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@2:55 lol
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its not unusual these days with all the bunk gear
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I don't know what the implication is by being "shocked" by certain milligrams. That they're doing something wrong or what? How big "should" you be on 500mg or 2 grams? Plenty of people look like they never lifted a weight on any steroid dose.
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I don't know what the implication is by being "shocked" by certain milligrams. That they're doing something wrong or what? How big "should" you be on 500mg or 2 grams? Plenty of people look like they never lifted a weight on any steroid dose.
Dude 2 grams is a dose for an IFBB Open Pro
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One of the lads who competes in mens physique in our place is on an off season of
600mg test
600mg deca
600mg mast
pre contest
switches to
1ml prop/ 1 ml mast prop/ 1ml tren/ 1 ml primo a day
8 iu of hgh
he looks like he has trained a year
hankins used ot take north of 1500 test a week! and looked like a swimmer
bottom line if the genes arent there they arent there
I know what jeff takes or rather took and its loads lower than the above and i mean loads. but he looks like a bber. bottom line we can take nathan de ashas cycle but we wont look like him
THE most effective cycle i ever did was
M/W/F 1ml sust 1 ml 75mg/ml tren acetate
with 30mg dbol
blew me up and cut me to ribbons.
when i go back on end of month it will be
300mg test
300mg deca
200mg mast
12 weeks with an oral of choice pre workout wk-14 and 8-12
post 40 I think less is more if you get everything else in check
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Imagine if he took 4 grams a gear/week?? He’d be ready to explode!
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Imagine if he took 4 grams a gear/week?? He’d be ready to explode!
hes rumoured to have a cybergenics link up
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150mg Cyp
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If you can't turn pro on 1500 mts total this "sport" is not for you
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Here ya go
Dusty flat out said 1200 test was no better than 750 test at 28:30
They both ran test eq.
Ron 750 test 600 eq
Dusty 750 test 300 eq abombs
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Dude 2 grams is a dose for an IFBB Open Pro entry level gym rat benching 315 for reps.
Fixed.
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Dude 2 grams is a dose for an IFBB Open Pro
And? 5-6 grams was the sweet spot for ESFitness. I'm not ridiculing ES saying this BTW. Two grams of "what" matters also. Coach is on 150mg. Researchers put guys who never used on 600mg from the start of the study. Dan Duchaine put first timers on 1000mg of test right off the bat, "nothing less will do."
With all due respect, I doubt you see personally what goes on but maybe you do?
If you can't turn pro on 1500 mts total this "sport" is not for you
They are ridiculous with this grandstanding, holier than though, attitude. Take the average heavyweight trying for a pro card, just the test is usually at 1.5, but if it isn't the average load is still at about 3-4 grams. It may be too much, but that's what's happening. Your buddy, what's his name, the 50 years old, said he took 1 gram test, 1 gram Primo, and he turned "pro" but he isn't any kind of pro level.
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And? 5-6 grams was the sweet spot for ESFitness. I'm not ridiculing ES saying this BTW. Two grams of "what" matters also. Coach is on 150mg. Researchers put guys who never used on 600mg from the start of the study. Dan Duchaine put first timers on 1000mg of test right off the bat, "nothing less will do."
With all due respect, I doubt you see personally what goes on but maybe you do?
They are ridiculous with this grandstanding, holier than though, attitude. Take the average heavyweight trying for a pro card, just the test is usually at 1.5, but if it isn't the average load is still at about 3-4 grams. It may be too much, but that's what's happening. Your buddy, what's his name, the 50 years old, said he took 1 gram test, 1 gram Primo, and he turned "pro" but he isn't any kind of pro level.
True but right there in that vid hanshaw flat out said....1200 mgs of test gave no extra benefits over 750
Fritzwater said the exact same fuckimg thing so did coach little Joe and so did...... Doctor JM Blakely he said it to me on pm in Fagbook
All those fuckimg guys are NOT LYING
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True but right there in that vid hanshaw flat out said....1200 mgs of test gave no extra benefits over 750
Fritzwater said the exact same fuckimg thing so did coach little Joe and so did...... Doctor JM Blakely he said it to me on pm in Fagbook
All those fuckimg guys are NOT LYING
they all say the same thing
and do the opposite
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I have no idea why people lie about what they take
Do they think that it makes them look like this genetic freak that is different than everyone else
I know what people took back in the 80s and 90s
I knew a guy who competed with Dorian and was onstage for the overall with him when he won the British in 1988.
He told me that he was talking to Dorian at the show and they discussed gear, Dorian claimed 500 test and 2 parabolon a week.. GH wasnt even a thing back then
Dorian obviously upped the dose since then and was likely on multiple grams at his peak.
I was advised when I started to take as little as possible, I started on 8x2mg tabs Winstrol a day, thats 16mgs in total.. I responded really well to that
Steroids were almost all real pharma back then and good to go
in the mid 90s I could get a 2gms test 10ml vial for £3
I got the 5mg tabs pronabol for £2 x100 tabs
2 of the original French Parabolon a week was enough for anyone, more than that you ended up with huge low back pumps and anxiety off the fucking charts
I hardly ever took more than a gram a week, mostly 700 mgs pre-contest and 250-500 test off season
I couldnt tolerate much more than that I used to feel unwell off it
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they all say the same thing
and do the opposite
Shit fascinating me because I love the truth
Funny thing is I AM COMPLETELY OVER GAINING SIZE
In fact I don't want gain any size at tall
My gear guy is gonna check raw world records in the 50-59 year old 67.5 kg class and fill me in on it once I bring him my total estradiol test results a week from Monday
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Shit fascinating me because I love the truth
Funny thing is I AM COMPLETELY OVER GAINING SIZE
In fact I don't want gain any size at tall
My gear guy is gonna check raw world records in the 50-59 year old 67.5 kg class and fill me in on it once I bring him my total estradiol test results a week from Monday
so amazingly his gear contact speaks English as well
Oh, and he can manage to communicate enough to source someone to check his bloods and pay for it as well
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I have no idea why people lie about what they take
Do they think that it makes them look like this genetic freak that is different than everyone else
I know what people took back in the 80s and 90s
I knew a guy who competed with Dorian and was onstage for the overall with him when he won the British in 1988.
He told me that he was talking to Dorian at the show and they discussed gear, Dorian claimed 500 test and 2 parabolon a week.. GH wasnt even a thing back then
Dorian obviously upped the dose since then and was likely on multiple grams at his peak.
I was advised when I started to take as little as possible, I started on 8x2mg tabs Winstrol a day, thats 16mgs in total.. I responded really well to that
Steroids were almost all real pharma back then and good to go
in the mid 90s I could get a 2gms test 10ml vial for £3
I got the 5mg tabs pronabol for £2 x100 tabs
2 of the original French Parabolon a week was enough for anyone, more than that you ended up with huge low back pumps and anxiety off the fucking charts
I hardly ever took more than a gram a week, mostly 700 mgs pre-contest and 250-500 test off season
I couldnt tolerate much more than that I used to feel unwell off it
Pronabol 5
loved that
I was paying 12 quid a hundred!! hahah
genuinely blew up on that
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True but right there in that vid hanshaw flat out said....1200 mgs of test gave no extra benefits over 750
Fritzwater said the exact same fuckimg thing so did coach little Joe and so did...... Doctor JM Blakely he said it to me on pm in Fagbook
All those fuckimg guys are NOT LYING
Here's the thing. So lower test is popular now... so they claim. That means they may be adding 1.5 grams of Primo and the same with Masteron. I know they say less but many confess to higher Primo and Mast. Todd said Masteron was his "primary anabolic" and he was on 1050mg. They are in the range I mentioned, the "total anabolic load" is the same, they only switched around the compounds, ALL do it due to Victor Black's so called "healthier use" protocols. Plenty of top pros do 250mg of Tren a day precontest. Always the 200mg of Winstrol a day in the end for the "diuretic" anti-cortisol effects.
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Here's the thing. So lower test is popular now... so they claim. That means they may be adding 1.5 grams of Primo and the same with Masteron. I know they say less but many confess to higher Primo and Mast. Todd said Masteron was his "primary anabolic" and he was on 1050mg. They are in the range I mentioned, the "total anabolic load" is the same, they only switched around the compounds, ALL do it due to Victor Black's so called "healthier use" protocols. Plenty of top pros do 250mg of Tren a day precontest. Always the 200mg of Winstrol a day in the end for the "diuretic" anti-cortisol effects.
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Clod pee was running 400 mast daily ie 3 grams
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Clod pee was running 400 mast daily ie 3 grams
Trying to figure out who Clod Pee is LOL
But yes, they megadose these anabolics. For many years bodybuilders insisted Masteron was ONLY cosmetic and made them "flat." ::) Took a few years until most came around. Victor promoted these because they have been extensively tested in humans and look like they aren't very toxic. I recall some study where women with breast cancer were dosed with 1800 or 2100mg of Masteron LOL.
There's a Masteron shortage right now, otherwise I'd like to finally try it at a substancial dose.
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Trying to figure out who Clod Pee is LOL
But yes, they megadose these anabolics. For many years bodybuilders insisted Masteron was ONLY cosmetic and made them "flat." ::) Took a few years until most came around. Victor promoted these because they have been extensively tested in humans and look like they aren't very toxic. I recall some study where women with breast cancer were dosed with 1800 or 2100mg of Masteron LOL.
There's a Masteron shortage right now, otherwise I'd like to finally try it at a substancial dose.
😁😁😁
Todd lee
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I know a guy taking 500grams test + masteron and he looks like nothing. Arab guy. A real dumbass. Doesn't how to train or eat... and that combined is why.
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I don't know what the implication is by being "shocked" by certain milligrams. That they're doing something wrong or what? How big "should" you be on 500mg or 2 grams? Plenty of people look like they never lifted a weight on any steroid dose.
Without a foundation built on years of drug free lifting steroids arent so great for most
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Without a foundation built on years of drug free lifting steroids arent so great for most
Foundation my arse
Muscles are muscles, we all end up back where we started when we stop
If we create new muscle fibres then how come Kevin Leverone blew up and down between shows, he would drop 50lb of lean tissue and then "regain" it again in 12 weeks
Its all. about expanding the tissues with excercise drugs/carbs and water
The only reason pros are heavier these days is because they are holding more water
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You can really get ALOT out of 5-700mg weekly. Imho the dif between 500 and 2000 is maybe 20% and even lower if you don’t have the muscle mass and androgen receptors for that higher dose the extra is a waste. Best analogy I’ve heard is your filling a cup with water once it’s full it full adding more will just put stress on the body
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Here ya go
Dusty flat out said 1200 test was no better than 750 test at 28:30
They both ran test eq.
Ron 750 test 600 eq
Dusty 750 test 300 eq abombs
Agree with all of it
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Agree with all of it
Yep and id say your 500-700 is spot on
I looked very very good on 400
200 test 200 deca
Right now I'm trying 250
100 test 150 VAR
If it works then SO BE IT
Tyatys probably bottom end though
Can't imagine 100-150 total doing enough
But for me 400 works FOR SURE
And enjoy this tune 😎😎😎
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Foundation my arse
Yes. You don't need no stinking fouundation. Best results = put a teen on drugs, then start lifting. Start kind of foundational. GH and Test day one. If diet is calorie heavy might start a little Lantus as well. Then as muscle keeps growing, and thus androgen receptors, both through extra muscle and through the test, you slowly keep upping the dose each time the athlete stalls. If the genetics allow, you could have a pro size fella in a couple of years. Years past everyone wasted at least half the year "cycling" which serves not much of a purpose. All the best bodybuilders started drugs very soon after entering the gym. No need to wear out the body lifting like a madman and "bulking" without drugs which only adds new fat cells.
You can really get ALOT out of 5-700mg weekly. Imho the dif between 500 and 2000 is maybe 20% and even lower if you don’t have the muscle mass and androgen receptors for that higher dose the extra is a waste. Best analogy I’ve heard is your filling a cup with water once it’s full it full adding more will just put stress on the body
Look at the study on drug naive men put on up to 600mg. The highest dose was the best. As Duchaine said, hit it relatively hard, "750-1000 test. Nothing less will do." Well, it "will" but why go suboptimal? GH should definitely be in from the start, zero reason not to add it. Why add extra bodyfat if you don't have to?
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Yes. You don't need no stinking fouundation. Best results = put a teen on drugs, then start lifting. Start kind of foundational. GH and Test day one. If diet is calorie heavy might start a little Lantus as well. Then as muscle keeps growing, and thus androgen receptors, both through extra muscle and through the test, you slowly keep upping the dose each time the athlete stalls. If the genetics allow, you could have a pro size fella in a couple of years. Years past everyone wasted at least half the year "cycling" which serves not much of a purpose. All the best bodybuilders started drugs very soon after entering the gym. No need to wear out the body lifting like a madman and "bulking" without drugs which only adds new fat cells.
Look at the study on drug naive men put on up to 600mg. The highest dose was the best. As Duchaine said, hit it relatively hard, "750-1000 test. Nothing less will do." Well, it "will" but why go suboptimal? GH should definitely be in from the start, zero reason not to add it. Why add extra bodyfat if you don't have to?
You can get a guy with good genetics from day one to pro bodybuilder in 3/4 years
Many pros in the 80s only took that long
Haney won the Olympia at 23 Shawn Ray got his pro card at 22
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You can get a guy with good genetics from day one to pro bodybuilder in 3/4 years
Many pros in the 80s only took that long
Haney won the Olympia at 23 Shawn Ray got his pro card at 22
Exactly. Many of these pros preached patience, "it doesn't happen over night." WTF are they talking about? Today it can happen even faster because you don't have to experiment much and it's better known how these things work. There's really no need to "cycle" IMO, if blood work is good why get off, only to deflate, stress the body, and then spend time building back up. Since I can't do very short posts, I'll elaborate LOL. I personally speculate that after say 10 or 12 months some may feel a sense of burnout due to a variet of factors. And even if receptor desensitization isn't a 'thing' really, there might be a certain overall desensitization of various system. Then an HCG bridge of a couple of months might be useful. HCG would send an artificial signal to force test production. Maybe some clen to mildly stimulate an alternate, non-androgen anti-catabolic/mildly anabolic pathway. That sort of thing. Alernately a period of just 10mg (70 a week) a day of 'true HRT 'that's close to physiological levels. Injected test isn't ever truly physiological though, because natural test goes up and down over the day.
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Exactly. Many of these pros preached patience, "it doesn't happen over night." WTF are they talking about? Today it can happen even faster because you don't have to experiment much and it's better known how these things work. There's really no need to "cycle" IMO, if blood work is good why get off, only to deflate, stress the body, and then spend time building back up. Since I can't do very short posts, I'll elaborate LOL. I personally speculate that after say 10 or 12 months some may feel a sense of burnout due to a variet of factors. And even if receptor desensitization isn't a 'thing' really, there might be a certain overall desensitization of various system. Then an HCG bridge of a couple of months might be useful. HCG would send an artificial signal to force test production. Maybe some clen to mildly stimulate an alternate, non-androgen anti-catabolic/mildly anabolic pathway. That sort of thing. Alernately a period of just 10mg (70 a week) a day of 'true HRT 'that's close to physiological levels. Injected test isn't ever truly physiological though, because natural test goes up and down over the day.
Yep
You will know if you have pro potential after 6-9 months on no more than 1500 mge total
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Yep
You will know if you have pro potential after 6-9 months on no more than 1500 mge total
You might see it in 6 weeks :D Although Nick Walker competed and looked like shit and showed close to zero potential, so there might be exceptions.
Also, today many actually turn "pro" bad genetics, poor structure, poor muscle bellies, "pro" means less and less...
Didn't Mentzer say max potential could be reached in a year, or was it a bit longer? In any case it's fast IMO, maybe a year to circa-max so to speak, provided you are on the trifecta pretty much from the start: steroids+GH+Insulin. At 19 Mentzer was pretty much there in my opinion, same with Viator, not a hell of a lot happened after that.
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You might see it in 6 weeks :D Although Nick Walker competed and looked like shit and showed close to zero potential, so there might be exceptions.
Also, today many actually turn "pro" bad genetics, poor structure, poor muscle bellies, "pro" means less and less...
Didn't Mentzer say max potential could be reached in a year, or was it a bit longer? In any case it's fast IMO, maybe a year to circa-max so to speak, provided you are on the trifecta pretty much from the start: steroids+GH+Insulin. At 19 Mentzer was pretty much there in my opinion, same with Viator, not a hell of a lot happened after that.
True bout mike he was there at 19 or 85% there
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Exactly. Many of these pros preached patience, "it doesn't happen over night." WTF are they talking about? Today it can happen even faster because you don't have to experiment much and it's better known how these things work. There's really no need to "cycle" IMO, if blood work is good why get off, only to deflate, stress the body, and then spend time building back up. Since I can't do very short posts, I'll elaborate LOL. I personally speculate that after say 10 or 12 months some may feel a sense of burnout due to a variet of factors. And even if receptor desensitization isn't a 'thing' really, there might be a certain overall desensitization of various system. Then an HCG bridge of a couple of months might be useful. HCG would send an artificial signal to force test production. Maybe some clen to mildly stimulate an alternate, non-androgen anti-catabolic/mildly anabolic pathway. That sort of thing. Alernately a period of just 10mg (70 a week) a day of 'true HRT 'that's close to physiological levels. Injected test isn't ever truly physiological though, because natural test goes up and down over the day.
I know a guy back in the 80s used to go on and off, once he decided to stay on and blast and cruise he became a pro in 2 years
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Shane dimOra 19,,,Eddie Robinson and Franco santoriello looked crazy as teens
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Shane dimOra 19,,,Eddie Robinson and Franco santoriello looked crazy as teens
And they were all.manlets
5'6-5'7
But at least Robinson x wifey was a very fine piece of Italian ass♥️♥️♥️♥️🥰🥰🥰🥰
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Yes. You don't need no stinking fouundation. Best results = put a teen on drugs, then start lifting. Start kind of foundational. GH and Test day one. If diet is calorie heavy might start a little Lantus as well. Then as muscle keeps growing, and thus androgen receptors, both through extra muscle and through the test, you slowly keep upping the dose each time the athlete stalls. If the genetics allow, you could have a pro size fella in a couple of years. Years past everyone wasted at least half the year "cycling" which serves not much of a purpose. All the best bodybuilders started drugs very soon after entering the gym. No need to wear out the body lifting like a madman and "bulking" without drugs which only adds new fat cells.
Look at the study on drug naive men put on up to 600mg. The highest dose was the best. As Duchaine said, hit it relatively hard, "750-1000 test. Nothing less will do." Well, it "will" but why go suboptimal? GH should definitely be in from the start, zero reason not to add it. Why add extra bodyfat if you don't have to?
Terrible advices.
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Terrible advices.
It's not advice per se, I advice no one to get on steroids. This is my view of how to do it, as safely and quickly as possible, and I can write whole pages on the whys :D
I beg of you. Just this once, debate me on this :D Tell me why it's "terrible." I won't tell you you're wrong or try to attack you, just a little dialogue :D It's just that I've given this a lot of thought, I juiced first at about 17, 48 now, seen a lot of bodybuilders over those years and so on. I will say that all views are subject to change, if perspective changes with time. I know I did everything wrong wrt juice and could have maxed out within 2 years if I'd only known what I know now. Wouldn't have damaged my body as much either.
Is it unhealthy? Will it damage aesthetics and ruin your physique? What? How would you go about it if a beginner wanted to become the best bb he could be?
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It's not advice per se, I advice no one to get on steroids. This is my view of how to do it, as safely and quickly as possible, and I can write whole pages on the whys :D
I beg of you. Just this once, debate me on this :D Tell me why it's "terrible." I won't tell you you're wrong or try to attack you, just a little dialogue :D It's just that I've given this a lot of thought, I juiced first at about 17, 48 now, seen a lot of bodybuilders over those years and so on. I will say that all views are subject to change, if perspective changes with time. I know I did everything wrong wrt juice and could have maxed out within 2 years if I'd only known what I know now. Wouldn't have damaged my body as much either.
Is it unhealthy? Will it damage aesthetics and ruin your physique? What? How would you go about it if a beginner wanted to become the best bb he could be?
I would suggest staying natural for a few years, I made alot of progress naturally from 13-18 then tried pro hormones and clen, then anavar and t3 when 19 but didnt juice properly til my late twenties. I think getting young teens straight on all that gear is terrible the body has to develop naturally first and muscle laid down naturally will stick more. I would not encourage any teenager to become a pro bodybuilder I would suggest against it unless they are exceptional. Roiding heavily before age of 25 means more chance of permanent endocrine fuckery for life. And the mental health issues and hormonal disruption at that age can cause bad life choices and experiences, better to develop a calmer wiser mind.
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Do blakely said not to use gear til 25
But I'm pretty sure he hoped on at 21-22
I don't think I'm gonna last very much longer 💪😎
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I'm also not sure it's absolute best to start juicing in the teens.
The best example in the world of this would be Ronnie Coleman. He claims he started juicing right after 1991 but I'd say 1988, or 89, based on pictures from different years. That would still mean he started at age 24/25.
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I'm also not sure it's absolute best to start juicing in the teens.
The best example in the world of this would be Ronnie Coleman. He claims he started juicing right after 1991 but I'd say 1988, or 89, based on pictures from different years. That would still mean he started at age 24/25.
didnt do him any harm did it? ::)
Maybe he should have started earlier and finished earlier
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Yes. You don't need no stinking fouundation. Best results = put a teen on drugs, then start lifting. Start kind of foundational. GH and Test day one. If diet is calorie heavy might start a little Lantus as well. Then as muscle keeps growing, and thus androgen receptors, both through extra muscle and through the test, you slowly keep upping the dose each time the athlete stalls. If the genetics allow, you could have a pro size fella in a couple of years. Years past everyone wasted at least half the year "cycling" which serves not much of a purpose. All the best bodybuilders started drugs very soon after entering the gym. No need to wear out the body lifting like a madman and "bulking" without drugs which only adds new fat cells.
You can’t be serious
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You can’t be serious
every single top tier pro pretty much did exactly that
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every single top tier pro pretty much did exactly that
Doesn’t matter what they did. It’s doesn’t mean to do it. You see a ton of these knucklehead kids on TikTok and other platforms mimicking what they THINK the big time pros are doing when I fact they’re only looking for problems. Test levels in healthy teens are already through the roof and you want add to with more exogenous test?
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didnt do him any harm did it? ::)
Maybe he should have started earlier and finished earlier
well he became to many the GOAT. And for many the sacrifice would be worth it
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Doesn’t matter what they did. It’s doesn’t mean to do it. You see a ton of these knucklehead kids on TikTok and other platforms mimicking what they THINK the big time pros are doing when I fact they’re only looking for problems. Test levels in healthy teens are already through the roof and you want add to with more exogenous test?
But if you expect to be a successful pro then the argument is that its pretty much what succesful pros have always done
How many pros take two 10/12 week courses a year (off season and precontest)
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I would suggest staying natural for a few years, I made alot of progress naturally from 13-18 then tried pro hormones and clen, then anavar and t3 when 19 but didnt juice properly til my late twenties. I think getting young teens straight on all that gear is terrible the body has to develop naturally first and muscle laid down naturally will stick more. I would not encourage any teenager to become a pro bodybuilder I would suggest against it unless they are exceptional. Roiding heavily before age of 25 means more chance of permanent endocrine fuckery for life. And the mental health issues and hormonal disruption at that age can cause bad life choices and experiences, better to develop a calmer wiser mind.
Ok thanks. I definitely agree from a mental health standpoint. But otoh there's actually so little time. By waiting you are "wasting" your prime years of developing physically. Almost all the Golden Age or whatever bodybuilders, like Arnold, started as teens. Some like Lee Haney retired at an age some feel would be a good time to consider starting. I would argue, thatt if someone was able to stop after trying bodybuilding for a pretty limited time, doing the hard stuff early would be smartest, physically. Arnold was also able to step away, but many develop an identity as bodybuilders and are never able to stop. Unfortunately you can only assess retrospectively if you made the right decision. If someone was able to do just one, one year cycle at say 18 that might set them up with a lifetime of somewhat above average muscle mass. Then if they wanted to look extra muscled for a period of time they could revive the physique almost completely in 6-8 weeks, as it were. IMHO 8)
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I'm also not sure it's absolute best to start juicing in the teens.
The best example in the world of this would be Ronnie Coleman. He claims he started juicing right after 1991 but I'd say 1988, or 89, based on pictures from different years. That would still mean he started at age 24/25.
I don't know when he started, but I think he was a football player and you know how things were in the 80s... all I'm saying is that the young body seems to be more sensitive to anabolics. That's why I half-jokingly said I wished I had done some PEDs at 8. Some studies have show that some kids treated with say Anavar at that age didn't seem to suffer long term sides. Some PEDs, even steroids, could actually increase adult height.
You can’t be serious
It's risky for sure. But done "right" (what right is can be debated) I think it could be advantageous. And like joswift and myself have said, bodybuilders have stayed on semi-permanently, and the numbers of champs starting as teens is too long to list, as you know. IMHO arguing that twst levels are already sky high as teens if a pretty poor argument for abstaining. Sensitivity to external hormones is also sky high 8)
Do you feel you came to harm because you were prescribed at a very young age, do you regret it?
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750 test 600 eq/deca 6-8 ius growth
If that don't make you a pro nothing will
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I don't know when he started, but I think he was a football player and you know how things were in the 80s... all I'm saying is that the young body seems to be more sensitive to anabolics. That's why I half-jokingly said I wished I had done some PEDs at 8. Some studies have show that some kids treated with say Anavar at that age didn't seem to suffer long term sides. Some PEDs, even steroids, could actually increase adult height.
It's risky for sure. But done "right" (what right is can be debated) I think it could be advantageous. And like joswift and myself have said, bodybuilders have stayed on semi-permanently, and the numbers of champs starting as teens is too long to list, as you know. IMHO arguing that twst levels are already sky high as teens if a pretty poor argument for abstaining. Sensitivity to external hormones is also sky high 8)
Do you feel you came to harm because you were prescribed at a very young age, do you regret it?
You're 100% spot-on, if you wanna get to a certain level, every year counts and every month natty is a month wasted.
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750 test 600 eq/deca 6-8 ius growth
If that don't make you a pro nothing will
how do you actually know this?
how many pros do you know?
have you ever taken this?
have you coached anyone to?
the answers are all 'I have no idea'
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how do you actually know this?
how many pros do you know?
have you ever taken this?
have you coached anyone to?
the answers are all 'I have no idea'
1. All guys on Tom platz hidden secrets of the pros basically took this stack... Coleman, Newman, Baker, Paul dillet, cormeir
2. Don't know any pros, but 5 or 6 pros on YouTube have claimed very similar cycles, big Paul, coach Joe little, Martin fritzwater
3. I've taken more I have ZERO SIZE genetics strength genetics well that a completely diff story
4. Have not coached anyone yet
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I don't know when he started, but I think he was a football player and you know how things were in the 80s... all I'm saying is that the young body seems to be more sensitive to anabolics. That's why I half-jokingly said I wished I had done some PEDs at 8. Some studies have show that some kids treated with say Anavar at that age didn't seem to suffer long term sides. Some PEDs, even steroids, could actually increase adult height.
It's risky for sure. But done "right" (what right is can be debated) I think it could be advantageous. And like joswift and myself have said, bodybuilders have stayed on semi-permanently, and the numbers of champs starting as teens is too long to list, as you know. IMHO arguing that twst levels are already sky high as teens if a pretty poor argument for abstaining. Sensitivity to external hormones is also sky high 8)
Do you feel you came to harm because you were prescribed at a very young age, do you regret it?
I think If knew back then what I know now I would have probably done things a bit different. back then I was under the care of a well known doctor (Robert Kerr). I would have to go in office each week for the shot, Deca and If I remember correctly once a month for my refills which were the CIBA 5mg Dianabol and/or 2.5mg Anavar. I remember EVER taking more than what he prescribed simply because I was scared which led me later on in life to take as little as I could get away with for a show. I can't remember when I started adding in any type of test into the mix, Kerr never prescribed at least with me but I think it was probably in my mid-20's or so. Just a note that EVERYTHING back then was the real deal.
Kids today, because of the internet and social media aren't afraid and don't think of consequences. GH, insulin, test, tren, etc. They don't think and I don't hear many warnings given nor would they probably listen anyway.
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I think If knew back then what I know now I would have probably done things a bit different. back then I was under the care of a well known doctor (Robert Kerr). I would have to go in office each week for the shot, Deca and If I remember correctly once a month for my refills which were the CIBA 5mg Dianabol and/or 2.5mg Anavar. I remember EVER taking more than what he prescribed simply because I was scared which led me later on in life to take as little as I could get away with for a show. I can't remember when I started adding in any type of test into the mix, Kerr never prescribed at least with me but I think it was probably in my mid-20's or so. Just a note that EVERYTHING back then was the real deal.
Kids today, because of the internet and social media aren't afraid and don't think of consequences. GH, insulin, test, tren, etc. They don't think and I don't hear many warnings given nor would they probably listen anyway.
I hear you. Kids get on anabolics after just looking at tiktoks. And kids are hard headed. At the same time, I'm amazed at how "smart" some kids are wrt PEDs if they listen to a lot of long youtubes and so on. They "know" more technicalities than most juicers who have been on for 40 years. I see this with my nephew and he's never juiced and doesn't wantt to currently, he's 21. But the personal experience isn't there obviously.
Regarding things like insulin and GH. Older lifters think these are more "advanced" than anabolics, but if you think about it, why are they more advanced that anabolics? AAS, except test, aren't "natural" to the body, insulin and GH are. For example, you have to, or should, eat maybe 4-5K calories to grow rapidly if starting from a low bodyfat. Adding just a little long acting Lantus, at say 10iu, could help utilize those carbs and calories, remove some stress form the pancreas, and increase IGF-1. Lantus iis released over 24 hours so calculate how "little" is released each hour. Zero risk wrt to hypoglycemia. You could also add the Type II diabetic med Metformin at night to increase insulin sensitivity, you know how important that is for both health and growth. The natural herb berberine would work almost identically to Metformin. And you know how easy it is to get too fat when "eating big." Those fat cells you form are never going away, they can only shrink temporarily. That's where the GH would come in, preventing that. It would also further potentiate the testosterone's anabolic effect, and GH is well tolerated as a youth because it's been very high a few years earlier especially. Also, with what we know, you'd also want to take measures to control your BP, high BP can make the heart grow as you know. Controlling that from the start should logically extend lifespan at the other end of your life. Older juicers always instinctively think taking a BP med as a teen or young adult is "crazy" to do, but isn't at all if you think about it, at least isn't to me. So I would get on a very small amount from the start, then maybe titrate up, IF necessary depending on BP. Telmisartan has been shown to prevent bad remodeling of the heart and also protects the kidneys.
Do you at all see where I'm coming from? I have some hypertrophy of the left ventricle, like all athletes have, but especially PED users where it becomes pathological and dangerous. If I had know about, and implemented, some of these steps mayb I wouldn't have that right now. I had severe heart failure when I had covid and on a ventilator and the docs attributed that partly to the anabolics. Luckily it improved a lot afterwards, a year ago I was just under normal EF, I had I think 50 EF. Just took new scans so waiting on those 8) If I had done more aggressive anabolics, of less dangerous anabolics, and had incorporated GH, the outcome would most likely have been way better and I wouldn't have wasted time on suboptimal, half-assed cycles 8)
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750 test 600 eq/deca 6-8 ius growth
If that don't make you a pro nothing will
Whatever the truth of that is, that is not what the absolute majority do. Amateurs are doing on average, 3-4 grams and everyone's been on insulin for years by the time they are chasing the card at nationals or World Champs or whatever it may be. Same with GH and now with the prices having dropped some of these top amateurs are sometimes taking 40-50iu of GH. The standard otherwise is a bottle morning and night, 10iu each. My buddy who I posted pics of posing with Hadi didn't take anywhere near that, but only because he used pharma Genos and they are crazy expensive. My dealer stopped his amateur "career" because of what he heard from top amas around Europe, and even the US, especially wrt to the GH. His prep cycle for an amateur show had 2.5 grams of just testosterone, he was doing what other competitors and pros were telling him. I know a lot of bodybuilders, top amateurs and a few pros, and they often even ask for my opinions, so I "know" what they do, I've injected some of them and so on.
What the name of that youtube goofer, a big ass amateur bb? He acts the fool all the time for clicks. Anyway, he mentioned where he peaked at dosage wise when he was at his biggest at 320lbs (so he claimed).
It was:
3700mg testosterone
1400mg Tren
1400mg of Mast
300mg daily of Anadrol
20mg Halotestin daily
100mg of Anavar daily
100mg Winstrol daily
With all "the usual clen, GH, insulin, and other ancillaries."
Said the roid total was 10.5 grams a week. Know-nothings in the comments said it was all bunk, just olive oil, no one could take that amount, that he could have had the same results with Tren, Mast, Test at 300mg each weekly, 900mg total, he was at 1.5 grams a day. They were all skinny kids of course ;D
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Whatever the truth of that is, that is not what the absolute majority do. Amateurs are doing on average, 3-4 grams and everyone's been on insulin for years by the time they are chasing the card at nationals or World Champs or whatever it may be. Same with GH and now with the prices having dropped some of these top amateurs are sometimes taking 40-50iu of GH. The standard otherwise is a bottle morning and night, 10iu each. My buddy who I posted pics of posing with Hadi didn't take anywhere near that, but only because he used pharma Genos and they are crazy expensive. My dealer stopped his amateur "career" because of what he heard from top amas around Europe, and even the US, especially wrt to the GH. His prep cycle for an amateur show had 2.5 grams of just testosterone, he was doing what other competitors and pros were telling him. I know a lot of bodybuilders, top amateurs and a few pros, and they often even ask for my opinions, so I "know" what they do, I've injected some of them and so on.
What the name of that youtube goofer, a big ass amateur bb? He acts the fool all the time for clicks. Anyway, he mentioned where he peaked at dosage wise when he was at his biggest at 320lbs (so he claimed).
It was:
3700mg testosterone
1400mg Tren
1400mg of Mast
300mg daily of Anadrol
20mg Halotestin daily
100mg of Anavar daily
100mg Winstrol daily
With all "the usual clen, GH, insulin, and other ancillaries."
Said the roid total was 10.5 grams a week. Know-nothings in the comments said it was all bunk, just olive oil, no one could take that amount, that he could have had the same results with Tren, Mast, Test at 300mg each weekly, 900mg total, he was at 1.5 grams a day. They were all skinny kids of course ;D
onetimehard canadian guy who used to post here talked about 2 pros who he knew who didnt even measure what they used , they used to just keep injecting bodyparts until they got too sore to shoot then had a day off