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While I don't care to see a pro guest pose, in horrible "off season" ie FAT shape, it amazes me how they can get so ripped come show time, aprox 16 weeks later. Plus, they seem to fade fairly quickly as well.
I have been in/around the sport for years and did lots of shows over the years. Granted, I am no pro but it takes me a lot longer to get ripped if I let myself go then what I see most pros need. On the other side, once I am in top shape, I can stay close to it for weeks, as long as my diet stays good.
How do they change so damn fast??????
Howard
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steroids [/stock response].
remember those photos of chick 5 weeks out from his show? he looked terrible (for him). then he got ripped in a little over a month.
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Well Lee Priest is a good example of this question you are presenting to us, HOWIE...
We all clearly seen with our own eyes that if you use hydroxycut and cell tech and nitro tech...you can do the same thing...added to you diet and weight training program.
You just arent down with 'The Stack'. Lee ate donuts, and fried chicken but he just used muscletech products and badda bing badda BOOM...got ripped/shredded in no time with ease.
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"People ask me why I don't just look like I do at a contest all year round. I tell them: 'Becuase I don't want to feel like that all year round'"
-King Kamali, Road to be King
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steroids [/stock response].
remember those photos of chick 5 weeks out from his show? he looked terrible (for him). then he got ripped in a little over a month.
THAT is a perfect example of what I am asking? It has to be something besides just basic steroids ???
It amazes me how they can get ready so quick, but then just fade so quickly as well.
I know guys I could have beaten 360 days out of the year, but during the brief contest period, they looked awesome and would get me. I see so many that don't even look like themselves after show 6 mos later.
I am not saying a guy that RETIRES should look like he did when he competed, but the difference I notice BETWEEN shows.
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It sucks dieting for a show! But the greatest moment isnt on stage, its getting off that stage and eating till you puke!
I gained 7lbs in 3 hours after my comp. Everything tasted so good. Then i drove down to the local supermarket the next day and spent about £40 on everything i had wanted to eat when cutting.
That included eating 3 jars of gherkins in 2 days. Dont ask me why ;D plus many boxes of pop tarts. The cookies and cream flavour come with my seal of apporval. Chocolate covered kellogs rice crispie squares, simply gorgeous!
Can you tell im precontest? ;D
Anyway to round off my point, dieting sucks. You diet for a show. After the show why stay on the diet? why not indulge youreself?
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THAT is a perfect example of what I am asking? It has to be something besides just basic steroids ???
It amazes me how they can get ready so quick, but then just fade so quickly as well.
I know guys I could have beaten 360 days out of the year, but during the brief contest period, they looked awesome and would get me. I see so many that don't even look like themselves after show 6 mos later.
I am not saying a guy that RETIRES should look like he did when he competed, but the difference I notice BETWEEN shows.
well, when skip lacour's website was open to everyone for free for a couple weeks (about a year, two years ago), he had one of his contest preps on there, day by day (hell, hour by hour almost).
i remember him losing something like 20-25 lbs overnight the day before (with pics, so he wasn't bsing) the show.
of course he's natural, so it just kinda happened for him.
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THAT is a perfect example of what I am asking? It has to be something besides just basic steroids ???
It amazes me how they can get ready so quick, but then just fade so quickly as well.
I know guys I could have beaten 360 days out of the year, but during the brief contest period, they looked awesome and would get me. I see so many that don't even look like themselves after show 6 mos later.
I am not saying a guy that RETIRES should look like he did when he competed, but the difference I notice BETWEEN shows.
pros love eating - after a contest they EAT. It's what they do. Melvin wrote in MD that he gained 30 lbs like 2 days after the Olympia.
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39246000/jpg/_39246426_hotdog_ap300.jpg)
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Well Lee Priest is a good example of this question you are presenting to us, HOWIE...
We all clearly seen with our own eyes that if you use hydroxycut and cell tech and nitro tech...you can do the same thing...added to you diet and weight training program.
You just arent down with 'The Stack'. Lee ate donuts, and fried chicken but he just used muscletech products and badda bing badda BOOM...got ripped/shredded in no time with ease.
Hmmmmm, ::) I don't think that muscletech may be the whole reason?????? ;)
Is it a mentle toughness , a combo of drugs with extreme diet or what??
I can't think of any other sport where a guy/gal can change so much , so quickly, both good or bad.
For example, Micheal Jordon on his BAD days is still a great player. Many of the bodybuilding pros could not win Mr Podunk in the deep off season. I am both amazed and rather puzzled about this...seriously ??? :-\
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pros love eating - after a contest they EAT. It's what they do. Melvin wrote in MD that he gained 30 lbs like 2 days after the Olympia.
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39246000/jpg/_39246426_hotdog_ap300.jpg)
I never got my body to change anything close to that in that kind of time frame. I know some do however and I am saying "wtf" ??? I mean it is one thing to pig out, but how do they gain and lose so quickly/???????
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Take Jay Cutlers pics for example. everyday theres a thread about him guestposing at a show.
Well guess what?? Thats not fat....Its mostly water. Theres a gustavo thread about the same thing. His gut is out and people think hes fat hahahaa. These guys can rarly pinch an inch on the belly, even in the offseason.
Of course there are some damning pics of Ray And cormier but none of us are leaner than them in offseason. ( excluding the ab-shooters, who cant gain mass) :o
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The reason they do is because once they put the food back into the body, it shocks the systems and they actually build more muscle because of the process. Once the post show pictures and the promo pictures are done, there's no need to stay in a catabolic state
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you train right eat right (4 low carb day one high carb day for exp,,or 3 low 1 high)...you do all of this preparing, cutting down, getting ready for competition. you do it inorder to keep as much muscle as you can on you,,while knowing you wanna lose poundage inorder to get to a contest bodyfat%
you also CAN do the same thing for building your physiqe while using hormones; it wont get you over the 200-210 mark (5'9) unless you are eating TONS of clean calories and that's immposible. the protien is not enough!! you need a lot of calories inorder to get up in size. calories integrated with bulking hormones.
the calories that will get you to the next level are what i call dirty calories. you MUST HAVE GOOD FOUNDATION! YOUR ARMS MUST BE ALREADY MESURING 17-18INCH,,,YOUR PECS SHOULD ALREADY BE THICK, FULL AND WIDE FROM YEARS OF TRAINING AND YOU SHOULD ALREADY HAVE A BEGGINING RATIO OF 190LB TO 30-32 INCH WAIST,,,INORDER TO GO TO THE NEXT LEVEL AND USE THOSE "DIRTY" CALORIES PROPERLY! DRUGS ALONE WILL NOT HELP HERE!! YOU MUST HAVE FOUNDATION AND A GOOD ONE THAT GOES WITH GOOD GENETICS.
and the above mentioned bring me to the in and out contest shape:
taking all of what i said above into consideration,,while we go and eat 2 foot long chiken parmigana subways and then 3 hour later chinease food and then 4 hour later polish sousage with chiken mixed with black beans and rice and then 4hour later some icecream mixed with 15 eggwhites....when we eat all of that.. we get the calories needed for the nandrolone and dianabol dose we take (gh and all of that good stuff too at times) to work properly and add muscle mass size. we will have watery more smooth physiqe BUT our bodyfat% will stay at 10-14% and wont move much due to already high enough muscle mass! the more lean muscle mass, the better your body will use those dirty calories.
when a guy with 150lb muscle mass doing it even if he has 190lb on his frame and is on hormones,,,the result will not be the same. the result will be getting higher bodyfat% and also increase water.
this is for the 21+ year old bodybuilder. (youth can eat whatever they want as long as they train correctly)
1. BUILD GOOD FOUNDATION BY TRAINING RIGHT AND EATING RIGHT.
2. TO GET TO THE NEXT LEVEL OF SIZE YOU NEED TO EAT. EVERYTHING IN SIGHT! THAT INCLUDES DIRTY CALORIES.
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Take Jay Cutlers pics for example. everyday theres a thread about him guestposing at a show.
Well guess what?? Thats not fat....Its mostly water. Theres a gustavo thread about the same thing. His gut is out and people think hes fat hahahaa. These guys can rarly pinch an inch on the belly, even in the offseason.
Of course there are some damning pics of Ray And cormier but none of us are leaner than them in offseason. ( excluding the ab-shooters, who cant gain mass) :o
May be true about the water retension, but how come I know plenty of Joe Blow types like me that never get water gains like that? Howard
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May be true about the water retension, but how come I know plenty of Joe Blow types like me that never get water gains like that? Howard
See gh post above. Have you built over 200lbs of sheer muscle?? Itll be used differently than a guy with 180lbs and 40%fat at 250lbs. Prossesing of calories and storage is different.
I dont agree that it takes drugs to build a 20" arm tho....cuz i KNOW it doesnt.
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See gh post above. Have you built over 200lbs of sheer muscle?? Itll be used differently than a guy with 180lbs and 40%fat at 250lbs. Prossesing of calories and storage is different.
I dont agree that it takes drugs to build a 20" arm tho....cuz i KNOW it doesnt.
That made sense, but I think that 40% of fat at 250 hit a little too close to home for me ???Not sure if I wanted to read thathehe
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That made sense, but I think that 40% of fat at 250 hit a little too close to home for me ???Not sure if I wanted to read thathehe
That wasnt meant for you, bro!! Just an example of how guys get hung up on numbers. For instance my measurement s are border pro level in the pics forum. But im a bag of shit right now and must pay the price for it.....leaning out.
Anyway you got the point huh?
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That wasnt meant for you, bro!! Just an example of how guys get hung up on numbers. For instance my measurement s are border pro level in the pics forum. But im a bag of shit right now and must pay the price for it.....leaning out.
Anyway you got the point huh?
I did....right in the belly ;D
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I did....right in the belly ;D
Well, we all start somewhere. I responded to you in my pic post.
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It sucks dieting for a show! But the greatest moment isnt on stage, its getting off that stage and eating till you puke!
I gained 7lbs in 3 hours after my comp. Everything tasted so good. Then i drove down to the local supermarket the next day and spent about £40 on everything i had wanted to eat when cutting.
That included eating 3 jars of gherkins in 2 days. Dont ask me why ;D plus many boxes of pop tarts. The cookies and cream flavour come with my seal of apporval. Chocolate covered kellogs rice crispie squares, simply gorgeous!
Can you tell im precontest? ;D
Anyway to round off my point, dieting sucks. You diet for a show. After the show why stay on the diet? why not indulge youreself?
Me Too ;D
Yeah I get cravings for breakfast foods.
Haha the biggest craving i got though was for waffer nalla bannana pudding, tirumsu, and loads of rice krispy treats homemade peanut butter.
I ate 2 gallons of the pudding my family made me, a huge pan of tirmusu, and then had 3 Mc D's cheeseburgers, some nuggets,bowlof homemade spaghetti, plate meatballs, plate calamari, 1 box of strawberry pop tarts, 1 box of toaster struddles, A dozen Krispy Kreme glazed fruit filled donuts all flavors,2 apple fritters, some ice cream snickers bars, some ben and jerry'sice cream,all within 6 hours, I was going to pop open fo real.Oh yeah and a fuddruckers burger.
Next morning went to a breafast buffet, needless to say everyone was staring at me ::) Lets just say I wiped em out of 1 bottle of maple syrup, and a bottle of blueberry syrup.
Hey good idea is to write the stuff down you crave, lol, then I like to go to the store buy it all, then some, for later during the week. Spent $600 at wal mart and the tom thumb, they also looked at me weird there also
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at the pro level it's mostly water. they're bloated all to hell but don't have huge amounts of fat on them. even at their "fattest" you can still see clear separations between the quad muscles and such. exception for lee.
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It's also dangerous.
make no mistake when taking in all the extra sodium fat calories, etc etc sugar!!
The body works over time, you begin to sweat and get dizzy, plus the diuretics, play with fire.
But when you get to thinking about it after a contest you use food like a drug, and feel like crap but the euphoria of eating is great, then you gaze around and see people selfinduge everyday, and you realize everyone has addictions
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Is it a rebound effect from the diuretics used precontest? Like the body goes berserk and holds water in a panic from getting so dry so fast?
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Rebound yes.
Rebound to everything, at the time of binging out your body is really in a hospital state, fight or flight state.
You have deprived yourself of sugar, carbs and fat, and then you limited your water intake and flushed all kinds of nutrients away.
So unless you have been shitloading during your contest prep, or shitloaded to carb up for theshow, your in for some very rough pains, full body aches.
I'm actually surprised there has not been any bodybuilders that have died from this, kinda like when they over feed pow's and jews during wwII.
Also 60% of heart attack occur after the stroke victim has eaten a rather large meal, 2-4 hourse before heart attack, most occured at night
A small percent were contributed directly to buffets.
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Rebound yes.
Rebound to everything, at the time of binging out your body is really in a hospital state, fight or flight state.
You have deprived yourself of sugar, carbs and fat, and then you limited your water intake and flushed all kinds of nutrients away.
So unless you have been shitloading during your contest prep, or shitloaded to carb up for theshow, your in for some very rough pains, full body aches.
I'm actually surprised there has not been any bodybuilders that have died from this, kinda like when they over feed pow's and jews during wwII.
Also 60% of heart attack occur after the stroke victim has eaten a rather large meal, 2-4 hourse before heart attack, most occured at night
A small percent were contributed directly to buffets.
I don't think going in is done quickly, but getting out of shape is. You've worked hard, time to take a break. Eat up. Nothing wrong with that!
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Yep takes 12 weeks to look you best and a few days to look your worst.
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Yep takes 12 weeks to look you best and a few days to look your worst.
Agreed ;D
I'm amazed at how much you managed to put away!
I diddnt plan ahead and at the venue there was only one place selling food. By the time i got there almost everything was gone. It was like a cloud of locusts!
I looked pregnant after i ate. My stomach swelled up with gas. It was incredibly uncomfortable.
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Agreed ;D
I'm amazed at how much you managed to put away!
I diddnt plan ahead and at the venue there was only one place selling food. By the time i got there almost everything was gone. It was like a cloud of locusts!
I looked pregnant after i ate. My stomach swelled up with gas. It was incredibly uncomfortable.
LOL good one. Perhaps this is why I never won a major title , only state/rehional ones and guys beat him by looking better on contest days...who knows.
To me bodybuilding is an overall lifestyle, not just contest wins/placements.
However, SUCCESS is judged by how one does in contests.
With my method andideas I never won a major show but did win 7 1st's at smaller shows in the summer of 1986, hmmm, not bad , plus I never would have won a national show anyway.
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LOL good one. Perhaps this is why I never won a major title , only state/rehional ones and guys beat him by looking better on contest days...who knows.
To me bodybuilding is an overall lifestyle, not just contest wins/placements.
However, SUCCESS is judged by how one does in contests.
With my method andideas I never won a major show but did win 7 1st's at smaller shows in the summer of 1986, hmmm, not bad , plus I never would have won a national show anyway.
I'm just starting out mate. This will be my 2nd show.
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This is a funny thread. The instant I read it I knew everyone would be talking about gear. Well, for the inexperienced person in here...90% of you, let's look strictly at all natural competitors who don't juice. You diet for weeks, sometimes months, your body get deprived and you only consume certain things. After your show, when you can eat what you want, even for a week, your body will suck up every single drop of what you eat, and its not uncommon to see even natural competitors put on like 30 pounds in a short period of time. I have seen women compete at 130 and within a month after their show weigh in the neighborhood of 165 - 170. This is extreme but it happens.
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I havent't read all the other posts (laziness) but there are several factors that are responsible:
*for every gram of glycogen to be stored in the muscles, your body needs 2,7 gram of water, so for gor every gram of glycogen stored, you will gain 3.7 grams of weight. If you have lots of muscle mass, you can stores lots of glycogen, ergo big weight increases.
*besides the glycogen theory, some BB drugs make you bloat like there's no tomorrow because of test/estrogen ratio shifts (experts can explain this better than me, so feel free to do so)
*water is easily lost on a low carb diet (for reason see #1 again) and fat can be lost if you doing your cardio for 2 hours everyday (pros have plenty of time to do so, since most do not have 'normal' jobs)
*those substances they use are crazy (thyroid hormones, clen etc.) and not your ECA stack form the gas station
*good genetics, which most of us do not have
These point are some from the top of my head...there are more
Peace
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Clen, Cytomel and T-3 are very potent fat burners....take these or any combo and watch your BF drop in no time....
Lets face it...how long can you really go without Pizza, Ice Cream Hot Dogs and Hamburgers?
I would love to see a mandate in IFBB contracts that says something like,
"You will stay within 15-20lbs of your compeition weight"....
I think alot of BBers still have the mentality of......more fat on the body allows more weight to be thrown around which in turn will build more muscle....
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Clen, Cytomel and T-3 are very potent fat burners....take these or any combo and watch your BF drop in no time....
Lets face it...how long can you really go without Pizza, Ice Cream Hot Dogs and Hamburgers?
I would love to see a mandate in IFBB contracts that says something like,
"You will stay within 15-20lbs of your compeition weight"....
I think alot of BBers still have the mentality of......more fat on the body allows more weight to be thrown around which in turn will build more muscle....
The only practical mandate I see is to change the whole contest schedule format and have the pros compete in one show per month for like 4 mos in a row. Most under the present system of extreme prep measures would find this insane , BUT it would change the sport as we know it.
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While I don't care to see a pro guest pose, in horrible "off season" ie FAT shape, it amazes me how they can get so ripped come show time, aprox 16 weeks later. Plus, they seem to fade fairly quickly as well.
I have been in/around the sport for years and did lots of shows over the years. Granted, I am no pro but it takes me a lot longer to get ripped if I let myself go then what I see most pros need. On the other side, once I am in top shape, I can stay close to it for weeks, as long as my diet stays good.
How do they change so damn fast??????
Howard
you know the answer..damn howard you be a physics dood...
anyhow
why??\
cause contest shape = all drugs....otherwise it'd take longer than 3 months (eh.... Lee.... eh!)
* Sohail....remember the name?.if ya actually contradict me here Lee
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The old school pros like Robby, Boyer, et al didn't blow up by 30 or 40 pounds in the offseason. They stayed in fairly good shape year round, not extreme contest shape, but neither did they pork out like pigs. In fact as has been mentioned before, they often "grew into" their contest condition instead of the other way around.
I'm no contest guru but I can guarantee you those dramatic weight gains and losses are murder on the body (especially when they happen once or more per year) and they will take their toll over time!
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REBOUND!
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The only practical mandate I see is to change the whole contest schedule format and have the pros compete in one show per month for like 4 mos in a row. Most under the present system of extreme prep measures would find this insane , BUT it would change the sport as we know it.
I think you and I are pretty much on the same page except...
Most Pros are getting smarter where they are not using gear all year long, rather 3-6 months prior to a show.
If you forced them to compete more often then they would have to stay on AAS longer thus possibly causing more damage to their bodies then need be.
Heck if a Pro is able to qualify for the Olympia at the Ironman in Feb and not have to compete again till Oct/Nov I am all for it but again, keep yourself in manageable shape.
Personally I would rather see an in shape Darrem Charles than an out of shape Ronnie or Jay guest posing at a local show. That's just me tho-
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I will agree with others on here the amount of mass you have and chemical assistance greatly affects how much you can eat and still remain relatively lean. I have a "friend" who for a 12 week period experimented with 1gram of test a week, 50 mg of anadrol a day, 150 mg of winstrol of week and 400 mg of deca a week. In addition, this "friend" used Xyendrene 2 days on, 1 day off (this was the original formula not the watered down one). This "friend" followed your normal 50-30-20 diet and then threw in 2 additional junk meals everyother day to assist with more calories. The results: 20 lbs increase in bodyweight, 5lbs drop in bodyfat, 15 rep sets with 500 in the squat, 150 lb shoulder press for 6 reps, 405 incline barbell for 4 reps. These kind of results will never happen for a natural but, I think you could get maybe 10% of this results. In order to eat the amount of calories to gain mass naturally you either have to be ok with getting a little chunky or you must add some cardio to help with the metabolism. Use lots of desicated liver tabs as well.
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you need to get up in weight/size as high as you can get! that can only be done if you eat everything in site and make sure it is high in protien too. if you go and play the sodium game,,if you go and play the zero sugar game,,,if you go and play any game when you try to grow you WILL NOT GROW. yes your physiqe will always get compliements of how great it is and how nice it is but growing? um no.
with out hormones you will be stuck at 5'7 ~ 160lb of lean mean meat
with hormones you will be stuck at 5'7 ~ 190 lb of buffed up lean/bloated muscle.
eating clean is not going to make you grow and i dont care who you are. as i said before you need to EAT inorder to grow. you need to eat everything and make sure that with the poundage added also comes muscle growth (200lb~18 inch arms,,220lb~19-20incharms,,etc etc) if muscle growth dont come then you do something wrong! most likley training!
if you have 250+ lb on you of muscle that was gained with hard work in the gym (hard correct work!), with enough calories eaten (basically all you can eat to a point kinda diet) , and with the use of bulking hormones doing cycles...if you have those 250lb it will feel and also look like a piece of cake dieting while applying the right cutting hormones! why? because you have enough lean muscle mass! because your 50lb loss down to 200lb wont make you the thin little boney thing you used to be...but will transform you to the 200lb ripped muscle machine under those 250lb of muscle/water/fat combo.
it is very fun to diet down knowing you are huge! you just add in the hormones, cardio and get the crappy food out of your way and make it clean for 14-16 weeks and this is where it HAS TO BE CLEAN!
the problem comes when a pro uses meth at his size in order to get even more dry and even more cut and even more ripped inaddition to all of the drugs taken. see problem start when the rec drugs are being used for bodybuilding purposes and they are used in quite few cases now days that i wont talk about here. it is OK to use CLENBUTEROL-CYTOMEL,, DNP but IT IS NOT OK TO USE METH! in the last case,,those pros fuck their physiqe and never win a show but this is an example of taking the in and out contest shape to a new stupid level.
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you need to get up in weight/size as high as you can get! that can only be done if you eat everything in site and make sure it is high in protien too. if you go and play the sodium game,,if you go and play the zero sugar game,,,if you go and play any game when you try to grow you WILL NOT GROW. yes your physiqe will always get compliements of how great it is and how nice it is but growing? um no.
with out hormones you will be stuck at 5'7 ~ 160lb of lean mean meat
with hormones you will be stuck at 5'7 ~ 190 lb of buffed up lean/bloated muscle.
eating clean is not going to make you grow and i dont care who you are. as i said before you need to EAT inorder to grow. you need to eat everything and make sure that with the poundage added also comes muscle growth (200lb~18 inch arms,,220lb~19-20incharms,,etc etc) if muscle growth dont come then you do something wrong! most likley training!
if you have 250+ lb on you of muscle that was gained with hard work in the gym (hard correct work!), with enough calories eaten (basically all you can eat to a point kinda diet) , and with the use of bulking hormones doing cycles...if you have those 250lb it will feel and also look like a piece of cake dieting while applying the right cutting hormones! why? because you have enough lean muscle mass! because your 50lb loss down to 200lb wont make you the thin little boney thing you used to be...but will transform you to the 200lb ripped muscle machine under those 250lb of muscle/water/fat combo.
it is very fun to diet down knowing you are huge! you just add in the hormones, cardio and get the crappy food out of your way and make it clean for 14-16 weeks and this is where it HAS TO BE CLEAN!
the problem comes when a pro uses meth at his size in order to get even more dry and even more cut and even more ripped inaddition to all of the drugs taken. see problem start when the rec drugs are being used for bodybuilding purposes and they are used in quite few cases now days that i wont talk about here. it is OK to use CLENBUTEROL-CYTOMEL,, DNP but IT IS NOT OK TO USE METH! in the last case,,those pros f**k their physiqe and never win a show but this is an example of taking the in and out contest shape to a new stupid level.
hahaha, "lean, mean meat", i like this guy. ;D
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I´ve gotten to contest shape in 8 weeks once, i´ll never do that again! I was quite fat when I started, around 15% bf and had to do 3 hours of cardio and 1,5 h gymwork each day. Looked like CRAP 2 weeks out, but was good enough to place 3.rd at contest time. I did diuretics for that one too, which I normally don´t. Diuretics play a huge part in contest prep for most pros and can account for some wacky weightloss and weightgains.
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howard, u should run you mouth on the PDI network ..southern drawl and all. u bring things to the table or are you just the waiter? :)
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you need to get up in weight/size as high as you can get! that can only be done if you eat everything in site and make sure it is high in protien too. if you go and play the sodium game,,if you go and play the zero sugar game,,,if you go and play any game when you try to grow you WILL NOT GROW. yes your physiqe will always get compliements of how great it is and how nice it is but growing? um no.
with out hormones you will be stuck at 5'7 ~ 160lb of lean mean meat
with hormones you will be stuck at 5'7 ~ 190 lb of buffed up lean/bloated muscle.
eating clean is not going to make you grow and i dont care who you are. as i said before you need to EAT inorder to grow. you need to eat everything and make sure that with the poundage added also comes muscle growth (200lb~18 inch arms,,220lb~19-20incharms,,etc etc) if muscle growth dont come then you do something wrong! most likley training!
if you have 250+ lb on you of muscle that was gained with hard work in the gym (hard correct work!), with enough calories eaten (basically all you can eat to a point kinda diet) , and with the use of bulking hormones doing cycles...if you have those 250lb it will feel and also look like a piece of cake dieting while applying the right cutting hormones! why? because you have enough lean muscle mass! because your 50lb loss down to 200lb wont make you the thin little boney thing you used to be...but will transform you to the 200lb ripped muscle machine under those 250lb of muscle/water/fat combo.
it is very fun to diet down knowing you are huge! you just add in the hormones, cardio and get the crappy food out of your way and make it clean for 14-16 weeks and this is where it HAS TO BE CLEAN!
the problem comes when a pro uses meth at his size in order to get even more dry and even more cut and even more ripped inaddition to all of the drugs taken. see problem start when the rec drugs are being used for bodybuilding purposes and they are used in quite few cases now days that i wont talk about here. it is OK to use CLENBUTEROL-CYTOMEL,, DNP but IT IS NOT OK TO USE METH! in the last case,,those pros f**k their physiqe and never win a show but this is an example of taking the in and out contest shape to a new stupid level.
This guy is spot on with his advice......very good post!!
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you need to get up in weight/size as high as you can get! that can only be done if you eat everything in site and make sure it is high in protien too. if you go and play the sodium game,,if you go and play the zero sugar game,,,if you go and play any game when you try to grow you WILL NOT GROW. yes your physiqe will always get compliements of how great it is and how nice it is but growing? um no.
with out hormones you will be stuck at 5'7 ~ 160lb of lean mean meat
with hormones you will be stuck at 5'7 ~ 190 lb of buffed up lean/bloated muscle.
eating clean is not going to make you grow and i dont care who you are. as i said before you need to EAT inorder to grow. you need to eat everything and make sure that with the poundage added also comes muscle growth (200lb~18 inch arms,,220lb~19-20incharms,,etc etc) if muscle growth dont come then you do something wrong! most likley training!
if you have 250+ lb on you of muscle that was gained with hard work in the gym (hard correct work!), with enough calories eaten (basically all you can eat to a point kinda diet) , and with the use of bulking hormones doing cycles...if you have those 250lb it will feel and also look like a piece of cake dieting while applying the right cutting hormones! why? because you have enough lean muscle mass! because your 50lb loss down to 200lb wont make you the thin little boney thing you used to be...but will transform you to the 200lb ripped muscle machine under those 250lb of muscle/water/fat combo.
it is very fun to diet down knowing you are huge! you just add in the hormones, cardio and get the crappy food out of your way and make it clean for 14-16 weeks and this is where it HAS TO BE CLEAN!
the problem comes when a pro uses meth at his size in order to get even more dry and even more cut and even more ripped inaddition to all of the drugs taken. see problem start when the rec drugs are being used for bodybuilding purposes and they are used in quite few cases now days that i wont talk about here. it is OK to use CLENBUTEROL-CYTOMEL,, DNP but IT IS NOT OK TO USE METH! in the last case,,those pros f**k their physiqe and never win a show but this is an example of taking the in and out contest shape to a new stupid level.
So are you saying you to eat a clean meal (ex. brown rice and chicken), and also some junk at the same time? Or just mix the "dirty" calories in between the clean meals?
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So are you saying you to eat a clean meal (ex. brown rice and chicken), and also some junk at the same time? Or just mix the "dirty" calories in between the clean meals?
If going for size, yes. If cutting, stay clean and refeed once a week.
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Why would you ask how they quickly get out of shape? The PIG-OUTS are a natural reaction and are entirely understandable after starving a huge physique to unnatural levels.
The advantages of staying in great shape year-round are minimal vs. enjoying some down time and being human again.