.
The combination of fluids, enlarged organs, overeating and excessive gear use all contribute.
yeah I think fluid build up is a good theory. It coincides with many bb'ers that had kidneys fail they also started getting the pregnant look with abs. But IDK,,, just had sort of aha-moment when someone mentioned it could be because of kidney failure.
there's a studie showing this aswell where they investigated the relationship between waist to hip ratio and kidney failure
short; https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130411194033.htm#:~:text=People%20with%20apple%2Dshaped%20bodies%20tend%20to%20have%20lower%20kidney,bodies%20to%20develop%20kidney%20disease.
https://journals.lww.com/jasn/fulltext/2013/06000/central_body_fat_distribution_associates_with.18.aspx
But yeah multi factoral likely. Some may be from other causes like organ growth etc.
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my dog had a tumour on his liver, his stomach kept filling up with a bile like fluid.
we had it drained a couple times but it just kept coming back
PIP
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my dog had a tumour on his liver, his stomach kept filling up with a bile like fluid.
we had it drained a couple times but it just kept coming back
PIP
the liver seems less of an issue for bodybuilders as it's been shown. Very few bodybuilders died from liver failure(if any really?)
Also the liver has ability to recover from damage when kidneys do not. This is my understanding.
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the liver seems less of an issue for bodybuilders as it's been shown. Very few bodybuilders died from liver failure(if any really?)
Also the liver has ability to recover from damage when kidneys do not This is my understanding.
If it is a stressed liver then lets hope he heeds the warning
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Specifics don’t really matter. Not as far as bodybuilding discussion is concerned.
Dude’s body is in chaos and systems are “going off line”.
To suggest his going-going-going lifestyle this past year is the (ultimate) culprit is imbecilic.
These donuts mess with their physiology to an alarming degree.
As so many say, high-level bodybuilding has become a contest of Who Can Survive the Longest.
Nick is a young man who, at best, has shaved decades from his life expectancy.
Mark my words. If he doesn’t give it up, he’s doomed.
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I heard he wanted to compete, but his heart wasn’t in it…..
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Nick is a warrior, he will show up at the Olympia in a wheelchair with his portable dialysis machine connected.
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Nick is a warrior, he will show up at the Olympia in a wheelchair with his portable dialysis machine connected.
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He’s got all he needs in an easy to swallow capsule
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Just watched Greg Doucette’s video from several days ago re: Walker dropping out of the O.
;D
Fortress was howling with laughter.
Dude eviscerates Dick Knocker.
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Just watched Greg Doucette’s video from several days ago re: Walker dropping out of the O.
;D
Fortress was howling with laughter.
Dude eviscerates Dick Knocker.
I think I recently saw a clip of Greg at some party or whorehouse where his behaviour is a bit weird? ;D
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I'd like to see Nick Walker choke the life out of Greg Douchette.
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I like Doucette.
His screeching bark is hilarious. To me.
As with everything, it’s subjective.
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yeah I think fluid build up is a good theory. It coincides with many bb'ers that had kidneys fail they also started getting the pregnant look with abs. But IDK,,, just had sort of aha-moment when someone mentioned it could be because of kidney failure.
there's a studie showing this aswell where they investigated the relationship between waist to hip ratio and kidney failure
short; https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130411194033.htm#:~:text=People%20with%20apple%2Dshaped%20bodies%20tend%20to%20have%20lower%20kidney,bodies%20to%20develop%20kidney%20disease.
https://journals.lww.com/jasn/fulltext/2013/06000/central_body_fat_distribution_associates_with.18.aspx
But yeah multi factoral likely. Some may be from other causes like organ growth etc.
Check "ascites" maybe. I think Big Lenny must have had that for years.
Now liver worries are rare with PEDs, because where are all the wrecked livers?
A la Romano ;D
I've had good liver panels on lots of Anadrol or a combination of orals. Not saying roids aren't potentially liver killers, my worry is more the benign cysts that more people have without realising. That's my guess, it's more common than people realise because they can be symptom free. Peliosis hepatitis.
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I like Doucette.
His screeching bark is hilarious. To me.
As with everything, it’s subjective.
You want to curb-stomp whiny Schwimmer, yet you like screechy Doucette.
Strong Canadian bias here…..
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You want to curb-stomp whiny Schwimmer, yet you like screechy Doucette.
Strong Canadian bias here…..
Huh?
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Was Nick on the stage awarding someone and also got a chance to hit most muscular in tight polo shirt following ear cup??
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Huh?
I’m just messing with you. I was saying that Doucette is equally as annnoying as the Schwim, but since he’s Canadian, you give him a pass.
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Could be.
Internal organs will begin to swell when they are diseased or other organs start failing.
When kidneys start to go, fluid starts to back up affecting other organs.
The combination of fluids, enlarged organs, overeating and excessive gear use all contribute.
Only small inconveniences, definitely worth the 6 dollar China made plastic trophy.
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Only small inconveniences, definitely worth the 6 dollar China made plastic trophy.
600k 1st place
pretty life changing I'd say.
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To suggest his going-going-going lifestyle this past year is the (ultimate) culprit is imbecilic.
I didn't get that from him at all.
I got that as him slipping up and saying he has been blasting gear all year and it has caught up.
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Dick Calker is all talk. Misses 2 Olympias in a row while he turns into a turtle-belly.
He has let BHanks down! (BHanks must be crushed about his hero).
Massive amounts of drugs, food and buffoonery, will cut this clowns life short.
Thank god he has lots of "likes" and "followers" ::)
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His Instagram updates were always freaky because every time he looked bigger than last, always at his peak lbm. Never any downtime.
But even without extreme drugs and no known health problems it's not unusual for bodybuilders to say their body stopped responding especially when doing shows back to back. Sometimes they say overall stress is the reason, including mental stress. Didn't Jansen say he needed to amend certain relationships or did I dream it? ;D
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His Instagram updates were always freaky because every time he looked bigger than last, always at his peak lbm. Never any downtime.
But even without extreme drugs and no known health problems it's not unusual for bodybuilders to say their body stopped responding especially when doing shows back to back. Sometimes they say overall stress is the reason, including mental stress. Didn't Jansen say he needed to amend certain relationships or did I dream it? ;D
competing and doing multiple shows is indeed taxing and yes your body does stop responding
I did around 8 shows between Nov 22 and Nov 23 and by the last two shows no matter what I did I couldnt get the right look, my body was drained and flat and what I was taking wasnt working anymore, I dieted for 15 months.
I have had a year since and my body is back to normal after clearing myself out and eating like a normal person again
Compared to the effort I put in that year compared to what I do now my body isnt a million miles away, certainly not worth doing what I was doing before for that small advantage.
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competing and doing multiple shows is indeed taxing and yes your body does stop responding
I did around 8 shows between Nov 22 and Nov 23 and by the last two shows no matter what I did I couldnt get the right look, my body was drained and flat and what I was taking wasnt working anymore, I dieted for 15 months.
I have had a year since and my body is back to normal after clearing myself out and eating like a normal person again
Compared to the effort I put in that year compared to what I do now my body isnt a million miles away, certainly not worth doing what I was doing before for that small advantage.
The only sentiment I share with this asshole. He also mentioned he is using less around 200mg? eating normal and barely lost a thing in another thread and that shows were not really worth it. I agree it is not worth the stress on the body although I do have one Master Nationals in me.
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The only sentiment I share with this asshole. He also mentioned he is using less around 200mg? eating normal and barely lost a thing in another thread and that shows were not really worth it. I agree it is not worth the stress on the body although I do have one Master Nationals in me.
hahaha you only dieted a week and shit and pissed out water, WTF do you know about contest prep being stressful?
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The only sentiment I share with this asshole. He also mentioned he is using less around 200mg? eating normal and barely lost a thing in another thread and that shows were not really worth it. I agree it is not worth the stress on the body although I do have one Master Nationals in me.
I thought you were getting your pec fixed, bulking to 250 then coming back with a Bhang?
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The only sentiment I share with this asshole. He also mentioned he is using less around 200mg? eating normal and barely lost a thing in another thread and that shows were not really worth it. I agree it is not worth the stress on the body although I do have one Master Nationals in me.
Competing is definitely worth trying, or doing consistantly, as long as you do a real prep lasting more than a week,do not take 54 IU`s of GH the night before the contest,realize what level you are on,avoid eating large cans of Spaghetti O`s to carb up with, and do more than 3-8 sets per bodypart per workout,practice your posing and know your mandatory poses,avoid cartoon dogs,learn how to drop water,etc. etc. etc.
You will be demolished at the Masters Nationals............not being a prick,but if you have one more contest in (as if you did a million of them for decades.....OH BROTHER),try your local show.
Anyone would be disappointed and disillusioned if they did the dumb shit you do that you call a pre-contest prep.
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Was Nick on the stage awarding someone and also got a chance to hit most muscular in tight polo shirt following ear cup??
This might sound random, but for some reason this bit made me actually legit LOL ;D
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I’m just messing with you. I was saying that Doucette is equally as annnoying as the Schwim, but since he’s Canadian, you give him a pass.
I absolutely did not know he’s a Canuck.
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This might sound random, but for some reason this bit made me actually legit LOL ;D
I also had a chuckle.
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I did around eight shows between November 22 and November 23.
That is a lot of shows in one day.
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That is a lot of shows in one day.
;D ;D
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competing and doing multiple shows is indeed taxing and yes your body does stop responding
I did around 8 shows between Nov 22 and Nov 23 and by the last two shows no matter what I did I couldnt get the right look, my body was drained and flat and what I was taking wasnt working anymore, I dieted for 15 months.
I have had a year since and my body is back to normal after clearing myself out and eating like a normal person again
Compared to the effort I put in that year compared to what I do now my body isnt a million miles away, certainly not worth doing what I was doing before for that small advantage.
Although I'm not a competitor, but just from observing others I think it's a mistake to do "warm-up shows" where you're not trying to hit your peak because the first shows aren't that important, because it pretty rarely happens that a competitor improves by a lot as the competitive season advances. And think about the mental impact of say placing 5th instead of winning or placing 2nd... it will wreck your confidence, even if the placing was mostly due to conditioning. But if you won that first show I think the high from winniing can carry you through the competitive season much better. IMHO. I don't know how joswift or other competitors here feel about this but I feel you should aim to hit your absolute peak for the first show! Lol.
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Although I'm not a competitor, but just from observing others I think it's a mistake to do "warm-up shows" where you're not trying to hit your peak because the first shows aren't that important, because it pretty rarely happens that a competitor improves by a lot as the competitive season advances. And think about the mental impact of say placing 5th instead of winning or placing 2nd... it will wreck your confidence, even if the placing was mostly due to conditioning. But if you won that first show I think the high from winniing can carry you through the competitive season much better. IMHO. I don't know how joswift or other competitors here feel about this but I feel you should aim to hit your absolute peak for the first show! Lol.
As you said your not a competitor -
Warm up shows are done for many different reasons - not winning
may not be a problem depending on what their reason was for competing,
mentally it shouldn't affect them as IT IS a warm up show.
Very Different from a qualifier show where they Must Win.
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As you said your not a competitor -
Warm up shows are done for many different reasons - not winning
may not be a problem depending on what their reason was for competing,
mentally it shouldn't affect them as IT IS a warm up show.
Very Different from a qualifier show where they Must Win.
Yes but let's say the guys who beat him also compete in the other shows. Judges remember. So you're fighting out of a deficit. ;D
And for some reason even if you treat it as just a warm-up it seems to take a lot out of competitors and they usually, not always, don't get better. I've seen guys say they don't take diuretics for the first show or know they have a few weeks more dieting to peak. But losing often leaves an impression in competitors and judges minds. Many or most of the champs would never have gotten on stage at anything other than their best, for example Dorian. Losing never looks good on paper ;D
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Yes but let's say the guys who beat him also compete in the other shows. Judges remember. So you're fighting out of a deficit. ;D
And for some reason even if you treat it as just a warm-up it seems to take a lot out of competitors and they usually, not always, don't get better. I've seen guys say they don't take diuretics for the first show or know they have a few weeks more dieting to peak. But losing often leaves an impression in competitors and judges minds. Many or most of the champs would never have gotten on stage at anything other than their best, for example Dorian. Losing never looks good on paper ;D
Like I said not being a competitor & knowing what it takes to get into
proper contest condition your speaking from a disadvantaged point.
Also I'm not Talking Top tier Competitors although very clearly there
have been many competing far from their best for whatever reason.
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Although I'm not a competitor, but just from observing others I think it's a mistake to do "warm-up shows" where you're not trying to hit your peak because the first shows aren't that important, because it pretty rarely happens that a competitor improves by a lot as the competitive season advances. And think about the mental impact of say placing 5th instead of winning or placing 2nd... it will wreck your confidence, even if the placing was mostly due to conditioning. But if you won that first show I think the high from winniing can carry you through the competitive season much better. IMHO. I don't know how joswift or other competitors here feel about this but I feel you should aim to hit your absolute peak for the first show! Lol.
My placings were varied, I won the UK final in 22, I won my area qualifier in 23, I placed 4th in an open classic class, I was unplaced at two organisations finals, I placed 3rd in the Mr England which qualified me for the Universe where I was unplaced, my last show was the UK final again in 23 where I placed 4th
I could have enetered my age group in a PCA show but did the classic because I wanted to stand with some classic guys to compare myself.
I have no delusions about my limitations, Im an area qualifier win standard, Britain maybe top six , Universe maybe top 6 depending on the standard
My main aims were to win the UK , win the qualifier and place at the Britain and qualify for the Universe
I did three out of four.
By the Universe and the UK in 23 I was burned out, I didnt even tan properly for the last show
I forgot why I started this now ;D
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My placings were varied, I won the UK final in 22, I won my area qualifier in 23, I placed 4th in an open classic class, I was unplaced at two organisations finals, I placed 3rd in the Mr England which qualified me for the Universe where I was unplaced, my last show was the UK final again in 23 where I placed 4th
I could have enetered my age group in a PCA show but did the classic because I wanted to stand with some classic guys to compare myself.
I have no delusions about my limitations, Im an area qualifier win standard, Britain maybe top six , Universe maybe top 6 depending on the standard
My main aims were to win the UK , win the qualifier and place at the Britain and qualify for the Universe
I did three out of four.
By the Universe and the UK in 23 I was burned out, I didnt even tan properly for the last show
I forgot why I started this now ;D
Impressive nevertheless