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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Bigger Business on May 28, 2006, 08:15:15 AM
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The only reason i'd wanna be an ifbb pro is a shot at the Mr. Olympia title.....regardless of any other show it is the most prestigious title in the biz. That being said.......a person wishing to pursue that goal has about a 1 in a trillion chance of actually achieving that goal.
The PDI seems to be pitching a few extra comp dollers and more contractual freedom than the ifbb.
Bodybuilders dont make their money from shows and being affliated with a federation only seems to limit earning potential in the bread and butter market......endorsements, appearances etc.
Moral of the story........stay amatuer, live longer, make more money.
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Euro guys, guys under 240, guys with classic lines... they're typically ignored in big IFBB shows. They will be the showpiece at PDI shows. You'll be able to look at the top 5 and say 'damn, I wanna look like that'. Who wants to really look like a coleman or cutler in real life?
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Euro guys, guys under 240, guys with classic lines... they're typically ignored in big IFBB shows. They will be the showpiece at PDI shows. You'll be able to look at the top 5 and say 'damn, I wanna look like that'. Who wants to really look like a coleman or cutler in real life?
A lot of people wanna look like cutler or coleman........many more want to be mr O.
My point is that federations simply limit earning potential and are pointless enterprises
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Moral of the story........stay amatuer, live longer, make more money.
Or you can join Women's Physique International/Masters Physique International.
Oops. :-X
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Or you can join Women's Physique International/Masters Physique International.
Oops. :-X
I just want to help backstage with the fitness girls. Any help here Tre? ;D
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Or you can join Women's Physique International/Masters Physique International.
Oops. :-X
That's just wrong. :-X
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Euro guys, guys under 240, guys with classic lines... they're typically ignored in big IFBB shows. They will be the showpiece at PDI shows. You'll be able to look at the top 5 and say 'damn, I wanna look like that'. Who wants to really look like a coleman or cutler in real life?
Who will be the top 5 at the NOC then?
From the line-up we already know of.
Is Lee the favorite?
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Euro guys, guys under 240, guys with classic lines... they're typically ignored in big IFBB shows. They will be the showpiece at PDI shows. You'll be able to look at the top 5 and say 'damn, I wanna look like that'. Who wants to really look like a coleman or cutler in real life?
If that's true then why was the first PDI pro Athlete was Rhino??? He definitely does not fit that mold of aestetics. He's just....well a Rhino. If that was true then the first athlete to be picked would have been someone else....even Galanti
Seriously, 240 your comments as to why the PDI is going to be better is getting a little....fuzzy.
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A lot of people wanna look like cutler or coleman........many more want to be mr O.
My point is that federations simply limit earning potential and are pointless enterprises
dude there r federations in every sport...for eg the olympic federation,powerlifting federations..etc..dude so ur saying that when a guy wins a big contest...is there a tax on their earinig or do they get all of their money without any type of taxes on them???
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dude there r federations in every sport...for eg the olympic federation,powerlifting federations..etc..dude so ur saying that when a guy wins a big contest...is there a tax on their earinig or do they get all of their money without any type of taxes on them???
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dude there r federations in every sport...for eg the olympic federation,powerlifting federations..etc..dude so ur saying that when a guy wins a big contest...is there a tax on their earinig or do they get all of their money without any type of taxes on them???
Not sure what you are asking but the athlete is responsible for the taxes on his winnings.
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If that's true then why was the first PDI pro Athlete was Rhino??? He definitely does not fit that mold of aestetics. He's just....well a Rhino. If that was true then the first athlete to be picked would have been someone else....
Damn, Vince. I feel like I'm wasting time explaining things to you that should be common sense.
Have you looked at the list of the names that have declared? There are a slew of aesthetic guys on there. Rhino going first showed he had the balls to believe in what Wayne planned and jump in first. Others followed. Lee was the first major IFBB pro.
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Damn, Vince. I feel like I'm wasting time explaining things to you that should be common sense.
Have you looked at the list of the names that have declared? There are a slew of aesthetic guys on there. Rhino going first showed he had the balls to believe in what Wayne planned and jump in first. Others followed. Lee was the first major IFBB pro.
others will follow... the PDI could be a new beginning for pro bodybuilding... on the other hand it couls just be a joke like the IFBB in a couple of years
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i think, sadly, that the people that will be attracted to the pdi are the ones who aren't good enough to succeed in the ifbb. if you can get top 10 at the mr o, what incentive do you have to go pdi? lee is an exception, but he's lee and his history with the ifbb isn't the nicest. financially the fed doesn't offer much to someone who can get into the top tier in ifbb shows and they certainly don't have the reputation of the olympia.
a pdi show isn't going to be paying over $100,000 for the win plus a vehicle for a long time. and even when it does, that show still won't be "mr olympia". the people the pdi will get will be those who for one reason or another can't make any money in the ifbb. until they start pulling really big names they won't drum up much support. and to pull the big names they need to have a hell of a lot to offer.
people want the pdi to succeed just because it's competition to the "evil" ifbb. but unless there's a gameplan that isn't just "be another fed" it won't go anywhere.
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i think, sadly, that the people that will be attracted to the pdi are the ones who aren't good enough to succeed in the ifbb. if you can get top 10 at the mr o, what incentive do you have to go pdi? lee is an exception, but he's lee and his history with the ifbb isn't the nicest. financially the fed doesn't offer much to someone who can get into the top tier in ifbb shows and they certainly don't have the reputation of the olympia.
a pdi show isn't going to be paying over $100,000 for the win plus a vehicle for a long time. and even when it does, that show still won't be "mr olympia". the people the pdi will get will be those who for one reason or another can't make any money in the ifbb. until they start pulling really big names they won't drum up much support. and to pull the big names they need to have a hell of a lot to offer.
people want the pdi to succeed just because it's competition to the "evil" ifbb. but unless there's a gameplan that isn't just "be another fed" it won't go anywhere.
I respect your opinion here man.
You're right- the PDI will not attract the top 3 guys in the IFBB. But they may get guy #4 ;)
For the athletes- Unless your name is coleman, cutler, dex, or gustavo, you're not going to be earning 100k a year from BBing. For them it makes sense to stay. but since the careers in the sport are so short- a ten year competitive pro career is a rare thing- why not jump if you know you're not going to earn $10k in your whole iFBB career?
For the fans- it's NEW! Imagine going to a BBing show and NOT KNOWING WHAT TO EXPECT. How many fans know what every O will be like? You know who the top 10, top 3 will be. You know who will be there, what the politcal banter will be. This is NEW. We don't know what shows will be like. Wayne's talking like it'll be way more fun and exciting than ifbb shows, and the athletes have all sorts of cool stuff planned!
Gameplan- aesthetic, guys that look like fans/everyday public want to look like, and more exciting shows.
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i think the big thing the pdi needs to do is bide their time. exist for a few years and start snagging promising rookies. as many as possible. getting former ifbb heavyweights is all well and good for initial support, but what will lock them in as the new game in town is once the next generation files in and the ifbb is getting the also-rans.
look at the wwf and wcw. the wcw started pulling all of the wwf's older big names. at one point they had pretty much everyone that had made the wwf popular. they petered out after a few more years and got bought by the wwf. why? no new talent. it was cool and all to see old faces getting play again, but after a while it doesn't work.
i know i sound contradictory in my message, but i think it boils down to two things: give the athletes a reason to come and concentrate on the new blood over the old. don't just get people who haven't gotten ifbb cards despite years of trying or people who can't do well in ifbb shows. that makes the pdi look like the haven for bottom-rung athletes to get paid. get the guys the ifbb is looking forward to, the ones that would have made a splash in the ifbb had they stayed. not the ones who SHOULD have been big, the ones who WOULD have if they didn't get snagged by the pdi.
i just have this bad feeling too many pdi guys are going to be there because "the ifbb didn't give them their just due" which makes it seem like the kiddie pool.
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Sad to say it but this PDI think will go nowhere. Barely enough interest in the sport from fans and sponsors to support one federation let alone 2. I think the IFBB will continue to be the major (only) player here. The BB members are a divided lot, they are lucky to have any kind of income doing what they do............cause very few people care. Just not mainstream enough to bring anykind of truly big dollars to very many athletes.
You see though this is why I like it who wants to sit through all the corporate advertising and corny phoniness?
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You guys have missed the point.
Look down the list of the top 100 ifbb pro's. How many of them do you think could make a living from competition winnings? My guess would be 4-5 tops and at that its pretty meagre $$ for a 'professional' athlete.
They can make their money doing appearances, supp. endorsements, personal training etc. but that requires initiative and entreprenuerial skillz.
No one has said WHY a bodybuilder should be in ifbb OR pdi yet, coz you know I'm right.
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If that's true then why was the first PDI pro Athlete was Rhino??? He definitely does not fit that mold of aestetics. He's just....well a Rhino. If that was true then the first athlete to be picked would have been someone else....even Galanti
Seriously, 240 your comments as to why the PDI is going to be better is getting a little....fuzzy.
Hey thats the first compliment you gave me.....gee thanks
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and how exactly do amateurs make money
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and how exactly do amateurs make money
ive already written it twice
BB federations offer their athletes nothing...and charge them 'membership' for it
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ive already written it twice
BB federations offer their athletes nothing...and charge them 'membership' for it
So a bodybuilder competes in an IFBB show ,does well, gets exposure in magazines, from the exposure he get's endorsement contracts, guest appearances where he can sell dvd's, photo's etc. etc.
How is that nothing?
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ive already written it twice
BB federations offer their athletes nothing...and charge them 'membership' for it
Yea it is funny that you pay a membership fee yet you get NOTHING for the money except the right to compete in a BB show they sanction in which you then pay another fee to the promoter to compete in the show you already paid the organization to compete in. What a deal!
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So a bodybuilder competes in an IFBB show ,does well, gets exposure in magazines, from the exposure he get's endorsement contracts, guest appearances where he can sell dvd's, photo's etc. etc.
How is that nothing?
The IFBB offers it's 'professionals' an opportunity to compete in sanctioned shows. Thats it and thats assuming the shows go ahead for 1....oh and of course.....they have to 'pay their dues' to "do well"....what happenned to merit?
You're looking at this in the traditional sense....and clearly it dosnt work. After 40 years or whatever, rather than growing, the federations have become more and more complacent and athletes have just gone along with it.
Why do you think Arnold is still on the covers of bodybuilding magazines? Because its propoganda for the federations......."if you have a physique like arnold you will be rich and famous!" Thats what theyre telling us.......I can tell you right now it was a lil more than winning the mr. O a few times that got arnold where he is today.........Governer Coleman/Haney? I dont think so.
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i think, sadly, that the people that will be attracted to the pdi are the ones who aren't good enough to succeed in the ifbb. if you can get top 10 at the mr o, what incentive do you have to go pdi? lee is an exception, but he's lee and his history with the ifbb isn't the nicest. financially the fed doesn't offer much to someone who can get into the top tier in ifbb shows and they certainly don't have the reputation of the olympia.
a pdi show isn't going to be paying over $100,000 for the win plus a vehicle for a long time. and even when it does, that show still won't be "mr olympia". the people the pdi will get will be those who for one reason or another can't make any money in the ifbb. until they start pulling really big names they won't drum up much support. and to pull the big names they need to have a hell of a lot to offer.
people want the pdi to succeed just because it's competition to the "evil" ifbb. but unless there's a gameplan that isn't just "be another fed" it won't go anywhere.
The PDI shows will attract allot more sponsors than the IFBB shows. Not only supplement companies but sponsors outside of the industry. The bodies of the PDI in the most part will be the type the majority of the people (not BB fans) will enjoy looking at and being around and someday having. For this reason, the sponsorship possibilities are endless. The IFBB has restricted the type of sponsors they can secure. The PDI will be out promoting a more healthier look and healthier lifestyle.
To say the PDI will never have a $100,000 prize is probably correct. It could very easily be allot higher. The IFBB has absolutrely not one hint of creativity or marketing ingenunity. Not one. The PDI will be a marketing and sponsorship cash-cow for the athletes. Something that can't be said for the IFBB except 5 or 6 guys.
I still have never heard back from Chic or anyone on the number of IFBB pros there are. I can understand why they would suppress the numbers. It is very embarassing to see how many of the IFBB pro actually make any kind of money and I mean jst over $10,000 a year. I bet less than 5%. And I mean from competiton money. Add in sponsorship money and it might go as high as 10%. These numbers are nothing to get excited about.
You guys keep saying that the PDI will not get the top tier guys. WHo cares. The top tier guys are the ones and the types of bodies that have detoriated the popularityof Bodybuilding. Why would the PDI want those guys. The only reason those guys do anything is that they sell some seats at the shows. The PDI will have great bodies too and they look more pleasing to more people. They will fill the seats. No problem there. Bt the imprtant part is that the bodies of the PDI will give them more opportunity to make more money than they could ever do in the IFBB.
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The bodies of the PDI in the most part will be the type the majority of the people (not BB fans) will enjoy looking at and being around and someday having.
So the shows are not going to be geared towards bodybuilding fans?
More of a mens fitness type of thing?
Where do you think the current crop of PDI athletes will place? Jack, Vince etc.
Is Lee the favorite?
Of all the current crop of bodybuilders, which ones has the physique closest to the PDI ideal?
Will the judging criteria be published and available to download, if so, when?
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Will the judging criteria be published and available to download, if so, when?
Prior to Sept 16 :)
And you can always find the press releases at www.PDIradio.com
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Prior to Sept 16 :)
And you can always find the press releases at www.PDIradio.com
I'd change the format of the press releases to .pdf
.Docs can contain macros which put a lot of people off downloading them.
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I'd change the format of the press releases to .pdf
.Docs can contain macros which put a lot of people off downloading them.
good idea kev, thanks! I will put them into the webpage via html once I get caught up.
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if some guys are owed dough from the orlando PDI promoter, dont you think he should cough up the bread with interest asap so we can all move on? or is 12 grand a budget buster? and if so the PDI is already in trouble. ::)
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fyi......this thread isnt whether ifbb or pdi is better...but rather whether it's in the best interest of a bodybuilder wishing to earn a living in the industry to be affiliated with either
carry on
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Yea it is funny that you pay a membership fee yet you get NOTHING for the money except the right to compete in a BB show they sanction in which you then pay another fee to the promoter to compete in the show you already paid the organization to compete in. What a deal!
There are no longer any entry fees for IFBB pro competitors. I don't know exactly when they went away, but it's been that way for several years now.
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I still have never heard back from Chic or anyone on the number of IFBB pros there are. I can understand why they would suppress the numbers. It is very embarassing to see how many of the IFBB pro actually make any kind of money and I mean jst over $10,000 a year. I bet less than 5%. And I mean from competiton money. Add in sponsorship money and it might go as high as 10%. These numbers are nothing to get excited about.
For the sake of argument, there are ~200 IFBB pro men worldwide. There are ~75 women bodybuilders, ~75 fitness athletes, and ~80 figure women.
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fyi......this thread isnt whether ifbb or pdi is better...but rather whether it's in the best interest of a bodybuilder wishing to earn a living in the industry to be affiliated with either
carry on
Totally understood and it's a good thread idea.
I have to say, though, that a person can likely make money in either. For all its faults, the IFBB has helped to create income opportunities for a LOT of people. I have and always will give them credit for that. For the athletes, it's a matter of knowing how to take advantage of that tremendous network.
Unfortunately, though, most people know almost nothing about business. For those born and raised in America, the reason is simple - they weren't taught it, because there's no one to teach it. But over time, if they've been paying attention, they should've picked up some knowledge along the way.
The same marketing network won't exist the first day the PDI opens, but there's no reason to believe they won't be able to develop the same in the years to come.
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Totally understood and it's a good thread idea.
I have to say, though, that a person can likely make money in either. For all its faults, the IFBB has helped to create income opportunities for a LOT of people. I have and always will give them credit for that. For the athletes, it's a matter of knowing how to take advantage of that tremendous network.
Unfortunately, though, most people know almost nothing about business. For those born and raised in America, the reason is simple - they weren't taught it, because there's no one to teach it. But over time, if they've been paying attention, they should've picked up some knowledge along the way.
The same marketing network won't exist the first day the PDI opens, but there's no reason to believe they won't be able to develop the same in the years to come.
How does the IFBB create income opportunities. It was BB that created the IFBB. Last time I checked the IFBB doesn't get anyone member jobs or sponsorships. You can say they have provided venues for the BB to exhibit their bodies, but that's it. Their was BB before the IFBB. And the last time I checked the IFBB does not employ any of the competitors and pay them a yearly salary or even an hourly wage.
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How does the IFBB create income opportunities. It was BB that created the IFBB. Last time I checked the IFBB doesn't get anyone member jobs or sponsorships. You can say they have provided venues for the BB to exhibit their bodies, but that's it. Their was BB before the IFBB. And the last time I checked the IFBB does not employ any of the competitors and pay them a yearly salary or even an hourly wage.
Exactly, the IFBB provides nothing to the members. They don't even come to bat for their members who don't get paid their winnings or get bounced checks. They sanction an event they should be 100% responsible for everything that goes on. They have no Quality COntrol whatsoever.
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How does the IFBB create income opportunities. It was BB that created the IFBB. Last time I checked the IFBB doesn't get anyone member jobs or sponsorships. You can say they have provided venues for the BB to exhibit their bodies, but that's it. Their was BB before the IFBB. And the last time I checked the IFBB does not employ any of the competitors and pay them a yearly salary or even an hourly wage.
For a start it sanctions shows which memners can then compete in. They can also make guest appearances at NPC in the US and IFBB shows worldwide - over 150 countries. Exposure in FLEX and other magazines can lead to endorsement contracts.
Nobody is saying bodybuilding wasn't around before the IFBB and I think you'll find that most federations don't emply athletes.
THe disaprity between what the top guys and the lower placing huys make is a result of market forces and is even less than a sport like boxog. I've been to fights where the headliner was getting over $2 million and guys on the undercard were getting $1K.
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For a start it sanctions shows which memners can then compete in. They can also make guest appearances at NPC in the US and IFBB shows worldwide - over 150 countries. Exposure in FLEX and other magazines can lead to endorsement contracts.
Nobody is saying bodybuilding wasn't around before the IFBB and I think you'll find that most federations don't emply athletes.
THe disaprity between what the top guys and the lower placing huys make is a result of market forces and is even less than a sport like boxog. I've been to fights where the headliner was getting over $2 million and guys on the undercard were getting $1K.
i guess you think we dont get out much ::)
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i guess you think we dont get out much ::)
I know some do, Others lead very sheltered live ::)
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For a start it sanctions shows which memners can then compete in. They can also make guest appearances at NPC in the US and IFBB shows worldwide - over 150 countries. Exposure in FLEX and other magazines can lead to endorsement contracts.
Nobody is saying bodybuilding wasn't around before the IFBB and I think you'll find that most federations don't emply athletes.
THe disaprity between what the top guys and the lower placing huys make is a result of market forces and is even less than a sport like boxog. I've been to fights where the headliner was getting over $2 million and guys on the undercard were getting $1K.
But the IFBB does not do any of this themselves. The sanction shows so members can compete in but only a select number make money. And the money does not come from the IFBB. And how many IFBB pros travel outside their immediate area except for US shows which are covered more. I mean how many pros from the US compete in other shows outside the country except a few. And actually the WWE employs their athletes and pays them very well. A pro baseball, football and basketball player are employeed by their team which is a member of their repsected organization (MLB, NBA, NFL). In addition, each of those organziations pay ot millions of dollars to each professional athlete from the profit sharing (sales of logo wear).
And many amatuers have sponsors too. Anyone can get a sponsor even if they have neevr won a show. Its all how you market yourself.
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But the IFBB does not do any of this themselves. The sanction shows so members can compete in but only a select number make money. And the money does not come from the IFBB. And how many IFBB pros travel outside their immediate area except for US shows which are covered more. I mean how many pros from the US compete in other shows outside the country except a few. And actually the WWE employs their athletes and pays them very well. A pro baseball, football and basketball player are employeed by their team which is a member of their repsected organization (MLB, NBA, NFL). In addition, each of those organziations pay ot millions of dollars to each professional athlete from the profit sharing (sales of logo wear).
And many amatuers have sponsors too. Anyone can get a sponsor even if they have neevr won a show. Its all how you market yourself.
The top guys in any INDIVIDUAL sport will always make far more money than those who don't place so we'll. Look at boxing, golf, tennis etc.
The NBA can pay out huge amounts of money to players because they get even larger amounts of money from sponsors like Nike. When was the last time you saw Nike sponsor a bodybuilding show? Yet, they spend more money on afverstising than all the supplement companies put together but they won't touch bodybuilding.
Quite a few athletes have competed outside the US, but they can also make guest appearancies all over the world. They can do this because of the IFBB.
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The top guys in any INDIVIDUAL sport will always make far more money than those who don't place so we'll. Look at boxing, golf, tennis etc.
The NBA can pay out huge amounts of money to players because they get even larger amounts of money from sponsors like Nike. When was the last time you saw Nike sponsor a bodybuilding show? Yet, they spend more money on afverstising than all the supplement companies put together but they won't touch bodybuilding.
Quite a few athletes have competed outside the US, but they can also make guest appearancies all over the world. They can do this because of the IFBB.
You are exactly right. The IFBB never went out to get large corporate sponsors for BB. The reason was they wanted to stay in control. The PDI will be solciting large corporate sponsors once the ball gets rolling. They will be more marketable to the general public than IFBB pros. And individual sports the champion doesn't always make the most. Anna Kornikova never won an event yet she made $10 million a year almost every year. And that is how it is with many pro athletes. Its the ones who are marektable that command the most money. Ronnie Coleman might be the reigning Mr. Olympia but he is also the one of the worst marketable guys there are in BB. He is not marketable at all. His body is not attractive to the majority of the public and he has absolutely no speaking skills whatsoever.
I have dealt with many major companies in my life for sponsorships and other business. I have a tremendous amount of contacts. WHat I want to do with Wayne is use my contacts to get large corporate sponsors. On paper back in 1987 or so I was promoting a high school armwrestling tournament for the entire country. Very detailed but in short our finals were going to happen at Disneyland in CA. and Chevrolet was going to give brand new Corvettes to the winners. We had all that on paper. Weiders was another major sponsor at the time. I am going for the big dogs on this and I am going to try to get a automobile company involved so that the overall winner at every PDI show in the US will get a car too. DOn't quote me but that is defintiely something I am going to look into. There are so many possiblities. The IFBB has absolutely NO creativity. Well I do and I am going to help Wayne get this going very good. I am not getting paid at this time and I could care less if I make any cash. It would be nice but don't need it. I am doing this cause I like doing it. I am going to help as mch as possible to get every PDI pro some sponsors and endorsements. I ain't promising a thing but I am going to try very hard. And if I decide to do something I usually get it done.
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On paper back in 1987 or so I was promoting a high school armwrestling tournament for the entire country. Very detailed but in short our finals were going to happen at Disneyland in CA. and Chevrolet was going to give brand new Corvettes to the winners. We had all that on paper. Weiders was another major sponsor at the time.
I ain't promising a thing but I am going to try very hard. And if I decide to do something I usually get it done.
What happened with the arm tournament?
Respect to anyone who tries to raise sponsorsgip for th athletes. It's a tough job.
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You can make good money off bodybuilding...without turning pro...or even if you turn pro..through personal training. I know quite a few good amatuers who make very good money doing personal training. Jerome Ferguson for example has a million dollar home is S Cal. and drives a H1 decked out with DVD's etc... He is a top amatuer, but never recieved a pro card. Hell I know people in Tulsa, Ok. That make nice 6 figure salaries personal training. You get out what your willing to put in. :)
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The IFBB never went out to get large corporate sponsors for BB. The reason was they wanted to stay in control.
Wayne told me that he'd tried to get interest from large corporations but they had absolutley no interest.
Corporate sponsorship does not equal losing control.
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What happened with the arm tournament?
Respect to anyone who tries to raise sponsorsgip for th athletes. It's a tough job.
We first did a SO. Cal contest. Had 20 somethign high schools involved. The IAC was sanctioning the event (the guys who di the movie Over The Top, I owned 33%) Weider was a major sponsor for this event. The following year we had a nationwide tournament planned with the country divided into 5 or six sections. Regionals events would take place, then sectionals then the finals at Disneyland. Chevrolet was not part of the first event. Really only Weider and some smaller local companies. But, for many months I was promoting and advertising what the winners were getting and everything else. Well the day before the show which was held at the Redondo Beach Civic I had to go to Weiders in Woodland Hills I think and pickup the prizes he was donating. Abouit $100,000 in equipment, supplements, clothing, and other stuff. Allot fo stuff. I had a really nice prize package for all the winners. And in armwrestling you can have as many as 13 classes. Anyway when I got to the warehouse with a big step van they should me the work order and it was cut in half. I argued and everything but they said they hadno choice. So they loaded up the truck. I showed up wiht not enough stuff as I promised. I did the show which was a sellout big time. There were maybe 2000 high school kids in the place. It was awesome. But I had t tell everyone what happened with the prizes and allot of parents were pissed as were some of the kids. Anyway, I got pissed and after the show I decided not to do the event with these guys. And it just didn't happen cause I did most of the work putting everythign together and no one else knew anything. I hooked up the Vettes, airfares, the location, rental car and a bunch of other shit.
The one thing I am good at is raising money for others. I am always asked to help get sponsors for so many events. I like doing it.
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The one thing I am good at is raising money for others. I am always asked to help get sponsors for so many events. I like doing it.
Well I have a great event I'm trying to plan. It's to send a photographer on a round the world trup, first class, staying at the best hotels in each of 30 countries.
Get raising!!!!!!!!!
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The top guys in any INDIVIDUAL sport will always make far more money than those who don't place so we'll. Look at boxing, golf, tennis etc.
The NBA can pay out huge amounts of money to players because they get even larger amounts of money from sponsors like Nike. When was the last time you saw Nike sponsor a bodybuilding show? Yet, they spend more money on afverstising than all the supplement companies put together but they won't touch bodybuilding.
Quite a few athletes have competed outside the US, but they can also make guest appearancies all over the world. They can do this because of the IFBB.
I am trying out with the cleveland cavs next week.
If that does not work....American Idol baby!
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If that does not work....American Idol baby!
I won British Idle
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I won British Idle
Is that the show where you wear plaid skirts and dance around tapping your feet?
Man, I want to learn that......
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Is that the show where you wear plaid skirts and dance around tapping your feet?
Man, I want to learn that......
I have an instructional DVD out, it's in Braille and available from all good thrift stores.
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Totally understood and it's a good thread idea.
I have to say, though, that a person can likely make money in either. For all its faults, the IFBB has helped to create income opportunities for a LOT of people. I have and always will give them credit for that. For the athletes, it's a matter of knowing how to take advantage of that tremendous network.
Unfortunately, though, most people know almost nothing about business. For those born and raised in America, the reason is simple - they weren't taught it, because there's no one to teach it. But over time, if they've been paying attention, they should've picked up some knowledge along the way.
The same marketing network won't exist the first day the PDI opens, but there's no reason to believe they won't be able to develop the same in the years to come.
I agree with this.
Tre, do you employ athletes or do they generally pay you for your service?
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I agree with this.
Tre, do you employ athletes or do they generally pay you for your service?
In general, either I am paying the athletes or we're doing a service trade - that is, her time spent modeling in exchange for my time shooting her.
I still have one sponsored athlete ongoing, and do a few one-time sponsorships each year. Although I have scaled back my event sponsorships, I'm still paying out a very substantial amount of model fees each month.
Sure, someone could argue that any federation could've created such income opportunities (both for myself and for the women I work with), but the reality is that the IFBB did it. That is why, despite all my criticisms, I do want to see the federation continue to be successful.