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I know you like Jay Cutler a lot, after watching all of his videos you have claimed how great of a bodybuilder he is regarding his training and work ethic. Well, what is your opinion on Coleman? Surely he trains with just as much if not more intensity than Jay... who/why do you think is the better bodybuilder?
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I know you like Jay Cutler a lot, after watching all of his videos you have claimed how great of a bodybuilder he is regarding his training and work ethic. Well, what is your opinion on Coleman? Surely he trains with just as much if not more intensity than Jay... who/why do you think is the better bodybuilder?
I am convinced Ronnie is insane. I admire Jay's work ethic and dedication immensely, but, I am not sure if his brain is broken to the point of Ronnie's (all meant in a good way). I have never seen another human being work like Ronnie in the gym, although I haven't seen any of Jay's vids. Maybe he is nutty too.
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any one could do what jay does with the amount of weight he uses
of course proportioned to his body weight
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Well, this was not directed to me but that is a pretty subjective question. I don't think anyone could claim one is better than the other.
Yea I guess i explained that the wrong way. I just knew he liked Jay a lot, but wanted his opinion on Coleman.
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first of all i have both the Unbelievable and Cost of Redemption and i watch them on a regular basis but Cutler's approach to the sport impresses me more, Ronnie is a mutant for sure but i think Jay trains just as hard when you consider the volume, rest between sets and with the exception of deadlifts and squats Jay is really just about as strong as Ronnie on the other stuff, i'm just tremendously impressed with Jay.
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first of all i have both the Unbelievable and Cost of Redemption and i watch them on a regular basis but Cutler's approach to the sport impresses me more, Ronnie is a mutant for sure but i think Jay trains just as hard when you consider the volume, rest between sets and with the exception of deadlifts and squats Jay is really just about as strong as Ronnie on the other stuff, i'm just tremendously impressed with Jay.
Jay is far weaker than Ronnie. Jay struggles with 405 * 6 on the bench ::)
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Jay is far weaker than Ronnie. Jay struggles with 405 * 6 on the bench ::)
not really, i'll bet Jay at 295-300 can bench 455 for 5 or 6 and Ronnie only does 495 for a very hard 5 on COR where he is 315 so they're not that far apart on pressing movements.
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not really, i'll bet Jay at 295-300 can bench 455 for 5 or 6 and Ronnie only does 495 for a very hard 5 on COR where he is 315 so they're not that far apart on pressing movements.
this is accurate from what i've seen...
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i'm just tremendously impressed with Jay.
Similar personalities.
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not really, i'll bet Jay at 295-300 can bench 455 for 5 or 6 and Ronnie only does 495 for a very hard 5 on COR where he is 315 so they're not that far apart on pressing movements.
That's a pretty big difference. Not to mention how much Jay struggles with 405 :-\
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Yeah i agree with sarcasm. The volume on Jays workouts are insane. I tried the leg routine he did in New improved and beyond (couldn't finish it). He must be on something to do all that shit.
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That's a pretty big difference. Not to mention how much Jay struggles with 405 :-\
that's not a big difference only 40 pounds and i'll gaurantee that Jay does not "struggle" with 405 on flat benches offseason, there isn't a human being on earth who thinks 405 is light on flat benches, Jay inclined 405 for 4 on New, Improved and Beyond and that was filmed in 2003, are you saying that 3 years later that he struggles with the same weight on the flat bench?
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that's not a big difference only 40 pounds and i'll gaurantee that Jay does not "struggle" with 405 on flat benches offseason, there isn't a human being on earth who thinks 405 is light on flat benches, Jay inclined 405 for 4 on New, Improved and Beyond and that was filmed in 2003, are you saying that 3 years later that he struggles with the same weight on the flat bench?
Yes, he struggles. He tries to hide it but the strain on his face is visible. The man's obviously hurting :-\
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It's not about comparative strength, it's about a BB's intensity.
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Yes, he struggles. He tries to hide it but the strain on his face is visible. The man's obviously hurting :-\
where have you seen this? have you ever tried to flat bench 405? i'm doing 385 right now and it feels like a damn truck is in your hands and that's only for a very, very hard single.
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where have you seen this? have you ever tried to flat bench 405? i'm doing 385 right now and it feels like a damn truck is in your hands and that's only for a very, very hard single.
Then you are admitting that he struggles. It must be hard for you to type while bench pressing ::)
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hahahahha
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hahahahha
I think sarcasm just lost some credibility ;D That is, if he had any left to lose ;D
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I believe Jay is far stronger than you see in that dvd. Jay trains smart. he could press 450 plus for reps at his offseason largest...
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Then you are admitting that he struggles. It must be hard for you to type while bench pressing ::)
i didn't mean right as i was typing that post i meant currently.
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Jay Cutler from what I've seen is a big fan of the machines and isn't that strong on pressing movements.. I mean he does 130s for shoulder dumbell press and barely 405 for chest. But he is a big guy none the less and is a worthy competitor.
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Jay Cutler from what I've seen is a big fan of the machines and isn't that strong on pressing movements.. I mean he does 130s for shoulder dumbell press and barely 405 for chest. But he is a big guy none the less and is a worthy competitor.
If done "correctly" the bench can be a tricky exercise. It could be Jay's technique isn't what one would call ideal for benching? In order to get over 405 I had to learn the bench wasn't just about strength, but, strength, coordination, and keeping your head in a very small space (concentrate like hell).
I am not what I would consider to be a big guy, but I am good at benching and there is A LOT quite a few people don't know about the lift that can definetly set the educated people from those who haven't looked into it as much.
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Jay Cutler from what I've seen is a big fan of the machines and isn't that strong on pressing movements.. I mean he does 130s for shoulder dumbell press and barely 405 for chest. But he is a big guy none the less and is a worthy competitor.
130's isn't strong for seated db presses, damn you must be a beast. ::)
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130's isn't strong for seated db presses, damn you must be a beast. ::)
Thanks. :)
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130's isn't strong for seated db presses, damn you must be a beast. ::)
All joking aside, I bet we all know some people that are better at pressing than others. Alexxx does have a point in that maybe Jay is better at pulling or with his legs or something like that. I can push like hell, but get buried in the dead comparatively. However, as mentioned above, Jay looks amazing regardless of the weight he is pushing.
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Yeah I noticed that since I switched back to volume my weights have dropped drastically! But shape is coming back. :)
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All joking aside, I bet we all know some people that are better at pressing than others. Alexxx does have a point in that maybe Jay is better at pulling or with his legs or something like that. I can push like hell, but get buried in the dead comparatively. However, as mentioned above, Jay looks amazing regardless of the weight he is pushing.
i don't know what gyms you guys train at but in every gym i've ever been in someone shoulder pressing the 130's for full range reps makes people stop and stare.
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i don't know what gyms you guys train at but in every gym i've ever been in someone shoulder pressing the 130's for full range reps makes people stop and stare.
I did the 100s so its not so far off but people stare at me in everygym. :)
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i don't know what gyms you guys train at but in every gym i've ever been in someone shoulder pressing the 130's for full range reps makes people stop and stare.
No I didn't mean it was light, just that sometimes some guys are really good at some exercises and then relatively less so in others. You are right, 130 on the db press is great, but maybe the same guy can't handle an equally impressive weight with another exercise. That is all I was getting at. I hope I was more clear this time.
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Hey is it just me in Jay's vid a cut above the nostrils.. he is doing bench presses for triceps the way people do it for chest.. he does wide grip bench presses for triceps.. and it was pretty light too..
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I did the 100s so its not so far off but people stare at me in everygym. :)
first of all there ain't no fuckin' way you pressed the 100's with those tiny underdeveloped shoulders of yours if you did someone probably mistakingly put 100 on the 50's and second of all 130's are in a completely different world than the 100's especially when you're at your max.
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first of all there ain't no fuckin' way you pressed the 100's with those tiny underdeveloped shoulders of yours if you did someone probably mistakingly put 100 on the 50's and second of all 130's are in a completely different world than the 100's especially when you're at your max.
I remember seing these juiced guys doing incline dumbell presses with the 120s when I was doing the 50s my fist year of training. Now I can do it all bymyself naturally and feel like a champion. I mean even Chris Cook with all the juice in the world couldn't get pass the 120s.. hahaha I am a beast!
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Ronnie could probably bench 550 and deadlift in the low 800's. He also does 650 lb t-bar rows and 500 lb bent over rows. Jay doesn't even come close to those numbers.
Anyone with a 500 bench should have no trouble with 405. I saw a guy at my old gym bang out 5 reps with 405, and he missed 455.
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Ronnie could probably bench 550 and deadlift in the low 800's. He also does 650 lb t-bar rows and 500 lb bent over rows. Jay doesn't even come close to those numbers.
Anyone with a 500 bench should have no trouble with 405. I saw a guy at my old gym bang out 5 reps with 405, and he missed 455.
for once i agree with you it seems like the higher you get with the weight the harder it gets but if you're benching 500 then 405 for 7 or 8 shouldn't be a problem, you also have to look at the way Ronnie did his rows in TU he was standing at 70 degrees as opposed to the way Jay did 405 for 5 on NIAB he was almost parallel to the ground.
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Jay Cutler from what I've seen is a big fan of the machines and isn't that strong on pressing movements.. I mean he does 130s for shoulder dumbell press and barely 405 for chest. But he is a big guy none the less and is a worthy competitor.
He trains smart. He doest go for max weight. Can you count reps? He reps even the heaviest, last set he does. The entire training dvd he specifies how he focuses on every rep- to stimulate the muscle as much as possible..not just blasting a ton of weight from point A to point B thats not bodybuilding..thats powerlifting..
Jay Is a strong, strong guy...Barely 405? HAHAHA..On one step closer, he did flat bench like 3 movements into chest, and abused 315 like it was nothing..he wasnt even fresh..
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Who gives a fuck ? It`s bb not powerlifting.
Besides both a very strong, strong enough for a bodybulder
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first of all there ain't no fuckin' way you pressed the 100's with those tiny underdeveloped shoulders of yours if you did someone probably mistakingly put 100 on the 50's and second of all 130's are in a completely different world than the 100's especially when you're at your max.
Haha same as i thought, he couldn't roll 100 with such a tiny fragile frame.
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alex i've only seen a couple guys get up over 120 on DB shoulder presses with a full ROM and I can get the 100's for ten full reps(and i'm talkin bout damn near tearing a muscle) there ain't no way hell you can rep them out.
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Haha, give the kids Alexxx and Sarcasm their day in the sun. Unless they get off the boards and actually focus on bodybuilding (both the science and application of it), they will perpetually be grains in the sand. There is a very sound reason why champs like Jay avoid hogging the forums all day and out-of-shape chumps populate GetBig 24/7.
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Haha, give the kids Alexxx and Sarcasm their day in the sun. Unless they get off the boards and actually focus on bodybuilding (both the science and application of it), they will perpetually be grains in the sand. There is a very sound reason why champs like Jay avoid hogging the forums all day and out-of-shape chumps populate GetBig 24/7.
hahaha, ok, "goldenprince" ::) you sound like an absolute beast with a name like that.
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Haha such a cheesy name "golden prince" oh brother what a fucking name.
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i didn't mean right as i was typing that post i meant currently.
That's not what you wrote, now is it? ;D Just admit that Jay is actually pretty weak for his size. He has "balloon muscles".
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ronnie coleman.....
and kevin levrone...
chris cormier...sometimes
are the only bbs that... that are strong.... to justify their size..
jay is..
a-ight..
nothing special.. about his trainin.....
jay has never... used any poundage tht has wowed me...
like kevin 500 benh press.. or coleman...200lb for 12....
coleman 800lb dead.. or coleman 160 db shoulder press...
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ronnie coleman.....
and kevin levrone...
chris cormier...sometimes
are the only bbs that... that are strong.... to justify their size..
jay is..
a-ight..
nothing special.. about his trainin.....
jay has never... used any poundage tht has wowed me...
like kevin 500 benh press.. or coleman...200lb for 12....
coleman 800lb dead.. or coleman 160 db shoulder press...
i guess 140lb. db seated shoulder presses for 7 reps, 405 inclines for 5, 405 bb rows for 5, deep 8 plate hack squats and 9 plate t bars for 6 don't impress you because you're so much stronger right Meso, hahahaha, it's awfully convenient that the bb'ers you mentioned are all black. ::)
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mmmm
sarcasm dont even... go with the whole black.... white thing....
i love all people....
is kevin levrone black..?
be trutheful does jay outlift any of the guys i mentioned...
no... it has nothing to do with black or white just truth
those pondages you mentioned while they are strong... arent impressive for someone of jays size...
plus im not a weak guy either....so im not easily impressed...
405 barbell rows ????
9 plate tbar rows?
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fella i tbar row in the corner coleman style 7 plates 10 reps...
8 plates 6 reps...
and this is after deadlifts... and weighted chins and barbell rows...
and im 195..
coleman t bar rows 12 plates...
in and article in a flex gone by he was tbar rowing and the handle gve way before he finished the set thats gangster....
dont get it twisted... i respect jay to the utmost...
he is definetly no 2 in the world.. his posing on bfto 2004 was crazy.... he is wide... as hell....
great bb
humble guy....
very focused...
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mmmm
sarcasm dont even... go with the whole black.... white thing....
i love all people....
is kevin levrone black..?
Yes, Kevin is black.
Hope that helps. ;)
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I don't think anyone could claim one is better than the other.
Several IFBB judges inform you who is better in the fall of every year.
Hope this helps. ;)
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Yes, Kevin is black.
Hope that helps. ;)
kevin is gawjus and getting his education now
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kevin is half black...
half white...
not black
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kevin is half black...
half white...
not black
That makes you black in "Amereeka", bro. Most blacks in America have white ancestors in their family tree.
Hope this helps. ;)
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for once i agree with you it seems like the higher you get with the weight the harder it gets but if you're benching 500 then 405 for 7 or 8 shouldn't be a problem, you also have to look at the way Ronnie did his rows in TU he was standing at 70 degrees as opposed to the way Jay did 405 for 5 on NIAB he was almost parallel to the ground.
Very true ! at the begining of his new dvd when ronnie does barbell rows, he didn't bend over really far. You can take way more heavy that way.
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hahaha, ok, "goldenprince" ::) you sound like an absolute beast with a name like that.
Hahaha, whatever you say, True Anus/Chicken Farmer/Turd Face. ::) Still having fun with your multiple accounts, kiddo?
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Haha such a cheesy name "golden prince" oh brother what a fucking name.
Hahaha, ok "mars"; oh brother, where do these puny little flies keep popping out from?