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damn good here and posing is amazing as well
this is also the year he was pretty close beating Yates
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Dorian straight firsts in 1996 He was NEVER close to beating Dorian. No one was.
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Dorian straight firsts in 1996 He was NEVER close to beating Dorian. No one was.
I specifically remember Paul Dillett saying that he was not impressed with Shawn Ray at the 1996 Olympia. Paul also said that he didn’t know why the judges gave Shawn so much attention at that contest.
1996 was one of Paul’s best showings.
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Dorian straight firsts in 1996 He was NEVER close to beating Dorian. No one was.
the straight first bullshit always gets me, out of all 7 judges not one on them thought Shawn deserved the nod?
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the straight first bullshit always gets me, out of all 7 judges not one on them thought Shawn deserved the nod?
I was at that show.
Sean looked like a peanut next to Yates.
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the straight first bullshit always gets me, out of all 7 judges not one on them thought Shawn deserved the nod?
Both high & low scores are tossed so that's what's left
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I was at that show.
Sean looked like a peanut next to Yates.
still, for every judge to have identical preference to physiques that are close together is impossible
Not one thought, well Dorians arm looks terrible maybe Shawn has a better overall balance so give him the nod
Really, not once?
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Both high & low scores are tossed so that's what's left
one high one low from 7 judges equals 5 left
You think Dorian got a 2nd off a judge?
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still, for every judge to have identical preference to physiques that are close together is impossible
Not one thought, well Dorians arm looks terrible maybe Shawn has a better overall balance so give him the nod
Really, not once?
Chris Cormier said that Shawn had a narrow back and stubby legs.
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still, for every judge to have identical preference to physiques that are close together is impossible
Not one thought, well Dorians arm looks terrible maybe Shawn has a better overall balance so give him the nod
Really, not once?
I'm sure Dorian most likely lost the front double biceps and a couple of other poses but seeing the high & low scores are tossed he could still lose a few poses and still wins with a ' perfect ' score. I remember when Chris Cormier lost the Arnold to Jay Cutler and he was lamenting he could concede losing the " muscularity " round to Jay but couldn't fathom losing the " symmetry " round to Jay with his clearly better symmetry. The thing is Chris didn't know how the actually judge contests. every round was a physique round , meaning every aspect was judged at the same time. Muscularity , Muscular Bulk , Symmetry , Balance , Proportion , Conditioning , etc in every round , in every pose , with all that in mind , No one came close to beating Dorian on paper and off. He simply fulfilled the criteria better than his competition.
One could argue he shouldn't represent what the ideal of what a Mr Olympia should embody and you could make a case but in terms of how judge contests none of his contemporaries were going to beat him.
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one high one low from 7 judges equals 5 left
You think Dorian got a 2nd off a judge?
From Wayne Demilia
The judges simply ranked the competitors on a sheet of paper, awarding the best man one point, the second two and so on. It was a simple method in which the lowest score won. DeMilia had devised a system where the computer randomly selected one judge per round as an alternate, thus eliminating their score. It then removed the three highest and the three lowest scoring judges. From the twelve judges, then, just five papers counted in any one round, and the judges were unaware of which they were, " To fix a contest, definitely beyond a shadow of a doubt, Wayne had told me, somewhat gleefully, ' you gotta buy off nine judges. I figured this out mathematically. You gotta buy off nine judges. In our sport, with all the big mouths and gossips and everything else, you think nine judges could keep their mouths shut? And lets face it, you gotta go to nine judges and one says ' I don't wanna do it, ' you gotta go to number ten...You think that one other guy ain't gonna talk? ' Hey he tried to buy me off, but I didn't take it. He didn't offer me enough money..." how much money is it gonna take.?"
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I'm sure Dorian most likely lost the front double biceps and a couple of other poses but seeing the high & low scores are tossed he could still lose a few poses and still wins with a ' perfect ' score. I remember when Chris Cormier lost the Arnold to Jay Cutler and he was lamenting he could concede losing the " muscularity " round to Jay but couldn't fathom losing the " symmetry " round to Jay with his clearly better symmetry. The thing is Chris didn't know how the actually judge contests. every round was a physique round , meaning every aspect was judged at the same time. Muscularity , Muscular Bulk , Symmetry , Balance , Proportion , Conditioning , etc in every round , in every pose , with all that in mind , No one came close to beating Dorian on paper and off. He simply fulfilled the criteria better than his competition.
One could argue he shouldn't represent what the ideal of what a Mr Olympia should embody and you could make a case but in terms of how judge contests none of his contemporaries were going to beat him.
I agree mostly with what you said. But Lee Haney did beat Yates in 1991. And Lee possibly could’ve beaten him in 1992.
But by 1993, Dorian would’ve definitely defeated Haney.
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Shawn Ray =one of my favorite bodybuilders.........the guy always looked incredible,trained his guts out,was super strong in the gym and very intense and focused........ and displayed his physique looking like a god..........great poser.
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Chris Cormier said that Shawn had a narrow back and stubby legs.
Shawn had narrow clavicles , funny people used to rail against Phil for being narrow but gave Shawn a pass. Shawn short legs/highish calves but all-and-all he had a excellent physique but the sport passed him by a decade. Shawn said he wish he was born a decade earlier when a guy 5'7" 205lbs could win the Olympia. He did great for himself but he was NEVER a threat to Haney , Yates or Ronnie.
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I agree mostly with what you said. But Lee Haney did beat Yates in 1991. And Lee possibly could’ve beaten him in 1992.
But by 1993, Dorian would’ve definitely defeated Haney.
I should've qualified I meant after he won his first Olympia.
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Shawn had narrow clavicles , funny people used to rail against Phil for being narrow but gave Shawn a pass. Shawn short legs/highish calves but all-and-all he had a excellent physique but the sport passed him by a decade. Shawn said he wish he was born a decade earlier when a guy 5'7" 205lbs could win the Olympia. He did great for himself but he was NEVER a threat to Haney , Yates or Ronnie.
He should have focused on more contests than just the Olympia.......I can obviously see his motivation though.
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He should have focused on more contests than just the Olympia.......I can obviously see his motivation though.
Flex Wheeler, Kevin Levrone, and Michael Francois had the Arnold Classic locked up in 1993, 1994, and 1995.
Shawn decided to enter in 1996 and he placed 5th.
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Flex Wheeler, Kevin Levrone, and Michael Francois had the Arnold Classic locked up in 1993, 1994, and 1995.
Shawn decided to enter in 1996 and he placed 5th.
OUCH!!! :(
Yeah contests were tougher back then no doubt.
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Now these guys are just a bunch of slobs
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From Wayne Demilia
The judges simply ranked the competitors on a sheet of paper, awarding the best man one point, the second two and so on. It was a simple method in which the lowest score won. DeMilia had devised a system where the computer randomly selected one judge per round as an alternate, thus eliminating their score. It then removed the three highest and the three lowest scoring judges. From the twelve judges, then, just five papers counted in any one round, and the judges were unaware of which they were, " To fix a contest, definitely beyond a shadow of a doubt, Wayne had told me, somewhat gleefully, ' you gotta buy off nine judges. I figured this out mathematically. You gotta buy off nine judges. In our sport, with all the big mouths and gossips and everything else, you think nine judges could keep their mouths shut? And lets face it, you gotta go to nine judges and one says ' I don't wanna do it, ' you gotta go to number ten...You think that one other guy ain't gonna talk? ' Hey he tried to buy me off, but I didn't take it. He didn't offer me enough money..." how much money is it gonna take.?"
Judges do what they are told or they are off the gravy train
I know a guy who was a head judge for 2bros and he asked me to go judging.
As a new judge you shadow sit the other judges and make your choices, if your choices dont coincide with the real judges then you dont qualify as a judge.
I didnt bother going as I have a preference of physique that doesnt always win shows, especially today.
I heard judges commenting at shows and all they were concerned about was if the guy had ripped glutes, they didnt care if they had torn bodyparts and a shit structure
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I specifically remember Paul Dillett saying that he was not impressed with Shawn Ray at the 1996 Olympia. Paul also said that he didn’t know why the judges gave Shawn so much attention at that contest.
1996 was one of Paul’s best showings.
Paul wasn't good in the back lat spread and back double. This alone puts him out from being competetive in the top spots.
+ he could not pose
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Judges do what they are told or they are off the gravy train
I know a guy who was a head judge for 2bros and he asked me to go judging.
As a new judge you shadow sit the other judges and make your choices, if your choices dont coincide with the real judges then you dont qualify as a judge.
I didnt bother going as I have a preference of physique that doesnt always win shows, especially today.
I heard judges commenting at shows and all they were concerned about was if the guy had ripped glutes, they didnt care if they had torn bodyparts and a shit structure
What gravy train? IFBB judges weren't paid. They were reimbursed for their expenses. When you say judges do as their told the implication is the contests are fixed. Shawn bitched about his placings for years , but only about the contests he lost never the ones he won. Somehow the judges managed to get it right when he won but not when he lost. You can't have it both ways.
And you want a new judge to coincide with the real judges it shows he knows how to apply the criteria. Any potential judge who isn't is either biased or ignorant and is a liability to consistency. And I don't doubt your story about some local shows but I was talking about the Olympia and the judges are picked for the consistency and proven track record.
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damn good here and posing is amazing as well
this is also the year he was pretty close beating Yates
Bald Shawn Ray will never be peak Shawn Ray (nh)
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Shawn was amazing by himself. Kind of got lost in the shuffle when standing next to others.
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Shawn had narrow clavicles , funny people used to rail against Phil for being narrow but gave Shawn a pass. Shawn short legs/highish calves but all-and-all he had a excellent physique but the sport passed him by a decade. Shawn said he wish he was born a decade earlier when a guy 5'7" 205lbs could win the Olympia. He did great for himself but he was NEVER a threat to Haney , Yates or Ronnie.
Looks more like 5'6?
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(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=701853.0;attach=1578116;image)
A lot of big dudes in that line up
Shawn Ray is comfortably the shortest and if you exclude Roland the rest are like 5'10 and taller
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Paul wasn't good in the back lat spread and back double. This alone puts him out from being competetive in the top spots.
+ he could not pose
Please do not “explain” anything to me.
Dillett beat Shawn Ray twice a few months earlier at the 1996 Pro Ironman and the 1996 Arnold Classic.
Paul was a top contender and he was voicing his opinion.
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paul dillett was a beast from the front.
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Dorian straight firsts in 1996 He was NEVER close to beating Dorian. No one was.
He looks like a little obese midget next to Dorian.
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Please do not “explain” anything to me.
Dillett beat Shawn Ray twice a few months earlier at the 1996 Pro Ironman and the 1996 Arnold Classic.
Paul was a top contender and he was voicing his opinion.
Dillets bdb latspread where shit even at his best. That's why he never placed high
Shawn was complete. When you are complete you expose other bb'ers weaknesses and that makes him look better in comparisons. He was the only one who could give Dorian a run for his money from the back.
One thing I can say about 96 O is that Ronnie was brutally overlooked and should have placed higher.
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Dillets bdb latspread where shit even at his best. That's why he never placed high
Shawn was complete. When you are complete you expose other bb'ers weaknesses and that makes him look better in comparisons. He was the only one who could give Dorian a run for his money from the back.
One thing I can say about 96 O is that Ronnie was brutally overlooked and should have placed higher.
Do I need to say it again?
Shawn got smoked by Dillett at the 1996 Pro Ironman and 1996 Arnold Classic.
Paul said that he wasn’t impressed with Shawn at the 1996 Olympia. End of story.
Your “explanations” are not needed.
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Do I need to say it again?
Shawn got smoked by Dillett at the 1996 Pro Ironman and 1996 Arnold Classic.
Paul said that he wasn’t impressed with Shawn at the 1996 Olympia. End of story.
Your “explanations” are not needed.
Pauls opinion doesn't matter. He also had alot of opinions on other peoples posing I recall from his magazine columns yet he couldn't pose for shit himself. And he literally couldn't hold a pose still for one second without wobbling around. Impressive physique though. But from the back he got smoked always.
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Pauls opinion doesn't matter. He also had alot of opinions on other peoples posing I recall from his magazine columns yet he couldn't pose for shit himself. And he literally couldn't hold a pose still for one second without wobbling around. Impressive physique though. But from the back he got smoked always.
Dorian Yates smoked Shawn at the 1996 Olympia.
Yates and Dillett were both in agreement: it wasn’t a close show. Yates won easily.
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A lot of big dudes in that line up
Shawn Ray is comfortably the shortest and if you exclude Roland the rest are like 5'10 and taller
Mike Francois was only 5 ft 8
Flex wheeler was 5 ft 9
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Mike Francois was only 5 ft 8
Flex wheeler was 5 ft 9
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Bald Shawn Ray will never be peak Shawn Ray (nh)
Shawn should have won in 1994 as well:
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Shawn should have won in 1994 as well:
Shawn was BEHIND Kevin after the prejudging at the 1994 Mr Olympia , he was lucky to beat him in 1994 he was never beating Dorian. And as Shawn said directly on this topic
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Mike Francois was only 5 ft 8
Flex wheeler was 5 ft 9
Wheeler was a legit 5’10
Same with Dorian , Ronnie.
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Shawn was BEHIND Kevin after the prejudging at the 1994 Mr Olympia , he was lucky to beat him in 1994 he was never beating Dorian. And as Shawn said directly on this topic
Incredible routine,posing..
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Incredible routine,posing..
X 2.........the guy was the consummate professional.
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Bald Shawn Ray will never be peak Shawn Ray (nh)
Extremely homosexual bias.
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Uncrowned Mr. Olympia
WooooSSHHHHHHHHH
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Uncrowned Mr. Olympia
WooooSSHHHHHHHHH
Shawn has always been one of my favorites.
Somehow his posing and poses look so effortless.
Maybe because, for a top level BB, he isn’t very vascular?
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Uncrowned Mr. Olympia
WooooSSHHHHHHHHH
So was everyone else who never won.
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Shawn had narrow clavicles , funny people used to rail against Phil for being narrow but gave Shawn a pass. Shawn short legs/highish calves but all-and-all he had a excellent physique but the sport passed him by a decade. Shawn said he wish he was born a decade earlier when a guy 5'7" 205lbs could win the Olympia. He did great for himself but he was NEVER a threat to Haney , Yates or Ronnie.
Shawn was narrow but his waist was so tight, unlike Phil, aside from the waist size, Shawn's abdominal shape and symmetry made any lack of width less noticeable.
Idk how much more Phil weighed than Shawn but Phil carried muscle that overflowed off his torso emphasizing his narrow width. In an odd way, Shawn carrying less muscle made a more asthetic, proportional, look that never made him look narrow.
My only critique of Shawn were his thighs. He was almost bottom heavy and his thigh shape just looked like they belonged to a different body than his upper body.
Aside from that 96 was a great Olympia. I have no issues with Dorian winning this one. Dillet was awesome, Nasser was in great shape, Shawn and Dorian all brought it. Its hard to appreciate in pictures, a little easier with video, and Id imagine its obvious in person that Dorian carried more dense, shredded muscle than anyone else that day.
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Shawn was narrow but his waist was so tight, unlike Phil, aside from the waist size, Shawn's abdominal shape and symmetry made any lack of width less noticeable.
Idk how much more Phil weighed than Shawn but Phil carried muscle that overflowed off his torso emphasizing his narrow width. In an odd way, Shawn carrying less muscle made a more asthetic, proportional, look that never made him look narrow.
My only critique of Shawn were his thighs. He was almost bottom heavy and his thigh shape just looked like they belonged to a different body than his upper body.
Aside from that 96 was a great Olympia. I have no issues with Dorian winning this one. Dillet was awesome, Nasser was in great shape, Shawn and Dorian all brought it. Its hard to appreciate in pictures, a little easier with video, and Id imagine its obvious in person that Dorian carried more dense, shredded muscle than anyone else that day.
Same with some of Haney's wins. The pics made it look close, the video not so much.
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Shawn was BEHIND Kevin after the prejudging at the 1994 Mr Olympia , he was lucky to beat him in 1994 he was never beating Dorian. And as Shawn said directly on this topic
It’s almost unbelievable that Dorian didn’t train his upper body for 6 weeks going into the 1994 Olympia
That show was over very quickly for Shawn....
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It’s almost unbelievable that Dorian didn’t train his upper body for 6 weeks going into the 1994 Olympia
That show was over very quickly for Shawn....
This is reality. Shawn was behind Kevin after the prejudging and only beat him for second by a single point! 1994 Olympia was a close contest between second and third!
quote Shawn Ray Flex Jan 1995 " Tonight I feel I got what I deserved "
Flex magazine January 1995 Shawn Ray
Dorian was a bigger version of what he's been. I'm not a fan in the sense that his physique is something I aspire to attain. Dorian is in his own class and in his own little world. For that reason, there's nobody they can compare like-to-like with Dorian. They can only bring forward a different package.
( 1994 Mr Olympia ) Tonight I feel that I got what I deserved. With a beaming smile , Shawn concluded: " This is the first time in three years I haven't ' retired ' the night of the show and got drunk. "
quote Ironman Jan 1995 " Since he ( Ray ) was trailing Levrone by four points going into round 3 ( posing round ) Shawn was going to have to equal his showing of seven years ago ( Nationals win ) to have a chance of passing Levrone "
quote Ironman Jan 1995 " The battle was between Shawn and Kevin for second "
Kevin has it all but was a little soft in prejudging , which hurt him. He wasn't quite as sharp as Shawn , but it was very close between second and third. It came down to the posedown ( Which Shawn won by a single point ).
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Extremely homosexual bias.
C'mon, I clearly put "(nh)"
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I agree mostly with what you said. But Lee Haney did beat Yates in 1991. And Lee possibly could’ve beaten him in 1992.
But by 1993, Dorian would’ve definitely defeated Haney.
You discount the fact Haney retired young and with tons of untapped potential. He could have easily kept going several years. There is no guarantee he could not have improved as Yates was able to for some tine. And 1992 Yates wasn't beating his 1991 form.
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Pauls opinion doesn't matter. He also had alot of opinions on other peoples posing I recall from his magazine columns yet he couldn't pose for shit himself. And he literally couldn't hold a pose still for one second without wobbling around. Impressive physique though. But from the back he got smoked always.
And royalty's opinion is even more worthless.
Dillet looked mind blowing in pictures and standing relaxed. Kind of the opposite effect of Doz who's dominance was best seen in video and in person. When Doz posed he looked like granite. When Paul posed he looked like he was going to have a seizure.
Not a knock on Paul. One of the most impressive physiques of all time regardless of contest placings.
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And royalty's opinion is even more worthless.
Dillet looked mind blowing in pictures and standing relaxed. Kind of the opposite effect of Doz who's dominance was best seen in video and in person. When Doz posed he looked like granite. When Paul posed he looked like he was going to have a seizure.
Not a knock on Paul. One of the most impressive physiques of all time regardless of contest placings.
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Royalty is like a lib with TDS when it comes to Danimal. He's got severe DDS.