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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: txhulk on May 21, 2006, 08:58:51 PM
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I've done my research on this and it seems to be a descent AAS,but I was wondering if any of you guys have ran it and what you think of it.Also I was planning this as my first cycle,500 mg andropen 275 10 week cycle.its my first so I diddn't wanna go all out.
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I think its good for a first time cycle.
have your pct ready....its a good test base
you might be told to take sust 250? but this stuff is good that your wanting to take.
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I'm gonna take clomid for pct.
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your good to go.
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From what I've read Andropen 275 is good stuff, but I've never tried it.
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I've done my research on this and it seems to be a descent AAS,but I was wondering if any of you guys have ran it and what you think of it.Also I was planning this as my first cycle,500 mg andropen 275 10 week cycle.its my first so I diddn't wanna go all out.
Never used Andropen.
Let us know how it feels.
From what I know about it, not too thrilled.
Any reason you don't want to do a standard cycle?
DIV
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well I thought i would start with something simple and i'm trying to stay away from orals.I don't have the exp. alot of you guys do,so i'm having to rely on research(don't know anyone)any advice is more than welcome. Thanks
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Also,for PCT what in your opinion is better clomid or nolva.I've seen a few post about clomid and it seems like no one seems to like it.Might I ask why? :)
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Andropen looks awesome. A great blend. Two-three of those a week with a nice load of Eq should be most agreeable.
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Clomid is like the old school,but its still great.
all of a sudden nolva came out and people were like I want to be cool.
so they needed to fit in with the new stuff comming.Its all a trend what becomes new and someone tries it all of a sudden its the shit.Well you should never forget what works and started back in the days.
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Also,for PCT what in your opinion is better clomid or nolva.I've seen a few post about clomid and it seems like no one seems to like it.Might I ask why? :)
Clomid has some sides that alot of people don't like.
It causes visions problems and also emotional disturbances in people, this is common.
Nolvadex has the same effect for purposes of PCT without the added sides, thus, I recommend that over Clomid.
Sure they both work, but given the choice I would alway choose Nolvadex.
DIV
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Clomid is like the old school,but its still great.
all of a sudden nolva came out and people were like I want to be cool.
so they needed to fit in with the new stuff comming.Its all a trend what becomes new and someone tries it all of a sudden its the shit.Well you should never forget what works and started back in the days.
The upside to Nolva is it is more effective at a lower dose, about 10 times that of clomid. Clomid is reputed to cause sides on vision but have seen studies linking nolva to the same. Again you need less nolva to achive the same results you would with clomid....less chance for sides.
Now clomid is reputed to stimulate the release of GnRH........Not sure if it really does but that my friends is the key to recovery. Me I like to run clomid at 50mg ED At about 14 days or so into PCT....after the effects of the HCG have dissipated, I will do this for 2 weeks.
Thats right Beyoches.......Im back! :)
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Thats right Beyoches.......Im back! :)
It's about time...welcome back bro :)
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Thanks Arnold, good to see your still here. Hope the training and getting big is going good!!
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well I already got some clomid...too late now how bad are the sides ???
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Clomid has some sides that alot of people don't like.
It causes visions problems and also emotional disturbances in people, this is common.
Nolvadex has the same effect for purposes of PCT without the added sides, thus, I recommend that over Clomid.
Sure they both work, but given the choice I would alway choose Nolvadex.
DIV
Clomid is no problem if you're already insane. For the rest, it only affects the weak.
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well I already got some clomid...too late now how bad are the sides ???
Use it, enjoy any sides, embrace them, overcome them. Use your power. Seriously, the sides are overplayed. As Luv2hurt said, Clomid is superior to Nolvadex but both together would even be able to postpone death.
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Just a question on what the emotional sides to clomid are div if you could answer that would be kool cheers.
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As Luv2hurt said, Clomid is superior to Nolvadex
I think you missunderstood my post. Did not say Clomid was superior to Nolva. Nolva is the best choice for PCT. Do agree though that the sides to clomid are overplayed.
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I think you missunderstood my post. Did not say Clomid was superior to Nolva. Nolva is the best choice for PCT. Do agree though that the sides to clomid are overplayed.
But that was the discussion, it's use in PCT, so that use is what I was referring to. As an anti e for example I wouldn't know. Anyone used clomid to avoid gyno?
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what about arimdex for an anti-estrogen ?
I thought it would get rid of the exxess estrogen altogether.
nolvadex just takes up the receptors, and yes clomid doeswork as an anti E somewhat , but isn't it mostly used after HCG to raise natural test levels back to normal and get the testes running again ?
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But that was the discussion, it's use in PCT, so that use is what I was referring to. As an anti e for example I wouldn't know. Anyone used clomid to avoid gyno?
Clomid is a weak anti-E its a SERM just like nolva, not as strong though. Since clomid is an ineffective anti-E the doses to prevent gyno would be astronomical, thats why people do not use it for this purpose. Yes Arimedex or Femara will also control gyno, IMO much more effectively than Nolva. Although some people are not huge fans of the total absense of E in the human organism.
Kind of wondering if big O would in fact go into the reasons he hates AIs (stated in another post) ? Would be interesting to hear.
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I've done my research on this and it seems to be a descent AAS,but I was wondering if any of you guys have ran it and what you think of it.Also I was planning this as my first cycle,500 mg andropen 275 10 week cycle.its my first so I diddn't wanna go all out.
hi, andropen 275 would be great for first time, test combo will give you results in 1st few weeks training ,
so i think 500 mg a weeks 10 weeks will be good enough...
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Cool man , just took my first one today ;D.I'm also taking in 550mg not 500.I'm taking it twice a week sat275mg tues 275mg. :)
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ANDROPEN DEATH.
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Cool man , just took my first one today ;D.I'm also taking in 550mg not 500.I'm taking it twice a week sat275mg tues 275mg. :)
that is good man, you would see your results after several week..
cheers
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About how many weeks would you guess ?I say about 3 but I have no exp. so i'm just going by what i've read.Thanks
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ANDROPEN DEATH.
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About how many weeks would you guess ?I say about 3 but I have no exp. so i'm just going by what i've read.Thanks
hi hulk..
well andropen as well as other combo tests such sustanons is effective soon after injection !,
that is his advantage !
also you will feel andropen effects in your muscles one hour after u inject it , and side resilts ( on your muscles) will be visible after 3-4 weeks working out !!
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Ya man I felt A little somthin but I thought it was just me wanting to feel it lol.
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just give your best in the gym !
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Long time GetBig reader / first time poster here.
Just wanted to relay my positive experience with Andropen 275. Below is a brief overview of current cycle.
Wk 1-6: Dbol 30mg/day
Wk 1-20: Deca 500mg/wk (250mg Mon & Thurs)
Wk 1-12: Andropen 550mg/wk (275 mg Mon & Thurs)
Wk 13-20: Andropen 825mg/wk (1.5 ml Mon & Thurs)
Wk 1-20: Tamoxifen 20mg/ED
I consumed between 4000-5000 cal daily with a minimum of 350mg protein/day and majority of carb coming from oats & brown rice plus cheat meal on Sat & Sun evening. I also incorporated 30 min cardio on recumbent bike 5-6 mornings a week before consuming first meal of day.
Size and strength gains were excellent. I had over 12 years of drug free bodybuilding experience before beginning this cycle so admittedly I had a good base to start from. I am 6' tall and got my bodyweight up to 245 pounds for the last 2 months of this cycle. I weigh in each Sat AM before first meal w/no shoes so weight should be very accurate.
In the past I have achieved weight as high as 232 lbs naturally in my off-season training but with a significantly higher BF % than this past off season while on cycle. I am certain that I could have pushed my bodyweight into the low-mid 250's but I tried to keep bodyfat somewhat in check. I also had alot of difficulty fitting into my existing wardrobe of professional work clothes which ended up being an unplanned expense during the cycle.
I am transitioning over to a cutting cycle and just finished my last shot of Deca this week. I have cut back calories somewhat (eliminated about 100g of carbs/day) and also eliminated weekly cheat meals until I am need of a metabolism kick-start. Cardio is now 6 mornings/wk. I am now down to 232 lbs with a 33" waist and visible abs.
Beginning next week I will be adding in 50mg/day oral Winstrol and 75mg/EOD of Tren A along with a test base of 825 mg/wk of Andropen 275.
Proper PCT has already been set aside (HCG and Nolva). Beginning in January 2007 I will start all over again and based on my positive experience with Andropen will probably use as my Test in future cycles.
Thanks to all of you who have posted useful information. GetBig is one of my favorites and I check it out on a daily basis. Hope this info is useful.
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Sounds like a well planned program. Very well thought out and done. Im betting you will achive the goals you seek.
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Thanks for compliment on above cycle.
I should have also added in that the Winstrol/Tren portion of the cycle is for a total of 6 weeks only. Looking forward to the results but must admit that I am not looking forward to Tren sides.
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Thanks for compliment on above cycle.
I should have also added in that the Winstrol/Tren portion of the cycle is for a total of 6 weeks only. Looking forward to the results but must admit that I am not looking forward to Tren sides.
You may not have any trouble with the tren...I don't experience negatives sides with it...pinning 75mg ed right now with no problems.
Do a lot of you have trouble with tren? I always hear and read about people who have had nasty sides with it, but I've personally never known one of these people and I know of a load of guys who use it and do so responsably...maybe that's the reason they don't have any trouble because they are not idiots with it.
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I have trouble sleeping well while on tren. The stuff also seems to make me a little ragey. Nothing too crazy though. thats at 100mg EOD
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I wanted to try some tren with my cycle,but since it is my first I thought i'd keep it basic :) i'm starting to notice tiny changes and it's only been a week I don't know if its just me thinking that?just for an example I can usually hit bench 325 for 6 reps on a great day but yesterday I got 8 easy ??? and pumped to the max.what do you guys think?
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I think your doing good.
dont think if its the gear or not just keep doing what your doing and do it hard.
youll see the changes,I wont say it's not the gear cause i dont know your body,But keep it up.
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just to give you guys an idea.I'm 5'6'' tall and weigh 230lb pretty much solid,very stocky build.I think theres some pics of me some where on this site ???