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ESFitness used to, evidenced by multiple abscesses.
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i got pretty good at it about 15-16 years ago.. zero pain, never an abscess.. did test e at 200mg, deca at 200, tren at around 80... i had a blast lol.. i used to brew component th for tren.. that golden color was great... grape seed oil, 2% ba, 20% bb... had all the beakers n filters haha. my kitchen was spotless and clean too, not like these fuckin slobs.. i even wore a mask n gloves... saran wrap on counter.
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Back when I was in college, 2002, I made tren from a finakit I bought offline and a packet of Finaplex H I bought from Southern States feed store. I made 6 kits and used one for myself. Sold the others to my buddies. Only time I ever took tren and it worked great and the gear didn’t hurt or make me sick.
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ESFitness used to, evidenced by multiple abscesses.
knew this was gonna come up quick lol.
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The guy that kinda made it famous, Basskiller, died a few months ago. Before that guys like Pat Arnold, Bill Roberts, Bruce Kneller, and a few others tried to school people in doing it correctly, but it didn't take for most. Basskiller had it, plus the tools in a easy package.
The funny one with Finaplex was the guys that would just grind it up, and dump it in DMSO, then saran wrap themselves after they got a good paste coverage.
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Basically every UGL.
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ESFitness used to, evidenced by multiple abscesses.
Haha.
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I would've loved to have done it but I just never wanted the headache of importing the powders. Only reason. Easy to do the brewing. You could save SO much :D
I'm not positive, but I don't think abscesses from gear are due to bacteria in the product if made as instructed. The filter is supposed to take care of that, the alcohol prevents bacteria from growing and so on. I don't know what all factors cause abscesses but maybe a poor immune system could have something to do with it? Excessive alcohols could cause cellulitis I think. It's amazing I never had an abscess if black market gear is as dirty as many assume.
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The guy that kinda made it famous, Basskiller, died a few months ago. Before that guys like Pat Arnold, Bill Roberts, Bruce Kneller, and a few others tried to school people in doing it correctly, but it didn't take for most. Basskiller had it, plus the tools in a easy package.
The funny one with Finaplex was the guys that would just grind it up, and dump it in DMSO, then saran wrap themselves after they got a good paste coverage.
I remember in Muscle Media Dan Duchaine writing about Finaplix and saying something like, I'm debating with myself whether I should tell everyone how to easily turn it into an injectable. I don't know if he felt some type of responsibility or what or if he didn't know if you could put a recipe in a magazine ??? :D
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I remember in Muscle Media Dan Duchaine writing about Finaplix and saying something like, I'm debating with myself whether I should tell everyone how to easily turn it into an injectable. I don't know if he felt some type of responsibility or what or if he didn't know if you could put a recipe in a magazine ??? :D
The pellets were like $37 for a cycle worth and the kit was $25. It was the strongest compound I ever used, although I only did four cycles.
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The guy that kinda made it famous, Basskiller, died a few months ago. Before that guys like Pat Arnold, Bill Roberts, Bruce Kneller, and a few others tried to school people in doing it correctly, but it didn't take for most. Basskiller had it, plus the tools in a easy package.
The funny one with Finaplex was the guys that would just grind it up, and dump it in DMSO, then saran wrap themselves after they got a good paste coverage.
Basskiller was a good dude.....I had no idea he died.
RIP Iron Brother :(
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The pellets were like $37 for a cycle worth and the kit was $25. It was the strongest compound I ever used, although I only did four cycles.
I believe you. I did wonder what the actual yield was with the kit, some claimed you got pretty much all the hormone out of it and others said it was much less. It would matter if wanting to know actual dosage of the cycle.
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My buddy and I used to do it about 25 years ago.
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I believe you. I did wonder what the actual yield was with the kit, some claimed you got pretty much all the hormone out of it and others said it was much less. It would matter if wanting to know actual dosage of the cycle.
The way it worked out, it was a 20ml bottle and you did MWF injections and they were 75mg each so 225wk.
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The way it worked out, it was a 20ml bottle and you did MWF injections and they were 75mg each so 225wk.
Yes but I wonder whether you could trust how much hormone was in each ml of final product. If the kit promised almost 100% yield buy in reality it was just 60% that could be a problem, depending on how you see it, some just care about it "working." Some were worried that there would be some gunk or glue in the finished product but I doubt that would have been worrisome as the pellets were meant to be injected into animals.
Craig Titus said on bb.com that "the yellow stuff they inject is not real tren." :D
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The guy that kinda made it famous, Basskiller, died a few months ago. Before that guys like Pat Arnold, Bill Roberts, Bruce Kneller, and a few others tried to school people in doing it correctly, but it didn't take for most. Basskiller had it, plus the tools in a easy package.
The funny one with Finaplex was the guys that would just grind it up, and dump it in DMSO, then saran wrap themselves after they got a good paste coverage.
I thought that guy Animal was the one who made it famous? Or was he just the one to popularize the conversion kits? (this period was before my time).
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The old timers that were around during that period have some tales that are interesting to say the least.
They talk about days of buying homemade fina from a guy that was a big supplier in the NC/SC, TN, AL, GA, and N FL. It came in 20ml test tubes with a rubber stopper on top. Like you see in high school labs or similar to the vials that doctors use to collect your blood for your lab work. Two stories I have heard that stand out :
1- A young guy was buying the stuff and after a couple weeks came into the gym selling off all his gear and swearing he would never touch it again. He said he could not take the pain from the shot. They thought it was post injection pain, but it wasn't. It was the actual shot itself. He showed places on his shoulder and even pulled his shorts down and showed the guys the condition his ass was in where it looked like he had been stabbed. This dude was so dumb. He was taking an 18g needle and pushing it through the thick red stopper, drawing up his dose and then using the SAME needle that was as sharp as a knitting yarn needle at that point, injecting it into himself. He never thought to change needles for a fresh one or even just take the rubber stopper off. They said his ass was moon cratered and had horrible discolored lumps on it.
2- The same guy selling Fina also started selling a kind of "white-ish" mix that was made from Ralgro (sp?) that was supposed to be just as strong as Fina and even more anabolic. It was cheaper too. A bunch of guys bought it up and they started gaining weight like crazy. Thing is, it was body weight in addition to muscle. And they started developing guts. This was before GH/insulin guts were a thing. After a couple of months, they all panicked and stopped using it and went on super strict diets but could not shed the midsection bulge. They were doing extreme fasting, zero carb, high cardio, etc.. all the fat burning and fat loss methods that usually worked and nothing would take that bulge off. They ended up with ripped arms and legs, but a soft fatty bulge that was like a super gunt on them. One of the guys was named Jim, and he had owned some gyms at one point and later moved into a position with ABB distributing their products around Atlanta and N GA. He was one of the guys that suffered from this. I knew him personally from coming the gym to work out sometimes after unloading his van up front and it always looked like he was smuggling a neck pillow under his shirt. And that was from using the stuff about 20 years prior.
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Yes but I wonder whether you could trust how much hormone was in each ml of final product. If the kit promised almost 100% yield buy in reality it was just 60% that could be a problem, depending on how you see it, some just care about it "working." Some were worried that there would be some gunk or glue in the finished product but I doubt that would have been worrisome as the pellets were meant to be injected into animals.
Craig Titus said on bb.com that "the yellow stuff they inject is not real tren." :D
I made one of those kits 20 years it was the most powerful thing I’ve ever taken.
Not the kind product you take and wonder if the process was successful when you have what feels like super human strength. I am naturally weak so using 100lb dumbbells was foreign to me until I took it.
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LNM, Ralgro was synthetic estrogen. I bet most guys taking it didn't even bother looking up what it was. Yes, they are that stupid. Though it's not completely out of the question an athlete might benefit in some situation, I mean taking unknown substances is stupid. It's banned in sports of course. Duchaine mentioned it.
There was also a pellet with both tren and estrogen which some guys used and claimed worked well but I think there was a way to separate out the estrogen but some didn't bother.
Tren itself can actually make the stomach swell up. Unsure of the mechanism(s). It's also pretty common to cause acid reflux, particularly as you get older.
In the 90s it wasn't uncommon here guys would have problems getting injection tools so thick needle use, reusing needles even on occasion happened. My buddy did a 12 week cycle with the same needle but he said he had no problems. Now we order needles from Denmark but through carelessness I've run out and shot with an 18g and it's not been bad actually, it just looks intimidating.
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LNM, Ralgro was synthetic estrogen. I bet most guys taking it didn't even bother looking up what it was. Yes, they are that stupid. Though it's not completely out of the question an athlete might benefit in some situation, I mean taking unknown substances is stupid. It's banned in sports of course. Duchaine mentioned it.
There was also a pellet with both tren and estrogen which some guys used and claimed worked well but I think there was a way to separate out the estrogen but some didn't bother.
Tren itself can actually make the stomach swell up. Unsure of the mechanism(s). It's also pretty common to cause acid reflux, particularly as you get older.
In the 90s it wasn't uncommon here guys would have problems getting injection tools so thick needle use, reusing needles even on occasion happened. My buddy did a 12 week cycle with the same needle but he said he had no problems. Now we order needles from Denmark but through carelessness I've run out and shot with an 18g and it's not been bad actually, it just looks intimidating.
always got real bad heartburn from it
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I thought that guy Animal was the one who made it famous? Or was he just the one to popularize the conversion kits? (this period was before my time).
He came a bit later.
First mention I can find online is 1995. It's basically Duchaine, Bill Roberts, Pat Arnold, Bruce Kneller, and a few others telling people about Finiplix, and giving people the general idea how it might be converted. Duchaine mentioned doing conversions on Syvonex, Ralgro, and other vet drugs with Tony Fitton (big strength coach and big early-mid 80's steroid dealer) back in the early 80s.
Conversions of other vet drugs were mentioned in the late 90's, but most people skipped them because they were nervous about getting rid of the estrogen, etc..... Vet drugs are usually AAS and Estrogen mixes (or similar) both to discourage bodybuilders and because those type of mixes cause the best growth in livestock.
Anyway, Basskiller was the first to offer "one-size-fits-all" type kits for the vet drugs and later powders. He sold you instructions, glassware, filters, etc.... at one place. Duchaine, Arnold, and the other guys wanted you to do some leg work, and learn some science, etc...
There was some ambivalence when he first started it, some guys were mad because he was selling stuff that was already known, and not making people learn some of the basic science. Others were like "At least these dummy will have a decent enough guide to it."
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It’s a trap. Funk is collecting these informations to report it to his buddy Donald Trump.
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It’s a trap. Funk is collecting these informations to report it to his buddy Donald Trump.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Will UGLs have to raise their prices because they have to pay a higher tariff on powders? I assume whatever they mislabel it as when they export it will be subject to the new tariffs.
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I would've loved to have done it but I just never wanted the headache of importing the powders. Only reason. Easy to do the brewing. You could save SO much :D
I'm not positive, but I don't think abscesses from gear are due to bacteria in the product if made as instructed. The filter is supposed to take care of that, the alcohol prevents bacteria from growing and so on. I don't know what all factors cause abscesses but maybe a poor immune system could have something to do with it? Excessive alcohols could cause cellulitis I think. It's amazing I never had an abscess if black market gear is as dirty as many assume.
I’ve used lots of gear made without using filters ( white man’s way) and I’ve never had an abscess
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I’ve used lots of gear made without using filters ( white man’s way) and I’ve never had an abscess
Why no filters? Too time consuming or laborious? I assume you baked for sterility? I think I read somewhere UG labs use some type of pneumatic pumps when mass producing. One fella said he's been so careful with UG gear that he always filtered and baked branded products he bought, even pharma gear he wasn't positive was legit. And even baked US Rx testosterone from the pharmacy to make it less painful.
I got a shitload of a painful batch of gear for free a while ago. Have tried baking it without much success. Shame to throw it away as it's potent otherwise. Shooting low volumes. Some kind of issue with China testosterones, painful raws for some reason.
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Why no filters? Too time consuming or laborious? I assume you baked for sterility? I think I read somewhere UG labs use some type of pneumatic pumps when mass producing. One fella said he's been so careful with UG gear that he always filtered and baked branded products he bought, even pharma gear he wasn't positive was legit. And even baked US Rx testosterone from the pharmacy to make it less painful.
I got a shitload of a painful batch of gear for free a while ago. Have tried baking it without much success. Shame to throw it away as it's potent otherwise. Shooting low volumes. Some kind of issue with China testosterones, painful raws for some reason.
I should have clarified: I’ve bought gear that was brewed without filters
I’ve never cooked myself
20 years ago I watched a guy who had a resemblance to a young Everlast “rapper”
He was benching 405 for 20 on the smith machine
Anyways I got to talkin to him and said he cruised year round
I went over to his house while he was brewin and I said no filters?
His answer “ fuck no, white mans way”
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I should have clarified: I’ve bought gear that was brewed without filters
I’ve never cooked myself
20 years ago I watched a guy who had a resemblance to a young Everlast “rapper”
He was benching 405 for 20 on the smith machine
Anyways I got to talkin to him and said he cruised year round
I went over to his house while he was brewin and I said no filters?
His answer “ fuck no, white mans way”
That’s crazy strong.
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That’s crazy strong.
A weak set for him was only getting 15 reps with that weight
I don’t remember all of his gear
He said: At peak use per week
7grams of test
4 grams deca
150 grams tren Ace ed
12 iu’s ed
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I`ve got quite a bit of a variety of gear that I was gonna` use for my last show until the bottom fell out.
Gonna` try to sell it to this kid I met at the gym who is a C.O. who just started using a while back cuz I`ll never use it again. :(
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I thought this thread was about history:
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I remember tales of the OG on the UGL scene IP that was making mixes people had never heard of before. High dose multi compound brews. Dude had a product called Rocket Fuel and you either loved it or you got an abscess. There was no middle ground here. And there seemed to be an equal number of people in both camps. Which is saying a lot for the number of abscesses that were developing.
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I remember tales of the OG on the UGL scene IP that was making mixes people had never heard of before. High dose multi compound brews. Dude had a product called Rocket Fuel and you either loved it or you got an abscess. There was no middle ground here. And there seemed to be an equal number of people in both camps. Which is saying a lot for the number of abscesses that were developing.
I never used IP's oils but I know his list had instructions, "heat oil on spoon." A bit suboptimal from a safety standpoint.
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I never used IP's oils but I know his list had instructions, "heat oil on spoon." A bit suboptimal from a safety standpoint.
I've seen an old list where he instructed to "crash tablets in mouth before swallowing"
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I've seen an old list where he instructed to "crash tablets in mouth before swallowing"
Haha yes, "crash." They thought they were maybe too tightly pressed and wouldn't dissolve properly. I know the Anadrols and Winstrols were potent.
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strango was the best..... hands down.