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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Matt C on May 24, 2006, 12:57:19 PM
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Who?
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Dickerson and Zane.
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I have a 3 way tie.. and 3 diffrent reasons why each are the worst
Dickerson- Had the worst Mr. O physique
Samir- Was a one shot wonder
Franco- won cause he was Arnolds dickboy
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I have a 3 way tie.. and 3 diffrent reasons why each are the worst
Dickerson- Had the worst Mr. O physique
Samir- Was a one shot wonder
Franco- won cause he was Arnolds dickboy
That ends it there. Couldnt argue with any of that.
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any one timer who couldn't duplicate it
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Dickerson and Zane.
Zane won three straight against some decent competition.
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chris looked decent in this shot though,its amazing how bodybuilding has grown as far as sheer mass
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v384/ipkiss/chris4.jpg)
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^^^ pic is from 1971 -74 ..
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he said kids used to make fun of him cause his calves were so big,i wish i had that problem,i got the opposite,kids laughed at me cause my calves were to skinny ;D
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Franco cause of his leg. Got a gift that day.
Freak :-\
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nevermind francos right nipple was squirrting milk all over the judges score sheets ;D
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From 1976 to 1983, Mr. Olympia was under 200 lbs. With the exception of 220 lb. Arnold in 1980. Wow, how times have changed. Then along came Haney at 240+ lbs, which pretty much ushered in the modern era of supersized bodybuilders.
I'd also have to go with Dickerson as being the least dominant Mr. O. But I wouldn't include Zane in that list because for three years in a row he was best in the world.
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nevermind francos right nipple was squirrting milk all over the judges score sheets ;D
ROFL
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i'm a fan of Samir and think he deserved his O title. but, he couldn't repeat his personal best and kept trying for a number of years. franco and dickerson both stopped trying after their gifts.
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i'm a fan of Samir and think he deserved his O title. but, he couldn't repeat his personal best and kept trying for a number of years. franco and dickerson both stopped trying after their gifts.
Samir was awesome. He just couldn't get it dialed in.
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Samir was the King Kamali of the eighties. As Mike Christian said "all bark and no bite".
Samir and Mike Quinn can be compared to Craig Titus and King. Not sure which of the present day pair matches the ironage ones though.
Come on Matt. Samir was built. He just couldn't get it together on competition day.
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Come on Matt. Samir was built. He just couldn't get it together on competition day.
wonk wonk wonk
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Samir was the King Kamali of the eighties. As Mike Christian said "all bark and no bite".
Samir and Mike Quinn can be compared to Craig Titus and King. Not sure which of the present day pair matches the ironage ones though.
Matt! Some of you young fellas just do not know class when you see it. Samir had one of the most complete physiques of all time. His balance and detail at his early 80s best is hard to fault. He fully deserved the 83 Olympia against top class opposition. Samir in shape next to those guys you mentioned (not Quinn and Christian) would be unbelievably unfair, laughable even, they would have been totally outclassed - Although a best ever Bannout would have taken Quinn and porbably Christian too.
He never got even close to his 83 showing thereafter but on that day he was a worthy champion.
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Samir was the King Kamali of the eighties. As Mike Christian said "all bark and no bite".
Samir and Mike Quinn can be compared to Craig Titus and King. Not sure which of the present day pair matches the ironage ones though.
if tamali won the fukking olympia you could say that, you do post some bullshit. ::)
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Dickerson
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I agree with the other old-timers here--comparing Bannout to Kamali is a gross insult to Samir. On his worst day, Samir was light-years ahead of Kamali. Mike Christian was just talking smack but he respected Bannout and knew he was a formidable opponent.
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Samir was the King Kamali of the eighties. As Mike Christian said "all bark and no bite".
Samir and Mike Quinn can be compared to Craig Titus and King. Not sure which of the present day pair matches the ironage ones though.
Samir compared to Craig and King....Not even close
Maybe Samir's career didn't go well but he still won the big title of Mr Olympia and that's all that really matters.
King actually still has a chance to be Mr Olympia however he'll need to work a lot on the midsection....
Craig Titus can win the Mr Olympia as well. The only thing that needs to happen is to attach some wings to some pigs and put a couple of snow machines in hell....... ;D
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Samir compared to Craig and King....Not even close
Maybe Samir's career didn't go well but he still won the big title of Mr Olympia and that's all that really matters.
King actually still has a chance to be Mr Olympia however he'll need to work a lot on the midsection....
Vince, you're high on something right? The Kamali comment is a joke? Over my head perhaps?
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Vince has clearly been hitting the magic stick/bee pollen stack too hard again.
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Samir was the King Kamali of the eighties. As Mike Christian said "all bark and no bite".
Samir and Mike Quinn can be compared to Craig Titus and King. Not sure which of the present day pair matches the ironage ones though.
Oh boy what a dumbass analogy that was lol Matt you should have really , really and I mean really , have thought this one through before you typed lol
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I think Columbu in 1982 had the worst Mr. Olympia physique.
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I think Columbu in 1982 had the worst Mr. Olympia physique.
Columbo in 81 !!
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Larry Scott
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Columbo in 81 !!
Oops :-[
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Oops :-[
Like Shawn Perine said , 1981 Mr Olympia was more controversial than 1980 and I agree .
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Larry Scott
I knew someone would say Scott just to be different but that is way off the mark. Scott was very dominant as the opposition at the time was relatively poor due to the low status of the contest for the first few years. But what's more, Larry Scott in the 60s had a truly fantastic physique and was a handful for anyone.
I think Columbo in 81 is a fair assessment of a guy who should not have won and showed a pretty poor physique. Danny Padilla should have had that show, with Platz and Roy Callender close behind. To be fair though, any of those 3 winning would have made sense. That has to be an example of a contest being fixed.
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Yates was known as the Columbu of the 90s.
Scott was dominant in the mid-60s, the first guy I saw with real size.
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Platz had it in 1981. >:(
Dickerson , Platz and Padilla all looked a hell of a lot better than Columbo .
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Dickerson , Platz and Padilla all looked a hell of a lot better than Columbo .
You got it partially right; Callender was also right there, with better overall balance than Platz or Dickerson.
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Yates was known as the Columbu of the 90s.
Scott was dominant in the mid-60s, the first guy I saw with real size.
Here we go again with the anti Dorian crap. Give it a rest man, we are able to discuss other things and what's more you don't believe that statement you just want another argument to spice up your drab existence. :-*
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Columbu in his both wins
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Here we go again with the anti Dorian crap. Give it a rest man, we are able to discuss other things and what's more you don't believe that statement you just want another argument to spice up your drab existence.
STFU up turd, it's an opinion; deal with it.
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lol! I wasn't referring to his excellent 1983 physique. If I was I would gladly accept you calling me a dumbass lol. ;)
Samir's physique in 1983 was the yardstick of proportion, symmetry, and aesthetics!!
But after 1983 Samir became a King Kamali type. He touted a victory in 1984 and a lifetime best showing only to end up sixth. :(
"Only" 6th is something a lot of guys wish they had achieved. It's as much of a pipe dream for Kamali as is getting a productive life for Pumpster.
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This coming from someone of integrity, "anal discharge". hahahahahhahah
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STFU up you turd, it's an opinion; deal with it.
Opinions from low life gutter scum like you account for little. Anyway, you didn't proffer an opinion you made an unfounded statement about what Dorian was known as - anyone ever heard that before? Do the world and your family a service and go and play in the traffic. In fact, take them with you.
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lol! I wasn't referring to his excellent 1983 physique. If I was I would gladly accept you calling me a dumbass lol. ;)
Samir's physique in 1983 was the yardstick of proportion, symmetry, and aesthetics!!
But after 1983 Samir became a King Kamali type. He touted a victory in 1984 and a lifetime best showing only to end up sixth. :(
The sport went a different direction when Haney won size took precedence , but Samir was on the tail end of the size doesn't matter trend and he did continue to compete and he actually won a show in 1990 !!
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My point is that not that sixth is a meaningless rank, but sixth is indeed meaningless when you tout yourself as the dominant champion.
At the time of the 1984 Olympia you were just a few short months passed your retirement age (55). A retired school teacher I take it? Yes, when I don't have all the facts I do the next best thing - make shit up.
Please continue to do so. You have a very creative mind. You're closer than you think by the way.
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My guess is that as a high school teacher you fraternized a lot, e.g., took heaping dumps on the stomachs of your female students and had them squeeze your head between their thighs until you turned beet red.
This kind of thing was part of the school curriculum at the time so I was duty bound.
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Yes, you know full well that I did. In fact I knew a very strange group of gentlemen who enjoyed all manner of perversion. Ladies under 5'2 were very often involved.
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I have a 3 way tie.. and 3 diffrent reasons why each are the worst
Dickerson- Had the worst Mr. O physique
Samir- Was a one shot wonder
Franco- won cause he was Arnolds dickboy
I'm with you on Dickerson & Franco because they were definately not Mr. Olympia caliber. Samir though is a different story. His problem was that he could not nail his conditioning again. His physique though was incredible. No real weak points besides his hamstrings and awesome shape. Samir definately deserve to win the O when he did and I also felt he should have placed a bit higher in a few other shows.
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Who would you vote for? Chris Dickerson is at the top of this list in my mind. Any others?
Least dominant Mr.Olympia ever is Coleman: only Mr.Olympia, ever, to be defeated at a minor show while being the standard-bearer. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Least dominant Mr.Olympia ever is Coleman: only Mr.Olympia, ever, to be defeated at a minor show while being the standard-bearer. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Yes definetly. I agree. 8 time consecutive mr olympia certainly qualifies him for the title over one hit wonders like dickerson and bannout.
Idiot savant
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i still can't believe people curse franco columbu..franco owned every 1 onstage in 1981..his freaky lat spreads,side chest poses and sheer hardness overall was more than enough for any 1 2 handle..U ALL R SMOKIN THE CRACK HEAVILY......FRANCO OWNED EVERY 1 THAT DAY.........END OF STORY
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Like Shawn Perine said , 1981 Mr Olympia was more controversial than 1980 and I agree .
Yeah, zero legs and bitch tits. Fuck, how can you win with two HUGE flaws.
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Larry Scott
Scott was awesome for his day. Look at his arms and delts.
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larry,s huge bi,s helped carry him alittle also,like you said though i agree he was very good for his time,larry loved that preacher curl
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Like Shawn Perine said , 1981 Mr Olympia was more controversial than 1980 and I agree .
I have to agree with this. I don't know why people like to talk about 1980 as if it were the worst ::)
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imo the 80,s was the last decade that the leaner bdybuilder even had a shot at winning the mr o,guys like gaspari,lebrada,paris,benfatto,ray and some others had a legit shot at winning,now it seems like if your not 260 plus you can forget it,the 80,s had aton of quality bodybuilders imo
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Like Shawn Perine said , 1981 Mr Olympia was more controversial than 1980 and I agree .
I have to agree with this. I don't know why people like to talk about 1980 as if it were the worst
Very debatable assumption by Perrine. 1982, 81 and 80 were all in the same ballpark.
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Perrine wasn't entirely correct. 1982, 81 and 80 were all in the same ballpark.
Arnold was the clear winner in 1980. What was wrong in 1982?
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Chris was probably as weak as Columbu, at the bottom of the pile. Obviously Arnold was not a clear winner otherwise the debate wouldn't have continued. Too close to say that any one of those early-80s shows was more questionable than the next-about the same top guys in 81 and 82.
In '82 he beat about the same field, with Fox & Makkawy added in lieu of Callender: Fox, Zane, Platz, Padilla, Makkay, etc.
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the 80 and 81 olympia imo and many other peoples opinion will go down as the most controversial shows ever,the 81 o especially.ive always been a franco fan but cmon
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81 O was the worst...there are pics of Franco alongside Padillia and Danny crushes him, plus you had Roy Callender and Platz at thier all time best...
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Chris was probably as weak as Columbu, at the bottom of the pile. Obviously Arnold was not a clear winner otherwise the debate wouldn't have continued. Too close to say that any one of those early-80s shows was more questionable than the next.
In '82 he beat Fox, Zane, Platz, etc.
It was controversial because Arnold knew the judges and wasn't supposed to have competed. His physique was clearly the best. Take a look at the pics.
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It was controversial because Arnold knew the judges and wasn't supposed to have competed. His physique was clearly the best. Take a look at the pics.
Too simplistic-physically Schwarzenegger was nowhere near what he'd been, having rushed into it at the last minute mainly as a promotional vehicle for his new contract to do Conan. Physically it was close-politics by themselves never would have sustained the debate otherwise. Schwarzenegger looks great in some pics, in others there's an obvious lack of size and balance.
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Too simplistic-physically Schwarzenegger was nowhere near what he'd been, having rushed into it at the last minute mainly as a promotional vehicle for his new contract to do Conan. Physically it was close-politics by themselves never would have sustained the debate otherwise. Schwarzenegger looks great in some pics, in others there's an obvious lack of size and balance.
He wasn't competing against himself, he was competing against the others onstage, and as I much as I hate to say it, he dwarfed them ;D
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He dwarfed them in height, but as always without hormones he was 200-210, and didn't have time to regain most of the weight that he had in previous contests = deficiencies that made it close.
Add to that the same favoritism Columbu benefitted from.
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Frank Zane definitely.
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Frank Zane definitely.
That's pretty stupid. Zane won it 3 times in a row so it wasn't a fluke. And he did it by beating legends like Mentzer, Robby, Coe, Padilla, Szkalak, Roy Callender, Al Beckles et al. In other words, Zane "dominated" in an era when the rest of the field was a lot deeper and tougher than it is currently!
Let me guess, you weren't even born in 79 when Zane won his last Olympia?
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That's pretty stupid. Zane won it 3 times in a row so it wasn't a fluke. And he did it by beating legends like Mentzer, Robby, Coe, Padilla, Szkalak, Roy Callender, Al Beckles et al. In other words, Zane "dominated" in an era when the rest of the field was a lot deeper and tougher than it is currently!
Let me guess, you weren't even born in 79 when Zane won his last Olympia?
Frank Zane won by his sheer aestetics which literally crushed his competition and he was the master of the psycological warfare. He would pay to have billboards out around the arena welcoming him as Mr Olympia. Seeing that sign driving in to compete must have left them in awe. He also did the same thing as Arnold did by getting photographers to take numerous pictures of him on stage while ignoring everyone else.
Frank was the true Zen Master. Heck, he even beat Arnold one time. Its no fluke.
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my buddy saw zane back in 79 in cali and he said he couldnt believe the size of zane,he was used to hearing stories on how zane was small and this and that,my buddy swore that zane was alot bigger then he expected.zane may not have been the hugest guy back then but he was by no means small,plus his 3 mr o trophies ment he was doing something right ;)
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Matt! Some of you young fellas just do not know class when you see it. Samir had one of the most complete physiques of all time. His balance and detail at his early 80s best is hard to fault. He fully deserved the 83 Olympia against top class opposition. Samir in shape next to those guys you mentioned (not Quinn and Christian) would be unbelievably unfair, laughable even, they would have been totally outclassed - Although a best ever Bannout would have taken Quinn and porbably Christian too.
He never got even close to his 83 showing thereafter but on that day he was a worthy champion.
'85 W.A.B.B.A Pro World he did.
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samir was very good,i remember him saying he always had trouble getting rid of that last bit of water aday or 2 before a show,the day he won the olympia he was dry as the desert though
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Gentleman,
Samir had no balance or asthetics? ???
Here he is owning zane:
(http://www.fitplus.cz/allpic/mf/news_823.jpg)
My vote too is for Franco 81.
Gyno, short biceps, no legs, ugly chest split (whoever praises that?)
Danny Padilla was the better short man.
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my buddy saw zane back in 79 in cali and he said he couldnt believe the size of zane,he was used to hearing stories on how zane was small and this and that,my buddy swore that zane was alot bigger then he expected.zane may not have been the hugest guy back then but he was by no means small,plus his 3 mr o trophies ment he was doing something right ;)
More proof that bodybuilding is not about weight, but about illusion.
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my buddy saw zane back in 79 in cali and he said he couldnt believe the size of zane,he was used to hearing stories on how zane was small and this and that,my buddy swore that zane was alot bigger then he expected.zane may not have been the hugest guy back then but he was by no means small,plus his 3 mr o trophies ment he was doing something right ;)
Zane was good and he deserved his wins over Mentzer and crew, BUT you can thank politics and different carrer directions for keeping Oliva, Nubret, and Schwarzenegger out. Throw in Louie too.
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As far as being "least dominant" is concerned, technically, you'd have to start with the one-timers, Dickerson and Bannout.
However, I wouldn't include Dickerson, simply because he never tried to win the O a second time. He was comtemplating retirement in the early 80s. The Olympia was the only title he hadn't won. When he finally got it in '82, he simply decided to take his ball and go home, as his career was complete.
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Franco was a mercy Mr. Olympia
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As far as being "least dominant" is concerned, technically, you'd have to start with the one-timers, Dickerson and Bannout.
However, I wouldn't include Dickerson, simply because he never tried to win the O a second time. He was comtemplating retirement in the early 80s. The Olympia was the only title he hadn't won. When he finally got it in '82, he simply decided to take his ball and go home, as his career was complete.
Chris did compete three more times after winning the '82 Olympia: The '84 Olympia (11th), the '90 Arnold Classic (8th) and the '94 Masters Olympia (4th).
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Chris did compete three more times after winning the '82 Olympia: The '84 Olympia (11th), the '90 Arnold Classic (8th) and the '94 Masters Olympia (4th).
I knew about the '90 ASC and the '94 Masters. I figured since he had the lifetime qualification for the Olympia, he simply entered those shows for old times' sake, just to see if he still had it. I did not know about the '84 Olympia.
From the interview articles I've read about Dickerson, he never wanted to establish a long reign at Mr. O. It was simply the one title he hadn't won. Incidentally, he was more upset about placing 2nd to Columbu in '81 than he was about placing 2nd to Schwarzenegger in '80. All people talk about it Mike Mentzer, who wouldn't have won, even if Arnold hadn't placed first.
After his runner-up spot in '81, Dickerson wanted to quit according to FLEX, but his mentor, Bill Pearl, convinced him to give it one more try. He did; and the rest is history.
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samir had atleast a good wig
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For someone who has won 8 and counting.............
2001-Jay was winning the prejudging and still was favorite after show-
2002-When Ronnie won everyone was shouting Gunter!!!
2004-When He won because of his GUT, the boooing were flying around tha' house-
2005-Gustavo Badell beats Ronnie in the so called challenge round-
Things that makes you go MMMMMMMM
Bannout and Dickerson both were a 1 hit wonder........but they were also the most DOMINANT man on stage those years
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Anybody can say what they like, but anybody who wins the 0 was the best bodybuilder in the world that night. Even Samir was untouchable that night. Yea some weren't as dominating as others, but for that one night they pulled it all together. Something most can't do.