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Hey there, all you Americans, your guy Justin Gatlin just broke the 100m world record I have been told (9.76s). Congrats :) with all the negative press so many of your top athletes have been getting, hopefully this is a good start to something better maybe.
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Hey there, all you Americans, your guy Justin Gatlin just broke the 100m world record I have been told (9.76s). Congrats :) with all the negative press so many of your top athletes have been getting, hopefully this is a good start to something better maybe.
Where did this happen? Please give me the details! :o
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Well if you google his name, he ran his heat today in 9.85s, and apparently the final was jut run and he ran 9.76s. In Doha or something.
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2006-05-12T171824Z_01_L12235809_RTRUKOC_0_US-ATHLETICS-QATAR-RECORD.xml&archived=False
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Well if you google his name, he ran his heat today in 9.85s, and apparently the final was jut run and he ran 9.76s. In Doha or something.
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2006-05-12T171824Z_01_L12235809_RTRUKOC_0_US-ATHLETICS-QATAR-RECORD.xml&archived=False
Awesome! USA! USA! USA!........
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europe!europe!europe!
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Well that is great for the US. Until they do a drug test and they find roids. Then it will be another black eye for us.
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our canadian athletes kick your ass 8)
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our canadian athletes kick your ass 8)
It was amazing the year Donovan Bailey won! It was estimated that he reached the highest peak speed of any Olympic athlete ever! :o
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Well that is great for the US. Until they do a drug test and they find roids. Then it will be another black eye for us.
Well I was ten when Ben Johnson was caught up here and it was devastating to me then. I hope nothing bad comes of this, athletes are role models and I hope that this doesn't go the same way Ben's and Montgomery's stories have gone.
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our canadian athletes kick your ass 8)
yeah in curling ::)
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Well I was ten when Ben Johnson was caught up here and it was devastating to me then. I hope nothing bad comes of this, athletes are role models and I hope that this doesn't go the same way Ben's and Montgomery's stories have gone.
Imagine the times that Johnson would have put up if he had not been caught. He was so far ahead of his time! :o
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Imagine the times that Johnson would have put up if he had not been caught. He was so far ahead of his time! :o
Actually a lot has been postulated regarding that. I am not sure what he was ultimately capable of, and we will never know, however, I do agree with you that he was very far ahead of his time.
An interesting thing about Big Ben as he was called, was his start. Well it worked like crazy for him, but was not orthodox in so far as technique was concerned. Apparently it involved almost jumping with both feet off the blocks or something like that.
Anyways, huge numbers of sprinters the world over were apparently lost trying to emulate Ben's start style. That all ended after Seoul though. A good book about all that is Speed Trap by Charlie Francis, Ben's old coach.
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Actually a lot has been postulated regarding that. I am not sure what he was ultimately capable of, and we will never know, however, I do agree with you that he was very far ahead of his time.
An interesting thing about Big Ben as he was called, was his start. Well it worked like crazy for him, but was not orthodox in so far as technique was concerned. Apparently it involved almost jumping with both feet off the blocks or something like that.
Anyways, huge numbers of sprinters the world over were apparently lost trying to emulate Ben's start style. That all ended after Seoul though. A good book about all that is Speed Trap by Charlie Francis, Ben's old coach.
Isn't Francis the guy involved in the Balco scandal? Considering that Ben slowed down deliberately at the end of his 9.79 run, I think he was capable of 9.74 or better :o
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Gatlin will be found to be clean. Man is amazing. I wish track and field got more attention.
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Gatlin will be found to be clean. Man is amazing. I wish track and field got more attention.
I agree that it is amazing. I don't think most people realize how fast they are running and what it would look like to see in person.
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Didn't he attend college at the University of Tennessee? Seems like I remember that name, I'm about 1/2 hr from the campus.
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Isn't Francis the guy involved in the Balco scandal? Considering that Ben slowed down deliberately at the end of his 9.79 run, I think he was capable of 9.74 or better :o
I don't know if Fancis was involved in the Balco thing, but, he was Ben's coach at the time of the Seoul thing. He got blamed for pretty much everything by Ben. Nobody but Ben and Charlie will ever really know what happened, but, in my opinion, that book is a good read for anyone interested in athletics and their history.
As for 9.74, well anything is possible. Only God knows. Canada "eats its own" in so far as athletes are concerned. We really (except for the last winter olympics) don't support our athletes at all, and Ben was a tremendous example of these kinds of things. Canada crucified him and well, the rest is history.
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I don't know if Fancis was involved in the Balco thing, but, he was Ben's coach at the time of the Seoul thing. He got blamed for pretty much everything by Ben. Nobody but Ben and Charlie will ever really know what happened, but, in my opinion, that book is a good read for anyone interested in athletics and their history.
As for 9.74, well anything is possible. Only God knows. Canada "eats its own" in so far as athletes are concerned. We really (except for the last winter olympics) don't support our athletes at all, and Ben was a tremendous example of these kinds of things. Canada crucified him and well, the rest is history.
Why does Canada do that? ???
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Why does Canada do that? ???
I don't know to be honest. Actually it has gotten so bad up here that in most olympic events, one has to break the existing Canadian record up here to be allowed to represent one's country. Athletics Canada reasons that they want all their representing athletes to be capable of top 8 finishes, but, in their short sightedness, don't realize that they are hurting a LOT of people by doing this. Many qualified people don't get to compete internationally and it is usually due to administrative bullsh*t.
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I don't know to be honest. Actually it has gotten so bad up here that in most olympic events, one has to break the existing Canadian record up here to be allowed to represent one's country. Athletics Canada reasons that they want all their representing athletes to be capable of top 8 finishes, but, in their short sightedness, don't realize that they are hurting a LOT of people by doing this. Many qualified people don't get to compete internationally and it is usually due to administrative bullsh*t.
I didn't think that international competition was all about winning for the countries with more moderate poulation numbers. What was the national response to the success at this past Winter Olympics?
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I didn't think that international competition was all about winning for the countries with more moderate poulation numbers. What was the national response to the success at this past Winter Olympics?
Well nationally everyone was thrilled and a lot of people were saying it was about time we did so well. I am not sure why people up here felt so many medals were necessary to categorize the games a success for Canadians, but, they did. You know then best part about the olympics for me this last winter was watching an old training partner (I used to run ALOT) hang with the best in the cross country ski race during a relay. That was absolutely amazing. He didn't win a medal, but, watching a friend do that was surreal.
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Well nationally everyone was thrilled and a lot of people were saying it was about time we did so well. I am not sure why people up here felt so many medals were necessary to categorize the games a success for Canadians, but, they did. You know then best part about the olympics for me this last winter was watching an old training partner (I used to run ALOT) hang with the best in the cross country ski race during a relay. That was absolutely amazing. He didn't win a medal, but, watching a friend do that was surreal.
Good to see that people were so excited. This might sound silly, but do Canadians know that their country is not that big population-wise? ;D I think it should be partly about effort instead of 100% success. Congratulations to your friend!
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Good to see that people were so excited. This might sound silly, but do Canadians know that their country is not that big population-wise? ;D I think it should be partly about effort instead of 100% success. Congratulations to your friend!
Thanks :)
Some of us do know that we are small population-wise and understand what that means regarding international competition, but, I think many more do not.
The average I.Q. in Canada is 100 and we also have free healthcare (lotsa brain numbing drugs) so asking the majority of people up here to think outside the box is too forward thinking. They are either too cold to bother to think, too stupid, too drugged up or all of the above ;D
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Thanks :)
Some of us do know that we are small population-wise and understand what that means regarding international competition, but, I think many more do not.
The average I.Q. in Canada is 100 and we also have free healthcare (lotsa brain numbing drugs) so asking the majority of people up here to think outside the box is too forward thinking. They are either too cold to bother to think, too stupid, too drugged up or all of the above ;D
At least you aren't fat like we Americans are ;D And I know our I.Q. is not any higher ;D
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Too bad track and field is not bigger in the U.S
I love watching the sprints. Anything over 800 meters though puts me to sleep
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what is the mph that the top guys achieve? I think that would make more sense to the average man to really conceptualize how fast the guys move.
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europe!europe!europe!
stfu fucking goat fucker, you dont belong to europe nor the USA.
you belong to desert, sand and camels.
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well they are running over 10m/s.
lets say fastest was 10m/s even tho sum stages wud be faster.
in a min they wud do 600m
in an hr 36000m
so roughly 22.5mph tho its prob at peak speed 25ish i think i saw b4 on uk athletics.
showed wat spped they reached. 100 is long. i usd to sprint and if u lok down the track u appreciate how fast these athltes r really running.
gatlin was caught and banned before. he may be caught again asafa powell is more impressive. at the commonwealth games he didnt even try at all and he was insanely fast slowed down so much at end of each race looked too easy. although the americans werent there other top nations were
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what is the mph that the top guys achieve? I think that would make more sense to the average man to really conceptualize how fast the guys move.
You want meters per second or km/h? I don't know if I can find mph.
Meters per second, it is said the maximum reached was by Donovan Bailey at around 12.1m/s, that translates into about 27km/h.
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Imagine the times that Johnson would have put up if he had not been caught. He was so far ahead of his time! :o
a stupid comment indeed. how about your boys in '68?...and anyone else ''using''. i suppose Griffith Joyner and Kratchilova (E.Ger) were ahead of their time also?...gimme a break.
take some anapolan right up to a 100m olympic final and see how it helps ya....
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best speeds posted by BJ was 0.83 for 10m. I believe Bailey went under 0.83, but not as low as 0.82. Lewis regularly posted 0.83 also.
Enjoy the WR while it lasts. Asafa Powell will break it again.
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You want meters per second or km/h? I don't know if I can find mph.
Meters per second, it is said the maximum reached was by Donovan Bailey at around 12.1m/s, that translates into about 27km/h.
nope ..multiply m/s by 3.6 to get km/h.
then divide by 1.6 to get mph.
i.e. 44km/hr, or 27mph.
ps i just checked the story out.....it was aided by a maximum possible wind of 2m/s. This is the legal limit allowable. So he had the best wind conditions he could want.
Generally 1 m/s wind at your back is between 0.05 and 0.08 seconds assistance depending on the athlete. A head wind is actually relatively worse.
as an example, if Justin had run a non WR at 9.8 with 1 m/s, then it could be argued that it was a superior performance to the WR 9.76 with 2m/s.
an example of how good the conditions were was that second place finisher recorded 9.84s...a PB and natinal record...and this guy is an also ran in Championships..
so please, lets keep it in perspective.
if it was 9.71 then that would be different.
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a stupid comment indeed. how about your boys in '68?...and anyone else ''using''. i suppose Griffith Joyner and Kratchilova (E.Ger) were ahead of their time also?...gimme a break.
take some anapolan right up to a 100m olympic final and see how it helps ya....
Do you really think Ben Johnson was the only one using? ::) Plenty have used and they were not as fast as him.
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nope ..multiply m/s by 3.6 to get km/h.
then divide by 1.6 to get mph.
i.e. 44km/hr, or 27mph.
ps i just checked the story out.....it was aided by a maximum possible wind of 2m/s. This is the legal limit allowable. So he had the best wind conditions he could want.
Generally 1 m/s wind at your back is between 0.05 and 0.08 seconds assistance depending on the athlete. A head wind is actually relatively worse.
as an example, if Justin had run a non WR at 9.8 with 1 m/s, then it could be argued that it was a superior performance to the WR 9.76 with 2m/s.
an example of how good the conditions were was that second place finisher recorded 9.84s...a PB and natinal record...and this guy is an also ran in Championships..
so please, lets keep it in perspective.
if it was 9.71 then that would be different.
I must be tired, I don't usually make mistakes like that lol thank you for the correction.
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nope ..multiply m/s by 3.6 to get km/h.
then divide by 1.6 to get mph.
i.e. 44km/hr, or 27mph.
ps i just checked the story out.....it was aided by a maximum possible wind of 2m/s. This is the legal limit allowable. So he had the best wind conditions he could want.
Generally 1 m/s wind at your back is between 0.05 and 0.08 seconds assistance depending on the athlete. A head wind is actually relatively worse.
as an example, if Justin had run a non WR at 9.8 with 1 m/s, then it could be argued that it was a superior performance to the WR 9.76 with 2m/s.
an example of how good the conditions were was that second place finisher recorded 9.84s...a PB and natinal record...and this guy is an also ran in Championships..
so please, lets keep it in perspective.
if it was 9.71 then that would be different.
Wow, you must be a track expert ::)
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you might like this...
hope the formatting works
top 20 100m all time not adjustment for wind top 20 100m all time adjusted for wind
adjusted time
1 9.76 Justin Gatlin 1 9.79 Maurice Greene 9.80
2 9.77 Asafa Powell 2 9.82 Maurice Greene 9.81
3 9.79 Maurice Greene 3 9.8 Maurice Greene 9.81
4 9.8 Maurice Greene 4 9.86 Frank Fredericks 9.84
5 9.82 Maurice Greene 5 9.86 Ato Boldon 9.84
6 9.84 Donovan Bailey 6 9.86 Maurice Greene 9.85
7 9.84 Bruny Surin 7 9.87 Maurice Greene 9.85
8 9.84 Asafa Powell 8 9.84 Bruny Surin 9.85
9 9.85 Leroy Burrell 9 9.87 Obadele Thompson 9.86
10 9.85 Maurice Greene 10 9.76 Justin Gatlin 9.86
11 9.85 Justin Gatlin 11 9.77 Asafa Powell 9.87
12 9.85 Asafa Powell 12 9.86 Ato Boldon 9.87
13 9.86 Carl Lewis 13 9.86 Maurice Greene 9.87
14 9.86 Frank Fredericks 14 9.88 Ato Boldon 9.87
15 9.86 Maurice Greene 15 9.94 Maurice Greene 9.88
16 9.86 Ato Boldon 16 10.03 Viktor Bryzgin 9.88
17 9.86 Ato Boldon 17 9.88 Maurice Greene 9.88
18 9.86 Ato Boldon 18 9.84 Donovan Bailey 9.88
19 9.86 Ato Boldon 19 9.87 Asafa Powell 9.88
20 9.86 Maurice Greene 20 9.86 Ato Boldon 9.88
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Wow, you must be a track expert ::)
i like sports..and unlike yourself, have half a brain. why the sarcasm?....are you annoyed and behind on your daily post target?
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you might like this...
hope the formatting works
top 20 100m all time not adjustment for wind top 20 100m all time adjusted for wind
adjusted time
1 9.76 Justin Gatlin 1 9.79 Maurice Greene 9.80
2 9.77 Asafa Powell 2 9.82 Maurice Greene 9.81
3 9.79 Maurice Greene 3 9.8 Maurice Greene 9.81
4 9.8 Maurice Greene 4 9.86 Frank Fredericks 9.84
5 9.82 Maurice Greene 5 9.86 Ato Boldon 9.84
6 9.84 Donovan Bailey 6 9.86 Maurice Greene 9.85
7 9.84 Bruny Surin 7 9.87 Maurice Greene 9.85
8 9.84 Asafa Powell 8 9.84 Bruny Surin 9.85
9 9.85 Leroy Burrell 9 9.87 Obadele Thompson 9.86
10 9.85 Maurice Greene 10 9.76 Justin Gatlin 9.86
11 9.85 Justin Gatlin 11 9.77 Asafa Powell 9.87
12 9.85 Asafa Powell 12 9.86 Ato Boldon 9.87
13 9.86 Carl Lewis 13 9.86 Maurice Greene 9.87
14 9.86 Frank Fredericks 14 9.88 Ato Boldon 9.87
15 9.86 Maurice Greene 15 9.94 Maurice Greene 9.88
16 9.86 Ato Boldon 16 10.03 Viktor Bryzgin 9.88
17 9.86 Ato Boldon 17 9.88 Maurice Greene 9.88
18 9.86 Ato Boldon 18 9.84 Donovan Bailey 9.88
19 9.86 Ato Boldon 19 9.87 Asafa Powell 9.88
20 9.86 Maurice Greene 20 9.86 Ato Boldon 9.88
Maurice called himself the G.O.A.T. for good reason :o
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you might like this...
hope the formatting works
top 20 100m all time not adjustment for wind top 20 100m all time adjusted for wind
adjusted time
1 9.76 Justin Gatlin 1 9.79 Maurice Greene 9.80
2 9.77 Asafa Powell 2 9.82 Maurice Greene 9.81
3 9.79 Maurice Greene 3 9.8 Maurice Greene 9.81
4 9.8 Maurice Greene 4 9.86 Frank Fredericks 9.84
5 9.82 Maurice Greene 5 9.86 Ato Boldon 9.84
6 9.84 Donovan Bailey 6 9.86 Maurice Greene 9.85
7 9.84 Bruny Surin 7 9.87 Maurice Greene 9.85
8 9.84 Asafa Powell 8 9.84 Bruny Surin 9.85
9 9.85 Leroy Burrell 9 9.87 Obadele Thompson 9.86
10 9.85 Maurice Greene 10 9.76 Justin Gatlin 9.86
11 9.85 Justin Gatlin 11 9.77 Asafa Powell 9.87
12 9.85 Asafa Powell 12 9.86 Ato Boldon 9.87
13 9.86 Carl Lewis 13 9.86 Maurice Greene 9.87
14 9.86 Frank Fredericks 14 9.88 Ato Boldon 9.87
15 9.86 Maurice Greene 15 9.94 Maurice Greene 9.88
16 9.86 Ato Boldon 16 10.03 Viktor Bryzgin 9.88
17 9.86 Ato Boldon 17 9.88 Maurice Greene 9.88
18 9.86 Ato Boldon 18 9.84 Donovan Bailey 9.88
19 9.86 Ato Boldon 19 9.87 Asafa Powell 9.88
20 9.86 Maurice Greene 20 9.86 Ato Boldon 9.88
Any idea how accurate this is? I am not doubting you personally, but, that seems a little too neat a fit for something like this. I mean it isn't like they are running rectangles. Humans have funny shapes and I just wonder how accurate this is.
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i like sports..and unlike yourself, have half a brain. why the sarcasm?....are you annoyed and behind on your daily post target?
You're right, I don't have half a brain, I have a whole brain ;D
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Any idea how accurate this is? I am not doubting you personally, but, that seems a little too neat a fit for something like this. I mean it isn't like they are running rectangles. Humans have funny shapes and I just wonder how accurate this is.
there is a website out there that did significant studies into the subject. you are correct, different body shapes, angles and so forth...as well as the fact that the wind fluctuates in both strength and angle. That is why they settled at a legal limit.
Still, even with a legal limit, some athletes benefit more than others...but something has to be decided, otherwise all records are moot.
the general acceptance is that 0.06s/m/s of wind is the figure.
it's interesting nonetheless.
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Johnson was almost 20 years ahead of where they are now, and there's no reason to assume that these guys aren't on something as well; the Americans are better at masking it. Johnson probably would've been around 9.75 if he hadn't raised his hand towards the end of the Olympics final, and baring injury, might've gotten to the low 9.7s.
Speed Trap's an excellent book that predates by over a decade much of the in-depth drug protocol detailed recently in Juiced. It includes some of the info that came out in the Canadian inquiry of the late 80s. It can be found on amazon.ca from time to time. Francis was recently involved with training American sprinters Montgomery & Jones.
Gatlin's connection with Balco is his coach, who was responsible for the scandal by bringing a syringe with a then-unknown steroid to the authorities. That coach's athletes have had various drug-related infractions over the years and it looks like he incriminated Balco as payback for something that happened, not because he has higher moral standards.
It's estimated that the .01 of a second that he took off the existing record comes out to about 4". :o
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Didn't he attend college at the University of Tennessee? Seems like I remember that name, I'm about 1/2 hr from the campus.
Yes, he was on scholarship at UT, but he came out early to turn pro.
When I saw him at NCAAs a few years back, he was the fastest collegian I'd ever seen on a track. He was a tall, lanky lightweight kid and ran like a gazelle. At USATF Nationals a few years later, he'd put on quite a few pounds and although not huge like Green and Drummond, he had definitely become more of a power sprinter.
Congrats to him on this new world record.
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Yes, he was on scholarship at UT, but he came out early to turn pro.
When I saw him at NCAAs a few years back, he was the fastest collegian I'd ever seen on a track. He was a tall, lanky lightweight kid and ran like a gazelle. At USATF Nationals a few years later, he'd put on quite a few pounds and although not huge like Green and Drummond, he had definitely become more of a power sprinter.
Congrats to him on this new world record.
How long do you think it will last?
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stfu fucking goat fucker, you dont belong to europe nor the USA.
you belong to desert, sand and camels.
what the fuck are you talkin you fucking furby
i was born in germany and by the way turkey also belongs to europe
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Well that is great for the US. Until they do a drug test and they find roids. Then it will be another black eye for us.
Why do you think the drug test will be found positive?
YIP
Zack
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It was amazing the year Donovan Bailey won! It was estimated that he reached the highest peak speed of any Olympic athlete ever! :o
i watched him equal the record he set after pulling up 15metres from the end with a hamstring pull. He would have shattered the record had he finished properly and it would still be standing today
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It was amazing the year Donovan Bailey won! It was estimated that he reached the highest peak speed of any Olympic athlete ever! :o
Synthol ::)
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i watched him equal the record he set after pulling up 15metres from the end with a hamstring pull. He would have shattered the record had he finished properly and it would still be standing today
It's always a shame when someone gets hurt during a great race! :-\ I wonder if he was approaching his physical limit when it happened. Remember his 150m race with Michael Johnson? ;D
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Of course in sprints they're virtually always at their physical limit, thus a high likelihood of injuries like that.
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Of course in sprints they're virtually always at their physical limit, thus a high likelihood of injuries like that.
I mean the absolute limits of peak speed that they can safely reach.
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The drugs are causing more injuries as the muscles get stronger than the ligaments can handle in explosive bursts. Ben Johnson was injured prior to Seoul and might've had more problems had he continued running.
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The drugs are causing more injuries as the muscles get stronger than the ligaments can handle in explosive bursts. Ben Johnson was injured prior to Seoul and might've had more problems had he continued running.
That's true. Torn muscles seem to happen in bodybuilding as drug use has grown.
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Gatlin will be found to be clean. Man is amazing. I wish track and field got more attention.
clean?...i hope is a sarcastic remark ,,,...ben johnson is the original mac daddy of sprinting ...carl lewis should give him back the gold....