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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Nutrition, Products & Supplements Info => Topic started by: adadrian on June 07, 2006, 03:06:42 AM
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well i just got "e. longifolia jack Andro Fuel and tribulus forumla"
and its my first time using it i'll start a 4 week or so cycle next week, i was wondering (for a natural body builder)
how good is it? will i see dramatic improvements or what?
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You might get more horny but I don't think its going to add significantly in muscle growth. Protein, glutamine etc: will definately aid in this. Ive used tribulus during an as cycle and it does act somewhat as a pct. Longjack root if thats what your using is similar to tribulus but more direcltly influences penile health. Do a search on the web for Longjack root its pretty interesting in what its actually used for.
Tribulus became a hot item ever since the removed the pro hormones from the shelves.
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Long Jack, specifically Eurycoma 1500 has always given me great results. Great addition to a PCT cause it gets your libido going almost instantly. Much stronger than any tribulus that's for sure. Also it does improve my mood, and tribulus does not.
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Not very good from the research I've seen:
"In one of the few well-controlled studies to examine the effects of tribulus terrestris on body composition and exercise performance looked at 15 resistance-trained males. Subjects received either a placebo or a large dose of tribulus (1.5mg per pound of body weight per day for 2 months). Results showed no changes in body weight, percentage fat, total muscle mass or muscle strength related to tribulus supplementation."
citing 1. Antonio J, Uelmen J, Rodriguez R, Earnest C. The effects of Tribulus terrestris on body composition and exercise performance in resistance-trained males. Int J Sport Nutr Exerc Metab. 2000 Jun;10(2):208-15. 2.
http://www.supplementwatch.com/suplib/supplement.asp?DocId=1263
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I've cycled it a few times over the years, using different brands and I still think its a waste of money. I get a better workout by simply eating another meal or two throughout the day. Nothing glamorous. Good luck.
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Spend that money on FOOD.
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Most of the studies that I have reports on have found that trib doesn't do anything, however, there are a lot of people who seem to "feel" like it works (placebo?) so I would say if you have the extra $$ give it a whirl but don't expect much if anything.
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i spent like 100 dollars on a bottle,,,,for like one 4-5 week cycle....rediclious
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Start eating broccoli for the anti estrogen effect it's wayyy better than tribulus
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I would have preferred to spend $100 on chicken breasts. But, over the years I've spent WAAAY more on worthless supp's than I should have and it would be a safe bet that most people here have done the same. What's really cool is that we have a place to discuss this kind of thing with other like minded lifters and get their input. Good luck in the future.
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It's not gonna pack on pounds of muscle, it's a libido enhancer... Duh.
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I seem to respond very well to trib. I know many people do not get the best results with this herb, I guess I just happen to respond better than most. For what it is worth I have always gotten better results with the trib that is not dirt cheap, I always did well on Tribestan(2 tabs 3 x a day), Vitrix(2 tabs 3 x a day), N1-T(followed label). I also should point out that the second 2 are formulas with other ingredients but still are comprised mainly of trib. I always used these products as PCT for various "designer supps." Adadarian I did use some of the product you have from Twinlab and found it was alright but I like the three I mentioned better.
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Of course you'll respond well to trib if you're comming off prohormones, your test levels are at girly levels by then. I think Viraloid is the most powerful natrual booster Ive used. Eurycoma 1500 gives me the most overall sense of well being.
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why do so-called natural guys always look for the closest thing to steroid like results in there products
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I know some people will use it after a cycle of a prohormone like 1-ad. It does help slightly raise natural testoterone levels, and get it back to normal after using a prohormone. But using just tribulus is not enough to get results
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^ True dat. Unless you are 40+.
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i tried trib 750 for 2 months... i noticed no effects
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i was thinking about getting some trib, but look slike i will hold off
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my mate used it and said he gained 5 kg on a 4 week cycle
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I've been using Tribulus for about three months, from Ultimate Nutrition. It's certainly been a help to me.
The way I use it is I combine 1500 mg (two pills) of Trib with 1000 mg (two pills) of GNC Acetyl-L-Carnitine and 1000 mg (two pills) of Vitamin C.
This is similar to the formula for Acetabolan-II from MuscleTech. I used Acetabolan several years ago and I liked the results I got from it (though at the time, it was the original formula which did not have Tribulus).
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i spent like 100 dollars on a bottle,,,,for like one 4-5 week cycle....rediclious
OUCH!!! Ultimate Nutrition's Tribulus product usually costs $21-$25 at GNC, though I've puchased it for as low as $16, with my Gold Card.
A standard bottle has 90 capsules, each of which has 750 mg of Tribulus Terrestris. Since I use two capsules, four times a week (on the days I train), a bottle will last me for quite a while.
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I've been using Tribulus for about three months, from Ultimate Nutrition. It's certainly been a help to me.
The way I use it is I combine 1500 mg (two pills) of Trib with 1000 mg (two pills) of GNC Acetyl-L-Carnitine and 1000 mg (two pills) of Vitamin C.
This is similar to the formula for Acetabolan-II from MuscleTech. I used Acetabolan several years ago and I liked the results I got from it (though at the time, it was the original formula which did not have Tribulus).
How do you know the tribulus did anything? I have the same ones and they never did much for me. Though I'm 21 and my test levels are already way over 1000ng/dl...
How old are you? That will influence how well you respond to a natrual test booster.
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OUCH!!! Ultimate Nutrition's Tribulus product usually costs $21-$25 at GNC, though I've puchased it for as low as $16, with my Gold Card.
A standard bottle has 90 capsules, each of which has 750 mg of Tribulus Terrestris. Since I use two capsules, four times a week (on the days I train), a bottle will last me for quite a while.
tribuplex750 by mrm. as most bb'ers like to do, i took more than the recommended dose. spread out 1-15 caps thru the day. 5-6 of em before training. gives me the animal feeling.
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How do you know the tribulus did anything? I have the same ones and they never did much for me. Though I'm 21 and my test levels are already way over 1000ng/dl...
How old are you? That will influence how well you respond to a natrual test booster.
I've used that same Trib product before, without the ALC. And, it worked fairly well. I've also used an ALC product without Trib (i.e the original Acetabolan), I know how it works as well. So, I thought combining the two would work even better. As expected, it did. I can train longer and heavier, do more sets, and (most importantly) RECOVER.
As for my age, I just turned 33. I thought no one under age 24 was supposed to be taking Tribulus. I forgot where I read that. Was it on the label of a particular Trib product or an article in a magazine?
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tribuplex750 by mrm. as most bb'ers like to do, i took more than the recommended dose. spread out 1-15 caps thru the day. 5-6 of em before training. gives me the animal feeling.
As stated earlier, I only take 2 capsules (1500 mg) on the 4 days a week that I train, 1-1.5 hours before hitting the weights.
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Not very good from the research I've seen:
"In one of the few well-controlled studies to examine the effects of tribulus terrestris on body composition and exercise performance looked at 15 resistance-trained males. Subjects received either a placebo or a large dose of tribulus (1.5mg per pound of body weight per day for 2 months). Results showed no changes in body weight, percentage fat, total muscle mass or muscle strength related to tribulus supplementation."
citing 1. Antonio J, Uelmen J, Rodriguez R, Earnest C. The effects of Tribulus terrestris on body composition and exercise performance in resistance-trained males. Int J Sport Nutr Exerc Metab. 2000 Jun;10(2):208-15. 2.
http://www.supplementwatch.com/suplib/supplement.asp?DocId=1263
Ummm......I'll go out on a limb here and say that the reason those guys didn't get any significant results from Trib is because they took TOO LITTLE of the testosterone-boosting herb.
1.5 mg per pound of bodyweight? For a 200-lb man, that only 300 mg of Trib. Heck, one capsule of Ultimate Nutrition's Tribulus Terrestris has TWO AND A HALF TIMES as much TT as what these folks called a "large dose".
And, that's assuming that all the guys in this "experiment" weighed at least 200 lbs. People who perform these type of studies tend to use average-sized men.
I don't know about you, but I don't consider a third of a Trib capsule a "large dose". I use 1500 mg of Tribulus Terrestris; that's over SIX (6) mg per lb of bodyweight for me.
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As stated earlier, I only take 2 capsules (1500 mg) on the 4 days a week that I train, 1-1.5 hours before hitting the weights.
i take the dose that i want to, and it aint no 1.5 grams. the guy asked how good is trib and some people say worthless and i telling my experience with the stuff.
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Obviously, I would have preferred a study with different parameters so your point is a worthy one. On the other hand, there's no data out there of which I am aware (and please correct me if I'm wrong and post the study) that demonstrates any muscle building benefit. I've taken large doses of the stuff and not seen any dramatic changes from when I'm not taking it. Given the absence of measurable benefit and scientific support, most guys are better off spending their $50 on other supplements. I would love to believe it works, but you know the old saying, if it did, it would be banned.
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i take the dose that i want to, and it aint no 1.5 grams. the guy asked how good is trib and some people say worthless and i telling my experience with the stuff.
As am I. Our posts make a similar point. We both take more Tribulus than what the folks, particularly in the study that MidniteRambo linked, claim is a "large dose". I use that particular dosage, because that's the amount that, to date, has been effective for me. I've considered going a bit higher, which I could do, given how relatively inexpensive Ultimate Nutrition's Tribulus Terrestris is. But, right now 2 capsules seems to be getting it done.
How effective Trib actually is may depend on how much you take. But, it's safe to say that 1.5 mg per pound of bodyweight is FAR from enough to reap any benefits.
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Obviously, I would have preferred a study with different parameters so your point is a worthy one. On the other hand, there's no data out there of which I am aware (and please correct me if I'm wrong and post the study) that demonstrates any muscle building benefit. I've taken large doses of the stuff and not seen any dramatic changes from when I'm not taking it. Given the absence of measurable benefit and scientific support, most guys are better off spending their $50 on other supplements. I would love to believe it works, but you know the old saying, if it did, it would be banned.
This is not the first time some "mainstream" scientists have deemed a particular nutritional supplement as ineffective, or causing no significant gains in mass (that's been done with creatine, as well). As is often the case, the subjects used too little of the supplement in question to merit any benefit.
If the guys in this study were taking Trib the way those pursuing bodybuilding goals are instructed to take it, yet reaped little benefit, that would be another story. But, taking a third of a pill of Tribulus Terrestris (or any other supplement, for that matter) won't produce a thing for anybody.
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I swear by the stuff. I use it as a pre-workout stim. It gives me energy to hit the gym. I stack it with: vit c, saw palmetto, caffeine and a tea or coffee.
It's dirt cheap as far as I'm concerned, because 3 pills before the gym work for me. I'm horny all day long, and I can't complain about that.
I only get acne when I'm on the stuff, and my skin gets greasey too. So how can you explain that?
I also find it gives me more of a healty glow than just green tea alone. I like that effect. Ya Hoo, I feel like a teen again. hehe
Yes, someone mentioned brocoli. That's great stuff. I eat it as much as I can. I'm going to try to eat a bit everyday. I figure I'll have some before bed starting next week. I'll have it right after my creating, milk protein drink.
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I swear by the stuff. I use it as a pre-workout stim. It gives me energy to hit the gym. I stack it with: vit c, saw palmetto, caffeine and a tea or coffee.
It's dirt cheap as far as I'm concerned, because 3 pills before the gym work for me. I'm horny all day long, and I can't complain about that.
I only get acne when I'm on the stuff, and my skin gets greasey too. So how can you explain that?
I also find it gives me more of a healty glow than just green tea alone. I like that effect. Ya Hoo, I feel like a teen again. hehe
Yes, someone mentioned brocoli. That's great stuff. I eat it as much as I can. I'm going to try to eat a bit everyday. I figure I'll have some before bed starting next week. I'll have it right after my creating, milk protein drink.
I've never developed acne or oily skin from using Tribulus. My wife got me some fron NOW Sports, as she couldn't find the kind from Ultimate Nutrition that I normally use. I hope the quality is the same. The NOW caps are only 500 mg each, instead of 750 mg like those from Ultimate. That means I'll have to take three capsules a day instead of two, to get my usual 1500 mg.
I see that you use Vitamin C with your Trib; so, do I. Perhaps, you should add some ALC to the mix. That's what I've done and I like the results. I recommend GNC's grand (either the regular ALC capsules or the yellow ALC pills that also have alpha lipoic acid).