Standing by for the press release. It's amazing that a few months back idiots were saying that the PDI would never come about. Where the haters at now???
The biggest name hasn't come out yet, but when it does, people are going to be floored. In retrospect, people will say 'yeah, that makes a lot of sense'. But in the short term, doubters who love the IFBB monopoly will keep being vocal.240, are you suggesting jay cutler is going PDI?
240, are you suggesting jay cutler is going PDI?
No. Jay is still in love with the O dream. I'm talking about a man who has been wronged by the IFBB. No more clues now! lol... I can't confirm, but I hear things. Bottom line, more names are going each month, and the BIG ONE will be near the end of the list, but when he goes, there will be a pretty big 'holy shit' from the world of BBing.
240, are you trying to say Rusty Jeffers is coming over?
They'll get quieter, then apply for jobs with Wayne and contact PDI athletes to shoot them. They pledge their allegience to their employer, but only a dependent personality would do this anyway. Who would swear they'd never work for the competitor, when their employer is paying them peanuts? It's because they don't feel their skillset is good enough, or they're trying to suck up to the bosses. Imagine working at McD and getting on TV, bashing burger king, saying you'd never work there. Or worse, bashing the new Olive Garden that's moving into town. Why? It's opportunities galore. but, they like to suck up to their McManagers.
The biggest name hasn't come out yet, but when it does, people are going to be floored. In retrospect, people will say 'yeah, that makes a lot of sense'. But in the short term, doubters who love the IFBB monopoly will keep being vocal.
Could you name these employees?
Where are the pledges of allegiance here?
And if you decide to quote someone from here, please don't lie, like last time.
Could you name these employees?
Where are the pledges of allegiance here?
What lie did I tell last time? Even those that hate me will tell you, I'm pretty honest.
And horton, I'm a prick, an instigator, and an idiot sometimes, but a LIAR, I am not.
Now what about naming the employees?
The one person who does show his allegiance to any organisation is you. You are always defending and promoting it. Even when people ask legititmate questions about it like why the lie about the arrangement with he hospital you ignore it, yet you're quick to junp all over the IFBB over a banking error.
Why aren't you questioning the lack of sponsors or demanding to see their financial records?
Because you're Wayne's little lacky, and it's enabled you to make a few more websites.
If you want to prove you didn't make those posts, why don't you contact AOL and find out who did?
I will say it again- I paraphrased what you said, after you made the lovely quote that Wayne will tell me to 'roll over'. You made a sexual lackey remark, and I did the same.
And I would be happy to put $5,000 on the table and take a polygraphs saying I didn't make those posts and have no clue who did. Wanna put up 5 g's if you don't believe me?
I said before your excuse is pathetic. You are a liar and that's all there is to it.
There is no need to go to the trouble of a polygraph test. An accomplished liar like yourself could easily pass a polugraph anyway.
Just get in touch with AOL explain the situation and they would be quite happy to reveal who made such heinous posts.
A "pass" on a polygraph proves nothing. If you fail one, the police charge you. If you pass one, the police don't accept you as innocent.
Wow, I got under your skin tonight, Horton. name calling, wow.
I am paid to build sites. I was contacted by several PDI guys to build their sites. I did that. I was asked to build the radio site. I did that.
My talking about the PDI here- that is MY OWN doing- and they'll all tell you that. Why? I am tired of the IFBB's crooked stranglehold on the sport. The more federations, the more money, the more equity, and the better the athletes will do. Sport grows, I get more website clients, and the fans have a better sport to watch. They won't be forced to see Big Ron win Sandow #15 just because 2 crazy old men love a legacy.
I don't care about the internal financials of the PDI- I don't care if DeMilianaire pays for everything himself. All I care about is more shows and more money for athletes. Same with the fact I do't care about the IFBB's internal monetary operations- only when a show gets cancelled or guys don't get paid- and even then, I usually talk about the individual.
Exposing you as a liar is not name calling.
As an emplyee of the PDI I can understand why you refuse to question it. You rely so heavily on their money that you can't afford not to. They must account for a high percentage of your income. There's nothing wrong in you admitting that.
How much of what you say here is your won words and how much is copied an pasted from e-mails Wayne sends you?
I admire your concerns that the athletes should be paid. As the first show on the PDI callendar is being run by a promoter with a history of not paying them, can you tell me why you haven't voiced any concerns here about that. especially as you were very vocal recently about the Denver show. That was clearly shown to be a banking error, yet you were all over that like a rash?
Dude, you can cash in your Weider 401k (they have those?), pay for ten independent polygraphers- retired FBI, CIA, KGB, I don't give a rat's ass. I will pass every one with flying colors, cause I didn't write that racist garbage. And everyone here knows it.
BOTTOM LINE:
You are bashing the PDI- something that will deliver TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS to the athletes. Why?
Kevin Horton, WHY don't you want pro BBers to be able to earn more money?
As an emplyee of the PDI I can understand why you refuse to question it. You rely so heavily on their money that you can't afford not to. They must account for a high percentage of your income. There's nothing wrong in you admitting that.
I've never "bashed" the PDI. I questioned whether it could succeed based on it's past history and the falling interest in competetive bodybuilding. We've already seen one show cancelled due to lack of sponsorship and fan interest. Once again you jumped all over that by bashing the IFBB and complaining that athletes had been let down. Your recent poster for the NOC revelled a severe lack of sponsors, yet you were happy to pareade it without your usual diatribe?
I've stated several times that I'd love to see the bodybuilders making more money. Why would I not want that, a lot of them are friends? Unlike you,
But any MBA will tell you that without demand there can be no supply. Unlike you, I do attend shows and attendancies have been falling over the years. If the fans aren't flocking to the shows now, why will they rush out to thr PDI onses? That's not bashing is it?
Unlike you I don't take money from the athletes pockets. I do understand that you have to. Each to their own.
Unlike you I don't take money from the athletes pockets. I do understand that you have to. Each to their own.
Kev, step back and think.
With all the history you know- do you REALLY think Wayne would let his frist show's athletes go unpaid? Do you REALLY think he'd sabotage his own division by not paying guys? And it's an amateur show. What kind of pay do those guys get? Um... ;)
The world is watching for him to fail. If there are cracks in the armor, guys will make a lot of noise. But you guys can't find them yet. If Wayne's PDI- a private company- chooses not to disclose their finances four months BEFORE an event- you're pissed? Tell me, have you seen Microsoft's Dec 2006 financial records yet? NO? HOly crap! Let's write a letter! How dare they not disclose corporate info for events that are 120 days away? Those bastards!
Dude, you're melting thanks to whatever beef you have with Wayne. I do not paste his words here- everyhting I say is my own. I don't talk specifics about promoting like Keith, or about past shows like Wayne does. I focus on future growth.
Unlike you I don't take money from the athletes pockets. I do understand that you have to. Each to their own.
I asked why you're not questioning the fact that the first show is being run by a promoter with a history of NOT paying athletes.
I've yet to experience a meltdown but as you have, what's it like?
No. Jay is still in love with the O dream. I'm talking about a man who has been wronged by the IFBB. No more clues now! lol... I can't confirm, but I hear things. Bottom line, more names are going each month, and the BIG ONE will be near the end of the list, but when he goes, there will be a pretty big 'holy shit' from the world of BBing.
Poster came from MD, Keveypoo.
And the demand IS there. The supply of an acceptable product HASN'T been there. Take a step back. A swollen gut 8-time champ is not marketable or fun for fans. A 300-pound distended gut is not cool or worth a ticket. Do you really think Ronnie will ever star in a movie of Pumping Iron caliber to revitalize a
sagging fanbase?
No. ANd there is no interest to, on the part of the IFBB. They're letting the sport die. Mark my words- O will suck this year. No PPV, poor production, and lots of cut corners. Next year, it'll be the VyoO or the BSN O, and it'll be just another contest. You knew that already, right?
ell me how I have taken money from Rhino's pocket.
As for the PPV I'm glad it's gone. Waste of money.
Did you charge him for the site?
I've never charged.
Well, Kevin, I did meltdown when some prick posted my wife's info on the web. Wouldn't you? Any man with respoect for his wife would do the same to protect her.
Either you don't know the joy of marriage, or you don't repect your wife enough to do anything to protect her. Either way, I pity you, Kevin.
Amazing how someone with zero experience of the business suddenly knows so much about the demand levels.
wait, are you talking about the Toronto Pro? Cause the IFBB gave him a show this year, didn't require the prize $ up front, and then he cancelled, despite doing it in the last 2 years, right? How come you're not bringing that up?
Which is why you're dependent off the generosity of FLEX to buy your pictures. You HAVE to be a shill. If not, they might buy some other guy's pics.
Of course I charged him for the site. But it's safe to say that he made money in excess of $300 as a result of buying that site, not even considering future opportunities.
What is the first competition on the PDI schedule?
That seems to be the competition and promotor he is referring to.
What is there to this information that Horton supplies about the promotor not being able to pay in the past?
Anyone know about this?
YIP
Zack
I find it interesting when someone can't attack the points of my argument, they attack my lack of 20 years schmoe experience that they're so proud of.
Stick with the debate, chubbs. Why is AMI unloading the O, if it is so super duper? And why cheat teh fans out of a PPV? You might be "glad", but a lot of ppl are not.
The man doing the Orlando PDI show was the Orlando IFBB pro show promoter, and didn't pay Darrem until many months after. It's a pro qualifier, so I'm not too sure there is to be money to change hands. And with teh buzz, the names, and the momentum wayne has generated, I find it pretty hard to believe that anyone will get screwed out of a dime there. WOuld cast a shadow on the NOC much like the Sray check cashing fiasco.
Where's the proof that AMI are unloading the O or anything else for that matter? Most of your posts are filled with wild ccusations but rarley fact.
Did Darrem get paid?
AMI's stock took a beating this year. I cannot deliver proof at this time. But even Bob Chick made it very clear, saying that even if the O does change hands after the 2006 show, everything will remain the same.
Why would the athlete's rep state this? Obviously I have more, but I'm not going to post it. And are you sure that "Most of your posts are filled with wild ccusations but rarley fact"? Sure I'm annoying and wrong about opinion stuff, but when I deliver a story, it's usually pretty accurate.
Did Heath? LOL... how the hell should I know. I am not Darrem and I am not that promoter. I never claimed to know everything about the PDI. You're the one attacking the promoter and every other detail of a show taht is months away.
wait, are you talking about the Toronto Pro? Cause the IFBB gave him a show this year, didn't require the prize $ up front, and then he cancelled, despite doing it in the last 2 years, right? How come you're not bringing that up?
Did Heath? LOL... how the hell should I know. I am not Darrem and I am not that promoter. I never claimed to know everything about the PDI. You're the one attacking the promoter and every other detail of a show taht is months away.
Toronto Pro is just the first IFBB show this year to be cancelled. Their will be moreThe Colorado Pro was far from a success and the competitors will be harder to find next year I promise. As will the sponsors. From what heard the space was very small to what was expected as was the turnout. Sorry but with tightening of budgets and now a new way to use advertising money, the IFBB shows are going to have less and less major sponsors. Ask Lee's sponsor.
The IFBB supporters need to start realizing that sponsors for the past 30+ years have been forced to sponsor ONLY IFBB shows since they were the only player in town. Well now is is another player in town and it appears it is going to make a huge splash in the sponsorship money pool. There are going to be more IFBB shows happening, giving more fans the opportunity to see more shows without haveing to travel across the country or in the mountains.
Shows will be exciting and fun for everyone. The judging will be fair and done by people who really know the industry. The judges Wayne is securing alone will blow your mind. Some of the biggest names ever in BB history and the health & fitness industry will be judges.
You really are going to have to face the facts, the IFBB is going down fast and the PDI will be there to pick up the survivors.
wait, are you talking about the Toronto Pro? Cause the IFBB gave him a show this year, didn't require the prize $ up front, and then he cancelled, despite doing it in the last 2 years, right? How come you're not bringing that up?
Well Phil has posted on here that he has.
But you said "and didn't pay Darrem until many months after". As you didn't say that you assumed the payment had been made I thought I'd ask. Thanks for clearing things up. This was another of your attempts to indicate that you had facts when you don't.
Where have I attacked the promoter or "every other detail of a show taht is months away"
I asked why you - even as an emplyeee - are not concerned that the first show held under the PDI banner is being run by someone who has a history of NOT paying the athletes. Isn't that a little but of a PR blunder?
LOL, ok "onlyme", an entire international sporting body that has lasted for as long as anybody can remember sinking ship in favour of some unproven new entity that has been "in the works" for at least a couple of years... ::) Oh brother, not another morbidly obese professional hater clamouring for his day in the sun...
What lie did I tell last time? Even those that hate me will tell you, I'm pretty honest.
Toronto Pro is just the first IFBB show this year to be cancelled. Their will be moreThe Colorado Pro was far from a success and the competitors will be harder to find next year I promise. As will the sponsors. From what heard the space was very small to what was expected as was the turnout. Sorry but with tightening of budgets and now a new way to use advertising money, the IFBB shows are going to have less and less major sponsors. Ask Lee's sponsor.
The IFBB supporters need to start realizing that sponsors for the past 30+ years have been forced to sponsor ONLY IFBB shows since they were the only player in town. Well now is is another player in town and it appears it is going to make a huge splash in the sponsorship money pool. There are going to be more IFBB shows happening, giving more fans the opportunity to see more shows without haveing to travel across the country or in the mountains.
Shows will be exciting and fun for everyone. The judging will be fair and done by people who really know the industry. The judges Wayne is securing alone will blow your mind. Some of the biggest names ever in BB history and the health & fitness industry will be judges.
You really are going to have to face the facts, the IFBB is going down fast and the PDI will be there to pick up the survivors.
Um 8 posts and this punk is an expert. I have a funny feeling Golden Girl is a gimmic account to support the IFBB. Sad, sad sad. Oh, I already had my day in the sun. Hehehe something you'll never expericence. No go back to bed
I don't think Phil put on here he got the money. He posted he reposted the check. BIG difference. But, no matter the fact is he got paid 2 weeks after his win. And how about the other 7 or 8 competitors. Did they get paid yet. And so far no one has posted an official copy of the letter from the bank. Only a typed one which I or anyone can do. I just find it hard to believe a few of you support the way the IFBB shows are done. After more than 40 yeas of doing shows you think they would have it down by now. That is why the PDI will bring a fresh twist on the boring and unorganized shows the IFBB sanction.
And why hasn't anyone answered why the Charlotte Pro (and probably all others) had to deposit the prize money into the IFBB account prior to being granted a sanction yet the Colorado Pro did not. Why was this done. So far NO ONE has answered. In fact this question has been erased numerous times already.
Um 8 posts and this punk is an expert. I have a funny feeling Golden Girl is a gimmic account to support the IFBB. Sad, sad sad. Oh, I already had my day in the sun. Hehehe something you'll never expericence. No go back to bed
Hahaha, so bumming around on your laptop all day and caving in to your gluttony instead of actually bodybuilding like us champions and kings makes you an expert now? ::) For someone who has already admitted that he "looks like shit", you are doing an awful lot of talking, fat boy. LOL, you already had your day in the sun all right, a corpulent nobody baiting a legend like Shawn as his sole "calling" in life. Now get down and kiss my feet Porky; that is where your place is, under my rule and yoke forever and ever.
Hahaha, so bumming around on your laptop all day and caving in to your gluttony instead of actually bodybuilding like us champions and kings makes you an expert now? ::) For someone who has already admitted that he "looks like shit", you are doing an awful lot of talking, fat boy. LOL, you already had your day in the sun all right, a corpulent nobody baiting a legend like Shawn as his sole "calling" in life. Now get down and kiss my feet Porky; that is where your place is, under my rule and yoke forever and ever.
Hehehe, maybe the PDI is the only avenue where out-of-shape losers like yourself can secure employment. ;D
LOL, ok "onlyme", an entire international sporting body that has lasted for as long as anybody can remember
first, the pro IFBB is different than the amateur IFBB. but both have really only been around in their current form since 1964. That's when the amateur side actually formed an international contest. And that's when the pro side started having the Olympia. The amateur side seems to be doing ok and will probably survive. The pro side is hardly international, as other than one in Australia and one in Toronto (and not even that one anymore), there hasn't been a show outside the US for a while.
But the fact of the matter is that nothing is constant in business. Businesses come and go all the time. The IFBB is a business, privately held.
Bob Hoffmand and the AAU were the dominate force in bodybuilding from 1940 to the early to mid 1970s. The decline of the AAU and the rise of the IFBB correlates well with the decline in health of Bob Hoffman. Joe Weider has already retired and is out of the picture. We'll have to see whether the pro IFBB survives its founders.
Aah yes, thanks for that Tim; I may be competing in the IFBB Universe (World Amateur Championships) one day myself. That competition alone has seen the nurturing of legends like Robby, Mentzer and even Big Ron.
I'm not sure that Keith is an employee. 240 is.
I stand corrected then. 240 is quite obviously simply a rundown loser but if Keith is not an employee, what is this rotund buffoon's deal then? ??? A bitter failure who could not quite make it in any BB arena?
What has the source of the poster got to do with it?Sorry Kev gotta jump in here. The O will be awful. No PPV? Complete bullshit. I live on the east coast and I am not going to Vegas no time soon and I have ordered the last 3 Os on PPV. I suffered through last years production and watching that jackass drop half a ton on himself. The pathetic challenge round which was the main waste of money on the card. I suffered for 40 bucks. And then I got to see Gustavo "gay for pay" Badell pose around like a monkey and another Ronnie vs Jay classic showdown. We all could use an alternative. Damn how much more could you suck up to the Weiders? 240 is right, two old men just want to see a legacy "UNFOLD". Bullshit.
Amazing how someone with zero experience of the business suddenly knows so much about the demand levels.
As for Pumoping Iron, consider this. Had Arnold not gone on to become a movie superstar, would it be as popular?
The O will continue being a success. Technical problems from last year will be addressed. Biggest prize money available. As for the PPV I'm glad it's gone. Waste of money. Theatre is great. If you don't like the hotel, there are others. Though as you aren't going what concern is it of yours? The Expo will be great.
Whoever is the sponsor next year doesn;t matter, as long as the O's on, athletes are making money.
Sorry Kev gotta jump in here. The O will be awful. No PPV? Complete bullshit. I live on the east coast and I am not going to Vegas no time soon and I have ordered the last 3 Os on PPV. I suffered through last years production and watching that jackass drop half a ton on himself. The pathetic challenge round which was the main waste of money on the card. I suffered for 40 bucks. And then I got to see Gustavo "gay for pay" Badell pose around like a monkey and another Ronnie vs Jay classic showdown. We all could use an alternative. Damn how much more could you suck up to the Weiders? 240 is right, two old men just want to see a legacy "UNFOLD". Bullshit.
LMAO@this unemployed, obese joke of a loser attacking gainfully employed industry professionals. Why do folks even take this attention-seeking buffoon seriously?
Yes, I think 240 is an attention whore and I remember him ripping into me and my business a long time ago as well as today since I'm against the PDI. However I certainly cannot deny his web skills as I've had him design some banners for me which paid off big time when I used them for my Ebay ads.
I just hope he takes my advice on running a business
Yeah, I think we're in agreement. I do respect the business you run, and I do try to learn from you. You are a former client and I"m not attacking your work there. Real life and business are separate
I am, however, going at you for monster allegience to the sinking IFBB ship. And since I think you are just a little bit crazy, I'll be going at your for that too :)
Yeah, I think we're in agreement. I do respect the business you run, and I do try to learn from you. You are a former client and I"m not attacking your work there. Real life and business are separate
I am, however, going at you for monster allegience to the sinking IFBB ship. And since I think you are just a little bit crazy, I'll be going at your for that too :)
Dexter Jackson
Looking at the ad for the PDI's first show it's clear that sponsors are taking less interest in sport.
The IFBB shills love to say the PDI doesn't matter. Then they spend hours of their time trying to convince a bunch of strangers why.
If the PDI was really destined to fail, they'd ignore it. They wouldn't diss Wayne on the radio show. They wouldn't get Mayhem to ban all PDI information. They wouldn't delete my threads about the PDI on BBing.com.
They're scared they'll lsoe the little monopoly they have on the sport. When they do ,the execs will make less money and the athletes will make more. How much $ would a frank mcgrath have made in the IFBB this year? Zero? What are his lifetime IFBB earnings? But in the PDI- a place where the aesthetic guys without guts will get a second look - Frank will make some loot.
So based on your previous experience are you saying you're pleased there's no PPV or not?Whoa Kev. I cant say anything negative about the venue, hotel, or etc because honestly I have never been to Vegas and don't plan on going and thats why I watch PPV. As far as Bob, I agree and disagree with some things he says but I do respect him because I am not a pro bb or do I ever plan on competing. I just lift and supplement.
I agree about the bench press, too risky to try live. The Challenge Rounds have been an attempt make the show more interesting but unfortunatley didn't work out as hoped.
I know the people working behind the scenes at the O are doing everything they can to ensure it's a success for the fans and athletes.
Not sure what you mean about Gustavo's routine but I'll respect your interpretation.
How is the legacy unfolding?
240 complains about the Olympia but he's never been to one just like the majoruty of the complainers on here.
So it got moved from the Mandallay. Good, the place went down hill rapidly over the last few years it was held there and most people who went to the O while it was there, chose to stay elsewhere.
Don't like the Orleans, great, don't stay there. Choose one of the other hotels in the area. There's quite a few I believe?
Now I agree that having the expo in a different venue is a bit awkward but right now there's no alternative. I'd suggest staying at the Hilton so you're close to the Expo then taking a cab ride over to the venue, which is far superior to the Mandallay's.
Or you could do what 240 does and sit at home and watch it on the computer and bitch and moan about production values, Bob's commentary, the IFBB suck, when did the cheques clear, etc etc. while he's on the phone to his boss - Wayne - sucking up.
No. Jay is still in love with the O dream. I'm talking about a man who has been wronged by the IFBB. No more clues now! lol... I can't confirm, but I hear things. Bottom line, more names are going each month, and the BIG ONE will be near the end of the list, but when he goes, there will be a pretty big 'holy shit' from the world of BBing.
That's a very good point.
Ok, we've seen that the PDI wishes to keep secret its list of sponsors...that's fine. I can accept that.
But why hasn't *any* company - other than 300website.com(?) - come forth to announce itself as a 'proud sponsor' of the PDI?
Aah yes, thanks for that Tim; I may be competing in the IFBB Universe (World Amateur Championships) one day myself. That competition alone has seen the nurturing of legends like Robby, Mentzer and even Big Ron.
240 cant figure out why his 'PDI" thread got deleated off the IFBB section of BB.com...lolol
Not a shot at Bob either but the fiasco at the Colorado Pro should be addressed. No matter how you look at it, what happened with the prize money shouldn't have happened if the IFBB handled the situation like they are supposed too. No favortism. If their are rules about the prize money being submitted frist before granting a sanction and it is supported for every promoter, then it should be for EVERY promoter including Sean. He is nothing special in the promotion world. He never even had a show under his belt. Yet he was granted some sort of special treatment and look what happened. It would NOT have happened if he was treated as a promoter and the rules were followed. Why does the IFBB even have rules, they do not abide by them. They are worthless sentances in a weak ledger.i never met anybody who didnt care that their pay check bounced. it's disrespectful, insulting and un-American.
And you should have NOT stepped in, to take up with the promoter and defend him, before defending the people you say you represent. THAT IS A FACT. This shoudl never happen again. And every IFBB show that is scheduled you need to personally verify there are funds there for the competitors, in a separate escrow account. I know one thing as a former professionala athlete I would have been pissed if any check I ever received from playing or competing bounced or not not cashable immediately. And any pro who says they aren't a little disturb that their check didn't go through is lying or scared of what will happen if he does complain.
Bob, no offense, but if you don't want the athletes to have a shot at $150,000 this sept/oct, you're not their rep. PERIOD.WTF is so hard to get Rob? Bob has stated repeatedly he is the IFBB's athlete rep. Why don't you step up and become the PDI athlete's rep? We know you're not an athlete, so no conflict there.
WTF is so hard to get Rob? Bob has stated repeatedly he is the IFBB's athlete rep.
Amusing how it's the same ass ponies who have to turn the tables back on Bob or the IFBB whenever something is brought up about the PDI.
The PDI is going to need more truely legitimate powerhouse pros other than Lee Priest, Gary Strydom, and Vince Taylor.
you know, I don't think they do need guys who have been in the IFBB pros for 10-20 years. People want fresh faces. Look at the reaction to Phil Heath.
Actually, Bob made it clear early on that he represented ALL athletes, and that all the guys came to him for advice. Then, as the PDI gained some more athletes and the beef ensued with Priest, Bob suddenly stopped giving a shit about those men and decided he only represented IFBB guys. But early on, he did state that he represented the interests of ALL BBing pros. You can deny, delete, whatever, but BOb said it veyr early on.Simply a response of annoyance. You're like the little nappy dog that latches onto your pant leg and doesn't let go. You can be nice to it or you can punt it and it still comes back with the same bit of annoyance. It has nothing to do with being nervous and every bit about your continual stream of annoying claims of knowing what's best for this industry.
"Ass ponies"? Wow, LIFT I expected a little more class from you. A nice argument, maybe something witty. But yesterday Horton, and today Isaac, have resorted to crass name-calling. That's not the behavior of unworried industry leaders. That's the behavior we see from nervous men trying to endear themselves with higher-ups.
WTF is so hard to get Rob? Bob has stated repeatedly he is the IFBB's athlete rep. Why don't you step up and become the PDI athlete's rep? We know you're not an athlete, so no conflict there.
Keith why do you care what happens with the IFBB? You've made it clear you're permanently attached to Wayne's sack. Constantly spewing your anti-IFBB hate only solidifies your spot in the douche bag hall of fame. BTW - when is your first show so we can make sure to belittle your efforts all along the way?
Amusing how it's the same ass ponies who have to turn the tables back on Bob or the IFBB whenever something is brought up about the PDI.
Actually, Bob made it clear early on that he represented ALL athletes, and that all the guys came to him for advice. Then, as the PDI gained some more athletes and the beef ensued with Priest, Bob suddenly stopped giving a shit about those men and decided he only represented IFBB guys. But early on, he did state that he represented the interests of ALL BBing pros. You can deny, delete, whatever, but BOb said it veyr early on.lift and "big" Kevin Horton are melting down faster than a snowball in the sun.
"Ass ponies"? Wow, LIFT I expected a little more class from you. A nice argument, maybe something witty. But yesterday Horton, and today Isaac, have resorted to crass name-calling. That's not the behavior of unworried industry leaders. That's the behavior we see from nervous men trying to endear themselves with higher-ups.
My beef with the IFBB is not whether they succeed or fail it is being truthful, honest, and treat their members right. I don't it when anybody or any company takes advantage of anyone. I hate it and when I can do somethign about it I do. The IFBB is just an easier target cause they do so much wrong and treat so many like shit it is easy. They are bogus and now with the PDI coming, I truly think that now the same people who have been taken advantage of and the future guys who would have been taken advantage of now have a choice. If they or anyone chooses the IFBB more power to them but when they get fucked like others have before them, then they have only themselves to blame. Till now they had no where else to go so I can't blame guys who want to compete so bad to have to put up with what comes with it. Well now the PDI is offering an alternative. ANd in a few years I am pretty sure the prize money will be just as good if not better.Come on Kieth, just own up to being bitter towards the IFBB. You love being devil's advocate on anything related to the IFBB. Bob stated that none of the athlete's called him in regards to the checks, if they did he would discussed it with them and taken the proper steps, since none did why is it still an issue? You read it, but you can't let it go.
I am on Waynes side cause he has been the only guy with balls to go up against the Weiders and the IFBB (other than Vince who knew nothign about BB). No matter what the people say about Wayne at least he wants and is doing something to better BB. Anyone who puts that down is stupid and really knows nothing about it.
And you are saying BOB is the IFBB rep, then why didn't Bob step up to the plate to defend the competitors on the bounced check inceident instead he stepped up for the promoter. How do you explain this. There were 8 competitors whose checks bounced. SUre they are blaming thebank but NO ONE has seen an official bank document stating the facts. Just a typed portion. Where is the faxed copy that has been requested for at least 10 times.
And you ask why I am on this so much. Cause like everythign else the IFBB or Sean does wrong gets put under the rug so people will forget about it. WHY? Why don't they just have some balls and take the responsibility. Lets blame the bank and then everyone will leave it alone. Sorry, I don't work that way. No one steps up and say we made a mistake the money should have been in escrow and released fo the show. No they admit that no money was in the account and the bank made a mistake in transferring it to the account to cover the checks. Jeez, you honestly believe this and accept this. I bet if the Colorado Pro happens next year the competitor list will be not only horrible but at least 30% smaller. Competitors are not gig to put up with having to get paid and their own rep not stepping in nor the IFBB stepping up and doing something about it. Other than 1st place the prize money was nothing special. So why would they come back.
Yes it's the same ass-wipes who stand up for the IFBB whenever shit hits the fan. All it shows is how dumb you really are and the deperate reaction to hang on to obviously sinking ship of the IFBB. Better grab your life vest Issac cause you are going to need it. I'll throw you an achor if I see you.
Simply a response of annoyance. You're like the little nappy dog that latches onto your pant leg and doesn't let go. You can be nice to it or you can punt it and it still comes back with the same bit of annoyance. It has nothing to do with being nervous and every bit about your continual stream of annoying claims of knowing what's best for this industry.
Again... Why don't you step up and become the PDI athlete's rep? We know you're not an athlete, so no conflict there.
Isaac I thought we already established you don't qualify to voice your opinion or make remarks cause of your stature and mental compacity. Please let the people who care about where BB is going and the how they are treated and how much money they can make for their future. Your bias views and kiss-ass appraoch to defending the IFBB is exhausting and disgusting at the same time. You defend an organization that doesn't give a shot about their members and have proven it over and over again for many many years. That says volumes on your integrity and morals when you defend an organization like this. Give it up already you lost and you are just hanging on. Your like the soldier in Monthy Pythons Holy Grail where he gets all his limbs chopped off yet still comes for more.hahaha, yes Keith he's like Paul Newman getting his ass kicked by George Kennedy in Cool Hand Luke..............stay down, Luke!!
Come on Kieth, just own up to being bitter towards the IFBB. You love being devil's advocate on anything related to the IFBB. Bob stated that none of the athlete's called him in regards to the checks, if they did he would discussed it with them and taken the proper steps, since none did why is it still an issue? You read it, but you can't let it go.
You're part of the PDI, great!!! That's fantastic but does trying to undermine the IFBB make the PDI a better solution? It appears that is your tactic in trying to promote your first PDI show. Guys who haven't and will never place well in the IFBB, of course the PDI is a great choice for them, never said it wasn't. What happens when Lee Priest becomes the Ronnie Coleman of the PDI - will you guys complain about that?
Lee will never be black or 5'11" or near 300lbs. And not to sound Alexxx-ish but Lee is allot better looking than Ronnie to.lee speaks english not jibber jive
Isaac I thought we already established you don't qualify to voice your opinion or make remarks cause of your stature and mental compacity. Please let the people who care about where BB is going and the how they are treated and how much money they can make for their future. Your bias views and kiss-ass appraoch to defending the IFBB is exhausting and disgusting at the same time. You defend an organization that doesn't give a shot about their members and have proven it over and over again for many many years. That says volumes on your integrity and morals when you defend an organization like this. Give it up already you lost and you are just hanging on. Your like the soldier in Monthy Pythons Holy Grail where he gets all his limbs chopped off yet still comes for more.Right, right Keith and you of all people qualify to be the voice of reason. ::) You had no problem being part of the IFBB before and promoting their amatuer organization, sounds a bit hypocrytical to me. When you can be part of the org. and attempt to make money you have no problem being part of it. Lose money, realize you don't stand a snowballs chance in promoting another NPC much less get sanctioned for an IFBB show you take a stand that you care about the athletes. Uh huh - riiiiiiiiiight.
The PDI will be putting on the most visual and creative show in BBing history, according to the athletes and Wayne.are you suggesting that the Mr. Olympia will be held at the local little league field next year, 240?
The FIBB just cancelled the PPV. And there are many saying the O will be sold after this year's event.
You tell me who is on the downward slide here.
are you suggesting that the Mr. Olympia will be held at the local little league field next year, 240?
Between innings.hahaha, oh brother, free nachos and popcorn in the bag to the winner.
hahaha, oh brother, free nachos and popcorn in the bag to the winner.
For the posing routine, Rodney St Cloud will find a creative way to make a Louisville Slugger completely disappear.:o
LIFT, you are giving your rubberstamp endorsement to the IFBB, which cheats people (Hi Rusty!), fixes some shows (Hi Doz and Ronnie!), and it limiting the amount of money it's independent athletes can earn. All while being a nonprofit organization!I'm not attacking you - I'm pointing out the obvious. You've got yourself wrapped around Wayne's nuts so tight it's making you more delusional then usual. You need the PDI without it you're nothing but a guy taking potshots with his animated gifs and doughboy reports towards IFBB pros. The PDI provides you with something new to be part of.
You're welcome to call me annoying. Because you're not debating the above points. You're attacking me. You can't argue the IFBB is fair, the athletes are well-paid, or that the IFBB cares about its athletes. So you attack me. Self-defeat.
You sure like to point out that I'm "not an athlete". You sound like an insecure dude when you say that. Using that as a point in your debate shows you're trying to make me lose face by insulting my physique, not my argument. You lose a point for that :) I hit the gym like many here, but just because I choose not to go to extremes and compete, I am not an athlete?
Finally LIFT, since you made it personal with "asspony" and love to insult my athletic prowess... I've seen your pics, and while you love to call me a clown, etc, in real life, we both know you wouldn't step to me. You just wouldn't. I'm now 208 and 5'10 at 12% BF, and a scrapper at that. You look like a soft schmoe, a company man, chum in the water. So if you want to see an ass pony, come on out to the orlando PDI and take a shove at the clown you call 240... Don't talk trash, step up and take a shot. WIMPstudios.
I'm not attacking you - I'm pointing out the obvious. You've got yourself wrapped around Wayne's nuts so tight it's making you more delusional then usual. You need the PDI without it you're nothing but a guy taking potshots with his animated gifs and doughboy reports towards IFBB pros. The PDI provides you with something new to be part of.
Rob give up the attempt in being a web designer and look into becoming a lawyer. You do a great job of twisting words and attempting to present them as truths. I pointed out that you're not an athlete, because you said yourself that the athlete's rep shouldn't be a competitor, sounds more like you have the inferiority complex there. I never insulted your phsqiue, no need to it speaks for itself and has nothing to do with anything. You can compete - if Vince can get on stage anyone can, stop making excuses.
HAHAHA - Now you're flexing your internet muscles telling me I wouldn't step to you? Wow that's tough and you want to talk about class?
I will bet you a thousand dollars that someone will feel they got screwed at the first PDI show in their placings. Care to take that bet? It doesn't matter if they are with the IFBB or the PDI there will always be unhappy competitors who feel they got screwed. It will always be part of bodybuilding and it doesn't matter what organization they are with.
My beef with the IFBB is not whether they succeed or fail it is being truthful, honest, and treat their members right.
lift and "big" Kevin Horton are melting down faster than a snowball in the sun.
Nice sentiments.
So how do you justufy the fact that Wayne was a part of the IFBB for 20 years, was responsible for fining bodybuilders and preventing them from competing?
Please try to be a little bit more creative than "He was only following orders" or "He'd had enough and that's why he left"
Why did the IFBB higher-ups allow such a tyrant to ruin their organization for 20 years? Why did his bosses allow such terrible conduct without ever stopping him? Very strange that we only hear of how evil he was once he starts a competing organization. While he was making the Weiders and manion a fortune, he was a saint. Then, when he's fleecing the marketable guys, suddenly there are so many bad things to say.
If he was so bad, why did the IFBB let him run everything for 20 years?
At last you're prepared to be critical of Wayne!
I'm not sure if the term "fleecing" is the same in the US but in the UK it means "ripping off" or cheating someone of something - usually money.
All I asked was why Keith justified his support of him. when for 20 years Wayne was a part of the organisation he so strongly objects too,
So for all those years Wayne was part of the problem, now he's suddenly seen the light and decided to be the savious of bodybuilding?
Or has he just decided that an easy way to make some quick money is to start a new organisation, charge promoters $10K+ non- refundable sanction fees, then blame "pressure from the IFBB" for the cancellation?
LIFT, would you consider yourself an athlete?Athletic, yes but what does that have to do with the price of corn in China?
Horton, I have no problem being completely honest about anyone. If the PDI sucks, I'll be the first guy on here breaking it down. I want change, competition for the IFBB. Wayne is a good alternative, but time may show him to not be perfect. Or, he might flourish. I don't know. I'm not going to stand up and blindly follow anyone (except my wife, of course!)
I just wanna see more than one game in town.
Let's not forget that one of his first press releases contained a blatant LIE - about the medical testing?Oh you mean McLean Hospital, the mental hospital?
Horton, I have no problem being completely honest about anyone. If the PDI sucks, I'll be the first guy on here breaking it down. I want change, competition for the IFBB. Wayne is a good alternative, but time may show him to not be perfect. Or, he might flourish. I don't know. I'm not going to stand up and blindly follow anyone (except my wife, of course!)
I just wanna see more than one game in town.
Why did the IFBB higher-ups allow such a tyrant to ruin their organization for 20 years? Why did his bosses allow such terrible conduct without ever stopping him? Very strange that we only hear of how evil he was once he starts a competing organization. While he was making the Weiders and manion a fortune, he was a saint. Then, when he's fleecing the marketable guys, suddenly there are so many bad things to say.
If he was so bad, why did the IFBB let him run everything for 20 years?
Why did the IFBB higher-ups allow such a tyrant to ruin their organization for 20 years? Why did his bosses allow such terrible conduct without ever stopping him? Very strange that we only hear of how evil he was once he starts a competing organization. While he was making the Weiders and manion a fortune, he was a saint. Then, when he's fleecing the marketable guys, suddenly there are so many bad things to say.
If he was so bad, why did the IFBB let him run everything for 20 years?
Makes no sense. A guy is putting on 5 shows, and saying he doesn't care if you compete in the IFBB too.
A guy is putting 150k out there for pro BBers to win.
And it's not the athletes complaining- it's photographers. LMAO...
He also said he had arranged yearly health screening for his athletes but that was proven to be a kie, but you say nothing about that?
Contrast that to what you would say if Bob's announcement had been false.
Where is the 150K he's putting out there. Only if he can find three promoters in Europe will there be abything like tjat amount of money.
You're not an athlete but you're always complaining about the NPC and IFBB.
What I meant-
who was it that said 'now that demilia is gone, the ifbb is trying to rebuild'?
DeMilia promoted events, did all the legwork, and was a prick to a lot of people, that seems to be a pretty widely accepted fact. BUT it was based upon the policy of the IFBB. Otherwise, the weiders and others in power would have removed him. Nobody can have such a high profile for 20 years- coupled with plenty of public bitching about him- without their bosses knowing just about everything that happens. Whatever wayne did, the IFBB condoned or closed its eyes to, or he wouldn't have been there 20 years.
So the absolute WORST that wayne can be is EQUAL to the IFBB. And, since I care about more shows, more money, and better deals for athletes, it doesn't concern me as much ANY bbing org holding a monopoly. If and when the IFBB is killed and PDI is supreme, I'll be trying to help the next renegade org. get off its feet. Monopolies suck.
I build websites for athletes. The better they do, the better I do. Plus it's fun to see a sport I like grow instead of dying.
I could care less from where the $150k comes. Wayne can pay it, promoters can, it doesn't matter. It's a private company, Kev. It's okay with you that Gilette hasn't released their Dec 2006 numbers yet, right? So why does it matter if Wayne's private company doesn't tell Mr Horton everything?
And there is a reason that the health info is not known. Athletes will be taken care of. I would tell you, but I don't know that I can trust you not to spread it, Kev, as some unscrupulous ppl might try to ruin things. But I can pretty confidently say that the PDI guys will receive yearly checkups.
I build websites for athletes. The better they do, the better I do. Plus it's fun to see a sport I like grow instead of dying.
I could care less from where the $150k comes. Wayne can pay it, promoters can, it doesn't matter. It's a private company, Kev. It's okay with you that Gilette hasn't released their Dec 2006 numbers yet, right? So why does it matter if Wayne's private company doesn't tell Mr Horton everything?
And there is a reason that the health info is not known. Athletes will be taken care of. I would tell you, but I don't know that I can trust you not to spread it, Kev, as some unscrupulous ppl might try to ruin things. But I can pretty confidently say that the PDI guys will receive yearly checkups.
240 STFU already!!!!! You know nothing. How many lies are you going to tell on this site? You cheated on your "made up wife" on this site. What married man would come on this site and hit on women and post naked pics of other women? Also you claim you had a disease so we can feel sorry for you. You give out personal info of people who join your cheap ass web site. Oh yeah them websites you make is a piece of shyt.I dont think using the same outline for each person website is a smart idea.BISH PLEASE
Onlyme -if you dont like this site or anything related to bodybuilding then why are you here? you trash all the pros and contest, and just about everything.You are getting as bad as 240. your true colors are starting to show that you are an clown. Damn that spider bite really did something to your brain
anyone be expected to believe there is one now?
What connection has onlyme to the PDI? Some people are suggesting that he is connected to it in some way?
Spring 2007 PDI Hawaii Classic.
So now you care about the pros? You do websites for them but bash them later, and is known for giving out people personal info when you get into a argument with them. Talk about bad business ::)
Are you kidding?
I hope the contest goes well for him. I really do.
But what's with all the negative onslaught on the IFBB? That's gonna work against him IMHO.
You're very incorrect.
I'm very good about keeping personal info private. You are incorrect. After Cheri Lane, a very happy client insulted my wife, business, etc, and dared me to diss her back, I did, but only using info that was readily available to X-boarders and delivered to me by an X-board member who had collected it. I know very little info about my clients, and I don't know anything about Arvilla or Cheri, other than what has been posted on the boards by them.
She was pissed I was calling mike out for leg training, so she insulted my wife. She trashed my business, posted lot of my pics. Dared me to retaliate. I showed her the personal shit the other member had found, and she accused me of stuff. I have 4 saved PMs where I begged her to end it, that I apologize, that it should end, and she continued to beg me to fight back. And when I did, she acted all violated.
Take form it what you want. I have worked with 75 clients since Nov, and ONE of them got mad at message board physique critique drama, six months AFTER being a very vocally happy customer. The other 74 did not. Interpret it how you want. I stand by my very strong privacy policy, and it's pretty obvious from the fact that every post you make under sgt.d account trashes me, so what else would I epxect but lies from you?
yes we all know that you never lie on here
what was i thinking when i typed that ::)
Don't however put out some shit about there never was critisism towards DeMilia.
He also said he had arranged yearly health screening for his athletes but that was proven to be a lie, but you say nothing about that?
Contrast that to what you would say if Bob's announcement had been false.
Where is the 150K he's putting out there. Only if he can find three promoters in Europe will there be anything like that amount of money.
You're not an athlete but you're always complaining about the NPC and IFBB.
240 STFU already!!!!! You know nothing. How many lies are you going to tell on this site? You cheated on your "made up wife" on this site. What married man would come on this site and hit on women and post naked pics of other women? Also you claim you had a disease so we can feel sorry for you. You give out personal info of people who join your cheap ass web site. Oh yeah them websites you make is a piece of shyt.I dont think using the same outline for each person website is a smart idea.BISH PLEASE
Onlyme -if you dont like this site or anything related to bodybuilding then why are you here? you trash all the pros and contest, and just about everything.You are getting as bad as 240. your true colors are starting to show that you are an clown. Damn that spider bite really did something to your brain
Onlyme -if you dont like this site or anything related to bodybuilding then why are you here? you trash all the pros and contest, and just about everything.You are getting as bad as 240. your true colors are starting to show that you are an clown. Damn that spider bite really did something to your brain
GoldenShowerPrince- In this argument, you're not worthy of a response unless 1) you've been here for a while or 2) you identify yourself.
You're obviously a regular, disguising youself. If not, reveal yourself before getting involved.
And this argument is boring as hell. Instead of talking about thw $150,000 that Wayne is pumping into the athlete's pockets this Sept/Oct, Horton wants to talk about whether the Orlando promoter can pay athletes in a show that doesn't pay money! (it's an amateur show he's running- there are no prize monies that I know of!)
Bottom line, the PDI is bringing in money. It's plainly obvious that anyone who wants to question everything they do, that this person is obviously trying to make nice with IFBB brass. And it's selfish- athletes deserve more money and if Horton has his way, they won't be seeing it :(
Kevin Kevin Kevin, come on now. Other than Chic, I bet not one IFBB pro has the insurance CHic supposedly setup. Come on. He has shows in Europe scheduled. You are so funny. You are IFBB through and through to the very end aren't you. That's loyalty but it's also your demise. Sit back and watch the show grow. Then you and Issac can come back and apoligize.
KEITH/ROB - since you two are the left and right nut of the PDI, why not address my previous question? Why is the hospital listed in the press release a MENTAL HOSPITAL?
McLean Hospital Mission Statement
McLean Hospital is a comprehensive health care system committed to providing a full range of high quality, cost effective, mental health services to our patients, their families and the larger community.
The Hospital is also dedicated to the training of mental health professionals and to supporting basic and clinical research to understand the causes of mental illnesses and to develop effective new means for their prevention and treatment.
All Kevin and I are doing is asking those "hard hitting" questions about the PDI, you know the ones you claim to ask about everything related to the IFBB.
Excuse who are you. Sgt d. What is your real name and a pic please. Without it you are just another 17 year old who will be on here more and more now that school is out. Son, I can pretty much bet that I have taken more shits in gyms than days you've have worked out. You know nothing about BB. When you can even come close to what I have done then you can open your piehole. And even then, only to agree with whatever i tell you.
It funny that some guys think I hate on the IFBB, Manion, Weiders, and Sean. I really don't call it hate when evrything I say is absolutely true. The thing you guys are used to, is shoving the shit you hear under the carpet and forget about it. Well I don't. Cause no definite answer has been given. Once the questions have been answered in full I go on. Like the check for Phil. Sure it got redeposited on Monday but that doesn't mean it cleared. And there were 9 more checks out there. You guys who chose to ignore this crap really don't have much going for you.
See unlike every single person on here excluding 2 I am willing to put more money and time into another show cause I like BB. See instead of bad mouthing people on here abut things I know nothing about, I actually go out and do something about it. See I walk the walk and talk the talk. So, battling me on any level is a losing experience and waste of time for you. What I say I say out of knowledge and knowing people who tell me things cause they are afraid too. It is pretty evident I am not afraid to say anything and I can back up everything I say and do.
son? Hmmmm thats odd including the fact that i am 45 and been training for over 30 years.Im not gonna waste my time on nobodies like you, have a nice dayok, "sgt. D", hahaha. ::)
ps. your show you put on suck big time ::)
Web sites by Rob/ AKA 240 :-\
Anyone want this guy to design their web site?
???
Yea Right ::)
looks like you re about to have another meltdown robert, you re going too far, even if everyoen thought you couldnt, you re still talking shit with 0 knowledge, bout things you have no clue, in your virtual internet life.
You re no superstar, you re not part of the bbing world, and soon people who are far more well known than you will ever be will start to destroy you once for all.
Take your pills and calm down, or you re good for another combo of ownages.
I tell you, one day, you wont be able to take it anymore.
All is well. Just pre-empting a shawn ray deletion of my responses. He tends to start battles and then delete responses. That is not cool. If he wants to argue PDI, you know I'm down. But his attacks are lame.hahaha... quoting this response.... he'll have to delete us both!! ;D
All is well. Just pre-empting a shawn ray deletion of my responses. He tends to start battles and then delete responses. That is not cool. If he wants to argue PDI, you know I'm down. But his attacks are lame.like yours are better ::)
Is this a Threat or a Warning from 240?
Ah, M E L T D O W N would be an Understatement.
I better warn the wifey, Rob is not on his Meds today :-*
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you post my pics one more time shawn, and i will decorate a picture of someone you love very much with semen and other artistic things.
I will make it my avatar and follow you everywhere.
Then I will encourage every getbigger i know to wear that picture too. You want her pic everywhere? Then stop being a prick and posting mine.
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Yawn. Dork.you said the exact same thing before metling down and deleting you 99999th account in the past.
Yawn. Dork.just teasing dude... but you have been pretty testy today
son? Hmmmm thats odd including the fact that i am 45 and been training for over 30 years.Im not gonna waste my time on nobodies like you, have a nice day
ps. your show you put on suck big time ::)
See, a debate is cool. It's fine to discuss points. But Shawn Ray has a special place in my heart as a man who threatened my wife in the past. So of course, he "gets to me".yeah...people are threatening your life....again.... i just hope someone will take the time to really punish you once for all, but its not gonna happen considering you stay at home 24/7 your wife working to pay the bills...
Whatever... Shawn can keep being a 43 year old man who posts naked pics of strangers. Whatever makes you happy.
just teasing dude... but you have been pretty testy today
I know I have been. I can usually debate all day, but Shawn just gets to me. I am still shocked he brought my wife's name into it first. Classless, especially for a moderator to do. If I ever meet Shawn, I will spill a coke on him. Sure, I would love to fight him, but we're all adults and he's 5'2 and 43 years old, so it wouldn't really be fair ;)
All I can do is try to forget that he took it there.
I do find what 240 said interesting. SO far the only two people who really rag on the PDI continously are two photographers. The only two competitors that have said anything negative are retired. That should show you right there how much the IFBB Pros care about and defend the IFBB and are looking forward to the PDI. I am pretty sure all of them are going to emjoy the competition and hope that it makes the IFBB get off their asses and do something positive.what do you have to say that is worth anyone's attention?
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yeah sure ::) another e-warrior statement...
I do find what 240 said interesting. SO far the only two people who really rag on the PDI continously are two photographers. The only two competitors that have said anything negative are retired. That should show you right there how much the IFBB Pros care about and defend the IFBB and are looking forward to the PDI. I am pretty sure all of them are going to emjoy the competition and hope that it makes the IFBB get off their asses and do something positive.
First off I don;t "rag" on the PDI, I've questioned the validity of it's motives. What has the fact that Isaac and I are photographers got to do with it? At least we're involved un the sport. What do you and 240 bring to the table? One openly hates the IFBB, Weider, NPC etc. so can hardly be seen as impartial. The other poses naked hitting most muscular shots and threstens to modify the photos of someones wife!
Wow, Shawn.
You're a retired pro BBing legend. You're a VYOtech endorser. You're a show promoter. You preach religion and the importance of family.
I'm a married college grad. Instead of running my business, I'm arguing with strangers on the web.
Look at us, man. Embarassing for both of us. I'm going to walk away now. You keep having fun posting pics, sharing PMs, and trying to defend your causes. You keep putting on a show for 3 kids you'll never meet. Have fun. I'm going to focus on the positives now. Enjoy whatever it is you have here.
Wow, Shawn.
You're a retired pro BBing legend. You're a VYOtech endorser. You're a show promoter. You preach religion and the importance of family.
I'm a married college grad. Instead of running my business, I'm arguing with strangers on the web.
Look at us, man. Embarassing for both of us. I'm going to walk away now. You keep having fun posting pics, sharing PMs, and trying to defend your causes. You keep putting on a show for 3 kids you'll never meet. Have fun. I'm going to focus on the positives now. Enjoy whatever it is you have here.
Wow, Shawn.hahahaahahahahahahaa
You're a retired pro BBing legend. You're a VYOtech endorser. You're a show promoter. You preach religion and the importance of family.
I'm a married college grad. Instead of running my business, I'm arguing with strangers on the web.
Look at us, man. Embarassing for both of us. I'm going to walk away now. You keep having fun posting pics, sharing PMs, and trying to defend your causes. You keep putting on a show for 3 kids you'll never meet. Have fun. I'm going to focus on the positives now. Enjoy whatever it is you have here.
Is this a Threat or a Warning from 240?
Ah, M E L T D O W N would be an Understatement.
I better warn the wifey, Rob is not on his Meds today :-*
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you post my pics one more time shawn, and i will decorate a picture of someone you love very much with semen and other artistic things.
I will make it my avatar and follow you everywhere.
Then I will encourage every getbigger i know to wear that picture too. You want her pic everywhere? Then stop being a prick and posting mine.
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Only one thing describes this post.... ;D
240 is back!
Vince you got some nice tittays.
I know I have been. I can usually debate all day, but Shawn just gets to me. I am still shocked he brought my wife's name into it first. Classless, especially for a moderator to do. If I ever meet Shawn, I will spill a coke on him. Sure, I would love to fight him, but we're all adults and he's 5'2 and 43 years old, so it wouldn't really be fair ;)
All I can do is try to forget that he took it there.
240 is back!
Vince you got some nice tittays.
240 is back!
Spill a coke??? Why not say spit in his face or kick his ass??? You know a little tough talk or something
Must be all the Spongebob Squarepants you're watching..... ;D
More like 240 is Broke..... ;D
What would Squidworth do?
Cause I value my freedom too much to swing on someone over silly message board words. I would, however, employ the fructose tactic to encourage Shawn to take the first swing. Then we could see where it led. But going to jail over someone is the ultimage self-owning.
Vince is competing in the 2006 NPC Brokeback Mountaineer show.
I do find what 240 said interesting. SO far the only two people who really rag on the PDI continously are two photographers. The only two competitors that have said anything negative are retired. That should show you right there how much the IFBB Pros care about and defend the IFBB and are looking forward to the PDI. I am pretty sure all of them are going to emjoy the competition and hope that it makes the IFBB get off their asses and do something positive.Wayne must not be in the office or answering his phone today huh Keith/Rob? That's where you get your info to combat the facts posted on here, right? You two continue to turn things away from the facts. I'll ask you again for the third time...
Finally LIFT, since you made it personal with "asspony" and love to insult my athletic prowess... I've seen your pics, and while you love to call me a clown, etc, in real life, we both know you wouldn't step to me. You just wouldn't. I'm now 208 and 5'10 at 12% BF, and a scrapper at that. You look like a soft schmoe, a company man, chum in the water. So if you want to see an ass pony, come on out to the orlando PDI and take a shove at the clown you call 240... Don't talk trash, step up and take a shot. WIMPstudios.
Cause I value my freedom too much to swing on someone over silly message board words. I would, however, employ the fructose tactic to encourage Shawn to take the first swing. Then we could see where it led. But going to jail over someone is the ultimage self-owning.
KEITH/ROB - since you two are the left and right nut of the PDI, why not address my previous question? Why is the hospital listed in the press release a MENTAL HOSPITAL?
First you meltdown on me and challenge me to step to you and your massive 5'10" 208lbs. Then you challenge Shawn Ray in the same thread. WHEN CLOWNS ATTACK! Look out. ::)
Lay off the test "scrapper".
That's not the name of the clinic where I heard the medical examinations were going to take place. Get the real location, and you'll understand.Perhaps you should go back and read what you post. Press Release #3. Here, I'll help you out...
Still claim them to be different?
No test here. Yes, creatine and lots of protein.Feel free to post pic of me from 4 years ago, before my first show, I could care less, we covered this already. I didn't insult your wife, I don't need to, you provide enough fodder. You couldn't beat me down in your wildest dream boy. You're right in that pic, from 4 years ago I wasn't 208. I had no clue how to pose and it was before my first show, but you wouldn't know anything about dieting and competing for a show. The closest you get to posing is naked at home. Step on stage one time creatine boy then we'll talk.
LIFT, if someone insults your wife, you have a right to challenge them physically. Call me a clown, feel all good inside, delete away. But in your heart, the knowledge that you I *could* beat you down really pisses you off. From your pics, I woudn't even put you at 208, Isaac. Shit, I probably have you BEAT on calves and arms.
And since Shawn can post mine, here are yours, right from BBing.com
Yes. The location I heard recently is not listed in any press release. Research based facility. It's not a health care system they're getting, it's checkups the IFBB doesn't provide.Laughable. "You heard". Give us a break. Why would you list it in a press release if it's not true? They are getting physicals from a mental instituition. WOW that is really some added value the IFBB never thought of. Makes perfect sense for guys in Europe to fly to the United States for a physical. Very cost effective there.
I find it interesting when someone can't attack the points of my argument, they attack my lack of 20 years schmoe experience that they're so proud of.
Stick with the debate, chubbs. Why is AMI unloading the O, if it is so super duper? And why cheat teh fans out of a PPV? You might be "glad", but a lot of ppl are not.
BIVENS! YOU'RE BACK! I missed you man.
Makes perfect sense for guys in Europe to fly to the United States for a physical. Very cost effective there.
Laughable. "You heard". Give us a break. Why would you list it in a press release if it's not true? They are getting physicals from a mental instituition. WOW that is really some added value the IFBB never thought of. Makes perfect sense for guys in Europe to fly to the United States for a physical. Very cost effective there.
Clearly you don't know the answer so you continue to say "I heard". It's okay to admit you don't know instead of dancing around the facts.
They'll be tested once yearly after the PDI's version of the O. All the athletes will be in one place at one time, and since it's right after their most depleted state (competing) it's a good time to check them out and get in front of problems early.So in the PDI's version of the O, all the athlete's will make the stage? Wow now that sounds great - you're all winners in the PDI. After the show, pile in the short buses and go to Chucky Cheese to celebrate everyone's good health.
The IFBB does this, right?
So in the PDI's version of the O, all the athlete's will make the stage? Wow now that sounds great - you're all winners in the PDI. After the show, pile in the short buses and go to Chucky Cheese to celebrate everyone's good health.
BIVENS! YOU'RE BACK! I missed you man.
No, it's a better idea to do a few photoshoots, then return home unsure of whether you sustained any internal damage, and just wait for the blood in your piss, then try to schedule an appt.A physical after a show isn't a bad idea, I agree. A free checkup isn't a bad thing but it's a far cry from medical benefits. That's simply my point.
Isaac, seriously, can you agree that giving every athlete a full physical and checkup after the big show of the year is a step in the right direction?
I know you love to joke about the PDI, but can you agree it would be a good thing if the IFBB did this? Free checkup the day after the O?
O W N E D!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
O W N E D!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How many Olympias have you competed in 240?
How many Olympias have you competed in 240?lets start with the base question.
Let's make the question easier.....How many olympias have you even attended?
Yes. The location I heard recently is not listed in any press release. Research based facility. It's not a health care system they're getting, it's checkups the IFBB doesn't provide.
So you're accepeting that this one you've now heard about is genuine despite the fact that the PDI has a proven history of releasing lies about their medical screening?
It's 4 months until a private corporation puts on their first event.
Just a little Patience.
ANY kind of health coverage or aid will be more than the IFBB gives- would you agree with that Kevin?
Monster deflection in answering the question!
Are you denying that the PDI previousy lied?
I have plenty of patience. What the PDI lacks is vebues, sponsrs and promoters.
I agree about the benefits of GENUINE health coverage, that's why I applaud Bob for what he's achieved.
Well, give me the facts. I don't know what happened in the past with Wayne- I know what I heard about future plans. At this point, both the IFBB AND PDI are purely "planning" health insurance, right?
Wait, what has bob "achieved"? Do the IFBB guys have coverage now? what is the actual story with that?
Shawn, if one of us has "brokeback" experience, it's the one who dated Sasha Ogata. Who would that be, Shawn?are you saying that Shawn and Eddie Murphy have a lot of late night extracurricular activities in common, 240?
THen gove the facility a call and ask then if any agreement was entered into.
I wont bother "Cowboy" :-*
Wait, so the guy who answers their phones was not able to disperse a private corporation's information over the phone, so that means there is no agreement in place? MMmmm-kay. I guess if I call Microsoft and ask for Bill Gates, if he can't come to the phone, he must not work here.
Careful Shawn 240 has a reputation
I love trading pics!
Is that your wifes hat in your photo?
actually my band was playing a biker bar that night and we went country.
Kev, did you know that out of you, me, and Shawn Ray, only two of us have not dated a transgender named Sasha. Which of us is the knobslobber? Go ahead, guess, Kev.
So why did you have to wear your wifes hat? Get your own buddy, they're not that expensive.
I'm not going to save you a seat at the NOC for saying mean things.
Why would there be a problem with the medical service being taken care of in a mental institution?
Most likely all medical institutions have the basic medical equipment, and that was a good deal.
Now, I think the question is legit. A mental institution is a bit different than your regular ER. So an explanation would suffice.
If there's no explanation, it gives signals that something's not right.
1. Wanting to have more information about the medical deal seems fair.
2. Ridiculing the medical deal on the basis that the place is a crazy house isn't.
I'm sure PDI will be able to provide information about this deal in a short time. If they don't, serious speculations will occur.
YIP
Zack
But it would be interesting to see if there's any truth to that post of Shawn Ray about Galanti NOT joining the PDI.
Shawn, you have the time to post 20 pics of me. Why don't you answer the man's question.
What's up with Vinny Galanti?
Is he going for a pro card in the PDI?
What is the deal there?
Granted, the PDI is by no means depending on someone like Galanti, of course not. But it would be interesting to see if there's any truth to that post of Shawn Ray about Galanti NOT joining the PDI.
And what would be the reasons?
YIP
Zack
You have to ask and see who said it.
maybe there's some truth to it....
Guess we'll have to wait for Vinny to set the record straight.
...as I said....maybe there's some truth to it.
...as I said....maybe there's some truth to it.
Theres truth to every rumour
I'd say shawn is giving V an opportunity to speak
It's the gentlemens way
Theres truth to every rumour
I'd say shawn is giving V an opportunity to speak
It's the gentlemens way :D
Exactly...lets just say thats it's not our place to make such an announcement...if Vinny wants to, thats his business.
The gentleman's way would have been for Shawn to not mention it at all. At this point, everyone is reading it. Shawn, why shit in another man's shoes?
LOL.. shit in another man's shoes.. I haven't heard that before ;D
...and I've got a PM from Vinny himself stating his position.
LOL, ok "onlyme", an entire international sporting body that has lasted for as long as anybody can remember sinking ship in favour of some unproven new entity that has been "in the works" for at least a couple of years... ::) Oh brother, not another morbidly obese professional hater clamouring for his day in the sun...the wwe formerly wwf and wwwf was just a dream and tiny blip on the screen compared to the nwa!
Vinny is a Pro Division athlete, Bob. I don't know if you got the memo...
...and I've got a PM from Vinny himself stating his position.
guess thats that, then....
BTW...just how is one a "PDI" athlete, when they have yet to actually produce a show?
his recent new deal
Dosnt get much 'recenter' than that. ;)
As for more $$$ than half the ifbb pro's, thats a big claim mate.......you dont know how much these guys make and is Rhino's deal capped or is it residual over time? Is it indicative of an actual stage performance?
It all seems hyperthetic to me
Flurby = Shawn "Tranny Lover" Ray
Sgt D = Bob "The Masters win was a gift" Chick
Lift Studios & KMH PHOTO = IFBB tools who fear the PDI's success.
Chick and Ray, It's sad to see a third tier pro, and a former succesful pro bodybuilder sit at home bashing a fan of pro bodybuilding (240) Are both of you gentlemen that insecure about yourselfs and your lives that you have to sit here and post pics and talk shit about a fan? I mean is 240 such a big part of your lives that you take the time to respond to every one of his post? Shawn don't you have a Wife and kids that you should be spending time with? Bob don't you have more important things to do like come up with new ideas that will benifit the athlets you represent? Sad little Men, both of you.
Lift Studios & KMH PHOTO = IFBB tools who fear the PDI's success.
2006, No support from sponsors for the PDI
Upon what do you base this statement, Kevin?
Upon what do you base this statement, Kevin?
Wishful thinking and Hope
Knowledge.
Were you even allowed to play on the computer in 2004?
Horton,
I have dismantled you just like I did to Bob Chick and Shawn Ray before him.
I have exposed Kevin Horton as a classless douche, unable to argue issues, who resorts to insults and gay pics on the web to win arguments with strangers.
Welcome to the list. People now know that you, Kevin Horton, the photog, the IFBB shill, will resort to trading silly pics online with strangers. Way to make the IFBB look good, champ.
Son,
Please don't start with me, keep defending the IFBB and stay in your lane. Personal attacks are not the route to use with me. ;) And don't use me calling you an IFBB tool as a personal attack, that my boy is a fact.
You do not have the tools to dismantle anyone. I see no evidence of your success against Bob, Shawn or anyone else.
I accept that I come from a working class background, I'm very proud of that fact.
I've tried to debate issues with you but your blind allegiance to the PDI leaves you without the capacity to reason.
My trading photos with you have nothing to do with the IFBB.
You post pics about me - I post pics about you. What's wrong with that/ It's fun.
Did I complain about the photos you posted? No, I took it in fun and posted some back.
When you say "gay pics" what exactly do you mean?
They are both of you?
For some reason my previous reply to you has been deleted. So.
Sonny Boy,
Conisidering you fired the first salvo, please forgive me if I don;t take your advice. I usually have to repsect someone before I can do that. With your same reasoning behind the "IFBB tool" statement. please accept you are a retard.
Kevin, you can contact any pro who reads the boards and ask them their honest opinion of Bob Chick. They will likely admit he has been caught in lies, he has used words like 'queer', he has insulted fellow pros, and he has in general acted like a man not capable of representing the athletes.
Also, ask about Shawn Ray. His stock has plummeted since posting here, and it is because of his behavior. He starts arguments, insults overweight handicapped people, and Shawn indeed does involve family members. Shawn has embarassed himself on these boards- no flaming here. It's the truth, and just about anyone will tell you.
And me, 240... since day 1, I have been on the outside, pushing buttons to get people to show their true colors. Sure I had a meltdown when my info got posted. And sure, I retaliated at Shawn when he posted it a second time. Wrong? Yeah. But many of us would have done the same when a loved one's info was put out there. Lotta crazies in this world, and that move was just not cool. Even my enemies agreed Shawn crossed the line. And today, I reacted to him continuing ot push my buttons. It was a mistake. But I didn't mention his wife at all. I was actually referring to the woman he slept with at the 04 and *tried to* at the 06 ASC. You can contact King K for evidence. I've seen the cell phone shots. Shawn cheated, period.
There you have it, Kev. The more you hang with these guys, the more you pick up their stink. Sit where you want in here, but if you want to align yourself with them, at least know their histories here.
I contend that the 2006 PDI has money...
Let me settle this once and for all. As I read the post you have for this topic it is CRYSTAL CLEAR that you are an IFBB tool. That's a FACT! So me calling you on it is not a personal attack, it is the truth. Another example, you look like a fucken fag in your pick so when I call you a fucken fag, it's not a personal attack but the truth. Are we tracking?
And if I had any information on you having an affair, even if it was true, I wouldn't make it public. Not out of respect for you, but out of respect for your wife. Why hurt her and possibly destroy her life over a few stupid words on here?
Son,
What pic are you talking about?
Are we tracking?
Whatever that means.
I'm quite happy to trade insults with you and no doubt you're used to hearing them but it would help if we also included some discussion of the PDI too?
Good point. Lets get back to what's important
Back to the argument, can anyone tackle this question:
I concede that the 2004 PDI didn't have money, and therefore didn't have athletes willing to commit.
I contend that the 2006 PDI has money, as many athletes are willing to commit. They sit down with DeMilianaire and he presents a list of who is involved, and what the outcomes of planned events will be, based upon current information and resources.
Rob,
I know Bob outside of these boards and he's a good guy, who loves the sport and is trying hard to make things better for the athletes. The same thing goes for Shawn. I first met him in the UK when he came over to do a seminar. Even before these boards he's been trying to improve the sport.
The fact is, that the boards change everyones approach to communication. How many keyboard gangsters are there? I've already had threats against my life, wished an early death, died in a plane crash and been told by a chicken farmer that he was banging my wife the night before.
None of this would be said id we were all sitting at a show, sure we'd all have some fun, but the personal shit wouldn't happen. Otherwise "Sarcasm" wouldn't have a dick to keep his chickens miserable with.
You're complaining that I posted a picture of you, WHY?
Look back and see the ones you posted. Am I complaining? NO. It's all fun.
Would I say the things I do about you here if we stood face to face?, Of course not, becasue we'd both handle the debate differently. Tis is more like a school yard. Nobodies ever going to throw a punch so everyone get's a little carried away.
But now you're crossing the line. Brining up peoples personal life is about as low as it gets.
No matter how much I disagree with you, no matter how much you try to ridiculeme with photos, I'd never include your wife. And if I had any information on you having an affair, even if it was true, I wouldn't make it public. Not out of respect for you, but out of respect for your wife. Why hurt her and possibly destroy her life over a few stupid words on here?
You previously brought up my lack of class. I think you've now revealled yours.
This is my point: Why aren't we all excited that the IFBB is giong to have some competiton? In the end we all (The Fans) win. If the IFBB wants to keep its stronghold on bodybuilding then it will have to step it up. Keep the judging fair, don't make the placings so predictable, make the shows more attractive/exciting. With the PDI, there is an aura of mystery. It's something new, with a very experienced promoter as the head. What can Wayne do to top the IFBB? Who are all the competitors going to be? Will the judges be fair? Who are the sponsors? Wayne is going about it in the right way. Keeping us guessing, wondering, excited, and above all else TALKING about it. Lets give it a chance before you start bashing it. We should embrace both federations and let them slug it out while we reap the benifits as fans!
I agree with you. Shawn and Bob do act differently on here than they would in real life. As do I. I do find it funny though, that all I do is return shawn the SAME threat in PM that he sent me in PM, and everyone is all over my case for retaliating. Whatever. I guess if you were a good BBer 10 years ago, you get a free pass to instigate.
I cannot think of any successful event for which the main sponsors have not demanded inclusion on all the pre-event publicity.
Why do they not want anyone to know who they are?
I support the very idea of the PDI, but that's a very difficult question to get away from.
I can answer some of that. Some of the sponsors have signed one year deals with the IFBB. They pay a certain amount up front or in payments depending what is arranged. For that they get booths at shows and logos in ads and such and banner display etc. Many of the sponsors are still under contract with the IFBB. They are not going to jepordize their position with the IFBB at this point until their contract is up. They could very easily be seen in breach. So they can not be included in anything or mentioned. I think I got most of that right, but you get the point. Wayne has been the premier promoter of BB shows around the world for 20 years. Do you honestly think he would go this far and not have his ducks in a row.
As it's the sponsors who have the ultimate power in this business I find it surprising that any would sign deals that would prevent them funding other shows.
Also, don't the sponsors sign deals with the individual promoters not the IFBB?
Look at the IFBB website and they're is no mention of any company, only links to FLEX and Muscle & Fitness.
If you're talking about any sponsors involved in the OLympia event, then isn't that being held after the NOC? So any contractual arrangements you allude to would still be in effect?
As for Wayne, well it wouldn't be the first time he ended up with egg on his face - even duck ;D - sorry couldn't resist that one ;D
When I was told how it worked it sounded right, I think I am not saying it right. But, I was given a couple examples of how much was given and what they got for their money.
I read on another board Frank McGraff signed With PDI wondering if it is true? ::)
"i will decorate a picture of someone you love very much with semen and other artistic things."
the Lift pud/Horton's lovefest is quite apparent from this thread.
2 clowns that will defend the ifbb till death do them part....
240 - please authenticate - or deny - the contents of this message.who gives a shit if he did
You didn't really send that to Shawn, did you? Because if you did...
who gives a shit if he did
There are people and they have their reasons...or so I've been told.well, you werent here for it,, we were :)
Nice of you to break away from defending Dorian's honor and give us another of your thoughtful and intelligent opinions.unlike you who gets to do those "forearm exercises" in person while taking "photos".
Now lay back, look at the poster of him on your wall and do your forearm exercises.
Actually shawn was the one who posted the PM to tattle to everyone. All I did was explain when asked.i was here for that now STFU :)
I just want him to stop. He's not about having fun and talking trash and debating, he's about doing worse things. I welcome shawn to try to combat me in wit... but to go where he went FIRST is uncalled for.
You have to leave the families out of it, too.
Shawn - according to 240, you were wrong, man...even if you were only joking around with him, that was wrong.
You both have obligations to your wives and families that trump all this internet chest-thumping.
Have all the fun with one another you want, but leave the innocents out of it.