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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: SweetDaddySiki on August 19, 2025, 06:07:03 AM
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"Lyle McDonald Goes to WAR With These 5 Barbell Lifts (Squat, Bench Press, Deadlift, OHP, and Row)"
To be honest, I've heard of his name but not familiar with him. I don't know; I watch a lot of this stuff on YouTube but I just can't take advice from people who look like that.
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Not upset by it. It's the old argument that muscles respond to stimulus, and it doesn't matter where it comes from. Also that it's easier to account for form break down, and target individual muscles for failure using other exercises like hacks, leg extension, etc... He's not against the big compounds, just that other stuff works better some times.
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Good point, BB. Makes sense
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Nothing beats the basics, period. 8)
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Nothing beats the basics, period. 8)
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The basics put Ronnie in a wheelchair.
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The basics put Ronnie in a wheelchair.
lol i think it was more ronnies mentality
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McDonald is a dweeb.
Just a bullshitter.
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The basics put Ronnie in a wheelchair.
Technically I think it was the skilled surgeon who put Ronnie in the wheelchair.
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Not upset by it. It's the old argument that muscles respond to stimulus, and it doesn't matter where it comes from. Also that it's easier to account for form break down, and target individual muscles for failure using other exercises like hacks, leg extension, etc... He's not against the big compounds, just that other stuff works better some times.
Actually it matters very much where the stimulus comes from. Isolation exercises do not build muscle. Dont believe me go to the gym and do as many leg extensions as you like. You may get a little bit sore but thats it. No growth, no increases in strength. Zero. If anything they hinder growth by sapping away your recovery ability.
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Actually it matters very much where the stimulus comes from. Isolation exercises do not build muscle. Dont believe me go to the gym and do as many leg extensions as you like. You may get a little bit sore but thats it. No growth, no increases in strength. Zero. If anything they hinder growth by sapping away your recovery ability.
Much of his argument was swapping big barbell lifts for big machine lifts. Hacks or leg press for quads, leg curls for hamstrings. Machine presses and upright row and lateral raise for BP or OHP. This was in regards to hypertrophy only, I think he's more right than wrong.
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Odd how a guy who obviously never lifted a weight in his life can become a famous training guru.
And people will listen to him.
He's not the only one too.
Con-artists.
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Technically I think it was the skilled surgeon who put Ronnie in the wheelchair.
I know someone who messed up his back lifting a heavy rock in his yard. He's had numerous back surgeries and it just got worse and worse. Probably messed up his kidney's along the way because of all the pain meds he took. But he would have never had such a back problem if he never tried to lift that heavy rock.
Same goes for Ronnie. If he lifted like Jay he would still be walking around today and in better health.
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McDonald is a dweeb.
Just a bullshitter.
I see your have your head squarely lodged in your ass.
Carry on.
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I know someone who messed up his back lifting a heavy rock in his yard. He's had numerous back surgeries and it just got worse and worse. Probably messed up his kidney's along the way because of all the pain meds he took. But he would have never had such a back problem if he never tried to lift that heavy rock.
Same goes for Ronnie. If he lifted like Jay he would still be walking around today and in better health.
Maybe. What would be his condition if he never had the surgery?
Is there anyone who had a successful back surgery?
We always hear about the bad ones but was there ever anyone who had a back surgery where they ended up better?
Its all horrible.
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I know someone who messed up his back lifting a heavy rock in his yard. He's had numerous back surgeries and it just got worse and worse. Probably messed up his kidney's along the way because of all the pain meds he took. But he would have never had such a back problem if he never tried to lift that heavy rock.
Same goes for Ronnie. If he lifted like Jay he would still be walking around today and in better health.
lol As if Jay would've lifted much differently chasing Ronnie. ;D
At the end of the day it all comes down to your genetics
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I see your have your head squarely lodged in your ass.
Carry on.
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Maybe. What would be his condition if he never had the surgery?
Is there anyone who had a successful back surgery?
We always hear about the bad ones but was there ever anyone who had a back surgery where they ended up better?
Its all horrible.
Very true.
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Maybe. What would be his condition if he never had the surgery?
Is there anyone who had a successful back surgery?
We always hear about the bad ones but was there ever anyone who had a back surgery where they ended up better?
Its all horrible.
AJ said the number one.cure for back pain was his medx back.ext
Slave pee
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Maybe. What would be his condition if he never had the surgery?
Is there anyone who had a successful back surgery?
We always hear about the bad ones but was there ever anyone who had a back surgery where they ended up better?
Its all horrible.
Phil Anselmo I believe had one of the first spinal fusion surgeries in 2005/6
He was in terrible shape before that, addicted to heroin/opioids, etc. "Mostly" sober by now and can actually tour although he doesn't move a lot on stage.
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Phil Anselmo I believe had one of the first spinal fusion surgeries in 2005/6
He was in terrible shape before that, addicted to heroin/opioids, etc. "Mostly" sober by now and can actually tour although he doesn't move a lot on stage.
Not a really good example of back surgery success.
Try again.
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Stallone had neck fusion after he was injured filming the first Expendables.
You can tell since then he cannot fully turn his neck and usually turns his whole body. Still in excellent shape
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Not a really good example of back surgery success.
Try again.
Compared to who, Ronnie? Sure it is.
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IronNat appears to be taking this situation very seriously.
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Actually it matters very much where the stimulus comes from. Isolation exercises do not build muscle. Dont believe me go to the gym and do as many leg extensions as you like. You may get a little bit sore but thats it. No growth, no increases in strength. Zero. If anything they hinder growth by sapping away your recovery ability.
Dorian used leg extensions and they seemed to work well for him.
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Dorian used leg extensions and they seemed to work well for him.
Of course they work the muscle fibres ..same with Leg Curls.
Infact you could get not bad wheels from the two above exercises & Hack Squats although i would put some Bulgarian split squats in there if needed.
Mohamed Makkawy built good legs with this..
https://www.whowasvincegironda.com/mohamed-makkawy-workout.html
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Dorian used leg extensions and they seemed to work well for him.
He used them after warming up on a stationary bike to 'pre-exhaust' the leg muscles before leg presses or smith-machine squats. At least according to one of his training programs at one point.
Personally, I don't like leg extensions as it puts a very large amount of force on a small area of cartilage under the kneecap and also on the patella tendon. Squats on the other hand distribute the forces across more of the body.
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Actually it matters very much where the stimulus comes from. Isolation exercises do not build muscle. Dont believe me go to the gym and do as many leg extensions as you like. You may get a little bit sore but thats it. No growth, no increases in strength. Zero. If anything they hinder growth by sapping away your recovery ability.
Brutal if true
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IronNat appears to be taking this situation very seriously.
I can't turn my back on this topic.
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Actually it matters very much where the stimulus comes from. Isolation exercises do not build muscle. Dont believe me go to the gym and do as many leg extensions as you like. You may get a little bit sore but thats it. No growth, no increases in strength. Zero. If anything they hinder growth by sapping away your recovery ability.
I thought muscles responded to intensity.
How does your quad muscle know if its doing a leg ext or a squat?
Oh, and you cant build additional muscle you can only expand the fibres you already have
And if it was just lifting heavy why do bodybuilders have larger muscles than power lifters?
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Just fuckng lift!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111 :D
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I know someone who messed up his back lifting a heavy rock in his yard. He's had numerous back surgeries and it just got worse and worse. Probably messed up his kidney's along the way because of all the pain meds he took. But he would have never had such a back problem if he never tried to lift that heavy rock.
Same goes for Ronnie. If he lifted like Jay he would still be walking around today and in better health.
Stay away from medicos as much as possible.
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Odd how a guy who obviously never lifted a weight in his life can become a famous training guru.
And people will listen to him.
He's not the only one too.
Con-artists.
He started as a triathlete and works primarily with endurance athletes.
He moved on to speed skating and later power lifting. Then trained power lifters and bodybuilders.
His Bio is on the bottom in the link.
https://dev.ironmagazine.com/2010/weight-training-for-fat-loss/ (https://dev.ironmagazine.com/2010/weight-training-for-fat-loss/)
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Looks like a geek.
Those that can't do teach.
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i think Lyle was just born to be an endurance guy. Years ago, he got invited to try out for the Olympics at an advanced age. His best performances were in the long events - https://www.speedskatingnews.info/skater/lyle-mcdonald (https://www.speedskatingnews.info/skater/lyle-mcdonald) .
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I was wrong. Lyle just let himself go/not aging well.
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So he deadlifts 185 in competition?
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Odd how a guy who obviously never lifted a weight in his life can become a famous training guru.
And people will listen to him.
He's not the only one too.
Con-artists.
Sensi with his star power lifting student.
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So he deadlifts 185 in competition?
That's somewhere in the #320-340 range. The reds are ultra thin #55s, so it looks like one plate, but it's 2. i can't remember if the next plate is a #22 or #33*, but it would be in that range, and the collars were #11 for the pair.
He was in the 67.5 class or around there, so it was like a double bodyweight pull, so it wasn't horrible, but it wasn't great. I don't hold it against folks when they don't put up good numbers, as long as they don't claim to be something they're not. His bench was in the low - mid 200's I believe, squat was similar to deadlift.
There used to be a meet report for his lifting, but it's lost to time.
Edit - *They're definately the #15/33s.
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What's his bench?
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What's his bench?
it was low to mid #200s.
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He started as a triathlete and works primarily with endurance athletes.
He moved on to speed skating and later power lifting. Then trained power lifters and bodybuilders.
His Bio is on the bottom in the link.
https://dev.ironmagazine.com/2010/weight-training-for-fat-loss/ (https://dev.ironmagazine.com/2010/weight-training-for-fat-loss/)
Looks like somebody who would post on getbig...