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....and to sit sideways on the pec flye machine in order to do a time consuming one arm rear delt movement
Charles is good trainer, but I’m so sick of seeing machines being monopolized by wannabes, sitting the wrong way, doing awkward one arm movements,
(You never saw Ronnie, Dorian, Lee Haney, or Shawn Ray doing this stuff)
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....and to sit sideways on the pec flye machine in order to do a time consuming one arm rear delt movement
Charles is good trainer, but I’m so sick of seeing machines being monopolized by wannabes, sitting the wrong way, doing awkward one arm movements,
(You never saw Ronnie, Dorian, Lee Haney, or Shawn Ray doing this stuff)
I've said it before on here how I think his "expertise" is a total scam or at least close. Even if his new angles did hit the muscles better genetics mostly determines how you will look. But I guess you have to have some gimmick to distinguish yourself from the rest. I've noticed blacks in particular like to do weird self-invented exercises. They are also very fond of cables for some reason.
That Mike Van Wyck I think is also ridiculous. I could never follow what he was trying to say. Very aggressive and arrogant style too. No advanced bb is going to change how he looks by being coached by him on exercises. But he is absolutely massive, so...
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I've said it before on here how I think his "expertise" is a total scam or at least close. Even if his new angles did hit the muscles better genetics mostly determines how you will look. But I guess you have to have some gimmick to distinguish yourself from the rest. I've noticed blacks in particular like to do weird self-invented exercises. They are also very fond of cables for some reason.
Charles Glass had Gunter Schlierkamp doing that stuff too.
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Charles Glass had Gunter Schlierkamp doing that stuff too.
I remember Tom Prince saying Charles was the best, "just show up at Gold's Venice and give him $100, it's worth every penny."
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I remember Tom Prince saying Charles was the best, "just show up at Gold's Venice and give him $100, it's worth every penny."
Fools & their money are easily parted.
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I remember Tom Prince saying Charles was the best, "just show up at Gold's Venice and give him $100, it's worth every penny."
😂 Maybe in pre-contest mode. Charles would load up olympic plates on the the machines for you, or re-rack all of your dumbbells for you.
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Fools & their money are easily parted.
For $100 he will for sure tell you how to build a peak on your biceps or how to isolate the lower lats. Come to Getbig instead and you'll get expert advice for free. Wasn't there some guy on here who told Jay Cutler how to build upper pecs a few decades ago? Jay never returned :D
😂 Maybe in pre-contest mode. Charles would load up olympic plates on the the machines for you, or re-rack all of your dumbbells for you.
In the Gulf states like at Oxygen gym they have those slave laborers load up the machines for the pros. I might be mistaken but I seem to remember Charles had some assistant doing the loading, at least at some time. I'd charge at least double if I had to load and unload the leg press :D
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For $100 he will for sure tell you how to build a peak on your biceps or how to isolate the lower lats. Come to Getbig instead and you'll get expert advice for free. Wasn't there some guy on here who told Jay Cutler how to build upper pecs a few decades ago? Jay never returned :D
Let me guess. Incline presses 😂
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I've said it before on here how I think his "expertise" is a total scam or at least close. Even if his new angles did hit the muscles better genetics mostly determines how you will look. But I guess you have to have some gimmick to distinguish yourself from the rest. I've noticed blacks in particular like to do weird self-invented exercises. They are also very fond of cables for some reason.
That Mike Van Wyck I think is also ridiculous. I could never follow what he was trying to say. Very aggressive and arrogant style too. No advanced bb is going to change how he looks by being coached by him on exercises. But he is absolutely massive, so...
(person sits on leg extension)
Mike..."Ok chin down head up, back straight, lean forward, push with the glutes, lean back now , look over your shoulder , tip your head back , straighten your knees , curl your quads"
All the while touching and fucking mauling about with his client
hes a fucking stupid bastard
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(person sits on leg extension)
Mike..."Ok chin down head up, back straight, lean forward, push with the glutes, lean back now , look over your shoulder , tip your head back , straighten your knees , curl your quads"
All the while touching and fucking mauling about with his client
hes a fucking stupid bastard
Haha exactly. Everyone in his videos says wow what a difference, you really know your shit. When they actually had no idea what he was talking about. It's like if you don't understand it must be profound.
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There was a workout session where Dennis James was being trained by a guy who worked for Charles Glass. That trainer said that he didn’t have to do anything special for Dennis because Dennis was living in Thailand at the time. The trainer just said that he’d be selecting chest machines (in Los Angeles) that Dennis didn’t have access to in Thailand.
But one exercise looked very effective. Partial incline presses on the smith machine with the stoppers set several inches above the chest. Apparently Dennis had a minor pec strain earlier in the contest prep, and he didn’t want to risk stretching the pec excessively. Dennis still went to 4 plates per side. The reps were very clean. But it was definitely a partial press.
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Fools & their money are easily parted.
In tom princess’s case, his kidney and life parted with him as well
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Charles is a good trainer, and a knowledgable guy who will evaluate your physique on its potential, he best identifies weak points and works almost exclusively trying to engage body parts from angles where they can neutralise other supporting muscles. Many people struggle to engage their backs, etc, he can sometimes assist with adjustments to minimise delt or arms compensating movement.
He will also honestly tell you what you need to do on whats required and whether it's worth you pursuing it. Appreciate its not rocket science, but he cops a bit of negative press. He's a very humble guy, certainly worth seeking out if you have pro ambitions . Appreciate there are many others who are probably even more knowledgable these days. But he pioneered it back in the 90s.
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Remember a young guy excitedly telling me about his new training plan in the Gym, it was from some Internet Guru..
Never heard of the k-unt ::)
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I've said it before on here how I think his "expertise" is a total scam or at least close. Even if his new angles did hit the muscles better genetics mostly determines how you will look. But I guess you have to have some gimmick to distinguish yourself from the rest. I've noticed blacks in particular like to do weird self-invented exercises. They are also very fond of cables for some reason.
That Mike Van Wyck I think is also ridiculous. I could never follow what he was trying to say. Very aggressive and arrogant style too. No advanced bb is going to change how he looks by being coached by him on exercises. But he is absolutely massive, so...
Because it is easier.
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Because it is easier.
Now..now you'll upset Joeswift :D
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Nowadays it seems like people have sucked all the fun out of lifting. Everything has to be optimal and stable. If it's not stable, it's regarded as a waste of time. They even say barbell rows are a bad exercise because they're unstable. ::)
The worst offender is Jeff "The Dwarf" Nippard and his sideways reverse pec deck, cable hip hinge on seated cable row, and single arm lat pull laying face down on the floor.
I also can't stand cable lateral raises using a wrist cuff or using straps for dumbbell laterals!
I think C. Glass is a great trainer and his clients all train with good form in the videos I've seen. The variations are interesting, creative, and may definitely help different issues for people. The trouble, I feel, are the people who only focus on zany different variations, instead of establishing a foundation with the basics. Or preferring a variation if it makes the exercise easier. It's also ridiculous if a gym is small and busy, and someone is taking up a ton of space doing an elaborate 10 banded upside down hobo umbrella press.
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I remember Tom Prince saying Charles was the best, "just show up at Gold's Venice and give him $100, it's worth every penny."
For training advice or gear?
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Wasn't there some guy on here who told Jay Cutler how to build upper pecs a few decades ago? Jay never returned :D
Damn. I hope someone can find that thread. LOL
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Damn. I hope someone can find that thread. LOL
Lmao! Could totally picture this happening
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Damn. I hope someone can find that thread. LOL
Thread's gone. It was started by a guy named Alexxx or something close, who was tall and Eastern Euro looking. It was a fun thread, and Jay heard about it and took it in stride, but it vanished. This was 2006-2008 or so.
Edit, Alexxx, Trainer of Champions -
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=68885.0;attach=76080;image).
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Thread's gone. It was started by a guy named Alexxx or something close, who was tall and Eastern Euro looking. It was a fun thread, and Jay heard about it and took it in stride, but it vanished. This was 2006-2008 or so.
Edit, Alexxx, Trainer of Champions -
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=68885.0;attach=76080;image).
I remember enjoying Alexxx’s postings
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Thread's gone. It was started by a guy named Alexxx or something close, who was tall and Eastern Euro looking. It was a fun thread, and Jay heard about it and took it in stride, but it vanished. This was 2006-2008 or so.
Edit, Alexxx, Trainer of Champions -
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=68885.0;attach=76080;image).
Upper pecs do not come thicker than that. That’s for damn sure!
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I saw a 140 pound 70ish year old man sitting sideways to perform his 25 pound hammer strength lat pull down today.
Because of this thread I was instantly annoyed.
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I saw a 140 pound 70ish year old man sitting sideways to perform his 25 pound hammer strength lat pull down today.
Sounds intense
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It goes without saying that if you stand in front of a Hammer chest press machine, you’re in perfect position to pull the handles towards you ...and carve in some extra rhomboid detail.
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Sounds intense
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I typically don’t care how people use machines, but because of this thread it really bothered me. He did no pull downs; just the sideways version. And he sat on the machine for 10 minutes when I wanted to use it.
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Charles is a good trainer, and a knowledgable guy who will evaluate your physique on its potential, he best identifies weak points and works almost exclusively trying to engage body parts from angles where they can neutralise other supporting muscles. Many people struggle to engage their backs, etc, he can sometimes assist with adjustments to minimise delt or arms compensating movement.
He will also honestly tell you what you need to do on whats required and whether it's worth you pursuing it. Appreciate its not rocket science, but he cops a bit of negative press. He's a very humble guy, certainly worth seeking out if you have pro ambitions . Appreciate there are many others who are probably even more knowledgable these days. But he pioneered it back in the 90s.
What exactly is guys like prime jay, Doran, Phil, Ronnie, Shawn, Kevin, going to benefit from training with Charles?
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I typically don’t care how people use machines, but because of this thread it really bothered me. He did no pull downs; just the sideways version. And he sat on the machine for 10 minutes when I wanted to use it.
Yup, they are taking over. Sitting sideways, and monopolizing equipment.
I had the same experience recently with a moron who was sitting sideways on the pec flye machine. He was doing a unilateral rear delt move. When he wanted to hit the opposing rear delt, he had to get up and face the opposite direction. I don’t believe that he was even holding onto the handle. He was holding onto the “arm” of the pec fly machine.
This individual had zero deltoid development.
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Thread's gone. It was started by a guy named Alexxx or something close, who was tall and Eastern Euro looking. It was a fun thread, and Jay heard about it and took it in stride, but it vanished. This was 2006-2008 or so.
Edit, Alexxx, Trainer of Champions -
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=68885.0;attach=76080;image).
I thought BB would remember LOL. tried looking and only saw some reference to Alexxx giving Jay advice.
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Brutal if true
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Upper pecs do not come thicker than that. That’s for damn sure!
For a few days now I have been convinced that someone else is posting from your account. Or either the psychiatrist has increased your medications.
The posts seem to be a bit more witty and closer to "normal" like we saw from you years ago before Danimal and his hands broke your mind. Good job. And welcome back. (I am being serious here. No troll.)
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For training advice or gear?
He was probably peddling some gear like everyone else. I seem to remember he was busted for roids by cops and they stole some watches?
Charles is a good trainer, and a knowledgable guy who will evaluate your physique on its potential, he best identifies weak points and works almost exclusively trying to engage body parts from angles where they can neutralise other supporting muscles. Many people struggle to engage their backs, etc, he can sometimes assist with adjustments to minimise delt or arms compensating movement.
He will also honestly tell you what you need to do on whats required and whether it's worth you pursuing it. Appreciate its not rocket science, but he cops a bit of negative press. He's a very humble guy, certainly worth seeking out if you have pro ambitions . Appreciate there are many others who are probably even more knowledgable these days. But he pioneered it back in the 90s.
I feel that even if someone gets help to, e.g., engage their lats better it's unlikely the back is going to improve appreciably because of that. At least I've never seen anyone change with better execution. Not saying it's not worth it to at least try and everyone who is really into it will try to hone the technique over time. Some body parts are perhaps better 'felt' due to better innervation or whatever but that would also be because of genetics. And if someone has genetically good calves they never have to think about "engaging them properly," they are just there :D
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I feel that even if someone gets help to, e.g., engage their lats better it's unlikely the back is going to improve appreciably because of that. At least I've never seen anyone change with better execution. Not saying it's not worth it to at least try and everyone who is really into it will try to hone the technique over time. Some body parts are perhaps better 'felt' due to better innervation or whatever but that would also be because of genetics. And if someone has genetically good calves they never have to think about "engaging them properly," they are just there :D
I once saw a female competitor get onto the hack squat machine sideways, and she did a unilateral squat. I don’t even know how she disengaged the safety mechanism. I walked by, and I saw her doing her reps, and I just kept on walking.
Im sure she felt that it was a new stimulus. But i would not want to be there if her knee buckled mid-rep.
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He was probably peddling some gear like everyone else. I seem to remember he was busted for roids by cops and they stole some watches?
I feel that even if someone gets help to, e.g., engage their lats better it's unlikely the back is going to improve appreciably because of that. At least I've never seen anyone change with better execution. Not saying it's not worth it to at least try and everyone who is really into it will try to hone the technique over time. Some body parts are perhaps better 'felt' due to better innervation or whatever but that would also be because of genetics. And if someone has genetically good calves they never have to think about "engaging them properly," they are just there :D
Dorian actually poked fun at Glass for how he trained some guys, like Paul Dillet.
He noted that Charles, "supervising" Paul, would basically stand there and repeat, "Come on, Paul! 'Contrack! Contrack'!" during pulldowns, paying NO attention to how Paul just pulled with his arms.
Maybe better form would have done little for Paul's back, but if you look at the "wizard's" record, who did he help that much once they turned pro? Flex peaked in 1993. Arguably so did Paul. Both got bigger, but compare their looks in '93 to '99ish. Way less detail, plus the oil in Flex. Cormier got a lot bigger but I don't recall him doing any stand on your head sideways pulldowns in a Hammer machine. No: he just kept chasing progressive overload and upped the dose, like Ronnie and Dorian did.
Maybe someone might credit Glass with Gunter's jump in 2002, but that's way more a function of Gunter working with a drug guy like Chad.
There are no magic movements. Some are a bit better than others, but realistically, a Bayesian curl won't do measurably more what a barbell curl will do. While I like Lee Priest, I kinda hate to invoke his maxim to "just find out what works for you, eat a lot and train hard" (especially since that shaves off the bit about drugs). That's ironic because it IS oversimplified and lazy advice. (Train "hard"? What does that entail? Tom Platz "ugh, ugh, kill me!" shite? Eat a lot? Useless vagueisms.) But Lee is closer to the truth than most of these YouTube twits. A couple pair "science" with empirically proven methods aren't so bad, but to stumble off my high horse here, all else I will say is:
*Bwanks is still a royal asshole.
*Where are The Scott and Fortress?
*Eh, I'm old. Forgot the rest ;)
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Maybe someone might credit Glass with Gunter's jump in 2002, but that's way more a function of Gunter working with a drug guy like Chad.
There are no magic movements. Some are a bit better than others, but realistically, a Bayesian curl won't do measurably more what a barbell curl will do. While I like Lee Priest, I kinda hate to invoke his maxim to "just find out what works for you, eat a lot and train hard" (especially since that shaves off the bit about drugs). That's ironic because it IS oversimplified and lazy advice. (Train "hard"? What does that entail? Tom Platz "ugh, ugh, kill me!" shite? Eat a lot? Useless vagueisms.) But Lee is closer to the truth than most of these YouTube twits. A couple pair "science" with empirically proven methods aren't so bad, but to stumble off my high horse here, all else I will say is:
I agree with your whole post pretty much.
Gunther looked amazing for a while and it for sure had little to do with training wizardry. He beat Ronnie and that's one HELL of a thing to do when Ronnie was already Mr O! But he just massively increased the drugs and GH in particular, that much is obvious. He retired soon after. Don't know if the drugs burned him out or if he was already too old to keep it up. I seem to remember him tearing his quads on the leg extension! Pretty uncommon on that movement, something that might happen to me though. In fact I did manage to cause a tear on my quad a while back, wasn't catastrophic though :D
I think Lee is pretty simple minded in some ways but he's also correct to a point, though he oversimplifies as you say. It's is all pretty simple, though I hate that common "find what works for you" refrain as that seems to imply anything can work. No, the same things work for everyone, the smaller less important details can differ between individuals, like you can substitute free squats with machine squat type movements, or you could do 10-12 reps instead of 6-8 LOL. I'm pretty sure Lee left a lot on the table as far as drugs as he seemed to be very hard headed and wouldn't do the stacks his "gurus" "prescribed." He bragged about lying to Hany about doing Hany's numerous drugs stack and only taking 2 of the drugs. The stack may or may not have been "good" but you're not optimizing anything if you think Winstrol is a substitute for GH as he said in some interview. Lee's completely clueless re: drugs, for example he's said he didn't feel good taking testosterone as his natural testosterone was already so high. A completely retarded comment that makes zero sense and to me it should be embarrassing when a 16 year old youtube watcher knows more about your tools of the trade :D
There really are no secrets or magic prescriptions as far as lifting, drugs and diet but it seems to be very hard to do the simple things correctly, consistently. I mean it's hard for all of us, we know what we should do but we fail a lot of times :D
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I agree with your whole post pretty much.
Gunther looked amazing for a while and it for sure had little to do with training wizardry. He beat Ronnie and that's one HELL of a thing to do when Ronnie was already Mr O! But he just massively increased the drugs and GH in particular, that much is obvious. He retired soon after. Don't know if the drugs burned him out or if he was already too old to keep it up. I seem to remember him tearing his quads on the leg extension! Pretty uncommon on that movement, something that might happen to me though. In fact I did manage to cause a tear on my quad a while back, wasn't catastrophic though :D
I think Lee is pretty simple minded in some ways but he's also correct to a point, though he oversimplifies as you say. It's is all pretty simple, though I hate that common "find what works for you" refrain as that seems to imply anything can work. No, the same things work for everyone, the smaller less important details can differ between individuals, like you can substitute free squats with machine squat type movements, or you could do 10-12 reps instead of 6-8 LOL. I'm pretty sure Lee left a lot on the table as far as drugs as he seemed to be very hard headed and wouldn't do the stacks his "gurus" "prescribed." He bragged about lying to Hany about doing Hany's numerous drugs stack and only taking 2 of the drugs. The stack may or may not have been "good" but you're not optimizing anything if you think Winstrol is a substitute for GH as he said in some interview. Lee's completely clueless re: drugs, for example he's said he didn't feel good taking testosterone as his natural testosterone was already so high. A completely retarded comment that makes zero sense and to me it should be embarrassing when a 16 year old youtube watcher knows more about your tools of the trade :D
There really are no secrets or magic prescriptions as far as lifting, drugs and diet but it seems to be very hard to do the simple things correctly, consistently. I mean it's hard for all of us, we know what we should do but we fail a lot of times :D
Mate...
It´s all just Homo Buggery,thongs,Drugs & a pull/push workout of peace :D
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Mate...
It´s all just Homo Buggery,thongs,Drugs & a pull/push workout of peace :D
I know, though I wish the buggery wasn't part of it :D
As I've pointed out, even the supposed conservatives on getbig are fine with man-on-man ass fucking. Love they call it ::) I'm not down with that liberalized, fake conservative shit though :D
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I know, though I wish the buggery wasn't part of it :D
As I've pointed out, even the supposed conservatives on getbig are fine with man-on-man ass fucking. Love they call it ::) I'm not down with that liberalized, fake conservative shit though :D
I know..they just accept "doubt" Arnold was a Bi-Sexual Bum Bandit..it´s sort of OK ´cause it´s Arnold :)
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I think his training methods are highly overrated
Started watching his channels/methods and it was disappointing and absolutely unnecessary
you take a bodybuilder under the right drug protocol, and a basic simple training routine will do the same if not more.
WoooSSHHHHHHHHH
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everyone has been guilty of over thinking it, i did masses of AB work back in the day & i did get results but nowadays i just alternate some kind of leg raise with a basic crunch/incline sit up
solid midsection :D
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I know..they just accept "doubt" Arnold was a Bi-Sexual Bum Bandit..it´s sort of OK ´cause it´s Arnold :)
"Fag business" :D
"Men shouldn't feel like fags just because they want to have nice-looking bodies... Gay people are fighting the same kind of stereotyping that bodybuilders are: People have certain misconceptions about them just as they do about us. Well, I have absolutely no hang-ups about the fag business..."
- from Arnold's Oui interview
I think his training methods are highly overrated
Started watching his channels/methods and it was disappointing and absolutely unnecessary
you take a bodybuilder under the right drug protocol, and a basic simple training routine will do the same if not more.
I have no problem with honing technique and having little tricks and so on, just know the limits of what it's likely to do. I have a an absolute shit ton of little tricks, special movements and improvements and anyone who loves lifting and has done it a long time likely does as well. Though some are pretty unimaginative :D
The previously mentioned Mike Van Vyck has some retarded and contradictory cues when he coaches lifters and has this insufferable disdainful air about him :D
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"Fag business" :D
"Men shouldn't feel like fags just because they want to have nice-looking bodies... Gay people are fighting the same kind of stereotyping that bodybuilders are: People have certain misconceptions about them just as they do about us. Well, I have absolutely no hang-ups about the fag business..."
- from Arnold's Oui interview
I have no problem with honing technique and having little tricks and so on, just know the limits of what it's likely to do. I have a an absolute shit ton of little tricks, special movements and improvements and anyone who loves lifting and has done it a long time likely does as well. Though some are pretty unimaginative :D
The previously mentioned Mike Van Vyck has some retarded and contradictory cues when he coaches lifters and has this insufferable disdainful air about him :D
Bob Chick used that term on here one time. And Mike O’Hearn / Billy Gunz used that term in a video one time as well. Perhaps it’s a common term at Gold’s Venice between Chick, O’Hearn, and Arnie?
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Fuck sake. That's a COCK!
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Fuck sake. That's a COCK!
LOL ;D
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Fuck sake. That's a COCK!
;D
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He and Ropeman seemed to realize that there was no future in competing for them without having better genetics and instead went the way of personal trainer/guru. In Ropeman's case, he became a gym owner too.
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He and Ropeman seemed to realize that there was no future in competing for them without having better genetics and instead went the way of personal trainer/guru. In Ropeman's case, he became a gym owner too.
That's some insane genetics but I know what you mean, could always be better. Even if a bb is Mr O they need to branch off into gym and other business ventures, because obviously contest winnings aren't enough for anyone.