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I'll bet doctors are melting down! ;D
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The big problem is that even if the docs receive more 'proper' nutrition education no one will believe that it's actually correct. Getbiggers won't even agree to how one should eat. People here and everywhere on the net rail against the FDA recs but I don't think they are necessarily so bad, like currently. Some getbiggers think it recommends too much protein for example, .8 grams per kilo body weight to sustain optimal health, saying you only need 50 grams or whatever. Carnivores would say the fruit and veg recs are dangerous. But if everyone in the West ate as the US FDA recommended there wouldn't be an obesity crisis obviously.
My heart doc advised against "protein drinks," as if drink protein is somehow different from food protein. OTOH the hospitals I've been in, like recently, had very nice RTDs with protein coupled with all the vitamins and minerals you need, "nutritionally complete food" that you could live on for months, as the data sheets say. I did "steal" them out of "staff only" fridges since they cost money and they are trying to save on everything.
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True, Van.
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The big problem is that even if the docs receive more 'proper' nutrition education no one will believe that it's actually correct. Getbiggers won't even agree to how one should eat. People here and everywhere on the net rail against the FDA recs but I don't think they are necessarily so bad, like currently. Some getbiggers think it recommends too much protein for example, .8 grams per kilo body weight to sustain optimal health, saying you only need 50 grams or whatever. Carnivores would say the fruit and veg recs are dangerous. But if everyone in the West ate as the US FDA recommended there wouldn't be an obesity crisis obviously.
My heart doc advised against "protein drinks," as if drink protein is somehow different from food protein. OTOH the hospitals I've been in, like recently, had very nice RTDs with protein coupled with all the vitamins and minerals you need, "nutritionally complete food" that you could live on for months, as the data sheets say. I did "steal" them out of "staff only" fridges since they cost money and they are trying to save on everything.
Just eat food as naturally sourced as you can get it and you will be fine. But even then there is no guarantee you can get all the trace minerals that have been stripped out of the soil or never where there in the first place. Magnesium is a great example- most foods don't have it yet it is a critical trace element.
As for protein, 0.8 g per kilo LEAN body weight is only 80 g for your average Mr Olympia Getbigger. it's nearly impossible not to get that much no matter what you eat, lol. I spent quite a few years calorie counting, doing unique diets like keto or Atkins and my normal protein intake never exceeded 100 g on average.
The obesity crisis isn't due to people eating normally - it's due to the doctored food supply. Most foods have been engineered to bypass satiety causing you to eat them to excess. it's no different than for livestock. Cattle, for example, do not over eat when grazing- but the moment you fed them milled corn they literally explode with fat. If you let them loose in a corn field that wouldn't happen because they would ingest all the fiber at the same time, limiting their hunger for the corn. That is why food companies strip fiber out of food.
Kennedy is totally right about doctors and diet- most don't have a clue or most just don't care. They specialize in their field and get myopic because they make so much fucking money doing just one thing. I had a urologist who literally acted surprised when I told him all I had to do to stop uric acid kidney stones was take a gram or two a day of potassium citrate (and that would cost about 10 cents). I'm sure he really DID know that but then he wouldn't have me as a patient anymore, lol.
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Just eat food as naturally sourced as you can get it and you will be fine. But even then there is no guarantee you can get all the trace minerals that have been stripped out of the soil or never where there in the first place. Magnesium is a great example- most foods don't have it yet it is a critical trace element.
As for protein, 0.8 g per kilo LEAN body weight is only 80 g for your average Mr Olympia Getbigger. it's nearly impossible not to get that much no matter what you eat, lol. I spent quite a few years calorie counting, doing unique diets like keto or Atkins and my normal protein intake never exceeded 100 g on average.
The obesity crisis isn't due to people eating normally - it's due to the doctored food supply. Most foods have been engineered to bypass satiety causing you to eat them to excess. it's no different than for livestock. Cattle, for example, do not over eat when grazing- but the moment you fed them milled corn they literally explode with fat. If you let them loose in a corn field that wouldn't happen because they would ingest all the fiber at the same time, limiting their hunger for the corn. That is why food companies strip fiber out of food.
Kennedy is totally right about doctors and diet- most don't have a clue or most just don't care. They specialize in their field and get myopic because they make so much fucking money doing just one thing. I had a urologist who literally acted surprised when I told him all I had to do to stop uric acid kidney stones was take a gram or two a day of potassium citrate (and that would cost about 10 cents). I'm sure he really DID know that but then he wouldn't have me as a patient anymore, lol.
Potassium supps might be dangerous for some. Some athletes on hardcore forums said they took up to 10 grams of that pre-workout for endurance. My potassium is borderline high so docs have warned against supps.
But yeah, I hear what you're saying. Companies make food hyper-palatable to increase consumption obviously. I've also argued that food availability in general is a "problem." Which is why I've said the only real solution I see for combating obesity in our societies where food is plentiful even for the poor is pharma options, for example the glp-1 drugs. Most simply won't eat naturally sourced food or whatever, you can talk about willpower and so on but they won't change out of their free will.
I eat whatever I like, and I happen like vegetables, so I'm actually going overboard with that, fiber intake too high. As you know many influencers say veggies and fiber are outright harmful. I don't think so, in moderation.
Nasser claimed to eat 80 grams of protein in the off-season, 600 pre-contest. The off-season claim was obvious BS, probably ate twice that just for breakfast.
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The US is like a parody, you have a non-doctor telling docs what to do. As if telling fat fucking lazy people to eat clean will work lol and he says me and ms mcmahon LOLOLOL. The wife of the wrestling mogul who is equally unqualified for her role.
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The US is like a parody, you have a non-doctor telling docs what to do. As if telling fat fucking lazy people to eat clean will work lol and he says me and ms mcmahon LOLOLOL. The wife of the wrestling mogul who is equally unqualified for her role.
Comrade Necrosis gives his opinion.
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Potassium supps might be dangerous for some. Some athletes on hardcore forums said they took up to 10 grams of that pre-workout for endurance. My potassium is borderline high so docs have warned against supps.
But yeah, I hear what you're saying. Companies make food hyper-palatable to increase consumption obviously. I've also argued that food availability in general is a "problem." Which is why I've said the only real solution I see for combating obesity in our societies where food is plentiful even for the poor is pharma options, for example the glp-1 drugs. Most simply won't eat naturally sourced food or whatever, you can talk about willpower and so on but they won't change out of their free will.
I eat whatever I like, and I happen like vegetables, so I'm actually going overboard with that, fiber intake too high. As you know many influencers say veggies and fiber are outright harmful. I don't think so, in moderation.
Nasser claimed to eat 80 grams of protein in the off-season, 600 pre-contest. The off-season claim was obvious BS, probably ate twice that just for breakfast.
Taking a potassium supplement is very useful but taking 10 grams is retarded, lol. That case can be made for nearly ANY supplement/drug - Vitamin A, Vitamin D, aspirin, decongestant, etc. Even high doses of Vitamin C over time lead to oxalate stones. But in no case do we not take vitamin C, lol
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The US is like a parody, you have a non-doctor telling docs what to do. As if telling fat fucking lazy people to eat clean will work lol and he says me and ms mcmahon LOLOLOL. The wife of the wrestling mogul who is equally unqualified for her role.
Oh, you mean a parody like non-soldiers sending young men off to die in wars? I guess a civilian can't be commander in chief then, according to your dream world.
You live in the most fucked up country in the northern hemisphere. Justin Trudeau was the most unqualified ape ever to hold office yet you jacked off on his picture daily.
Fuck off Necrosis- you are nowhere near as smart as you fantasize you are. Just because your fellow baristas at Starbucks said you were doesn't make it true.
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Taking a potassium supplement is very useful but taking 10 grams is retarded, lol. That case can be made for nearly ANY supplement/drug - Vitamin A, Vitamin D, aspirin, decongestant, etc. Even high doses of Vitamin C over time lead to oxalate stones. But in no case do we not take vitamin C, lol
Capped potassium supps are limited to 100mg elemental per dose if I'm not mistaken, so as not to kill susceptible individuals.
"Potassium citrate is approximately 38.3% potassium by mass"
Russians used to take these "Kalii Orotas" tablets as a natural agent to help athletes, the orotate salt thought to be especially good form of potassium. As I recall my Belorussian BB friend talked about it.
https://drdoping.com/blog/potassium-orotate/
I think in neighboring Norway high dose vitamin C is restricted.
I've been megadosing some vitamins, like right now I'm taking a million percent of the RDA of B12 :o
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The US is like a parody, you have a non-doctor telling docs what to do. As if telling fat fucking lazy people to eat clean will work lol and he says me and ms mcmahon LOLOLOL. The wife of the wrestling mogul who is equally unqualified for her role.
RFK Jr’s predecessor who thinks a 3 year old knows its gender, it’s okay to give children puberty blockers, who thinks child mutilation changes a male to a female…and by the looks of HIM is legit mentally Ill
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^^^ Being gay or transgender was a prerequisite for a Biden cabinet position.
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^^^ Being gay or transgender was a prerequisite for a Biden cabinet position.
I'm a liberal Biden supporter for posting this.
You’re as fucking liberal as any liberal on this board. But I give you a C- for trying to play it off.
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One can only add "no homo" to that...
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I agree that general practitioners should be more educated when it comes to diet and nutrition. My doc has a general idea about proper nutrition and exercise but he asks me for advice when I'm there for my yearly check-up.
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Oh, you mean a parody like non-soldiers sending young men off to die in wars? I guess a civilian can't be commander in chief then, according to your dream world.
You live in the most fucked up country in the northern hemisphere. Justin Trudeau was the most unqualified ape ever to hold office yet you jacked off on his picture daily.
Fuck off Necrosis- you are nowhere near as smart as you fantasize you are. Just because your fellow baristas at Starbucks said you were doesn't make it true.
Meltdown, there is no school required to be a president, there isn't truly any training and it certainly isn't a scientific discipline. However, being a doctor is, it requires intense training and know how, so to conflate the presidency with something like a doctor is stupid. Well played!
You are melting down pretty hard here lol.
With education I would expect the minister to have a PHD, a lifetime or highly esteemed career in education, not running a pretend fighting organization for mouth breathing morons.
RFK has repeatedly said absolutely retarded things
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He repeatedly misrepresents the data, misquotes stats and likely has never even done a stats course in his life, hence, he cannot interpret studies.
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RFK Jr’s predecessor who thinks a 3 year old knows its gender, it’s okay to give children puberty blockers, who thinks child mutilation changes a male to a female…and by the looks of HIM is legit mentally Ill
I am not really interested in opinions when it comes to science. With Lupron what do the studies say? The terms you are using are very politically charged, mutilation?
I am also not overly interested in the gender shit, every one I have met with dysphoria has mental health issues, trauma , autism etc that again doesn't mean that treatment can't be physical, however, I disagree with it but admittedly have not gone through all the data on outcomes etc.
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I am not really interested in opinions when it comes to science. With Lupron what do the studies say? The terms you are using are very politically charged, mutilation?
I am also not overly interested in the gender shit, every one I have met with dysphoria has mental health issues, trauma , autism etc that again doesn't mean that treatment can't be physical, however, I disagree with it but admittedly have not gone through all the data on outcomes etc.
So you're saying that a person is less qualified for this position because he doesn't hold an MD, phD or otherwise even though he's probably done more research In this field of health sciences (without an agenda) through his legal work in the last 40 years. Am I understand this correctly?
I want to have this conversation because over at the very least, 5 years the left have done everything they could to discredit the medical field to fit their agenda and sway public opinion. They've corrupted the CDC, AMA, NEJM and more by either removing relevant information or suppressing it.
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The doctor could give perfect nutrition advices and it wouldn't make a difference in the American obesity epidemic. Americans are fat and lazy and no amount of good information will change this. It is a culture problem. It is not a healthcare problem.
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So you're saying that a person is less qualified for this position because he doesn't hold an MD, phD or otherwise even though he's probably done more research In this field of health sciences (without an agenda) through his legal work in the last 40 years. Am I understand this correctly?
I want to have this conversation because over at the very least, 5 years the left have done everything they could to discredit the medical field to fit their agenda and sway public opinion. They've corrupted the CDC, AMA, NEJM and more by either removing relevant information or suppressing it.
Thats an insane take. He has done absolutely no where near enough research (he cannot even read it properly as evidenced by the video) to voice his opinion in the realm of MDs and PHD's, what a load of shit lololol. He has continually shown he has no idea what he is talking about, he has said he has no idea about vaccines but knows a lot about mercury. That's not even true, he knows about mercury in a toxicological sense but is not a chemist, hasn't made one thermometer in his life etc
You realize that medical research is conducted all over the world right? Any doctor or PHD worth his salt would not politicize his findings or use that as a guiding principle. There are many countries that vehemently oppose the US that have produced research that is available for anyone to scrutinize.
Quick question, do you believe evolution is correct?
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The doctor could give perfect nutrition advices and it wouldn't make a difference in the American obesity epidemic. Americans are fat and lazy and no amount of good information will change this. It is a culture problem. It is not a healthcare problem.
This is correct
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The doctor could give perfect nutrition advices and it wouldn't make a difference in the American obesity epidemic. Americans are fat and lazy and no amount of good information will change this. It is a culture problem. It is not a healthcare problem.
Agreed. Culture and food availability problem IMO. Like I said I don't see any solution to obesity other than pharma. Which doesn't have to be so negative if the drugs are fairly benign as far as serious sides.
Quick question, do you believe evolution is correct?
I have very little idea about evolution but in general do you think there might be something that has been missed so far as far as human origins? Maybe this is a too complicated question for getbig, taking too much space and effort to answer. I've read some articles by a fella named Fred Reed who has some problems with the accepted view of human origins but I have no way of properly evaluating it...
https://www.unz.com/freed/darwin-unhinged-the-bugs-in-evolution/
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Thats an insane take. He has done absolutely no where near enough research (he cannot even read it properly as evidenced by the video) to voice his opinion in the realm of MDs and PHD's, what a load of shit lololol. He has continually shown he has no idea what he is talking about, he has said he has no idea about vaccines but knows a lot about mercury. That's not even true, he knows about mercury in a toxicological sense but is not a chemist, hasn't made one thermometer in his life etc
You realize that medical research is conducted all over the world right? Any doctor or PHD worth his salt would not politicize his findings or use that as a guiding principle. There are many countries that vehemently oppose the US that have produced research that is available for anyone to scrutinize.
Quick question, do you believe evolution is correct?
So you’re saying only doctors are qualified and no one else can come to conclusions. Am I understanding you correctly?
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Agreed. Culture and food availability problem IMO. Like I said I don't see any solution to obesity other than pharma. Which doesn't have to be so negative if the drugs are fairly benign as far as serious sides.
I have very little idea about evolution but in general do you think there might be something that has been missed so far as far as human origins? Maybe this is a too complicated question for getbig, taking too much space and effort to answer. I've read some articles by a fella named Fred Reed who has some problems with the accepted view of human origins but I have no way of properly evaluating it...
https://www.unz.com/freed/darwin-unhinged-the-bugs-in-evolution/
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Human origins or the origin of life? abiogenesis is a disputed topic but there are plenty of ideas that have been shown to work in actually biological systems. I do think the idea of life is problematic as is the idea of cognitive. Certain materials exhibit intelligent behaviour, tripaldi wrote a book called parallel minds which dives into this idea quite clearly and lucidly. We know that things like auto-catalytic sets, autopoetic systems and dissipative structures (systems far from equilibrium, like us) show order and organization that is self-propelled (self-organizing). Molecules show this behaviour. Chance and stochasticity is inherent in the system (we know this from chaos theory) and we know from complexity theory that local interactions lead to complex behaviour that is not co-ordinated except for simple local rules-- think of birds mumuring birds- each one follows simple rules based off the interactions adjacent or immediate to them and this forms complex patterns, simple cells do this to form complex organs etc.
I am not super up on evolution in terms of the newest stuff but it is very well established and makes a lot of predictions. Technically its a theory which is simply an explanation of facts, the fact that we have different species in explained by mutation and natural selection and the above concepts.
i think the idea that is missed in that article, which has been proven, is evolution is absolutely blind and requires chance/randomness. For example they have done studies with bacterial lines in which the exact same local environments are set up (so that whatever occurs is inherent to the bacteria) and the lines all evolve differently, one even learned to eat the medium (citrate) that the others could not. It was random mutation and chance. So evolution is non-teleological- we didnt have to evolve and this explains why some creatures are poorly adapted, it didnt have to happen and once you add in context and environment (the idea of ecology) its impossible to predict.
I am not sure if that answers your question in any way lolol but I think stuart kaufmann is right with respect to abiogenesis and auto-catalytic sets were the cause.
I do think philosophically deleuzes idea of virtuality and difference helps understand this stuff more clearly, there is no outside force (transcendent) that guides things along or was needed, its all immanent and the possibilities of life exceed the actualities we see, things self-organize or are autopoetic and recursive.
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So you’re saying only doctors are qualified and no one else can come to conclusions. Am I understanding you correctly?
When it comes to medicine? yes of course. That's the whole point of education. I also think that applies to physics, the law etc. others can certainly have opinions and even good ones but without proper vetting and training you end up with terrence howard who thinks 1x1 doesn't equal 1. Claims can be verified and those with degrees of that nature are considered experts.
I think the word qualified is key here. It implies expertise to my mind
Do I think its possible for a laymen or independent scholar to come to conclusions that are sound, yes? would I trust them, most likely not unless they have shown comprehension. This is the issue with him on medicine, health, he has not shown comprehension across the board as someone who studied the subject.
For example, I can learn how to bench press and probably pour over it in great detail, learn the anatomy, biomechanics and perhaps metabolic adaptations of hypertrophy, both sarcoplasmic and myofibrillar yet without knowing the bigger picture, how it relates to everything else on the body I will likely miss numerous things and cannot be considered an expert on biomechanics (since the body works via tensegrity anyhow).
If we just throw out proper qualifications, ones we all agree are required to be an expert, whats the point?
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Supposedly the healthiest meal is white fish with fresh cooked spinach, dark berries of some kind and either oats or potatoes
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Supposedly the healthiest meal is white fish with fresh cooked spinach, dark berries of some kind and either oats or potatoes
If you add 2 caps of GAKIC to that you would be correct.
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If you add 2 caps of GAKIC to that you would be correct.
What's that?
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What's that?
its a product by muscletech that stops myostatin in its tracks! its what jay cutler used to become mister olympia!!
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its a product by muscletech that stops myostatin in its tracks! its what jay cutler used to become mister olympia!!
Hahahahahaha
Gay butler
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When it comes to medicine? yes of course. That's the whole point of education. I also think that applies to physics, the law etc. others can certainly have opinions and even good ones but without proper vetting and training you end up with terrence howard who thinks 1x1 doesn't equal 1. Claims can be verified and those with degrees of that nature are considered experts.
I think the word qualified is key here. It implies expertise to my mind
Do I think its possible for a laymen or independent scholar to come to conclusions that are sound, yes? would I trust them, most likely not unless they have shown comprehension. This is the issue with him on medicine, health, he has not shown comprehension across the board as someone who studied the subject.
For example, I can learn how to bench press and probably pour over it in great detail, learn the anatomy, biomechanics and perhaps metabolic adaptations of hypertrophy, both sarcoplasmic and myofibrillar yet without knowing the bigger picture, how it relates to everything else on the body I will likely miss numerous things and cannot be considered an expert on biomechanics (since the body works via tensegrity anyhow).
If we just throw out proper qualifications, ones we all agree are required to be an expert, whats the point?
The highlighted. In what way? Just about his entire law background and litigation for the past 40 or so years was basically in that field environmental health. As far as vetting, based on the outcome of the last administration, especially DHS, there was little vetting and complete DEI appointment. Their vetting was basically, have a degree, be trans with no recent criminal background and adhear to the their agenda. Not kidding.
Wife's cousin was In charge of two Presidential transition teams. Vetting is rigorous (or should be)and takes months or you don't make it. Don't think for one second that this was the case for RFK simply because he is a Kennedy and a Democrat (former)
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The highlighted. In what way? Just about his entire law background and litigation for the past 40 or so years was basically in that field environmental health. As far as vetting, based on the outcome of the last administration, especially DHS, there was little vetting and complete DEI appointment. Their vetting was basically, have a degree, be trans with no recent criminal background and adhear to the their agenda. Not kidding.
Wife's cousin was In charge of two Presidential transition teams. Vetting is rigorous (or should be)and takes months or you don't make it. Don't think for one second that this was the case for RFK simply because he is a Kennedy and a Democrat (former)
he has also repeatedly misquoted statistics from studies, orders of magnitude. He says things like beef tallow is healthy when there is little evidence to suggest that over say avocado oil. I posted a video above going through his claims and another just now.
He is trained as a lawyer, not doctor or health expert. In trials you call in experts in those fields, no one is going to listen to a lawyer who says trust me bro, I read this stuff. I am sure he did the same in all his cases. So while the word health might be involved here in his legal disputes, he would be expert in environmental health law, not environmental health, huge difference.
He keeps saying vaccines cause autism or has- yet every well reputed study, both in the US and outside with millions of kids show no connection. He was big on thimerosal being the cause (simply because he only knows mercury) yet when thimerosal was removed from vaccines no change in the rates of autism were noted. He has said vaccines have have toxins- he clearly doesn't understand the term, they could not. He has claimed they have fetal debris, they do not.
Now, I agree with him on the psychedelics, nutrition etc.. but I would bet he doesnt know how they work.
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He has also claimed that HIV doesn't cause aids, that germ theory is incorrect and its do to miasmas and toxins from terrain theory. Its retarded!
The MAHA report had numerous citations that simply didn't exist, no credible doctor would ever do such a thing, its embarrassing. It wasn't formatting errors, they provided the citation, authors, title and quoted from the study that did not exist.
the brain drain that is occurring in the states is shocking. RFK wants to ban most journals and instead force those to use his journal lolol
Sad dystopian shit.
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What's his cycle?
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What's his cycle?
two gallons of raw milk emulsified in beef tallow and fresh air along with two shots of vocal cord grease. Pre-workout he relies on the strength of his lord and saviour jesus christ.
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two gallons of raw milk emulsified in beef tallow and fresh air along with two shots of vocal cord grease. Pre-workout he relies on the strength of his lord and saviour jesus christ.
He does seem like quite the dickhead
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Human origins or the origin of life? abiogenesis is a disputed topic but there are plenty of ideas that have been shown to work in actually biological systems. I do think the idea of life is problematic as is the idea of cognitive. Certain materials exhibit intelligent behaviour, tripaldi wrote a book called parallel minds which dives into this idea quite clearly and lucidly. We know that things like auto-catalytic sets, autopoetic systems and dissipative structures (systems far from equilibrium, like us) show order and organization that is self-propelled (self-organizing). Molecules show this behaviour. Chance and stochasticity is inherent in the system (we know this from chaos theory) and we know from complexity theory that local interactions lead to complex behaviour that is not co-ordinated except for simple local rules-- think of birds mumuring birds- each one follows simple rules based off the interactions adjacent or immediate to them and this forms complex patterns, simple cells do this to form complex organs etc.
I am not super up on evolution in terms of the newest stuff but it is very well established and makes a lot of predictions. Technically its a theory which is simply an explanation of facts, the fact that we have different species in explained by mutation and natural selection and the above concepts.
i think the idea that is missed in that article, which has been proven, is evolution is absolutely blind and requires chance/randomness. For example they have done studies with bacterial lines in which the exact same local environments are set up (so that whatever occurs is inherent to the bacteria) and the lines all evolve differently, one even learned to eat the medium (citrate) that the others could not. It was random mutation and chance. So evolution is non-teleological- we didnt have to evolve and this explains why some creatures are poorly adapted, it didnt have to happen and once you add in context and environment (the idea of ecology) its impossible to predict.
I am not sure if that answers your question in any way lolol but I think stuart kaufmann is right with respect to abiogenesis and auto-catalytic sets were the cause.
I do think philosophically deleuzes idea of virtuality and difference helps understand this stuff more clearly, there is no outside force (transcendent) that guides things along or was needed, its all immanent and the possibilities of life exceed the actualities we see, things self-organize or are autopoetic and recursive.
Thanks. I know too little science to even have a vague opinion on what you said her lol. One idea that has been floated, perhaps by total morons, is that human life or a predecessor arrived from outer space ??? :D Hell, many think our "reality" is just an illusion :D
Regarding this other wider discussion on who is an expert on health or whatever, my first post on the bodybuilding forums was "who are the experts?" because I wanted to read the most well regarded ones first to get some type of overview. There have been discussions here on who or what to believe on for example subjects like Covid and vaccines. I was saying that it's sort of ridiculous when a total layman has very strong opinions on this stuff, never having studied it or without even having any science related education. I have zero education on anything myself but more educated ones here said it's absolutely moronic to believe in "experts" or "studies" and folks can easily determine Covid and the vaxx was fake and so on. I remember asking MajorDomo on how to know what info to believe but I got none the wiser (not an attack on you Major, just honestly curious about all this). Of course I have my own views on Covid and am critical of how it was handled by TPTB, but at the same time I thought absolute morons had some very strong unfounded opinions too... nanorobots, killing most of the world on purpose and so on. I personally enjoy the conspiracy theory that the virus was US made, which has been advanced by Ron Unz. Suspicion is one thing but being sure is another.
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Supposedly the healthiest meal is white fish with fresh cooked spinach, dark berries of some kind and either oats or potatoes
I've been eating a lot of leafy greens lately, spinach and aragula leaves (I think that's the US word for what we call ruccola).
Some call oats a nature's junk food. I'm not saying it, "they" are. Oats do hinder some vitamin and mineral absorption for example. Love potatoes.
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Necrosis is full of shit.
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I’m sure switching from corn syrup to cane sugar and seed oils to tallow will make these fat excessive calorie consuming Americans slim down nicely…….
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he has also repeatedly misquoted statistics from studies, orders of magnitude. He says things like beef tallow is healthy when there is little evidence to suggest that over say avocado oil. I posted a video above going through his claims and another just now.
He is trained as a lawyer, not doctor or health expert. In trials you call in experts in those fields, no one is going to listen to a lawyer who says trust me bro, I read this stuff. I am sure he did the same in all his cases. So while the word health might be involved here in his legal disputes, he would be expert in environmental health law, not environmental health, huge difference.
He keeps saying vaccines cause autism or has- yet every well reputed study, both in the US and outside with millions of kids show no connection. He was big on thimerosal being the cause (simply because he only knows mercury) yet when thimerosal was removed from vaccines no change in the rates of autism were noted. He has said vaccines have have toxins- he clearly doesn't understand the term, they could not. He has claimed they have fetal debris, they do not.
Now, I agree with him on the psychedelics, nutrition etc.. but I would bet he doesnt know how they work.
The corruption
https://x.com/maha_pac/status/1754268297091035374?s=46
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I've been eating a lot of leafy greens lately, spinach and aragula leaves (I think that's the US word for what we call ruccola).
Some call oats a nature's junk food. I'm not saying it, "they" are. Oats do hinder some vitamin and mineral absorption for example. Love potatoes.
Potatoes do a great job of making ya feel.full
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I’m sure switching from corn syrup to cane sugar and seed oils to tallow will make these fat excessive calorie consuming Americans slim down nicely…….
Seed oils cause inflammation in the arteries which results in atherosclerosis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atherosclerosis
A high carb diet (typical Western diet) causes high insulin production which makes the body store fat and and ultimately results in a failing pancreas and diabetes.
This fat storage mechanism was a useful survival process in primitive times of food scarcity but in modern society where food is plentiful just makes people fat.
This is why the very low/no carb diet (Gironda meat and eggs) burns fat and gets you ripped.
You don't have to go that extreme but you should greatly reduce carb consumption from the 300-400 grams a day Western Diet.
Your daily carb intake should be below 100 grams.
Processed foods in the U.S. just about always contain both seed oils and lots of carbs.
"Metabolic syndrome is a clustering of at least three of the following five medical conditions: abdominal obesity, high blood pressure, high blood sugar, high serum triglycerides, and low serum high-density lipoprotein. Metabolic syndrome is associated with the risk of developing cardiovascular disease and type 2 diabetes."
Typical Western Diet that results in Metabolic Syndrome.
(https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Evalds-Raits/publication/332880441/figure/fig4/AS:768554194460672@1560249007336/Typical-Western-diet-food-pyramid-made-by-author-based-on-Cordain-et-al-2005.png)
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Seed oils cause inflammation in the arteries which results in atherosclerosis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atherosclerosis
A high carb diet (typical Western diet) causes high insulin production which makes the body store fat and and ultimately results in a failing pancreas and diabetes.
This fat storage mechanism was a useful survival process in primitive times of food scarcity but in modern society where food is plentiful just makes people fat.
This is why the very low/no carb diet (Gironda meat and eggs) burns fat and gets you ripped.
You don't have to go that extreme but you should greatly reduce carb consumption from the 300-400 grams a day Western Diet.
Your daily carb intake should be below 100 grams.
Processed foods in the U.S. just about always contain both seed oils and lots of carbs.
Typical Western Diet that results in Metabolic Syndrome.
"Metabolic syndrome is a clustering of at least three of the following five medical conditions: abdominal obesity, high blood pressure, high blood sugar, high serum triglycerides, and low serum high-density lipoprotein. Metabolic syndrome is associated with the risk of developing cardiovascular disease and type 2 diabetes."
(https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Evalds-Raits/publication/332880441/figure/fig4/AS:768554194460672@1560249007336/Typical-Western-diet-food-pyramid-made-by-author-based-on-Cordain-et-al-2005.png)
I would ask taht you please refrain from giving out any nutrition advice except on the nutrition board. There I can monitor and cull you as I see fit. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
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Hopefully someone kills him very soon
Good riddance shitstainn
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I would ask taht you please refrain from giving out any nutrition advice except on the nutrition board. There I can monitor and cull you as I see fit. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Reported to moderators!
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Reported to moderators!
Loser alert!!!
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Loser alert!!!
No shit
What a pussy
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No shit
What a pussy
Stop eating so much, dj.
You're fat.
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A high carb diet (typical Western diet) causes high insulin production which makes the body store fat and and ultimately results in a failing pancreas and diabetes.
Insulin in itself might not be the problem. GLP-1 drugs increase insulin secretion in diabetics but lower weight, for example :D
Insulin causing obesity is faulty logic IMO. I was eating at least 400 grams of plain sugar a day and my abdominal skinfolds got so thin they couldn't even administer a subq injection at hospital. Now post-hospital I added both basal and meal insulin, gained about 17lbs so far and skinfolds are the same :D
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The big problem is that even if the docs receive more 'proper' nutrition education no one will believe that it's actually correct. Getbiggers won't even agree to how one should eat. People here and everywhere on the net rail against the FDA recs but I don't think they are necessarily so bad, like currently. Some getbiggers think it recommends too much protein for example, .8 grams per kilo body weight to sustain optimal health, saying you only need 50 grams or whatever. Carnivores would say the fruit and veg recs are dangerous. But if everyone in the West ate as the US FDA recommended there wouldn't be an obesity crisis obviously.
This is spot on.
But our guidelines are completely botched here, and people really do need to be taught the basics.
If we can get folks eating less processed stuff, a bit more protein, better sleep, and moving more, it can shift things dramatically for individuals, and overall health for the country.
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Insulin in itself might not be the problem. GLP-1 drugs increase insulin secretion in diabetics but lower weight, for example :D
Insulin causing obesity is faulty logic IMO. I was eating at least 400 grams of plain sugar a day and my abdominal skinfolds got so thin they couldn't even administer a subq injection at hospital. Now post-hospital I added both basal and meal insulin, gained about 17lbs so far and skinfolds are the same :D
You can achieve very low bodyfat levels eating only carbs.
Insulin production is part of the process of fat storage after glycogen needs for energy are met.
If you are altering your body's natural processes with drugs then all expectations change.
Why would you eat 400g of table sugar a day?
I'd be interested to know what your factors are that are noted as being an indication of metabolic syndrome.
Cardiovascular disease and Type 2 diabetes are conditions that progress over decades.
Note that total cholesterol and LDL levels are not part of the diagnosis of metabolic syndrome.
Most doctors however focus on these two factors.
"Metabolic syndrome is a clustering of at least three of the following five medical conditions: abdominal obesity, high blood pressure, high blood sugar, high serum triglycerides, and low serum high-density lipoprotein. Metabolic syndrome is associated with the risk of developing cardiovascular disease and type 2 diabetes."
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Overeaiting calories is what's causing fatfucks dipshit
Not over consuming carbs
Get the fuck outta here with that horseshit
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Seed oils cause inflammation in the arteries which results in atherosclerosis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atherosclerosis
A high carb diet (typical Western diet) causes high insulin production which makes the body store fat and and ultimately results in a failing pancreas and diabetes.
This fat storage mechanism was a useful survival process in primitive times of food scarcity but in modern society where food is plentiful just makes people fat.
This is why the very low/no carb diet (Gironda meat and eggs) burns fat and gets you ripped.
You don't have to go that extreme but you should greatly reduce carb consumption from the 300-400 grams a day Western Diet.
Your daily carb intake should be below 100 grams.
Processed foods in the U.S. just about always contain both seed oils and lots of carbs.
"Metabolic syndrome is a clustering of at least three of the following five medical conditions: abdominal obesity, high blood pressure, high blood sugar, high serum triglycerides, and low serum high-density lipoprotein. Metabolic syndrome is associated with the risk of developing cardiovascular disease and type 2 diabetes."
Typical Western Diet that results in Metabolic Syndrome.
(https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Evalds-Raits/publication/332880441/figure/fig4/AS:768554194460672@1560249007336/Typical-Western-diet-food-pyramid-made-by-author-based-on-Cordain-et-al-2005.png)
You greatly missed my point, Natty.
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this is the same kind of wishy washy stuff that Michelle Obama was peddling years ago.
If Kennedy really wants to address the nations eating problems why does he not just regulate the food industry better
He Probably doesn't have the appetite or balls to take on powerful interests.
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this is the same kind of wishy washy stuff that Michelle Obama was peddling years ago.
If Kennedy really wants to address the nations eating problems why does he not just regulate the food industry better
He Probably doesn't have the appetite or balls to take on powerful interests.
Exactly he's a bought and paid slut whore for big food
And excess calories make you fat not carbs or processed foods
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And excess calories make you fat not carbs or processed foods
really?
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Overeaiting calories coffee and water is what's causing fatfucks dipshit
Not over consuming carbs
Get the fuck outta here with that horseshit
You're very fat, dj.
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I’m sure switching from corn syrup to cane sugar and seed oils to tallow will make these fat excessive calorie consuming Americans slim down nicely…….
Sorry bone, went off preaching.
Yep, that won't cure the fatties.
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Thanks. I know too little science to even have a vague opinion on what you said her lol. One idea that has been floated, perhaps by total morons, is that human life or a predecessor arrived from outer space ??? :D Hell, many think our "reality" is just an illusion :D
Regarding this other wider discussion on who is an expert on health or whatever, my first post on the bodybuilding forums was "who are the experts?" because I wanted to read the most well regarded ones first to get some type of overview. There have been discussions here on who or what to believe on for example subjects like Covid and vaccines. I was saying that it's sort of ridiculous when a total layman has very strong opinions on this stuff, never having studied it or without even having any science related education. I have zero education on anything myself but more educated ones here said it's absolutely moronic to believe in "experts" or "studies" and folks can easily determine Covid and the vaxx was fake and so on. I remember asking MajorDomo on how to know what info to believe but I got none the wiser (not an attack on you Major, just honestly curious about all this). Of course I have my own views on Covid and am critical of how it was handled by TPTB, but at the same time I thought absolute morons had some very strong unfounded opinions too... nanorobots, killing most of the world on purpose and so on. I personally enjoy the conspiracy theory that the virus was US made, which has been advanced by Ron Unz. Suspicion is one thing but being sure is another.
Anyone who is commenting on the science of covid that is unable to tease apart a study can be summarily dismissed. That would go less so in my opinion on public health as the information then enters the polis and that is a very complex issue that imo could never be done correctly, particularly with hindsight. People fail to account for hindsight bias and think things that are clear now would have been obvious then.
Reality is technically an illusion per se, the brain generates "reality" using predictive processing. This is an age ol debate in philosophy, Kant described reality as a phenomenal realm- the objects we see that have a noumenal realm beneath it- what reality is like in itself (ding an sich). He postulated this because he realized (and this was a copernican revolution of sorts) that objects have the qualities they have because we are import them as such, we see redness but in itself its wavelengths etc..
The brain gives us a reality that is attuned to fitness (keeping us alive) rather then truth. In fact the self- your sense of you, your ego- is simply a fiction- its a program being run by your default mode network in conjunction with your saliance network (brain structures) and they can be shut down or decoupled during ego dissolution- you could call this the mystical state, selflessness, sunyata, moksha, jivan mukti, nirvana or any number of things.
I think most people are not overly intellectually curious and don't read very much tbh.
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really?
Look up the law of thermodynamics
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Look up the law of thermodynamics
Explain to me, because I don't have your level of intelligence, why carbs and processed foods have no calories.
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If you are altering your body's natural processes with drugs then all expectations change.
Why would you eat 400g of table sugar a day?
I'd be interested to know what your factors are that are noted as being an indication of metabolic syndrome.
I'm on "sports TRT" pretty much. Roids but no GH.
I have had catastrophic abdominal obesity for a long time. Ate absurd amounts of sugars and carbs for decades with zero consideration wrt health. Periodically extra insulin on top. No excuses, just what I did. When I've had my a1c, and of course fasting glucose tested it's always been normal, amazingly enough. I had pancreatitis in December of last year, it cleared up, but last about 3 months I again started feeling something was wrong. I was losing weight, appetite was poor, but I could drink Cokes so I drank up 12 cans a day to try to stop the weight loss. I also drank a lot of RTDs and 2 solid meals where I tried to eat fatty meats with gravy and so on. But I got amazingly lean for the first time in my life, I mean who can't do subq insulin shots in the belly due to there being no fat? LOL. Doctors didn't think the illness itself changed my metabolism, I must have simply eaten less, but I kinda doubt that.
When I was fat I could sometimes shoot a large dose of insulin and not eat so my insulin sensitivity must have been absolute shit. I don't know how much damage my lifetime consumption of sugar has done to my body, must be considerable, but I don't have high cholesterol or trigs, my HDL though is low due to roids. Currently my insulin sensitivity is extremely high based on my reaction to comparatively very low doses of injected insulin and it's working very well for what I'm using it for.
I'm trying to change my eating habits at this very late stage of my life. It's cool being lean, always thought it was ideal but couldn't muster the motivation to actually get lean. Now that I'm lean let's see if I can keep it :D
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Are you sub 6 vanb?
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Are you sub 6 vanb?
Absolutely not, I'm at least twice that though I really can't tell myself. It's just mainly my stomach and arms that got very lean. But I think I theoretically could get "ripped" fairly quickly since I got a head start so to speak. But I have to put muscle back on now, my thighs almost curve inwards from the knee LOL (cry); I'll try to limit fat gain though. I was at the supermarket the other day and there were some salesmen outside with tables and one goes, holy shit, you must lift a lot, I think only because of my veiny forearms. I had a headset on and pretended not to hear :D
I'm up about 8kg in a couple of weeks from insulin, extra carbs and creatine and the veins on my stomach are protruding even more, but they are ugly as fuck tbh. Pumps are back and lifting is fun 8)
I was taking something called "Super Cardarine" before my illness, a more potent version of Cardarine, I wonder if that contributed to my leaning out; that's what it's suppose to do anyway. Probably also helped increase my insulin sensitivity.
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He wants the doctors to look as fit and healthy as himself? ???
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2a/RFKJr--TheWoodlandsTX--Ironman--26April2025.jpg/250px-RFKJr--TheWoodlandsTX--Ironman--26April2025.jpg)
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^^^ His face may look old but he's pretty damn fit.
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^^^ His face may look old but he's pretty damn fit.
70 years old.
Lots of time spent in the sun.
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70 years old.
Lots of time spent in the sun.
Yep, leisurely sunning by the pool for decades.
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Absolutely not, I'm at least twice that though I really can't tell myself. It's just mainly my stomach and arms that got very lean. But I think I theoretically could get "ripped" fairly quickly since I got a head start so to speak. But I have to put muscle back on now, my thighs almost curve inwards from the knee LOL (cry); I'll try to limit fat gain though. I was at the supermarket the other day and there were some salesmen outside with tables and one goes, holy shit, you must lift a lot, I think only because of my veiny forearms. I had a headset on and pretended not to hear :D
I'm up about 8kg in a couple of weeks from insulin, extra carbs and creatine and the veins on my stomach are protruding even more, but they are ugly as fuck tbh. Pumps are back and lifting is fun 8)
I was taking something called "Super Cardarine" before my illness, a more potent version of Cardarine, I wonder if that contributed to my leaning out; that's what it's suppose to do anyway. Probably also helped increase my insulin sensitivity.
Yeah but the real reason that tost weight is because you were taking in less cals than you were using
And its much much easier to eat less than exercise more for wekght loss
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Yeah but the real reason that tost weight is because you were taking in less cals than you were using
And its much much easier to eat less than exercise more for wekght loss
For some it might be harder, for us it's easier. Lots of pros have claimed they do cardio pre-contest so they can eat just a little more. For body composition I believe cardio can add benefits apart from just burning calories, it stimulates certain metabolic pathways.
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He wants the doctors to look as fit and healthy as himself? ???
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2a/RFKJr--TheWoodlandsTX--Ironman--26April2025.jpg/250px-RFKJr--TheWoodlandsTX--Ironman--26April2025.jpg)
You're not even from this country but I'll humor you anyway. This is the poster child for mental illness
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You're not even from this country but I'll humor you anyway. This is the poster child for mental illness
What a lovely young lady.
That's a rough looking creature no matter what way you slice it. She or he or whatever as I dont know anything about her could technically be mentally health as it happy, contented, secure etc but its certainly not physically healthy. I don't believe he is mentally healthy but its possible!! ???
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What a lovely young lady.
That's a rough looking creature no matter what way you slice it. She or he or whatever as I dont know anything about her could technically be mentally health as it happy, contented, secure etc but its certainly not physically healthy. I don't believe he is mentally healthy but its possible!! ???
Damn !! Have you just had a Bang to the head.
That Hideous creature is Primes Idol & Heroe - He'll be along with a 5000
Word post telling you all about how great & good it is.
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Damn !! Have you just had a Bang to the head.
That Hideous creature is Primes Idol & Heroe - He'll be along with a 5000
Word post telling you all about how great & good it is.
I know it might be hard to comprehend, but being a heterosexual male I find females attractive. Your homoerotic hobbies and passions are disturbing.
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RFKjr is completely wrecking Senate Dems
https://x.com/realmacreport/status/1963613955051356671?s=46
https://x.com/nicksortor/status/1963624194232512591?s=46
https://x.com/gunthereagleman/status/1963617510441291878?s=46
https://x.com/ericldaugh/status/1963617695598887389?s=46
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RFKjr is completely wrecking Senate Dems
https://x.com/realmacreport/status/1963613955051356671?s=46
https://x.com/nicksortor/status/1963624194232512591?s=46
https://x.com/gunthereagleman/status/1963617510441291878?s=46
https://x.com/ericldaugh/status/1963617695598887389?s=46
Lots of over talking him in these hearings, from what the BBC shows. Seems like some of these senators have come up with tag lines they have waited to use like “this isn’t a podcast Mr Kennedy”. Bullshit tactics on their part.
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RFKjr is completely wrecking Senate Dems
https://x.com/realmacreport/status/1963613955051356671?s=46
https://x.com/nicksortor/status/1963624194232512591?s=46
https://x.com/gunthereagleman/status/1963617510441291878?s=46
https://x.com/ericldaugh/status/1963617695598887389?s=46
Agree with the first clip, the rest is silly.
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Lots of over talking him in these hearings, from what the BBC shows. Seems like some of these senators have come up with tag lines they have waited to use like “this isn’t a podcast Mr Kennedy”. Bullshit tactics on their part.
It’s what they do in every senate hearing especially when it’s televised. It’s ridiculous
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Dems are being destroyed by their own perverted agendas.
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for example, myocarditis is associated with the vaccine, its also has a higher association with covid, getting the virus carries a far higher risk. RFK doesn't seem to know this which is shocking.
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for example, myocarditis is associated with the vaccine, its also has a higher association with covid, getting the virus carries a far higher risk. RFK doesn't seem to know this which is shocking.
Hilarious lol. He destroyed Senate Dems. You really had to stop saying ridiculous shit
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Hilarious lol. He destroyed Senate Dems. You really had to stop saying ridiculous shit
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what are you talking about? he literally sounds like a lunatic. Did you see any more clips or just the ones from right wing media?
What I stated is a fact, one that RFK doesn't seem to understand. As a doctor I can clearly state this man doesn't know what he is talking about. He reminds me of online influencers.
The guy said he has no idea how many people died of covid, if the vaccine prevented deaths, that myocarditis was from the vaccine- the virus has a higher.
I am sorry if you can't accept reality.
Your economy is fucking stalling as well, quote this post. Trump and his ilk are as dumb as fuck. You still probably think tariffs are paid by china.
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what are you talking about? he literally sounds like a lunatic. Did you see any more clips or just the ones from right wing media?
What I stated is a fact, one that RFK doesn't seem to understand. As a doctor I can clearly state this man doesn't know what he is talking about. He reminds me of online influencers.
The guy said he has no idea how many people died of covid, if the vaccine prevented deaths, that myocarditis was from the vaccine- the virus has a higher.
I am sorry if you can't accept reality.
Your economy is fucking stalling as well, quote this post. Trump and his ilk are as dumb as fuck. You still probably think tariffs are paid by china
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Ok lol
https://x.com/vigilantfox/status/1963677407950630959?s=46
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Ok lol
https://x.com/vigilantfox/status/1963677407950630959?s=46
As always, well thought out argumentation on your part!
just keep posting links and videos. I'll be sure to watch them all.
I see the point bernie was making is lost on you.