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Ok, I know this has been brought up before on here. But who uses this stuff currently?
The reason I ask is last night I read an article about how addictive and destructive it was. It was compared to drinkable heroin. One lady was up to 15 cans per day. And had 8 credit cards jacked to the hilt from purchasing. One man lost his home, job, and savings from it.
I have never used it, nor even paid much attention to it - but I seem to recall it was marketed as fitness enhancements years ago?
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I use it and I have for years. I tried all strains. I use the red bali for pain . It does help. About like taking tramadol at a NORMAL dosage. I toss and wash it. I use 1 tablespoon 3 or 4 times a day ( or less) Ii have gone weeks without "needing" it. But these idiots that are taking so much are the same idiots downing dozens of Benadryl too. Some strains do give energy ( slightly) and alertness ( slightly) No reason to fear it I have blood work done every 6 months and I have had ZERO negative effects .
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I don`t know jackshit about the stuff but if it`s touted to be like "drinkable heroin",I`ll pass.
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I've been taking it on and off for several years. I take 2 grams once or twice a day before training, usually for 6-8 months before I take a break. I've never felt addicted, even when I stopped taking it overnight after 8 months of daily use because... I got bored ;)
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I use it and I have for years. I tried all strains. I use the red bali fpr pain . It does help. About like taking tramadol at a NORMAL dosage. I toss and wash it. I use 1 tablespoon 3 or 4 times a day ( or less) Ii have gone weeks without "needing" it. But these idiots that are taking so much are the same idiots downing dozens of benadry too. Some strains do give energy ( slightly) and alertness ( slightly) No reason to fear it I have blood work done every 6 months and I have had ZERO negative effects .
tramadol isnt an opiate according to the now departed expert ;D ;D
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I've been taking it on and off for several years. I take 2 grams once or twice a day before training, usually for 6-8 months before I take a break. I've never felt addicted, even when I stopped taking it overnight after 8 months of daily use because... I got bored ;)
Does it get you high in any way when training?
I would think if it`s at like heroin it might be a bitch if you nodded out while squatting 405.
Serious question.^
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tramadol isnt an opiate according to the now departed expert ;D ;D
WE ALL KNOW THAT. :D
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Does it get you high in any way when training?
I would think if it`s at like heroin it might be a bitch if you nodded out while squatting 405.
Serious question.^
I don't know why people compare it to heroin. For me, it's stimulating, puts me in a good mood, has a lot of energy, and gives me the will to do anything.
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I don't know why people compare it to heroin. For me, it's stimulating, puts me in a good mood, has a lot of energy, and gives me the will to do anything.
Thanks JK.............I`ll still pass though.
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I use it and I have for years. I tried all strains. I use the red bali fpr pain . It does help. About like taking tramadol at a NORMAL dosage. I toss and wash it. I use 1 tablespoon 3 or 4 times a day ( or less) Ii have gone weeks without "needing" it. But these idiots that are taking so much are the same idiots downing dozens of benadry too. Some strains do give energy ( slightly) and alertness ( slightly) No reason to fear it I have blood work done every 6 months and I have had ZERO negative effects .
How long have you gone off of it before?
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I use it and I have for years. I tried all strains. I use the red bali fpr pain . It does help. About like taking tramadol at a NORMAL dosage. I toss and wash it. I use 1 tablespoon 3 or 4 times a day ( or less) Ii have gone weeks without "needing" it. But these idiots that are taking so much are the same idiots downing dozens of benadry too. Some strains do give energy ( slightly) and alertness ( slightly) No reason to fear it I have blood work done every 6 months and I have had ZERO negative effects .
If you have been using it for years and take it multiple times per day (at some points), do you think it is addictive?
To be honest, I don't know anything about the strains or whatever. But from what I read the article made it sound like it came in a energy drink type product.
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Ok, I understand that it isn't an opioid by the definition that it doesn't "fit the shape" of an opioid. But many argue that it is still one because of the opioid like effect it has.
I see a lot of smoke shops have this advertised. I never go in any of those, but I assume it is like CBD and comes in a variety of forms other than liquid?
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Ironically, when I occasionally give up coffee to take a break from caffeine, I get headaches for the first two or three days. After stopping kratom, I don't experience any negative effects the next day—I immediately forget I was taking it.
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i have some powdered
Its just a mild relaxant... you would need spoonfulls of the stuff to really feel anything major
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It’s pretty good stuff, but I don’t take it often.
You can be an idiot with most any drugs TBH.
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Ironically, when I occasionally give up coffee to take a break from caffeine, I get headaches for the first two or three days. After stopping kratom, I don't experience any negative effects the next day—I immediately forget I was taking it.
that may be a side effect... ;D
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that may be a side effect... ;D
What I meant was rather that you don't feel like you miss him at all. ;D
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/kratom-death-over-the-counter-supplement-rfk-jr-b2803291.html
A family in Washington is warning about the dangers of kratom — a supplement that can be bought in some gas stations — after they say their son died from using the substance.
On the day Jordan McKibban, 37, died in 2022, he reportedly mixed kratom with his lemonade, according to his mother, Pam Mauldin, who spoke to the New York Post.
Kratom is marketed as an "all-natural" supplement that can help reduce pain, anxiety, and depression, among other ailments. For some individuals who are wary of typical pharmaceutical medicines — as McKibban reportedly was — kratom can be an attractive alternative.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/kratom-death-over-the-counter-supplement-rfk-jr-b2803291.html
A family in Washington is warning about the dangers of kratom — a supplement that can be bought in some gas stations — after they say their son died from using the substance.
On the day Jordan McKibban, 37, died in 2022, he reportedly mixed kratom with his lemonade, according to his mother, Pam Mauldin, who spoke to the New York Post.
Kratom is marketed as an "all-natural" supplement that can help reduce pain, anxiety, and depression, among other ailments. For some individuals who are wary of typical pharmaceutical medicines — as McKibban reportedly was — kratom can be an attractive alternative.
Just don't mix it with lemonade. That turns it into fentanyl.
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Ok, I know this has been brought up before on here. But who uses this stuff currently?
The reason I ask is last night I read an article about how addictive and destructive it was. It was compared to drinkable heroin. One lady was up to 15 cans per day. And had 8 credit cards jacked to the hilt from purchasing. One man lost his home, job, and savings from it.
I have never used it, nor even paid much attention to it - but I seem to recall it was marketed as fitness enhancements years ago?
Ive used it off and on for 10 years.
It's really versatile. It can be used as a pick me up at low doses or a sedative at high doses.
The low dose effects are great for reducing minor aches and pains and give you quite a bit of pep. The problem is thinking that more = better. And soon you're upping the dose which has a much different effect. A pretty strong sedative, great for sleep and pain. But the higher the dose the more negatives such as slowing of motility, lack of motivation, difficulty articulating thoughts and struggling with word recall. It slows your body and mind down and completely kills libido at higher doses.
The fear mongering is totally exaggerated. Yes you can become addicted. And if you do, quitting cold-turkey sucks, sense of pain is heightened, uneasiness and anxiety are heightened, your bowels turn to mush and you get an odd kind of restless leg/arm syndrome for about a week or two. Its very uncomfortable but in no way shape or form does it compare to heroine.
If you use it, keep doses low. No more than 2 grams at a time. You may not notice anything at first on that dose but eventually you will have a "realization" of its effects and it is a great pre-workout at 2 grams. I personally never go above 4 grams.
Once you start getting to the 6 to 10 gram dose you begin to flirt with addiction and negative side effects. Some users do 20 to 40 or even 60 grams daily. Its addictive for sure but its greatly exaggerated in the media.
No matter the dose, tapering off of it is quite easy and simple to do.
All the years I used it my bloodwork was totally fine. No liver enzymes, no other markers, and despite popular rumor- it will not cause a 'false positive' for opioids- that is of course if you're getting a pure product. While using kratom I was subject to drug testing- including steroids and heroin- and never a positive.
I could go on but thats a good overview.
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Ive used it off and on for 10 years.
It's really versatile. It can be used as a pick me up at low doses or a sedative at high doses.
The low dose effects are great for reducing minor aches and pains and give you quite a bit of pep. The problem is thinking that more = better. And soon you're upping the dose which has a much different effect. A pretty strong sedative, great for sleep and pain. But the higher the dose the more negatives such as slowing of motility, lack of motivation, difficulty articulating thoughts and struggling with word recall. It slows your body and mind down and completely kills libido at higher doses.
The fear mongering is totally exaggerated. Yes you can become addicted. And if you do, quitting cold-turkey sucks, sense of pain is heightened, uneasiness and anxiety are heightened, your bowels turn to mush and you get an odd kind of restless leg/arm syndrome for about a week or two. Its very uncomfortable but in no way shape or form does it compare to heroine.
If you use it, keep doses low. No more than 2 grams at a time. You may not notice anything at first on that dose but eventually you will have a "realization" of its effects and it is a great pre-workout at 2 grams. I personally never go above 4 grams.
Once you start getting to the 6 to 10 gram dose you begin to flirt with addiction and negative side effects. Some users do 20 to 40 or even 60 grams daily. Its addictive for sure but its greatly exaggerated in the media.
No matter the dose, tapering off of it is quite easy and simple to do.
All the years I used it my bloodwork was totally fine. No liver enzymes, no other markers, and despite popular rumor- it will not cause a 'false positive' for opioids- that is of course if you're getting a pure product. While using kratom I was subject to drug testing- including steroids and heroin- and never a positive.
I could go on but thats a good overview.
The pick me up part, how does it compare to like a full can of Monster or Bang energy drink?
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Just don't mix it with lemonade. That turns it into fentanyl.
;D
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Oh and a lot of people who use it are trying to quit harder drugs like fentanyl, heroin, oxygen etc... the people who overdose simply relapse on the hard stuff. No one wants to admit their son died of a heroin OD so they blame kratom, same for failed drug tests. Many start with kratom because they're weening off heroin. When they fail a drug test they blame kratom. Lol. Sure, you mean you don't have a history of heroin addiction.
This is no different than athletes blaming creatine for steroid results.
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I took it for a week or so when I got out of the hospital with a back issue about 8 years ago. I don’t remember it doing much of anything, but I was taking a few other things so I stopped taking it. It was red fiber kratom. Not sure if it makes a difference but my brother gave it to me because he said it was for pain and he took it every once in a while when his back hurt.
Now, a year or two before all that, my sister in laws husband was overseas and was smoking weed and taking a shit ton of that stuff and ended up killing himself. He had no hard drugs in his system but had been drinking and what not. Probably not all kratom fault but they did say something about it. My wife didn’t want me taking it because of that.
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The problem, if there is one, is that the "shots" and "strong extracts are synthetic mitragynine, it's not plant material. FDA just warned a ton of companies, it's illegal. The plant is fairly innocuous- for me personally. About 13-15 grams can be felt, but it's not comparable to synthetics IMO. I've used up to 40 grams a day. Kills libido and orgasms, when quitting cold turkey you get a rebound, hair trigger orgasms.
Be careful!
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Just don't mix it with lemonade. That turns it into fentanyl.
Use grape juice for optimal bioavailability.
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i have some powdered
Its just a mild relaxant... you would need spoonfulls of the stuff to really feel anything major
please be careful Joe :D
https://www.addictionresource.net/plugging/kratom/
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Speaking of legal opioids, or what used to be legal, unsure now, but it disappeared from from the EU at least.
Wiki
"Tianeptine, sold under the brand names Stablon, Tatinol, and Coaxil among others, is an atypical tricyclic antidepressant which is used mainly in the treatment of major depressive disorder, although it may also be used to treat anxiety, asthma, and irritable bowel syndrome."
It was an antidepressant in like 12.5mg pills. What they apparently didn't even know was that it was an agonist at opioid receptors which could really be felt if you raised the dose. "Gas station heroin," they used to call it in the US. It was pretty great, only used it pretty briefly but it was a very nice mood brightener. Didn't feel any withdrawals when stopping, but they must be present if used long enough, it was just too good.
Regarding Kratom, for a few years I played with the 2-3 gram doses and couldn't figure out why people were raving about it, I could feel a little something but not enough to get excited like others on the net. Then years late I decided to try 10 grams, now I felt it and it was a first dose, was pretty damn euphoric combined with a little something else. Then maybe six months ago I was in great pains and ordered 400 grams and tried a 20 gram dose, some days 2x20 grams so it was a very short cycle. In every case I used it, even for a few months straight but at lower dose, I only felt mild withdrawals for a few days. Restless legs for 3 days, but didn't really cause insomnia which is what I'd gauge bad withdrawals with, maybe just 2 days of not sleeping quite as well as usual. But I read on some forums, like professionalmuscle, where some say it's every bit as bad as Oxy :o Some of them buy the straight 7-mitragynine synthetic so it's probably much worse. For years I figured that obviously some sellers spiked their Kratom powder with 7-OH so buyers would think their Kratom was "better." Otherwise I figure it's all the same shit.
"How strong is 7 mitragynine?
Pain Relief: 7-hydroxymitragynine is known for its potent analgesic effects, relieving pain by acting on the mu-opioid receptors. Research findings suggest that 7-OH is approximately 13 times more potent than morphine."
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Anytime I hear Kratom, I just assume it’s an addictive substance that drug addicts use to be newly addicted to something else instead of the drugs they were formerly using to make it seem like they’re clean wherein reality they’re still drug addicts. Am I close? This is mostly because Chris Bell was this and promoted kratom
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I ordered mine online and it was delivered in double lined bags labelled "coffee"
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Anytime I hear Kratom, I just assume it’s an addictive substance that drug addicts use to be newly addicted to something else instead of the drugs they were formerly using to make it seem like they’re clean wherein reality they’re still drug addicts. Am I close? This is mostly because Chris Bell was this and promoted kratom
I am of the same line of thought. Chris Bell was singing it's praises from the rooftops like it was some miracle drug when clearly he just switched one substance for another without talking of any dangers.
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i have some powdered
Its just a mild relaxant... you would need spoonfulls of the stuff to really feel anything major
LMAO ...i knew just like every other american you are drug addicted too ..i know it thats why i call any
american drug addict here and they remain quite lol
if you use kratom that means you couldn get stronger stuff
maybe your drug addiction ( mind alteration ) is the reason you wanted to fuck your daughter ???
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LMAO ...i knew just like every other american you are drug addicted too ..i know it thats why i call any
american drug addict here and they remain quite lol
if you use kratom that means you couldn get stronger stuff
maybe your drug addiction ( mind alteration ) is the reason you wanted to fuck your daughter ???
are your kids ugly?
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Ok, so I went into a smoke shop yesterday and purchased a can of this stuff. Club13 Seltzer. $4. Not sure if that is a decent price or not. It is supposed to have 75mg of the mitragynine (sp?) in it. It's in my fridge now. I haven't tried it yet. They only had about 35 different brands in there.
But this was a bit weird experience. I walked in and the shop was medium size. (I guess for a smoke shop). About 2500 sq ft. Lots of glass shelves, and EVERYTHING locked up. And this was in good part of town. Not west of 95. Guys were behind a glass partition like a bank. The only things out on the floor was little sales crap like ash trays, tshirts, air freshners, pool floats, decorative socks, etc.. and those were locked mostly locked with the little thumb size locks you see in Walgreens where they sell flash drives and iphone accessories. There were about 10 other people there (all white) and about 7 staff. It was so-so busy, but not slow in getting service. One thing I noticed is when I walked in, the first guy behind the counter acknowledged me and said "no flower" I was like what? And they said "no flower" again. And the other staff started saying it. "no flower", "no flower here", etc. to everyone that walked in the door they said "no flower". It's either the weirdest hippy greeting making the rounds or it means something in drug lingo I don't know. But if they had everything locked up in here like Fort Knox, I can only imagine what those tiny stores in the black areas out west must do.
I'll try this tomorrow when I head to the gym. I assume I take it half an hour before?
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I'll try this tomorrow when I head to the gym. I assume I take it half an hour before?
its a relaxant, why would you take it to go to the gym?
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its a relaxant, why would you take it to go to the gym?
WTF? It is marketed as a pick me up health/fitness supp.
Some people on here says it made them alert-ish.
Maybe I should try it today just to see since I am not going to the gym anyway.
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Ok, so I went into a smoke shop yesterday and purchased a can of this stuff. Club13 Seltzer. $4. Not sure if that is a decent price or not. It is supposed to have 75mg of the mitragynine (sp?) in it. It's in my fridge now. I haven't tried it yet. They only had about 35 different brands in there.
But this was a bit weird experience. I walked in and the shop was medium size. (I guess for a smoke shop). About 2500 sq ft. Lots of glass shelves, and EVERYTHING locked up. And this was in good part of town. Not west of 95. Guys were behind a glass partition like a bank. The only things out on the floor was little sales crap like ash trays, tshirts, air freshners, pool floats, decorative socks, etc.. and those were locked mostly locked with the little thumb size locks you see in Walgreens where they sell flash drives and iphone accessories. There were about 10 other people there (all white) and about 7 staff. It was so-so busy, but not slow in getting service. One thing I noticed is when I walked in, the first guy behind the counter acknowledged me and said "no flower" I was like what? And they said "no flower" again. And the other staff started saying it. "no flower", "no flower here", etc. to everyone that walked in the door they said "no flower". It's either the weirdest hippy greeting making the rounds or it means something in drug lingo I don't know. But if they had everything locked up in here like Fort Knox, I can only imagine what those tiny stores in the black areas out west must do.
I'll try this tomorrow when I head to the gym. I assume I take it half an hour before?
Are they referring to CBD flowers maybe? Looks and smells like weed but doesn’t get you high.
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Are they referring to CBD flowers maybe? Looks and smells like weed but doesn’t get you high.
Bro, I honestly have no idea. Just like I have no idea what the hundreds (it seemed like) different "strains" are. I just went in for a drink.
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Maeng Da is one of the energizing strains and at about four grams( roughly a heaping teaspoon) taken about twenty minutes before you hit the gym.
Been doing this for years and downing a cup of strong coffee to enhance the effect. Find it calms down minor body aches and gets you in the mood of getting shit done.
I only do it on workout days, which nowadays are down to three a week, and so far I ain't become a junkie or craving that shit( tastes horrible). Can't see myself tossing and washing that shit on any other occasion. Don't get how people are able to digest 14 grams multiple times a day.
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WTF? It is marketed as a pick me up health/fitness supp.
Some people on here says it made them alert-ish.
Maybe I should try it today just to see since I am not going to the gym anyway.
In smaller doses (I take just 2 grams before training), it has an energizing effect. At least the green or white strain does. Higher doses have a relaxing and calming effect.
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are your kids ugly?
no wonder you voted for pedophile trump becauise you are also
interested in kids , he was also interested in 16 years kids and was drilling little girls who were basically kids
trump is also interested in incest ( ivanka trump ) like you are interested in your own daughter in law
( you posted dirty thoughts about her here for everyone to see )
disgusting drug addicted incestful anxiety ridden pedophile worshipper you are
;D
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no wonder you voted for pedophile trump becauise you are also
interested in kids , he was also interested in 16 years kids and was drilling little girls who were basically kids
trump is also interested in incest ( ivanka trump ) like you are interested in your own daughter in law
( you posted dirty thoughts about her here for everyone to see )
disgusting drug addicted incestful anxiety ridden pedophile worshipper you are
;D
nice delts oil bag.
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no wonder you voted for pedophile trump becauise you are also
interested in kids , he was also interested in 16 years kids and was drilling little girls who were basically kids
trump is also interested in incest ( ivanka trump ) like you are interested in your own daughter in law
( you posted dirty thoughts about her here for everyone to see )
disgusting drug addicted incestful anxiety ridden pedophile worshipper you are
;D
are your kids ugly?
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nice delts oil bag. , my sisters vagina wil start leaking after seeing your glowing cut muscle
sorry your sister must be too ugly since you seems like a negro probably..i dont like negroids women
if she is pretty i can rent her a night ;D
plus i am ultra rich unlike poor drug addicted Americans here ;D
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are your kids ugly?
lol i dont have kids retard anxiety ridden drug addicted american ;D ;D
keep repeating this and stop thinking dirty about your own daughter
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Triceps look wonky..
Weird gap in arm.
No forearms.
Thin neck.
No definition.
Popping out shoulder blade.
No lats.
No traps.
No muscular foundation.
All bloofy water bloat.
Oil bag look.
Wearing gloves.
You look like shit.
Hope this helps :-\
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lol i dont have kids retard anxiety ridden drug addicted american ;D ;D
keep repeating this and stop thinking dirty about your own daughter
ah so you are a fag
Thanks for clearing that up.
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'kHamas' deleted his photo after my post...again ;D
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Maeng Da is one of the energizing strains and at about four grams( roughly a heaping teaspoon) taken about twenty minutes before you hit the gym.
Been doing this for years and downing a cup of strong coffee to enhance the effect. Find it calms down minor body aches and gets you in the mood of getting shit done.
I only do it on workout days, which nowadays are down to three a week, and so far I ain't become a junkie or craving that shit( tastes horrible). Can't see myself tossing and washing that shit on any other occasion. Don't get how people are able to digest 14 grams multiple times a day.
So heaping teaspoon before training. Im going to try this. Anything like the old ultimate orange? Have you tried stacking with primatene (ephedrine)
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The pick me up part, how does it compare to like a full can of Monster or Bang energy drink?
Not the same at all. 2 to 4 grams is much longer lasting than a strong energy drink.
The energy boost is more of a mental stimulant than a physical stimulant. It allows for better stamina imo. It works really well for weight lifting.
I attribute the energy boost to its pain killing effects. Its not so much a 'high' but it really lessens joint aches and pains which makes anything more enjoyable, suddenly you're working your ass off like you're 20 years old again and the day has flown by. You'll do 4 hours of work and it'll feel like 20 or 30 minutes.
There's research into this phenomenon of pain killers associated with time perception. Basically the less pain you feel, the more enjoyable physical activities are and the more enjoyable something is, the faster time flies- you think it would be an obvious connection to make but we're not talking about oxycontin, or morphine. Its not a euphoric high. Its more like taking 4 advil with an added positive mood boost. And it won't kill your liver.
Another side affect (positive or negative depending on the person) is it is an appetite suppressant. Its very easy to go hours without eating, even skipping breakfast and lunch. If I pound a coffee or a Bang energy drink and skip lunch, I'll get noticeable tremors or 'jitters'. Irritable, 'hangry' etc... I've never experienced that with kratom.
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I still haven't tried this yet. It's sitting in my fridge. I will make sure I try this and report back next week.
Right now, a can of Bang or Ghost lasts me 3 days. As I only drink 1/3 and it is enough. I don't drink coffee at all or anything like green tea or use preworkouts. So this should be interesting.
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The energy boost is more of a mental stimulant than a physical stimulant. It allows for better stamina imo. It works really well for weight lifting.
I attribute the energy boost to its pain killing effects. Its not so much a 'high' but it really lessens joint aches and pains which makes anything more enjoyable, suddenly you're working your ass off like you're 20 years old again and the day has flown by. You'll do 4 hours of work and it'll feel like 20 or 30 minutes.
Yea it's not a stimulant in the usual sense. Many take it to sleep.
Regarding it making you high, I hadn't taken it for a year or two when I ordered it again. Didn't think it was all that fantastic so I decided to try a much higher dosage immediately. So I think I took like 13 grams with a couple of other things I often use anyway. And it was quite euphoric and I was impressed. Problem with excessive euphoria is that it can totally fuck up your workou IME. I think you need a certain amount of anxiety to perform your best. If I took a high dose of Tramadol before a workout, for me maybe 200mg, which I tried 2-3 years ago, I was feeling too good to workout optimally.
The mechanisms behind the pain killing effects of opiates and opioids are interesting. You may still feel the pain but the perception of it changes. Some studies indicate a simple Tylenol or Ibuprofen is better at reducing certain kinds of pain but they are no substitute for opioids in many situations.
If I were in the US like you guys I would simply buy the pure 7-OH (mitragynine) which is illegal to put in supps which they do anyway of course. But the authorities are coming down hard on it just now so I'm unsure of the availability but it's bound to disappear soon.
"CNN: Federal officials promised on Tuesday to crack down on a potent semisynthetic opioid found in convenience store gummies, drinks and dietary supplements by putting the substance in the most restricted class of drugs.
Makary said the FDA is recommending that 7-OH be listed as Schedule I, the most restrictive class of controlled substances."
It's supposedly 13 times more pain killing than morphine. Of course beware of becoming a total junky which is a real risk. One IFBB pro on professionalmuscle says he uses 7-OH occasionally but claims he can't become addicted, he doesn't have that personality, I think it's true some have a harder time becoming psychologically addicted to anything, though of course if they are exposed too long the physical addiction will come, see patients treated for legitimate issues.
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I've tried the 7oh and didn't notice anything other than typical effects I felt with the more common strains.
It helped me sleep fairly well but it's price point is much higher.
Personally I prefer kava, prior to a workout and use in general. I notice many of the same effects as kratom but noticeable euphoria at smaller doses.
A few places sell shots of a kava/kratom blend. It tastes horrible -even vomit inducing- but its really inconsistent based on brand. Common brands are Viva Zen, Feel Free and Focus and Flow. Focus n flow is my go to prior to a heavy workout. I usually only workout "heavy" on leg day.
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Weird that I posted this and my FB feed is now full of these ads. And some kind of CBD + TCH drink called BREZ. That is like $10 a fucking can.
WTF?
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Ok, I tried the can of this a few days ago. What was I supposed to feel? I really couldn't tell anything.
Someone also gave me a can of the BREZ CBD+THC to try. This was like $11 in stores. WTF? All it did for me was give me the worst case of dry mouth I have ever had in my life.
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Ok, I tried the can of this a few days ago. What was I supposed to feel? I really couldn't tell anything.
Someone also gave me a can of the BREZ CBD+THC to try. This was like $11 in stores. WTF? All it did for me was give me the worst case of dry mouth I have ever had in my life.
You tried a can of kratom?
It's a powder. I don't mean to encourage you but if you bought kratom it should come in a bag of greenish/brownish powder. Whatever measuring method you use, you should take 4 to 6 grams to get a noticeable affect.
I have seen the Kratom seltzer that are on the market and they don't do much. They're nothing special. I have used Kava seltzer and they're not much better. Kava is just so foul tasting. Like drinking dirt and nail polish remover. The seltzer don't taste too bad but are noticeably less effective.
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You tried a can of kratom?
It's a powder. I don't mean to encourage you but if you bought kratom it should come in a bag of greenish/brownish powder. Whatever measuring method you use, you should take 4 to 6 grams to get a noticeable affect.
I have seen the Kratom seltzer that are on the market and they don't do much. They're nothing special. I have used Kava seltzer and they're not much better. Kava is just so foul tasting. Like drinking dirt and nail polish remover. The seltzer don't taste too bad but are noticeably less effective.
Yeah, It was this one.
https://www.thehempsocialco.com/products/club13-kratom-seltzer-75-mit?srsltid=AfmBOor7AMfgAeyIgEAs6eU_obdeCotOmCpu2nVQto_iU8dxDhKWhBzM
But I only paid $4 for it.
It was a seltzer drink type. The can was about as big as a Red Bull.