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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: elvis on June 10, 2006, 03:31:42 PM
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hey guy's, i am going in for some minor surgery on my neck, i am being put under (breathing tube and all) i have been "on" for 5 weeks now (750 test-e, 600 deca, and some ad-75 weeks 1-4.
anyone have any info on this subject?
thanks
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whats the question?
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I think he is wondering if there will be any complications while being knocked out, because he is on gear.
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well first off I would tell the Dr. that your on gear to be on the safe side,they wont and cant say anything to anyone.
I wont and cant say anything could happen when your under cause everyones body reacts differently!!!!
Just tell them that your on it and they can answer your question better for you its not a big deal.... good luck.
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thanks guys, yes that was the ?, sorry i wasnt specific. i guess i will just tell the doc. like u said.
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its better to hear it from the Doc.then one of us.
I really dont think theres to much to worry about but you just never know.
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Definetly go to a doc. I remember when I was supposed to be put under for a wisdom tooth extraction, as soon as I mentioned gear the surgeon said he didn't want to do it, and told me to come back when I was off, he said it can really mess up the anaesthetic and levels of stuff they give you.
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dude, surgery is a no no while on gear, you could bleed to death...
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See thats a perfect example of how usefull these boards are, I would have thought it would have been no big deal...........Thanks bros
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so this is what happend. i call tha doc the day b-4 surgery, he says "i dont know" tells me to ask anesthisialogist, so when i am in the room all hooked up he finally pops in, i tell him i am on AS and he has a melt down, i ask him what the risks are and he says "i dont know" and walks out. to make a long story short, they asked me to leave. and proceeded to lecture me on how my health and life are in danger... blh...blah...blah.
so, i still have no answer. nor did they and that is why i still have a f-in lump in my neck. what amazed me was the extreme lack of knowledge from these "professionals" (but knew enough to lecture)
till next time...keep growin
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roids will effect the way you heal .. plus effect your immune system .. so god help you when they open you up and all the beastys flood in .
other than that .... no probs what so ever ! ;)
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I would just stop for a few weeks and get the problem taken care of and then start back up.
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roids will effect the way you heal .. plus effect your immune system .. so god help you when they open you up and all the beastys flood in .
other than that .... no probs what so ever ! ;)
Exactly, gear inhibits your immune system (you don't recover from things like bleeding and surgery, not to mention colds and flu's as well) so you can imagine what the problem would be with going under the knife while on a cycle..
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Exactly, gear inhibits your immune system (you don't recover from things like bleeding and surgery, not to mention colds and flu's as well) so you can imagine what the problem would be with going under the knife while on a cycle..
Where on earth did you get that "information" from? :D
This entire thread is pretty darned funny to me.
Heres the deal..... using anabolics are similar to use of other illegal drugs in the minds of health care providers---ie surgeons and anesthesiologists. I'm willing to bet neither one of those two doctors have an actual clue what those drugs would do or if there would even be any negative effects from the surgery. HOWEVER, you (elvis) informed them prior to the surgery that you are partaking in drugs that are both illegal and at superphysiological doses (ie doses that are not those recommended by any commonly accepted medical formulary). Because of this, you have set up the potential for a huge can of worms for both of those doctors if they would go ahead and do the proceedure and there was a negative effect, such as you dying or suffering any sort of bad effects under anesthesia. That is a pretty cut and dry malpractice lawsuit. Because of the litigation happy nutjobs running around now days, that alone is reason enough to say they will not perform the surgery. Its not about negative effects of anabolic steroids, its about the doctors having to cover their rears to be able to stay in practice.
JK
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It's NOT about the negative side effects of the steroids, it's about the steroids lowering your immune system and interacting with the anasthaesic.
Regarding my 'information' I think pretty much anybody that knows anything about steroids knows that they lower your immune system, if you want to be really anal, I'll scour through my bookmarks tomorrow and find you the links.
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by telling the doctor or at that case any doctor you use gear wont that stay on your record medically and at any point be used against you or you being sick and they automatically label the problem as gear related
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it is just noted nobody but you and the Dr. will know.
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see thats what i thought but ive been told two different things from people one not to tell cause then they label all your problems to gear then second to tell cause if you have an understanding dr then there are things he may be able to help you with that can benefit you and your cycle on or off
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I had to go to the doctor once last year for some sinus thing once. I told him when he gave me an antibiotic that i was on gear. He asked me how long and I told him ive done a few 12 week cycles. He basically said I should go into re hab. Im like what the fuck. Never went back to that doctor again.
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Sometimes you find a awsome Dr. and then sometimes youll just
find a asshole.
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It's NOT about the negative side effects of the steroids, it's about the steroids lowering your immune system and interacting with the anasthaesic.
Regarding my 'information' I think pretty much anybody that knows anything about steroids knows that they lower your immune system, if you want to be really anal, I'll scour through my bookmarks tomorrow and find you the links.
I'm actually interested in the links. My understanding is that one of the few accepted medical uses of anabolic steroids now days is in the treatment of HIV/aids patients. It doesn't make much sense to use those drugs if they are immunosuppressive. In my profession, anabolics are used in severe cases of Feline Immunodeficiency Virus ("feline aids") and end stage kidney disease by some veterinarians. I've used those drugs with my patients and I have to say, if anything I saw an improvement of immune function in those cats. The only study to examine the effects of anabolic steroids on human immune function in HIV patients that I am aware of found that neither CD4 nor CD8 cell count were lowered in HIV-positive men with AIDS wasting treated with anabolic steroids. From a medical standpoint, my understanding is that its only certian drugs (for example Deca) that have a negative effect on the immune system and that is through the suppression of endogenous hormones, not a direct effect of inhibition of white blood cells and that effect is both dose and individual dependant. Testosterone will actually have a positive effect on the immune system, but the resultant suppression of the endogenous hormone by exogenous sources results in a "drug dependance" that can result in a "rebound effect" of decreased immune function when you stop taking the drug. Its not the actual drugs that cause immunosuppression, its the shutdown of the natural system and then going off the drugs that cause problems.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
JK
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I'm actually interested in the links. My understanding is that one of the few accepted medical uses of anabolic steroids now days is in the treatment of HIV/aids patients. It doesn't make much sense to use those drugs if they are immunosuppressive. In my profession, anabolics are used in severe cases of Feline Immunodeficiency Virus ("feline aids") and end stage kidney disease by some veterinarians. I've used those drugs with my patients and I have to say, if anything I saw an improvement of immune function in those cats. The only study to examine the effects of anabolic steroids on human immune function in HIV patients that I am aware of found that neither CD4 nor CD8 cell count were lowered in HIV-positive men with AIDS wasting treated with anabolic steroids. From a medical standpoint, my understanding is that its only certian drugs (for example Deca) that have a negative effect on the immune system and that is through the suppression of endogenous hormones, not a direct effect of inhibition of white blood cells and that effect is both dose and individual dependant. Testosterone will actually have a positive effect on the immune system, but the resultant suppression of the endogenous hormone by exogenous sources results in a "drug dependance" that can result in a "rebound effect" of decreased immune function when you stop taking the drug. Its not the actual drugs that cause immunosuppression, its the shutdown of the natural system and then going off the drugs that cause problems.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
JK
Vet i like your posts and agree with what you say, some of the stuff I read on here is scary lately.
Your post brings up an interesting thought. It seems like when I come away from gear cycles I always seem to get sick. I dont mean just a little cold but kind of a long viral syndrome, that lasts for months. I have wondered if this "rebound effect" is to blame?
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From a medical standpoint, my understanding is that its only certian drugs (for example Deca) that have a negative effect on the immune system and that is through the suppression of endogenous hormones, not a direct effect of inhibition of white blood cells and that effect is both dose and individual dependant. Testosterone will actually have a positive effect on the immune system, but the resultant suppression of the endogenous hormone by exogenous sources results in a "drug dependance" that can result in a "rebound effect" of decreased immune function when you stop taking the drug. Its not the actual drugs that cause immunosuppression, its the shutdown of the natural system and then going off the drugs that cause problems.
JK
You're 100% on the money, Your wording is just much better then mine :) Also considering bodybuilders (as stated by yourself earlier) use 'superphysiological doses' and not the standard 100-400mg EOW that medical practitioners recommend, the outcome is the same, natural test shutdown, resulting in 'other complications'. The only other point I was going to make was that most (if not all) bodybuilders use underground as well as vet gear and not just human grade testosterone or deca. So in reality there could be a ton of negative interactions between certain types of (underground) gear which may have impurities and contaminants and general anaesthesia. I've seen enough people have problems with certain types of gear firsthand... everything from abcesses to infections to nerve damage, and even worse. That was simply my point, believe me I have the utmost respect for your knowledge and understanding of anabolics and other hormones :)
Capt.EQ
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Ditto vet, GH and test have been successfully used for years now with HIV patients prolonging life and health. Immunosuppressive? Blood thinning? I do not know where some of you are getting your info but it is wrong. Anesthesia is the most dangerous part of any surgery but other then a perpensity of a more violent wake up gear has no affect on surgery. I have worked in an operating room for 12 years now as a nurse specializing in orthopaedics. Probably about 10% of the population I work with are juicing. And I have never seen a untoward outcome. If you think I am full of it just use some common sense; Of all the strength athetes that go under the knife have you ever heard of a bad outcome? I would argue that b/c of the overall better physical condition of people on gear that it is a positive benefit, so would some of the surgeons I work with. Off the the record of course because of litigation.
I'm actually interested in the links. My understanding is that one of the few accepted medical uses of anabolic steroids now days is in the treatment of HIV/aids patients. It doesn't make much sense to use those drugs if they are immunosuppressive. In my profession, anabolics are used in severe cases of Feline Immunodeficiency Virus ("feline aids") and end stage kidney disease by some veterinarians. I've used those drugs with my patients and I have to say, if anything I saw an improvement of immune function in those cats. The only study to examine the effects of anabolic steroids on human immune function in HIV patients that I am aware of found that neither CD4 nor CD8 cell count were lowered in HIV-positive men with AIDS wasting treated with anabolic steroids. From a medical standpoint, my understanding is that its only certian drugs (for example Deca) that have a negative effect on the immune system and that is through the suppression of endogenous hormones, not a direct effect of inhibition of white blood cells and that effect is both dose and individual dependant. Testosterone will actually have a positive effect on the immune system, but the resultant suppression of the endogenous hormone by exogenous sources results in a "drug dependance" that can result in a "rebound effect" of decreased immune function when you stop taking the drug. Its not the actual drugs that cause immunosuppression, its the shutdown of the natural system and then going off the drugs that cause problems.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
JK
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From personal experiance yeah I would say those that are on them recover ALOT quicker by leaps and bounds.
I get scared being put under, my chest beings to tighten I get anxious and feel like I cant breathe and then boom out and alwayswake up, like I had a nightmare I spring up and gasp for air, then I'm glad I made it out,haha.
Damn I can't believe you did that while they were prepping you for surgery, haha all of a sudden you finally break and tell them your using. When you tell a "oldschool" doctor that they think dirty needles, heart disease and liability!
The risks are high, you bleed more easilyIdont think there are not many risks with anethelsogy other than weight issues,they seem to dope me up more.
Also it's happend twice nowonce I'm going under they start asking you about lifting weights and you being talking,then you talk some more but your eyes are closing I wonder if you told them something you should not have????
Any stories on that VET :)
Also it's a huge liability for him toperform surgery on you and I doubt he will do the surgery now for that reason you need to know go out of that county, and they will be skeptical you coming from another county,won't they VET?
You need tobe off at least for 10 weeks and llet your body stablize,low doses of anavar of most likely fine though.