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Title: Andrew JACKED should be winning the Olympia this year !!
Post by: affeman on October 10, 2025, 11:36:44 PM
Are you kidding me it's not even close. And they never ever even moved him to the center, another f*ing travesty
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Post by: affeman on October 10, 2025, 11:48:16 PM
There is not one single judging criterion (size, conditioning, structure, proportions....) where Samson would be superior to Andrew, still he'll end up in 1st or 2nd and Andrew in 4th. The other 2 are manlets anyway...
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Post by: honest on October 10, 2025, 11:50:41 PM
Might be just the light but Samson looks a little washed out, maybe under the light and up close where the judges are he might be fairing better.
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Post by: Methyl m1ke on October 10, 2025, 11:55:05 PM
Are you kidding me it's not even close. And they never ever even moved him to the center, another f*ing travesty

Hadi for the win it seems
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Post by: Methyl m1ke on October 11, 2025, 12:05:34 AM
Andrew looks a solid second his legs are weak from the side and rear and hes an oil bag. Samson is underwhelming as is derek. Walker in 6th.
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Post by: Coach is Back! on October 11, 2025, 12:18:52 AM
Derek for the win
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Post by: BigRo on October 11, 2025, 02:50:58 AM
1 Derek
2 Hadi
3 Andrew
4 Samson
5 Martin
6 Nick
7 Brandon

Samson probably 3rd but Andrew came in better. Samson lost so much size and still not super conditioned.
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Post by: Van_Bilderass on October 11, 2025, 03:09:35 AM
From these pics, which are not great, If Derek was a little harder he should probably win. I favor Hadi I think. Hard to judge this one. Jackson isn't at all a clear winner in my mind. Samson shouldn't win.
Title: Re: Andrew JACKED should be winning the Olympia this year !!
Post by: affeman on October 11, 2025, 03:41:48 AM
Some HD footage; jeebus Nick looked terrible

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Post by: Methyl m1ke on October 11, 2025, 04:33:24 AM
From these pics, which are not great, If Derek was a little harder he should probably win. I favor Hadi I think. Hard to judge this one. Jackson isn't at all a clear winner in my mind. Samson shouldn't win.

From what ive seen in the past samson will win and it will be "controversial" and I believe Andrew will get second, Hadi and Derek will retire.
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Post by: SF1900 on October 11, 2025, 04:40:38 AM
As long as Nick does not win, I don’t care who wins.
Title: Re: Andrew JACKED should be winning the Olympia this year !!
Post by: affeman on October 11, 2025, 04:48:58 AM
From what ive seen in the past samson will win and it will be "controversial" and I believe Andrew will get second, Hadi and Derek will retire.

Samson is a shadow of his former self, probably tried hard to come in super-shredded this time and lost like 30 % of his mucles and volume (without being harder than last year), completely blew it. I would have Fitzwater ahead of Samson this year.
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Post by: wes on October 11, 2025, 05:19:57 AM
As long as Nick does not win, I don’t care who wins.
X 2
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Post by: Irongrip400 on October 11, 2025, 05:46:36 AM
Some HD footage; jeebus Nick looked terrible



That’s pretty bad, I’m surprised he didn’t pull out of the show.
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Post by: illuminati on October 11, 2025, 06:36:12 AM
1 Derek
2 Hadi
3 Andrew
4 Samson
5 Martin
6 Nick
7 Brandon

Samson probably 3rd but Andrew came in better. Samson lost so much size and still not super conditioned.


X2

That's how they should be placed aftyer prejudging
Just can't see samson in any better than 3/4 spot.
at the moment.
Title: Re: Andrew JACKED should be winning the Olympia this year !!
Post by: BigRo on October 11, 2025, 07:14:14 AM


Title: Re: Andrew JACKED should be winning the Olympia this year !!
Post by: Rambone on October 11, 2025, 07:16:43 AM
What a shitty Olympia lineup. I hope the deaf Iranian wins just to piss everybody off
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Post by: Ssxa on October 11, 2025, 07:38:33 AM
Hadi
Andrew
Derek
Samson
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Post by: Humble Narcissist on October 11, 2025, 08:38:52 AM
Some HD footage; jeebus Nick looked terrible


What's going on with his chest? Is it all oil?
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Post by: Brenda Steunbeer on October 11, 2025, 08:44:19 AM
The two middle eastern midgets looks terrible. Bloated disfigured dwarfs. No wonder Mr Olympia will never go mainstream. Most contestants belong in a circus.
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Post by: Humble Narcissist on October 11, 2025, 08:48:08 AM
The two middle eastern midgets looks terrible. Bloated disfigured dwarfs. No wonder Mr Olympia will never go mainstream. Most contestants belong in a circus.
Yeah, but you had to pay a quarter to go in the circus freak's tent to see them. We can see them for free all together online.
Title: Re: Andrew JACKED should be winning the Olympia this year !!
Post by: beakdoctor on October 11, 2025, 09:03:54 AM
Hadi
Andrew
Derek
Samson

Based on these pic's this is how I would have it. Samson and Nick both lls. Samson lls because he blew his contest prep. Nick lls because Nick looks like shit. Hadi looks best but the oil use is hard to ignore. Same with Andrew. Derek and Samson both look weeks out. Though Derek looks better than Samson.

Imo the 212 guys look better.

From the pre-judging video it looks like Andrea Shaw might lose the Ms.O. Not that anyone cares. I think she's the best looking woman on the stage but it seems like the other competitors are leaner and harder. There's really no way to have a Ms. OLYMPIA  with any femininity.  Its counter intuitive to the whole concept of bodybuilding.  It's an extreme "sport" in which male hormones are used to build muscle. There's never going g to be a Rachel, or Cory, or Lenda again.  I think Lenda is as extreme of a female bodybuilder as you can have before it starts to get ugly up there.
Title: Re: Andrew JACKED should be winning the Olympia this year !!
Post by: Royalty on October 11, 2025, 04:02:03 PM
I bet they give 1st to Lunsford
Title: Re: Andrew JACKED should be winning the Olympia this year !!
Post by: snx on October 11, 2025, 04:14:56 PM
my two cents...

1. Hadi
2. Andrew
3. Derek
4. Samson
Title: Re: Andrew JACKED should be winning the Olympia this year !!
Post by: Methyl m1ke on October 11, 2025, 04:21:38 PM
Samson is a shadow of his former self, probably tried hard to come in super-shredded this time and lost like 30 % of his mucles and volume (without being harder than last year), completely blew it. I would have Fitzwater ahead of Samson this year.

Spot on
Title: Re: Andrew JACKED should be winning the Olympia this year !!
Post by: Methyl m1ke on October 11, 2025, 04:22:20 PM
Hadi
Andrew
Derek
Samson

Correct
Title: Re: Andrew JACKED should be winning the Olympia this year !!
Post by: Methyl m1ke on October 11, 2025, 04:24:00 PM
What's going on with his chest? Is it all oil?

Andrew jacked yeah. Technically all these guys are oil bags but some have at least a little actual muscle underneath.
Title: Re: Andrew JACKED should be winning the Olympia this year !!
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 11, 2025, 04:39:04 PM
1 Derek
2 Hadi
3 Andrew
4 Samson
5 Martin
6 Nick
7 Brandon

Samson probably 3rd but Andrew came in better. Samson lost so much size and still not super conditioned.

Yes on all of this. Good call. Andrew is the best conditioned up there but there's too many holes In his physique and slightly lacks leg size
Title: Re: Andrew JACKED should be winning the Olympia this year !!
Post by: hench on October 11, 2025, 06:21:34 PM
Some HD footage; jeebus Nick looked terrible


Love walkers front tortoise shell spread!
Title: Re: Andrew JACKED should be winning the Olympia this year !!
Post by: AbrahamG on October 11, 2025, 07:19:37 PM
Yes on all of this. Good call. Andrew is the best conditioned up there but there's too many holes In his physique and slightly lacks leg size

Show a pic of the top 4 to 100 people that know nothing about Bodybuilding and 75 will say Andrew should win. Same thing with Big Ramy. He should have won an O or two before he finally did. Andrew looks like he could be the template for the Mr. O statue/trophy.

Pretty poor performances out of the top 6. Only Andrew was at his best. Martin was good. About the same as last year. I'm 212, Keone was very disappointing. I was wrong declaring he'd win the open.
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Post by: RagingBull on October 11, 2025, 07:26:08 PM
Samson looks like a jacked swimmer.  Looks small compared to last year.
Title: Re: Andrew JACKED should be winning the Olympia this year !!
Post by: Royalty on October 11, 2025, 07:35:20 PM
Show a pic of the top 4 to 100 people that know nothing about Bodybuilding and 75 will say Andrew should win. Same thing with Big Ramy. He should have won an O or two before he finally did. Andrew looks like he could be the template for the Mr. O statue/trophy.

Pretty poor performances out of the top 6. Only Andrew was at his best. Martin was good. About the same as last year. I'm 212, Keone was very disappointing. I was wrong declaring he'd win the open.

Are you drunk?
Title: Re: Andrew JACKED should be winning the Olympia this year !!
Post by: RagingBull on October 11, 2025, 07:49:03 PM
Andrew's rear delts look suspicious.
Title: Re: Andrew JACKED should be winning the Olympia this year !!
Post by: Mothballs on October 11, 2025, 08:32:10 PM
Andrew's rear delts look suspicious.
Every IFBB Pro has suspicious bodyparts!

- Hadi's delts
- Derek's arms
- Samson's arms
- Jacked's delts

That's what made Ronnie the GOAT.
Title: Re: Andrew JACKED should be winning the Olympia this year !!
Post by: beakdoctor on October 11, 2025, 08:51:02 PM
Are you drunk?

You are drunk on lunsfords cock.

If you and lunsford pray hard enough, he'll be Mr. O and you'll be heterosexual.
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Post by: Van_Bilderass on October 11, 2025, 09:59:05 PM
Samson looks like a jacked swimmer.  Looks small compared to last year.

A while back joswift posted guest posing pics of Samson which showed the loss of size. I thought he would try to gain some back after some feedback but he didn't. Apparently he has been told he should be a bit harder but he didn't actually get any harder but just lost size.
Title: Re: Andrew JACKED should be winning the Olympia this year !!
Post by: Bevo on October 11, 2025, 10:56:55 PM
You are drunk on lunsfords cock.

If you and lunsford pray hard enough, he'll be Mr. O and you'll be heterosexual.


Hahaha that’s hilarious
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Post by: Beefjake on October 11, 2025, 10:57:34 PM
Nick Walker propably had same prep guy that Greg Valentino had way back then…

Remember when we thougt Paul Dilled had some distracting veins?
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Post by: Coach is Back! on October 11, 2025, 11:09:19 PM
Derek won
Title: Re: Andrew JACKED should be winning the Olympia this year !!
Post by: affeman on October 12, 2025, 12:17:06 AM
Derek won

Best BB on the planet...
Title: Re: Andrew JACKED should be winning the Olympia this year !!
Post by: affeman on October 12, 2025, 12:21:30 AM
Best BB on the planet...
Title: Re: Andrew JACKED should be winning the Olympia this year !!
Post by: Skeletor on October 12, 2025, 12:23:24 AM
1 Derek
2 Hadi
3 Andrew
4 Samson
5 Martin
6 Nick
7 Brandon

Samson probably 3rd but Andrew came in better. Samson lost so much size and still not super conditioned.

Big Ro got it right!
Title: Re: Andrew JACKED should be winning the Olympia this year !!
Post by: joswift on October 12, 2025, 03:18:24 AM
(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=701296.0;attach=1574579;image)

Victor Terra 1988
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/xFQAAOSwoe1mWTq~/s-l1200.jpg)
Title: Re: Andrew JACKED should be winning the Olympia this year !!
Post by: illuminati on October 12, 2025, 06:26:07 AM

Hahaha that’s hilarious

And how did you place against the shorter men ??
Clearly you didn't beat them.
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Post by: Hulkotron on October 12, 2025, 07:00:54 AM
Some HD footage; jeebus Nick looked terrible



The Hebrews both have very short/high calves.
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Post by: Van_Bilderass on October 12, 2025, 07:14:42 AM
I sort of called it from the shitty pics. Derek if he was a little harder should win but I probably favored Hadi.

Some comparisons:
https://www.instagram.com/p/DPs_Pi3jCvx/?igsh=MWs5aHBnbmM3emhpMQ==

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Post by: Wiggs on October 12, 2025, 07:48:29 AM
Hadi should've won. Andrew second. Derek 3rd.

Bob wasn't too far off with that 8th place for Nick.
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Post by: beakdoctor on October 12, 2025, 07:56:23 AM
So, Samson won it last year and came in 4th this year. Samir won it in 83 and came in 6th in 84.

What are the other biggest drops from winning it one year and losing the next? Didn't Ramy go from 1st to 4th?


Also, is Derek just the 2nd person to lose the title on stage and come back to win it? Jay being the first in 09?

(Jesus, has it really been 16 years since Jay's comeback win? That went by fast)
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Post by: Flexacon on October 12, 2025, 08:38:55 AM
Hadi should've won. Andrew second. Derek 3rd.

Bob wasn't too far off with that 8th place for Nick.

Hadi actually won the Finals, but was too far back after prejudging

(https://dm6gyisv608l1.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/2025-IFBB-Professional-League-Mr-Olympia-1-2.png)
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Post by: Coach is Back! on October 12, 2025, 08:44:48 AM
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Post by: Irongrip400 on October 12, 2025, 08:46:47 AM
I am so far removed from caring about this sport that I have no clue, and I really mean that, who any of these guys are by name or face.
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Post by: Coach is Back! on October 12, 2025, 08:47:04 AM
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DKZsDskOJgV/?igsh=MTFwam16aW8wNHViZw==
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Post by: Dave D on October 12, 2025, 08:52:11 AM
What a shitty Olympia lineup. I hope the deaf Iranian wins just to piss everybody off

I thought Louie was Italian?

What a weekend, apparently I didn’t know anything about this Irainian former sheet metal worker.
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Post by: US MUSL on October 12, 2025, 10:04:57 AM
Social media really ruins the Olympia with all the perfect lighting and doctored photos. Noone lives up to the hype on show day.
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Post by: oldschoolfan on October 12, 2025, 10:19:19 AM
Social media really ruins the Olympia with all the perfect lighting and doctored photos. Noone lives up to the hype on show day.

Yep

Krizzo is a prime example
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Post by: oldschoolfan on October 12, 2025, 10:21:01 AM
Best BB on the planet...


Looks like a midget sack of shit with lumps in his lats and no veins in His biceps and a closet fag to me
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Post by: Rambone on October 12, 2025, 10:26:04 AM
I thought Louie was Italian?

What a weekend, apparently I didn’t know anything about this Irainian former sheet metal worker.

Me: I dreamt about Derek last night.
Dave: Really?
Me: I told him, “Derek, you’re making a big mistake going to Vegas.” He says, “Why do you say that, Mr. Bone?” I said, “Hadi is waiting for you……in the shadows.”

*not a true story. May not have actually happened.*
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Post by: wes on October 12, 2025, 10:27:43 AM
(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=701296.0;attach=1574579;image)

Victor Terra 1988
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/xFQAAOSwoe1mWTq~/s-l1200.jpg)
Victor Terra blows him away in a huge way !!

Talk about regression !   :(
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Post by: US MUSL on October 12, 2025, 10:33:37 AM
Victor Terra blows him away in a huge way !!

Talk about regression !   :(

.....and that appears to be an amateur show.
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Post by: Methyl m1ke on October 12, 2025, 10:47:27 AM
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DKZsDskOJgV/?igsh=MTFwam16aW8wNHViZw==

He looks great there, wtf??? Looks nothing like that onstage. At all.
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Post by: njflex on October 12, 2025, 10:57:54 AM
Victor Terra blows him away in a huge way !!

Talk about regression !   :(
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 12, 2025, 11:00:06 AM

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Post by: Dave D on October 12, 2025, 12:29:03 PM
Me: I dreamt about Derek last night.
Dave: Really?
Me: I told him, “Derek, you’re making a big mistake going to Vegas.” He says, “Why do you say that, Mr. Bone?” I said, “Hadi is waiting for you……in the shadows.”

*not a true story. May not have actually happened.*


You’re psyching me out here. Hey Rambone is this the master plan here?

You’re the king of kings Rambone. They don’t come nicer than you Rambone. I wouldn’t turn my back on you Rambone…..  within 500 yards.
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Post by: Rambone on October 12, 2025, 12:33:27 PM

You’re psyching me out here. Hey Rambone is this the master plan here?

You’re the king of kings Rambone. They don’t come nicer than you Rambone. I wouldn’t turn my back on you Rambone…..  within 500 yards.

“Tense ya muscle, Louie! Ya deaf retard!” - Pumping Iron Director’s Cut
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 12, 2025, 01:31:36 PM
 :)
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Post by: Van_Bilderass on October 12, 2025, 02:22:11 PM
Even if we prefer the oldtimers, if they were compared today I think we would still say couldn’t the guy have dieted a bit more to get rid of those soggy glutes or used just a bit more drugs because the contrast would be so shocking. They used drugs but would look natural or what our desensitized brains would interpret as natural. “He used Parabolan and Anadrol for this? My buddy doesn’t use anything and he’s as big” Terra looks plenty juiced but I mean smaller guys like Makkawy. Today a guys bodyfat is almost nonexistent and we feel he is 6 weeks out or didn’t diet at all, for example that big necked fella. He was outta shape but look at the vids and assess his actual fat levels.
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Post by: Methyl m1ke on October 12, 2025, 02:22:21 PM
:)

Depressing
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Post by: Royalty on October 12, 2025, 03:36:53 PM
You are drunk on lunsfords cock.

If you and lunsford pray hard enough, he'll be Mr. O and you'll be heterosexual.

Hey little guy, looks like Derek won...  and you are still lonely and alone 😂
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Post by: oldschoolfan on October 12, 2025, 04:26:15 PM
I bet Derrick definitely did all kinds of sick depraved shit this past week for the sponsors and creepy schmoe judges


I bet his asshole is so big he could insert a soccer ball in it without flinching
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Post by: NaturalWonder83 on October 12, 2025, 04:34:36 PM
I bet Derrick definitely did all kinds of sick depraved shit this past week for the sponsors and creepy schmoe judges


I bet his asshole is so big he could insert a soccer ball in it without flinching
Absolutely.
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Post by: Coach is Back! on October 12, 2025, 05:01:16 PM
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Post by: oldschoolfan on October 12, 2025, 05:09:16 PM
Absolutely.

Natural how is it a 4-8 dwarf with lumpy lats no veins in his biceps and the iq of a rock is Mr Olympia
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Post by: NaturalWonder83 on October 12, 2025, 05:38:15 PM
Natural how is it a 4-8 dwarf with lumpy lats no veins in his biceps and the iq of a rock is Mr Olympia
You hit the nail on the head. That is the EXACT question I see posted on all the videos of the show. Derek is indeed quite the weirdo. I haven’t watched many post win interviews. But I’m guessing he thanked his Lord Jesus Christ and rambled on and on. I saw a clip of him talking to Palumbo and he was frazzled and buzzing and called all the competitors his colleagues.

Someone on here made an amazing comment of: “Back in olden times, you had to pay a quarter to see the freak show at the circus. Now they’re all on stage.” I never thought of it like that…but that’s so accurate! The majority of them are weird looking, lumpy oil bag dwarfs. And I can’t even imagine all the seedy things that must take place behind the scenes in order for the “athletes” to keep winning. I wonder if that’s why Hadi never wins. He seems like the type that would refuse to take part. Sergiopump had the inside scoop and was silenced.
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Post by: oldschoolfan on October 12, 2025, 06:41:01 PM
You hit the nail on the head. That is the EXACT question I see posted on all the videos of the show. Derek is indeed quite the weirdo. I haven’t watched many post win interviews. But I’m guessing he thanked his Lord Jesus Christ and rambled on and on. I saw a clip of him talking to Palumbo and he was frazzled and buzzing and called all the competitors his colleagues.

Someone on here made an amazing comment of: “Back in olden times, you had to pay a quarter to see the freak show at the circus. Now they’re all on stage.” I never thought of it like that…but that’s so accurate! The majority of them are weird looking, lumpy oil bag dwarfs. And I can’t even imagine all the seedy things that must take place behind the scenes in order for the “athletes” to keep winning. I wonder if that’s why Hadi never wins. He seems like the type that would refuse to take part. Sergiopump had the inside scoop and was silenced.



It truly baffles Lunsford is the worst Mr Olympia of the modern era he looks like shit


At least jacked looks good he’s like two feet taller as well Lunsford looks like a clump of shit 💩 put together
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Post by: illuminati on October 12, 2025, 06:49:41 PM
I'm so Happy Derek won
Purely as so many Snowflakes are melting down on Getbig.

All the cry baby heightists / Oh Andrew should've won / He looks like shit etc etc

I'd so like to see how all these 8ft tall bodybuilding monsters complaining actually look like.
They must be awesome  ::) Not.

Mr Olympia 2025 Derek Lunsford  - Say it - Doesn't it sound Good   ;) 👊🏻
Weep & whine all you like it won't change the Fact He Won.