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I was kinda surprised myself that it ended so quick, royce did not look too happy at the end there. Anyone think he can train himself to actually compete and be a force in the UFC again?
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I thought it would be close until I realized that he'd had a couple of draws during his comeback. Still good but looks to be just a little too old now.
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lol old! hes not even 40! How old was couture when he re-tired?
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im a huge gracie family fan but hughes clearly dominated him,no excuses here.the fights on youtube for the people that want to see it
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He took a few brutal shots to the head in the end there, it was almost like he did not know what to do but maybe there was nothing he could do to get out from under Matt. ::)
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I was kinda surprised myself that it ended so quick, royce did not look too happy at the end there. Anyone think he can train himself to actually compete and be a force in the UFC again?
You cant be all submission like Royce now days. Back when he was dominating no one really knew much about ground fighting. Now all of the UFC fighters are proffesionally trained that know how to fight on the ground and standing up.
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lol old! hes not even 40! How old was couture when he re-tired?
Of course 40's old competing with a highly-conditioned athlete much younger and stronger. He could get away with it against lesser opponents only. The age factor would be even bigger considering the long layoff, even considering the recent tune-up fights. He probably knew that, but was able to generate a last big payday out of it.
Video:
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/huges%20vs%20gracie%20ufc%2060/video/205444
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hughes had to learn jiu jitsu to be the beast he is today in the ufc,hughes was just a great wrestler and that was it,dennis hallman choked him out twice with his jiu jitsu skills and exposed mat.hughes worked very hard under jeremy horn and pat militich to sharpen his jiu jitsu skills so he wouldnt get caught in those jiu jitsu moves again,even though royce lost he still comes out a winner in the sense that mat had to learn jiu jitsu to be the champ he is in the octagon.mat is a great champ and i congradulate him on his impressive win last night,also i thank royce gracie for being the great pioneer he was and showing the world that you need to know ground techniques to be effective in mma,we all know that striking is just as important these days and you got to be well rounded or it just wont cut it,thanks for reading
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http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/huges%20vs%20gracie%20ufc%2060/video/205444
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It was a total bummer seeing that fight. I know it was a looong shot for Royce, but I still hoped he would pull it off. Matt dominated and was the better fighter...period. Not sure why Royce even did this...nothing to prove.
What do you think the payday was ???
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i heard royce got 1.5mill for the fight plus a percentage of the ppv,s,im not sure if thats true or not i just heard it
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Thats pretty good pay for taking a beating ;D
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Matt Hughes legend killer
can't wait for the rematch between Hughes and GSP
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I hope GSP mops the floor with him...
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Thanks for the quick post!!!!!
Hughes clearly owned 'em from the get go.
Thanks again for the post!
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I was kinda surprised myself that it ended so quick, royce did not look too happy at the end there. Anyone think he can train himself to actually compete and be a force in the UFC again?
Royce Gracie fought beat a lot of people much larger than he was but they were mostly unskilled and did not know how to deal with jujitsu. Anyone can admit that Royce Gracie is a legendary fighter.
However, the UFC has changed greatly. Fighters have adapted to the power of jujistu and the sport has evolved and the fight with Matt Hughes pretty much proves it. Matt Hughes won his title by Powerbombing the former champ unconcious. He's knocked out people as well as submitted them and he cannot be beaten easy. That second fight against Frank Trigg make me realize just how good Matt is. He took all of his punches when he was getting pummeled and then picked him up and slammed him all the way accross the other side of the ring, beat the dude senseless, and then choked him out. Now that's crazy if you ask me.
Matt Hughes is essentially all-in-one fighting machine.
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Wallid showed his weakness at gi jiu-jitsu. Saku dominated him in MMA. Now, Hughes puts the nail in the coffin.
The first time I went to Brazil, I was surprised that the guys I met there had no respect or awe for Royce what so ever. They felt his jiu-jitsu was only average, and any one of them could have accomplished the same things he did. I thought they just jealous, but now I think there was some truth to their words. Rickson is another story. None of the guys had anything but respect for him.
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Not sure why Royce even did this...nothing to prove.
Royce had A LOT to prove. Everybody thought the fighters of today had surpassed him and that he was too one dimensional to be able to compete.
Everybody was right.
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Royce lost because he had no Ghi on to use as a crutch like he did in the old days.
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The draws were in fights where they agreed to make it a draw (no judges) if it went the distance.
I thought the fight would go this way but was way to scared to call it.
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Give Royce his due. Huges defeated him using jiu-jitsu techniques. He clearly broke Royce's arm but he never tapped out. He never tapped out while he was being punched. The ref stopped the fight. Royce soaking wet doesn't weigh over 180. His striking game is weak but is heart is something no one can challenge. If it wasn't for Royce everyone would think an average black belt Karate guy was the man. How many Karate guys had to hide in shame after guys started practicing Jiu-jitsu after seeing Royce? I know a lot of Karate black belts in my state NJ ran to Royce's cousin Renzo and Craig Kukuk dojo after watching Royce destroy guys in the early days of UFC. The first day in class they would have their black belt on. When they were submitted by white belts they would show up for the next class with a white belt on.
If one thing that mixed martial arts contests have shown. No one is invincible. For us to put down Royce shows how shallow some followers of this sport are. Huges is a great, great fighter. He also will be defeated in time by the new next great fighter. Royce even said prior to the fight that if he is defeated with a arm bar or a ground fighting technique it will be a tribute to his family.
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Still he did'nt look to happy, It would be kinda neat to see what he could do with some updated training. I wonder if some other gracie fighter will come out to fight soon? ::)
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His training is updated. He is fighting a guy that is twice as strong as he is. Royce couldn't bench 225 in his life. His arms are under 15 inches. He is a VW bug going against a souped up Ferrari in Huges. Royce could train Huges in technique. Again it is a tribute to his family that everyone is training in ground technique. The gracie family is small but I bet Rickson, Royce, Renzo, Reylor,Rorian and the rest are great fighters never backing down from the world's best. If they lose a fight it's not a knock against the family. Rorian Gracie let the ground fighting secret out of the bag with UFC 1. Now they are being put down for losing fights. I don't get it.
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Anyone have a link to watch this fight or is it on the net yet???? If so, please post, for all of us cheap bastards to enjoy... ;)
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It was a total bummer seeing that fight. I know it was a looong shot for Royce, but I still hoped he would pull it off. Matt dominated and was the better fighter...period. Not sure why Royce even did this...nothing to prove.
What do you think the payday was ???
Agreed.
Boy, Hughes was just so much stronger.
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Give Royce his due. Huges defeated him using jiu-jitsu techniques. He clearly broke Royce's arm but he never tapped out. He never tapped out while he was being punched. The ref stopped the fight. Royce soaking wet doesn't weigh over 180. His striking game is weak but is heart is something no one can challenge. If it wasn't for Royce everyone would think an average black belt Karate guy was the man. How many Karate guys had to hide in shame after guys started practicing Jiu-jitsu after seeing Royce? I know a lot of Karate black belts in my state NJ ran to Royce's cousin Renzo and Craig Kukuk dojo after watching Royce destroy guys in the early days of UFC. The first day in class they would have their black belt on. When they were submitted by white belts they would show up for the next class with a white belt on.
If one thing that mixed martial arts contests have shown. No one is invincible. For us to put down Royce shows how shallow some followers of this sport are. Huges is a great, great fighter. He also will be defeated in time by the new next great fighter. Royce even said prior to the fight that if he is defeated with a arm bar or a ground fighting technique it will be a tribute to his family.
Absolutely great post, brother.
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The link for the fight as posted earlier:
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/huges%20vs%20gracie%20ufc%2060/video/205444
Just looked like Hughes overpowered him, and was able to counter any moves.
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What kind of drug tests are they using in the UFC? Hughes looked jacked up...
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hughes would'nt look that big standing next to you..
and old timer's post was where it's at...
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The guy is 5'9" and super lean at 175. His delts/triceps looked dense and big. I could be wrong, but he looks "geared up"...
(http://media.ufc.tv/i.cfc?method=get&s=7426B382-1422-0E8C-9A692ED72D83198D.jpg&cs=1)
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hate to hear what people would say about ME if THAT's geared up!
he's kinda a scrawn...woudln't you see a difference in his size over time if he was using? ??? he had to have been a stick before if he's juicing for fights NOW
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It's not becasue of his size. Gear does much more than give you size. It also gives you a hard/dense look. Pure speculation on my part...
(http://media.ufc.tv/i.cfc?method=get&s=74272BA0-1422-0E8C-9A94DC3C2ACB104C.jpg&w=550&cs=1)
...now Royce, clearly not on gear.
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gracie looks like he needs to raid the fridge a little more often.. :-\
you're right though hughes does look hard as nails though
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Pumpster, thanks for the link, looks like Royce wasn't even ready for this fight...It is orobably true, the sport has surpassed his time, he was GREAT when it first came about, but everyone has learned a different style of fighting and Gracie was stuck in the past.....
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Hughes is a true genetic freak. He probably is clean (IMHO). He has an identical twin who supposedly doesn't work out anymore and has nearly the same physique.
BTW, Gracie says that he's disappointed in his showing and will fight again before '06 is up...
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well thats cool, wonder who he would be matched up against? An old rival or some one new (to him) again
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Hughes has been doing manual labour his whole life, and he does lift weights (good diet + supplements). His physique isn't anything that can't be done naturally. He is just a wrestler, and as such has the big traps that go along with that sport.
To those that are saying he won in large part due to the strength advantage... He won because he's a much better overall fighter (not even in the same league) than Gracie. He is much better trained and Hughes has evolved with the sport. No other "excuses" are needed, Gracie is a dinosaur and he should have stuck in the 90's where he belonged.
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anyone would look geared up standin next to royce
this fight simply should not have been made
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i think hughes is great and waxed royces ass,no excuse from me,BUT for me to really see hughes as the best in that weight class he needs to beat bj penn in a rematch,im sure some will agree
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looks like Royce wasn't even ready for this fight...It is orobably true, the sport has surpassed his time, he was GREAT when it first came about
That pic says alot: Gracie doesn't even look into it.
Probably came back for the payday, knowing that he couldn't bring the same level anymore.
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also alot of people keep saying bjj stinks and this and that but thats not true,this is mma not wrestling,not bjj,not boxing,not thia but a blend of all of them,do yous really think if mat never crossed trained in bjj,boxing,thia boxing ect that he would be the dominent champ he is today,i highly doubt it.if that was the case then randy would have owned chuck in the last 2 times they fought cause randy is clearly the better wrestler,10 years ago mattered,we all seen coleman dominate by using mostly wrestling,we saw royce win using 90 percent bjj and it was clear back then if you had a great ground n pound or good bjj or any other very good art that used ground techniques and throws such as judo you could go far.times have changed and that just wont cut it anymore,i cant believe some of the threads im reading on the other mma sites talking about how mat hughes proved wrestling is better then bjj,its nonsense,you must know alittle of everything,jeremy horn is a great submission fighter with average wrestling skills,yet you see hughes spending hours on end training with jeremy,its obvious hughes aint working with horn to sharpen his wrestling,hes working on his technique in submissions and submission defense,mat even when he trains wrestling he goes to places that just wrestle,like training with the iowa state wrestling team,thanks for reading
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Royce comes and says he´s going to win by submission, and not punish the guy so much, "cause that not my style". Thats a wacko thing to say before a match. I knew he was going to lose then. He should train muay thai only, 7 days a week, 3 times 2 hours aday. He should not roll at this point, lol.
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also alot of people keep saying bjj stinks and this and that but thats not true,this is mma not wrestling,not bjj,not boxing,not thia but a blend of all of them,do yous really think if mat never crossed trained in bjj,boxing,thia boxing ect that he would be the dominent champ he is today,i highly doubt it.if that was the case then randy would have owned chuck in the last 2 times they fought cause randy is clearly the better wrestler,10 years ago mattered,we all seen coleman dominate by using mostly wrestling,we saw royce win using 90 percent bjj and it was clear back then if you had a great ground n pound or good bjj or any other very good art that used ground techniques and throws such as judo you could go far.times have changed and that just wont cut it anymore,i cant believe some of the threads im reading on the other mma sites talking about how mat hughes proved wrestling is better then bjj,its nonsense,you must know alittle of everything,jeremy horn is a great submission fighter with average wrestling skills,yet you see hughes spending hours on end training with jeremy,its obvious hughes aint working with horn to sharpen his wrestling,hes working on his technique in submissions and submission defense,mat even when he trains wrestling he goes to places that just wrestle,like training with the iowa state wrestling team,thanks for reading
Good post; it's the well rounded fighter who dominates today...
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The guy is 5'9" and super lean at 175. His delts/triceps looked dense and big. I could be wrong, but he looks "geared up"...
(http://media.ufc.tv/i.cfc?method=get&s=7426B382-1422-0E8C-9A692ED72D83198D.jpg&cs=1)
Dense and big? I'm not seeing what you're seeing.
It sounds like you're hating on Hughes. Do you have something against him?
Hughes is the man, he's the king of that division. Sounds like you only begrudgingly admit how good Hughes is.
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I have gotten back into MMA recently over the last year or so and Matt Hughes is just the most balanced fighter I have ever seen. To damn strong, great on the mat, getting better and better with subs and striking. Just dominant. What else can he do at the welterweight level? Gracie on the other hand can still be competitive but the game in a sense has passed him by IMO.
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Hughes should've kept punching Gracie in the head even after the ref stopped the fight, everyone knows Gracie never respected tap outs by his opponents and kept chocking or breaking even after the fight was stopped. Gracie deserved to be humilated a bit. Hughes is the man.
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:o ................... ;D Thats right too!
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I was very surprised at the outcome....and lost some money :-\
Royce should at least take some comfort in the fact that if it were not for him and his family...Matt would not be the fighter he is today..nor would many others. (Since the Gracies brought BJJ to America)
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Dense and big? I'm not seeing what you're seeing.
It sounds like you're hating on Hughes. Do you have something against him?
Hughes is the man, he's the king of that division. Sounds like you only begrudgingly admit how good Hughes is.
Dude get real..."hating on him" ::) I don't know the guy. I've said nothing against him personally. So no I'm not "hating". Clearly he is at the top of his game and a dominating fighter in his class. He is as well rounded as they come. However, we all have our favorties that we root for, and for me Matt is not one of them. I'm very much looking forward to the rematch with GSP. Both have improved big time since their last encounter. It should be an awesome fight...
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People here don't want to hear it, but Royce has been way over-rated from the start. There are plenty of guys in Brazil that would have owned him then and now. That is a fact.
Yes, Rorion brought jiu-jitsu here (actually he was not the first Gracie here, it was Carly). But he was by far and away, the best promoter. It wasn't for any noble cause, it was to make a living (a very good one).
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Dude get real..."hating on him" ::) I don't know the guy. I've said nothing against him personally. So no I'm not "hating". Clearly he is at the top of his game and a dominating fighter in his class. He is as well rounded as they come. However, we all have our favorties that we root for, and for me Matt is not one of them. I'm very much looking forward to the rematch with GSP. Both have improved big time since their last encounter. It should be an awesome fight...
Dude, get real this post below along with your other post certainly looks like you're "hating" on him, obviously not on a personal level (bringing that up is a bit much) but certainly as a spectator watching a fighter.
Dude.
I hope GSP mops the floor with him...
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Dude, get real this post below along with your other post certainly looks like you're "hating" on him, obviously not on a personal level (bringing that up is a bit much) but certainly as a spectator watching a fighter.
Dude.
Bro, I don't "hate" anybody. I like GSP and I do hope he mops the floor with Matt, bro...
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Bro, I don't "hate" anybody. I like GSP and I do hope he mops the floor with Matt, bro...
Bro, are you really debating the semantics of hate and hating? Think of the word hating as a verb, you hating on someone doesn't necessarily mean you hate them, it means you're ragging on them.
As for GSP, he's fantastic, incredibly athletic and fun to watch and his elbows are devastating. As for him mopping the floor with Hughes, I don't see that happening but it's going to be an extremely entertaining fight.
I see Hughes winning a close match by submission.
Two years from now GSP will be the champ though, Hughes days are numbered.
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Bro, are you really debating the semantics of hate and hating? Think of the word hating as a verb, you hating on someone doesn't necessarily mean you hate them, it means you're ragging on them.
As for GSP, he's fantastic, incredibly athletic and fun to watch and his elbows are devastating. As for him mopping the floor with Hughes, I don't see that happening but it's going to be an extremely entertaining fight.
I see Hughes winning a close match by submission.
Two years from now GSP will be the champ though, Hughes days are numbered.
Okay then...I am ragging on Hughes. As for GSP, if he loses this one, I'm guessing he is off to Pride...
BTW, has this fight been scheduled yet ???
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Nah, they haven't announced the fight yet, but it is pretty much a sure bet to be on the UFC 62 card.