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This is why i still tell people to work upper chest as you age, Bill Kazmaier is a legend in weight lifting but look now at his chest.
Incline press & flys are king later on.
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Didn’t Kaz just have an organ transplant? I wonder how much his body changed when he stopped using a massive amount of PED’s.
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Didn’t Kaz just have an organ transplant? I wonder how much his body changed when he stopped using a massive amount of PED’s.
ageing has nothing to do with drugs & the most guys like him concentrated for most of their careers on flat benches.
Incline at a low angle is much more productive
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Kaz is fat.
He probably doesn't workout much.
The guy is no (blank).
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Kaz is fat.
He probably doesn't workout much.
The guy is no (blank).
to be fair it´s an old video but it does show how the over use of the flat press produces a heavy lower chest.
Rather than the flat press i would rather see more decline presses if anything or parallel bar dips.
My comment however is about ageing & sagging chests ( Arnold is a great example )
I use only Incline Presses & incline flys now.
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Incline db chest press is the only chest movement one needs to do. If I was doing a second it would be the high cable crossover.
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Incline db chest press is the only chest movement one needs to do. If I was doing a second it would be the high cable crossover.
Good call robo :)
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pecs dont press up they press down
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pecs dont press up they press down
Gravity dictates ;)
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All of us look shittier as we age regardless the exercises we perform. Staying thin helps a little.
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All of us look shittier as we age regardless the exercises we perform. Staying thin helps a little.
Joswift is correct in some ways but the fact is a sagging chest is mostly a result of a heavy bench press career.
regardless of opinions from so called experts the upper chest is still relivant
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Joswift is correct in some ways but the fact is a sagging chest is mostly a result of a heavy bench press career.
regardless of opinions from so called experts the upper chest is still relivant
Heavy benching also causes shoulder problems.
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Flat bench stimulates the pecs completely if done right. Incline brings the front delts in more.
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Flat bench stimulates the pecs completely if done right. Incline brings the front delts in more.
I use a low incline & it works for me, same as low incline flys
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(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/N-du3lMAvVg/maxresdefault.jpg)
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This man knows best
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This man knows best
STRONG AS HELL,,impressive and build as well,those eyes are vacant tho,,no way he carries a conversation with anyone unless its a about him,his longevity/greatness as it applies to lifting and all about his build and his theories.when you see him talk or react he's always has that no,no its not like that and you can do anything and be anything if you dedicate and put your mind to it 100 pct..no limits ,,drugs ehh it all in the mind ...
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ageing has nothing to do with drugs & the most guys like him concentrated for most of their careers on flat benches.
Incline at a low angle is much more productive
to be fair it´s an old video but it does show how the over use of the flat press produces a heavy lower chest.
Rather than the flat press i would rather see more decline presses if anything or parallel bar dips.
My comment however is about ageing & sagging chests ( Arnold is a great example )
I use only Incline Presses & incline flys now.
So you think Kaz and Arnold look like they do today because the only did flat bench? You should post a picture of your chest to demonstrate how pecs should look as we age.
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Joswift is correct in some ways but the fact is a sagging chest is mostly a result of a heavy bench press career.
regardless of opinions from so called experts the upper chest is still relivant
Wouldn't you say a sagging chest is mostly due to age, bodyfat and inelastic sagging skin?
The first aging sign on a competitive bb is at about 40 when there is, as almost a rule, a slight skin crease below the pec line. Muscle itself doesn't sag like that imo, it's the skin that's the problem, and the nipples that follow the skin, sometimes the nipples sag below the pec muscle, look at Romano. Muscle is never a weakness or bad, even lower pec muscle, the more the better as the skin sag will show more as muscle shrinks. Delay that age related sarcopenia as much as possible, take your test and GH and eat that protein :D
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I flat benched so much and I mean 20-30 sets at a time for 20+ years and got very strong and my lower chest was huge. So much that I have pec sag now and I hate it. I’ve only been doing incline db presses for the last few years and it’s made a huge difference my chest looks way better and stands up a lot more.
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Wouldn't you say a sagging chest is mostly due to age, bodyfat and inelastic sagging skin?
The first aging sign on a competitive bb is at about 40 when there is, as almost a rule, a slight skin crease below the pec line. Muscle itself doesn't sag like that imo, it's the skin that's the problem, and the nipples that follow the skin, sometimes the nipples sag below the pec muscle, look at Romano. Muscle is never a weakness or bad, even lower pec muscle, the more the better as the skin sag will show more as muscle shrinks. Delay that age related sarcopenia as much as possible, take your test and GH and eat that protein :D
the pec line starts disappearing with age, it happens to almost every senior bodybuilder
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the pec line starts disappearing with age, it happens to almost every senior bodybuilder
YUP... :D
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YUP... :D
Does PT Donny have sagging tits? :D
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Tony Pearson has retained a great chest...look at that upper/Lower split !
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Does PT Donny have sagging tits? :D
I knew the Arnold sheep would Bite.... :D
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I knew the Arnold sheep would Bite.... :D
I was just curious.
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I was just curious.
curiosity killed the cat ..
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curiosity killed the cat ..
they swing a bit then ok.
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I knew the Arnold sheep would Bite.... :D
Looks great, lower pecs huge. If he lost the muscle the skin would sag.
Look at the following video. It looks like all lower pec, which it isn't of course, but it looks like "he needs to drop lower pec training and just do inclines." He has that little skin crease there under the pec I mentioned, which shows up much earlier in most. If he lost the lower pec muscle the skin would immediately sag more. Muscle is never a weakness, no matter where :D
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they swing a bit then ok.
My Gonads ..yes
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Looks great, lower pecs huge. If he lost the muscle the skin would sag.
Look at the following video. It looks like all lower pec, which it isn't of course, but it looks like "he needs to drop lower pec training and just do inclines." He has that little skin crease there under the pec I mentioned, which shows up much earlier in most. If he lost the lower pec muscle the skin would immediately sag more. Muscle is never a weakness, no matter where :D
The reason i posted the video was i always preferred the Dip over the flat Barbell press, however nowadays i only do incline work.
just my opinions so not carved in stone as we are all different .. i mean look at "Big" Ro who is a big lad but punches a bag like a little girl. :D
Zero understanding of Body mechanics
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The reason i posted the video was i always preferred the Dip over the flat Barbell press, however nowadays i only do incline work.
just my opinions so not carved in stone as we are all different .. i mean look at "Big" Ro who is a big lad but punches a bag like a little girl. :D
Zero understanding of Body mechanics
I love the dip, however my pecs are almost nonexistent due to both being torn decades ago. I do dips for the front delts and triceps, and what little pec I have left, gets sore, even my upper pecs. I do dips on machines and when I can't perform a full rep I continue and do short reps in the stretched position until it doesn't move at all. Lots of soreness in delts and upper pecs :D
I know nothing about boxing so I have no idea what good technique is :D
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I love the dip, however my pecs are almost nonexistent due to both being torn decades ago. I do dips for the front delts and triceps, and what little pec I have left, gets sore, even my upper pecs. I do dips on machines and when I can't perform a full rep I continue and do short reps in the stretched position until it doesn't move at all. Lots of soreness in delts and upper pecs :D
I know nothing about boxing so I have no idea what good technique is :D
two masters at work ..
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Reg Park said where you lower the bar on a flat bench press to determines the effect on the chest.
To concentrate on the upper pec lower the bar to the neck.
For the lower pec to the nipple line.
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Reg Park said where you lower the bar on a flat bench press to determines the effect on the chest.
To concentrate on the upper pec lower the bar to the neck.
For the lower pec to the nipple line.
yes i believe he did say that & Gironda as you know liked the press to neck but the incline press at a low angle is better ( in my opinion )
again just my opinions ;)
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the pec line starts disappearing with age, it happens to almost every senior bodybuilder
Should we not train chest at all? I have been debating this.
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Should we not train chest at all? I have been debating this.
You have to continue training the chest to minimize drooping pecs as much as possible.
Sooner or later skin elasticity starts to decline and sarcopenia comes into play.
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Should we not train chest at all? I have been debating this.
Probably makes more sense not to train at all... ;D ;D
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You have to continue training the chest to minimize drooping pecs as much as possible.
Sooner or later skin elasticity starts to decline and sarcopenia comes into play.
Maybe just do pushups to keep everything tight but no heavy work.
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Maybe just do pushups to keep everything tight but no heavy work.
Heavy or light don't matter as far as droop.
Lack of overhead pressing and pulling in proportion to bench pressing wrecks shoulders.
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Heavy or light don't matter as far as droop.
Lack of overhead pressing and pulling in proportion to bench pressing wrecks shoulders.
overhead pressing wreaks shoulders full stop
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No it doesn't.
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overhead pressing wreaks shoulders full stop
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overhead pressing wreaks shoulders full stop
This is basically a modified version of the Dumbbell around the world exercise
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Dips are probably the best, yet under rated chest exercises.
The downward pushing of a dip is the most intense flex of any chest exercise.
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Dips are probably the best, yet under rated chest exercises.
The downward pushing of a dip is the most intense flex of any chest exercise.
fucking bingo ;D