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Title: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: littleguns on June 14, 2006, 06:21:13 AM
For Getbiggers, lets please keep this post on track for a change. Thanks.

Milos,

Since my "Anyone have Milos' new DVD" got way out of control I am starting a new one..

I went ahead and purchased the DVD.

Watched the Nutrition section which was great; I started the diet 8 days ago.With the amount of Carbs you recommend, am I supposed to feel/look flat?

Thus far I have watched Ab, Ches, Tricep and Delt training......Perhaps I missed this part but what do you recommend for set / rep numbers?

Thanks in advance for your response....
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: littleguns on June 19, 2006, 08:40:41 AM
Milos, Luke......anyone?
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: mesmorph78 on June 19, 2006, 09:17:35 AM
dont ask milos.. questions like these...
i recently pmed him askin him for suggestions on a fresh tri routine.. u know to shock things...
yo which he replied...
buy my dvd's.... or i charge$ 350 and hr
i stated i dnt live in the us.. and i have his first dvd....
then he got rude.. so i left it at that...
serves me right for askin him of all persons for arm advide anyway..
 :D ;D
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on June 19, 2006, 10:09:16 AM
dont ask milos.. questions like these...
i recently pmed him askin him for suggestions on a fresh tri routine.. u know to shock things...
yo which he replied...
buy my dvd's.... or i charge$ 350 and hr
i stated i dnt live in the us.. and i have his first dvd....
then he got rude.. so i left it at that...
serves me right for askin him of all persons for arm advide anyway..
 :D ;D

Mesomorph - why don't you copy and post our correspondence?
So people could maybe see what really happened.

As far as questions directed to me - I always try to answer them.
In case of "littleguns" who actually purchased my DVD (not from me - BTW...so I am not making money if that is your point...) I would be more than happy to answer any particular questions he might have.

I just saw this thread and as I am in Aruba and have busy schedule today (training at 2pm, TV appearance at 5:30 and seminar for Olympic athletes of Aruba at 8pm) I cannot answer it right away...BUT I WILL.

Mesomorph - with your permission I can post your PM's so getbig people could see HOW RUDE I REALLY WAS....
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Stavios on June 19, 2006, 10:12:22 AM
Milos !!!

Just wanted to say that you look awesome in that recent pic with your daughter!

can't wait for your comeback  ;)
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: ieffinhatecardio on June 19, 2006, 10:12:41 AM
Mesomorph - with your permission I can post your PM's so getbig people could see HOW RUDE I REALLY WAS....

Milos, if you have proof that you didn't say the things Mesomorph is saying you did then I don't think you need his permission to defend yourself, just post the PM's.

He attacked your character if you have proof that refutes that then you don't need permission.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: DK II on June 19, 2006, 10:18:45 AM
Milos !!!

Just wanted to say that you look awesome in that recent pic with your daughter!

can't wait for your comeback  ;)

Just because nobody understood my post in the other thread:

You look really great in that pic!
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on June 19, 2006, 10:33:37 AM
Milos, if you have proof that you didn't say the things Mesomorph is saying you did then I don't think you need his permission to defend yourself, just post the PM's.

He attacked your character if you have proof that refutes that then you don't need permission.

Yes, he attacked me but I still ask for his permission to post PERSONAL message...
It is classy thing to do...even though he attacked me.

Like I said before - I have NO PROBLEM being attacked as I stand behind everything that I do or say.
I answered to mesomorph exactly like I would have told him to his face or post on this board...

With his permission - I will post those 3-4 corresponding PM's for everyone to judge how RUDE I really was (am)...
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on June 19, 2006, 10:42:32 AM
Milos !!!

Just wanted to say that you look awesome in that recent pic with your daughter!

can't wait for your comeback  ;)

Thank you.

I am far away from looking awesome - but I appreciate your comments and compliments.
I will step on the stage ONLY IF I can be better than ever...and I am working on it...

Due to my various business activities I cannot be 100% focused on competition - and because of that my preparation suffers (I train with full intensity but I am not eating enough...and that is huge problem).

While in all my competitive years as a pro (1991-2003) I could easily prepare for ANY show with 6 week notice - this time it is not realistic...
While I am lean enough to be able to be ready in 6 weeks - I am simply not big enough...

Winning only one out of 72 IFBB pro shows that I have entered means that I am not necessarily competing to win...I compete to accept the challenges I put in front of me - and my challenge for my next show is - TO BE BETTER THAN EVER BEFORE...Not winning, placing or anything else...it is simply improving...
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: ether on June 19, 2006, 11:00:00 AM
You look pretty damn good in that pic milos, your legs are insanely separated there and your arms have improved it seems.

I don't know why getbiggers would rip the guy for not giving lengthy advice on training, i mean PT is his job....not unrealistic to ask to be paid for what you do.

I've never seen the entire DVD, but, some clips on the BB.com website, they seem to be excellently done, although, I thought they were pretty much targeted to beginners.

I bet it would be an awesome gift for a beginner to weight lifting, like the arnold encyclopedia.

Good Luck w your comback milos, I would have liked to see you clean up against chick...but...stick to the under 65 yrs competitions!!!!
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: mesmorph78 on June 19, 2006, 03:32:10 PM
no milos i didnt attack you....
i got short with u after yyou were short with me....
if we misunderstood each other i digress the matter
its very commendable you have asked.. me first to post the pm contents.....
please feel free to if you feel the need to...
peace
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: youandme on June 19, 2006, 03:37:15 PM
Yeah if you reduced your carbs you will be flat, and kinda spongy at first but harden up real fast...waiting o see what Milos says about it

So was the nutrition part pretty cool? How long was it I am going to buy the dvd.
Let me know

Thanks
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Luke Wood on June 19, 2006, 08:32:05 PM
the nutrition is awsome!! very easy to understand and also very interesting. You will find that Milos talks about the different bodytypes in the DVD and how some people need alot of carbs and some need alot less. Protein though is always high! for bodybuilders especially. higher for the people on low carbs. Me personally when im getting ready for a show will take in all my carbs with meal 1 and post workout. Offseason i will take in anywhere 700-1000g carbs spaced over 7-10 meals. Protein precontest is at least 400g going up to 500g and offseason 300-350g.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: DAISUKE on June 19, 2006, 09:40:50 PM
the nutrition is awsome!! very easy to understand and also very interesting. You will find that Milos talks about the different bodytypes in the DVD and how some people need alot of carbs and some need alot less. Protein though is always high! for bodybuilders especially. higher for the people on low carbs. Me personally when im getting ready for a show will take in all my carbs with meal 1 and post workout. Offseason i will take in anywhere 700-1000g carbs spaced over 7-10 meals. Protein precontest is at least 400g going up to 500g and offseason 300-350g.
And it has a great effect on you belly.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: BeefMan on June 19, 2006, 11:32:19 PM
And it has a great effect on you belly.
shut up asshole.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Count Grishnackh on June 19, 2006, 11:39:26 PM
Luke & Milos, what do you think about Mentzer saying he usually took in 80-100g of protein per day, eating cake and ice cream the week before the Olympia?

He obviously wasn't b/s'ing to sell supplements and had an Olympian physique. Just insane genetics?

Also, how do you take in 700-1000g of carbs per day bulking? Are you drinking alot of them?
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Bast175 on June 19, 2006, 11:43:28 PM
shut up asshole.

no you shut up pussylips.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Luke Wood on June 20, 2006, 12:24:22 AM
Luke & Milos, what do you think about Mentzer saying he usually took in 80-100g of protein per day, eating cake and ice cream the week before the Olympia?

He obviously wasn't b/s'ing to sell supplements and had an Olympian physique. Just insane genetics?

Also, how do you take in 700-1000g of carbs per day bulking? Are you drinking alot of them?


I cannot question Mike's techniques or stratergies! he is a lengend with an incredible physic! i don't agree with the these fact but they may just have well worked very well for Mike, bit would not work well for me!

When im taking this amunt of carbs it not very hard. Mind you i do get hungry when im over 280lbs! i would take 125g carbs with meal 1 and 80g carbs with meals 2,3 and 4. 200g carbs after training. 100g carbs with meal 6. 50g carbs with meal 7.  Thats 715g carbs there. Now some days i train twice per day and i will get in at least another 200g carbs. I use alot of vitargo post workout. Other sources come from oatmeal, white and sweet potato, white and brown rice, banana's, bread and some yogurt.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Luke Wood on June 20, 2006, 04:23:53 AM
I still do 20mins after every workout (6 days per week) in the offseason.  45mins to an 1 hr precontest.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on June 20, 2006, 08:17:48 AM
As I got permission from MESO to post our correspondence in which I was RUDE and - AS I HAVE NO PROBLEM exposing my rude behavior - here it is:



#1) Our correspondence started with you (mesomorph78) posting this message in the thread about the DVD…(June 2nd)

mesmorph78
 Getbig III

Re: Anyone have Milos Sarcev new training DVD
« Reply #155 on: June 02, 2006, 09:11:47 AM »
Quote
milos you have not replied to my pm 



#2) My response


Milos_Sarcev
 Pros
 Getbig III

What pm?

#3) Your post:

mesmorph78
 Getbig III

 
the one i sent on wednesday...i'll send it again


#4) Your post:

mesmorph78
 
« Reply #194 on: June 03, 2006, 08:07:59 AM »
Quote
milos you still have not replied to my pm


#5) AT THIS POINT I HAVE ALREADY REALIZED THAT YOU MIGHT BE ONE OF THOSE GUYS THAT EXPECT AND DEMAND THE ANSWER (OR WHATEVER) FROM EVERYONE!
There are MUCH nicer ways of asking if someone have received certain message and than if they would be so kind to answer it…

#6) Here is your PM:

mesmorph78
 Getbig III

 
wsup
milos..
ok...  i have good triceps.. but i have Great biceps... dense and peaked... that they somewhat detract from my tris...which are very striated..and seperaed... the long head of my tris is great..and dominates the the outer head...
what  excercises or routin would you recommend to bing up the outer head?

#7) My PM to you:

Milos_Sarcev
Get that DVD we are talking about and you'll get ALL the info...
That is exactly what DVD is for...

#8) Your PM:

i have tooo many dvd's
including your first one which was very informative

i would like to hear it from your mouth...
the lateral tri head... how woul you advide.. hitting it 




#9) My response to you:

Milos_Sarcev
You can hire me for my normal fee of $350/hour...or you can get DVD for I believe $29.99...
I have no problem if you insist hearing it from my mouth...

#10) Your PM:

hmmm
1 i dont live in america...

2. im just askin for some adice... to shake up my routine..
i have a good physique... but i always try to learn .. more.. and i always help anyone who askes my advice honestly...
but if you feel you cannot impart knowledge without a fee.. fair play to you...
thank you for your time..
mesomorph


#11) My response to you:

Milos_Sarcev
Hmmmm,

many people don't leave in America and still hire me for consultation...

I help thousands of people on daily basis...but for people that expect things - I purposely chose NOT TO HELP FOR FREE...

My DVD is filled with first class info - exactly about WHAT YOU ARE ASKING...

#12) Your PM:

i was just askin ... from one lifter to another.. i frequent jd dawudos gym... i ask him stuff all the time.... about trainin and what excercises he used for specific areas
he has never come out...some thing like.... oh i charge... $300 as session.. i think you went just a little bit of ahead of yourself with that statement.. i already told you i owned your first dvd...
and you wonder why some guys flame some of you pros...
 
anyway thanks for your time and advice..
meso out


#13) My response to you:

Oh, you break my heart...
I do wonder why some guys flame some pros...but only until I find out why...
People like you that expect things for free and wonder why professionals actually CHARGE for services should maybe go to doctor and lawyer and ask them specific questions and request service for free...

After all JD does it...

I give FREE advice to thousands of people on regular basis...With you I sensed something - and I was not wrong...

Get that DVD - and IF you don't learn anything - I will personally refund you the money...
How about that?

#14) Your PM:

I dont walk around expecting anything free... please take your head from the clouds...
I have at least 30 bb dvd's bought.... not downloaded...
fella i didnt ask you to... tell me how to train i need no man alive to tell me. that.. i have a very good genetics and good physique without drugs... and that is the line between a pro and a guy with a mentality like mine.. please do not delude yourself into thing im just some mere fan boy... in awe of pros.. that would be a very silly ASSumption... ..
i like lifting.. and whenever i see a fellow lifter anywhere in a club... anywhere... i always ask question regardless of the level... because i always like to learn which is key...
i already told you... i have your first dvd...
now with an attitude such as you have shown me.. roles reversed would you buy my dvd (that is a rhetorical question btw)
"milos what excersises do you think will exclusively help bring up the lateral head of the tri"
i charge $350 per session or buy my dvd

Dude get over yourself...please...
you know what? in fact forget i even pmed you.
meso


#15) My response to you:

I already forgot your PM...
With attitude like yours - I have nothing else to tell you...
Mr, great genetics, good physique without drugs, great biceps and so so triceps...etc, etc...

My head is on my shoulders and I have no problem telling some selfish user like yourself thing or two about life...
I charge 350 and that is my professional fee...too bad you want my advice but you are SELFISH enough to pay that...What's more I gave you even a personal guarantee I would return you a money for dvd - just to make you realize how cheap you really are...

My attitude is in check...Always has been...of course not for a guys like you - but for those kind of guys I don't care too much...anyway.

Have a nice life...and get the dvd - you'll learn something...












Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: jaejonna on June 20, 2006, 08:21:50 AM
So what exercise will help Meso balance out his Triceps ??
I cant resist this one...Meso dont waste your time asking him anything. He wants to seem like a nice guy but he isnt.
15 post, of back and forth and I can see why he thinks you were rude I guess they dont teach manners whereever you came from.
All you had to say was , overhead cable Tri extensions and kickbacks...but that would be too easy...you want to make an example out of him. Your cool.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: FOR REAL on June 20, 2006, 08:28:21 AM
I tell it like it is, and i think you over-reacted a little bit Milos...
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: DK II on June 20, 2006, 08:31:44 AM
i think it's stupid to persist on pros giving advice for free, they have to make money in some way.

but otherwise it wouldn't hurt to much to write down overhead triceps extensions or whatever to kill the story off.

"with you, i sensed something..."

sounds like a bad Star Wars quote.

anyways, if you say no, or 'buy my dvd', i'd not ask you again.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: ieffinhatecardio on June 20, 2006, 08:33:05 AM
Milos said he sensed something in Meso that caused him to tell him to buy the DVD or pay $350/hr for his advice. What did he sense?

Was it the drug free comment?  

I don't think Milos should be expected to give free advice though. That's how he makes his living, why would he do for free what he gets paid to do?
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: jaejonna on June 20, 2006, 08:34:53 AM
Random Person: Hey you got the time ?

Milos: What time, eastern, pacific, mountain ?

Random Person: Cali time i guess dude ?

Milos: Cali time, there is a time standard called cali time?

Random Dude: Ok nevermind

Milos: With an attitude like that you should go to the watch store and ask if they sell watches for kids who live in their basement

Random dude: OK thanks muscle dude, I see its 12:45 pm thanks

Milos: Why are you so mad mr. I need the time wait I got the time from someone else, dont ask me next time, you have no manners.

Random dude: wtf is you prob...

Milos: buy my DVD and I promise you will learn something , if not I will give you your money back.

Random dude: I wanted the time not 34 hours of you and flex lewis in the gym.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: littleguns on June 20, 2006, 08:36:22 AM
Milos,

So is it safe to say I will not have my questions answered as you have gone back and forth with everyone on here except the person / I who started this thread.

In the DVD you mentioned a story about 2 ppl in a gym both doing bench press. 1 was doing fairly light weight but had a Pro Chest and the other had an OK chest but was putting up some serious weight. You sat down and chatted with 1 or both of them. Did they charge you for their time?

Beleive me when I say I understand that you need to make a living and being a personal trainer/consultant is how you do it but when you were up and coming did your role models charge you for their advice? To answer 1 or 2 questions is 1 thing but if someone comes up and bombards you with 50 questions that is another...

Just an observation. Again I am not flaming or taking sides..

Have a great day!
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: jaejonna on June 20, 2006, 08:38:06 AM
 
I don't think Milos should be expected to give free advice though. That's how he makes his living, why would he do for free what he gets paid to do?

Well then jsut dont go around telling everyone how cool you are and that you have on numerous occaisions given free advice. At least shawn sticks to his story, buy my dvd... he doesnt give out free info, then tells people to buy his time... mixed messages
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: DK II on June 20, 2006, 08:38:39 AM
Milos,

So is it safe to say I will not have my questions answered as you have gone back and forth with everyone on here except the person / I who started this thread.

Why are you so fucking negative?
Calm down man, and stop insulting Milos!

 ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: littleguns on June 20, 2006, 08:45:17 AM
Why are you so fucking negative?
Calm down man, and stop insulting Milos!

 ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D

Negative? LOL...How was I being negative? I started this post asking 2 simple questions and it turned into a battle between Meso and Milos? I'm just pointing out the facts....
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: michael arvilla on June 20, 2006, 08:45:39 AM
You wouldn't expect a doctor or a lawyer to give you advice for free
being a personal trainer is a profession (you have to get certified)
if we gave everyone who asked free advice we would be out of business (plus it takes up so much time)
Milos has got to make a living..............
that being said he could have easily suggested a few different exercises for Meso

(what i do is "whet there appetite"....give them just enough info that they need more)

it is a tough business.............eve ryone wants everything for free
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: littleguns on June 20, 2006, 08:50:31 AM
Mike,

Glad you chimed in. Can you send me copies of your food /exercise journals and make some motivational audio tapes? I'll gladly pay for the postage  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: michael arvilla on June 20, 2006, 08:52:11 AM
Mike,

Glad you chimed in. Can you send me copies of your food /exercise journals and make some motivational audio tapes? I'll gladly pay for the postage  ;) ;D


BUY MY DVD!
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: DK II on June 20, 2006, 08:53:02 AM
Negative? LOL...How was I being negative? I started this post asking 2 simple questions and it turned into a battle between Meso and Milos? I'm just pointing out the facts....

just making fun.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Armageddon on June 20, 2006, 08:54:03 AM
Milos seems a nice guy some times and others he acts like a jerk (like most/some Pro BBers) some pro bbers think they are gods in the sport and other (who are much better than them) are down to earth and never hesitate to give advice.  If I were you mesmorph I would have stopped PMing him after his 1st response from the PMS you can see that Milos “realizes that you might be on of those guys” I never got that.  Just because you are a pro doesn’t mean you have to act aggressively or answer like a wise guy; just answer the damn question or Say I won’t.  nothing against charging for a contest prep or a complete program but a triceps advice/recommendation

You know what I have had it.  meso PM me your Postal address and I will send you a copy (Pirated of course)

I didn’t watch the arm segment yet but the cutouts were funny if milos maintain that kind of personality all the time (like in the Video and specially in the cutout segment) he would be one of those “other pros”



Armageddon
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: ieffinhatecardio on June 20, 2006, 08:57:00 AM
Well then jsut dont go around telling everyone how cool you are and that you have on numerous occaisions given free advice. At least shawn sticks to his story, buy my dvd... he doesnt give out free info, then tells people to buy his time... mixed messages

I agree he shouldn't give free advice to some and make others pay. And his reasoning for charging Meso was rather arbitrary (sensed something in his message) but Milos does make a living giving advice and it's his choice who he makes pay and who he doesn't.

Ultimately though, Shawn Ray's way is better, everyone pays.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: littleguns on June 20, 2006, 09:19:45 AM

BUY MY DVD!

I downloaded it from Limewire and found it very uninformative. The exercises were very elementary specially the one where you were standing on your head doing bicep curls....

Or the one where you are doing tricep push downs with the hamstring curl machine...

Either way Mike, you are a madman and looked good regardless of training style.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: DK II on June 20, 2006, 10:50:31 AM
I agree he shouldn't give free advice to some and make others pay. And his reasoning for charging Meso was rather arbitrary (sensed something in his message) but Milos does make a living giving advice and it's his choice who he makes pay and who he doesn't.

Ultimately though, Shawn Ray's way is better, everyone pays.

hope they don't go the Ferrigno way though.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: littleguns on June 20, 2006, 11:15:57 AM
oops that's $20...you just said the "F" word
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Petrucci on June 20, 2006, 11:53:23 AM
I respect Milos a lot and i think he put a lot of information out there for anyone...But specifically in this case i think he went a little over the top
 I didnt saw anything wrong on the emails of Meso, in fact i think he was even very respectfull...
 And on a side note, Meso you have great genetics, i wish i had this.  ;)
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: johnnytosh on June 20, 2006, 12:05:00 PM
Sorry Mesomorph,
     Just like Sarcev states, the problem is that You started out a little over-assumptive. As if Milos is automatically obgligated to answer your PM. And when Sarcev didn't answer, you reacted like he did something wrong.   Just because a pro posts on this board, it doesn't mean they should automatically answer anyone & everyone that e-mails them..  I DON'T !!  

I delete dozens of e-mails every week without ever answering them ( and I'm a NOBODY). I'm sure MESOMORPH does the same thing. ALL OF US receive e-mails every single day that we simply ignore / delete because we simply DON'T HAVE THE TIME to respond. And if Milos answered your e-mail, you would probably have e-mailed him again with another question.  ANd this happens dozens of times every day to a BB of his level.

You guys have NO IDEA how many people approach Sarcev for autographs, pictures, questions, stupid questions. The man is VERY tolerant & patient with people. In fact, I e-mailed Milos a few years ago trying to give him some advice about BB..  It was a real stupid e-mail (I was f--ked up on Crystal Meth at the time). He e-mailed me back, thanked me for my opinion, and he told me I had a nice physique.  Milos went above the call of duty by even responding to my e-mail. And he was exceptionally nice & understanding.  

 MESO-You wouldn't be able to respond to every e-mail if you were in Milos's shoes either. And if you felt that someone was being pushy, you certainly wouldn't drop what you were doing & give them free advice. Milos only has 24 hours in a day also. He is NOT a prick, he is a pro-athlete that is VERY VERY busy.

Did MESOMORPH donate $$ to Milos when he rupturd his quad in 2002 ?  Did MESO send money when Milos needed help during his legal battles ? I would say "Probably Not".  

MESO simply started off on the wrong foot with Milos.  ANd it rubbed Milos the wrong way a little bit. Milos decided he did not want to spend his time answering an e-mail from a total stranger, who ALSO EXPECTED a prompt-FREE of charge answer. And Milos has the right to do that. We all do.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: jaejonna on June 20, 2006, 12:07:23 PM
Sorry Mesomorph,
     Just like Sarcev states, the problem is that You started out a little over-assumptive. As if Milos is automatically obgligated to answer your PM. And when Sarcev didn't answer, you reacted like he did something wrong.   Just because a pro posts on this board, it doesn't mean they should automatically answer anyone & everyone that e-mails them..  I DON'T !!  

I delete dozens of e-mails every week without ever answering them ( and I'm a NOBODY). I'm sure MESOMORPH does the same thing. ALL OF US receive e-mails every single day that we simply ignore / delete because we simply DON'T HAVE THE TIME to respond. And if Milos answered your e-mail, you would probably have e-mailed him again with another question.  ANd this happens dozens of times every day to a BB of his level.

You guys have NO IDEA how many people approach Sarcev for autographs, pictures, questions, stupid questions. The man is VERY tolerant & patient with people. In fact, I e-mailed Milos a few years ago trying to give him some advice about BB..  It was a real stupid e-mail (I was f--ked up on Crystal Meth at the time). He e-mailed me back, thanked me for my opinion, and he told me I had a nice physique.  Milos went above the call of duty by even responding to my e-mail. And he was exceptionally nice & understanding.  

 MESO-You wouldn't be able to respond to every e-mail if you were in Milos's shoes either. And if you felt that someone was being pushy, you certainly wouldn't drop what you were doing & give them free advice. Milos only has 24 hours in a day also. He is NOT a prick, he is a pro-athlete that is VERY VERY busy.

Did MESOMORPH donate $$ to Milos when he rupturd his quad in 2002 ?  Did MESO send money when Milos needed help during his legal battles ? I would say "Probably Not".  

MESO simply started off on the wrong foot with Milos.  ANd it rubbed Milos the wrong way a little bit. Milos decided he did not want to spend his time answering an e-mail from a total stranger, who ALSO EXPECTED a prompt-FREE of charge answer. And Milos has the right to do that. We all do.

JohhnyTosh....Were can all of us buy the "I'm with Milos >> " shirt ?
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: leycus 101 on June 20, 2006, 12:14:54 PM
You wouldn't expect a doctor or a lawyer to give you advice for free
being a personal trainer is a profession (you have to get certified)
if we gave everyone who asked free advice we would be out of business (plus it takes up so much time)
Milos has got to make a living..............
that being said he could have easily suggested a few different exercises for Meso

(what i do is "whet there appetite"....give them just enough info that they need more)

it is a tough business.............eve ryone wants everything for free




So the advise that you got from people regarding your prep for your show, how much did you get charged for it??  Im sure with the attitude of "everyone wants somthing for free", u paid a great deal for all the info you got. right? But then again im sure you didnt have any questions at all to ask people that have already competed.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: michael arvilla on June 20, 2006, 12:17:52 PM


Larry..................d idn't charge me a penny

my job is a personal trainer

would i help someone get ready for a show for free?...........to the extent that Larry helped me

honestly im not sure.............
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: leycus 101 on June 20, 2006, 12:25:58 PM
I wasnt trying to bust your balls or anything, i was just stating in my opinion. If someone asks a simple question about traing a small body part like triceps, i wouldnt think that giving him a quick answer would be fine even tho he's milos sarcev.  If he was to ask what routine should i incorporate to bring up my back and quads, then ya buy my dvd or charge the $1,000 an hour and ill give you all the necessary steps to achieve that. Even if he just bull shitted and said "well my friend grab a curl bar and do some overhead skull crushers, and after that do some dumbell kickbacks or weighted dips, then im sure that would have made him happy to hear that from the mind.  dam i should be a lawyer  ;D
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: 240 is Back on June 20, 2006, 12:32:54 PM
Milos, my car is making a knocking sound when I drive over 60 mph.  What is wrong with it.  Also my cat has been vomiting a bit lately.  Would you recommend antibiotics?  Oh, and my genitals seem to "stir" whenever anyone mentions competitive strategy.

What would you recommend for it?
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: jaejonna on June 20, 2006, 12:37:08 PM
Milos, my car is making a knocking sound when I drive over 60 mph.  What is wrong with it.  Also my cat has been vomiting a bit lately.  Would you recommend antibiotics?  Oh, and my genitals seem to "stir" whenever anyone mentions competitive strategy.

What would you recommend for it?


Milos: " I sense something about you ....."

Monster Clairvoyance
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Nordic Beast on June 20, 2006, 12:43:05 PM
I use alot of vitargo post workout.
Hey what brand vitargo do u use?----I've only ever used the Nutrex one with creatine in it...I did like it but it was expensive and I dont want creatine in it.  Does Art Atwood make one?

Would you and Milos reccomend Vitargo postworkout over dextrose or other simple carbs?
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: littleguns on June 20, 2006, 12:49:59 PM
Nordic,

Personally I use the Nutrex brand. True it is very expensive but it was the only creatine that does not bloat me up, give me cramps or the runs.

I believe Art does have his own line but it is a little more $$$ than the Nutrex Line..
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: gettingbetter on June 20, 2006, 12:53:49 PM
Mesomorph has always been a cool guy, and he was with Mishko too...

No wonder those guys can't make a living out of bodybuilding with an attitude like that. He easily could have answered and be gone with it but nooo, instead he entered a egostical contest with a guy that used to admire/respected him. Very good way to lose your fan base Mishkos!!!

Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Sir William Idol on June 20, 2006, 01:07:56 PM
hahahahah, mesomorph was completely within reason asking for a small bit of advice after already buying one of his dvds.....all milos had to say was "kickbacks with high reps" or "rope pushdowns very heavy" or whatever, but instead he kept PMing over and over and over when it was obvious meso wasnt gonna pay him money for this answer.  he wasted more of his $350/hr time than he would have if he'd just answered the question but MORE IMPORTANTLY-------------------





meso what were you thinking asking milos arm advice???????????  you know lee priest posts on this board, as does richard jones.   both are synthol-free, i'd try rich jones first
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: 240 is Back on June 20, 2006, 01:09:52 PM
he wasted more of his $350/hr time than he would have if he'd just answered the question

i didn't think of this side of it.  Almost like Milos spent $350 worth of his own time to hurt his own reputation.  Brutal two-story self ownage.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: anvil on June 20, 2006, 02:01:16 PM
i didn't think of this side of it.  Almost like Milos spent $350 worth of his own time to hurt his own reputation.  Brutal two-story self ownage.

Yes, ironic that Milos went out of his way to post some PM's that made him look bad.  By the way,

Milos, I have an xbox 360 and I can't decide if I should Buy "Call of Duty 2" or wait until July and buy "Prey."  Which would you buy? 
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: DK II on June 20, 2006, 02:09:50 PM
Yes, ironic that Milos went out of his way to post some PM's that made him look bad.  By the way,

Milos, I have an xbox 360 and I can't decide if I should Buy "Call of Duty 2" or wait until July and buy "Prey."  Which would you buy? 

i'll give you the answer if you send me 350$.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Luke Wood on June 20, 2006, 03:13:11 PM
Sorry Mesomorph,
     Just like Sarcev states, the problem is that You started out a little over-assumptive. As if Milos is automatically obgligated to answer your PM. And when Sarcev didn't answer, you reacted like he did something wrong.   Just because a pro posts on this board, it doesn't mean they should automatically answer anyone & everyone that e-mails them..  I DON'T !!  

I delete dozens of e-mails every week without ever answering them ( and I'm a NOBODY). I'm sure MESOMORPH does the same thing. ALL OF US receive e-mails every single day that we simply ignore / delete because we simply DON'T HAVE THE TIME to respond. And if Milos answered your e-mail, you would probably have e-mailed him again with another question.  ANd this happens dozens of times every day to a BB of his level.

You guys have NO IDEA how many people approach Sarcev for autographs, pictures, questions, stupid questions. The man is VERY tolerant & patient with people. In fact, I e-mailed Milos a few years ago trying to give him some advice about BB..  It was a real stupid e-mail (I was f--ked up on Crystal Meth at the time). He e-mailed me back, thanked me for my opinion, and he told me I had a nice physique.  Milos went above the call of duty by even responding to my e-mail. And he was exceptionally nice & understanding.  

 MESO-You wouldn't be able to respond to every e-mail if you were in Milos's shoes either. And if you felt that someone was being pushy, you certainly wouldn't drop what you were doing & give them free advice. Milos only has 24 hours in a day also. He is NOT a prick, he is a pro-athlete that is VERY VERY busy.

Did MESOMORPH donate $$ to Milos when he rupturd his quad in 2002 ?  Did MESO send money when Milos needed help during his legal battles ? I would say "Probably Not".  

MESO simply started off on the wrong foot with Milos.  ANd it rubbed Milos the wrong way a little bit. Milos decided he did not want to spend his time answering an e-mail from a total stranger, who ALSO EXPECTED a prompt-FREE of charge answer. And Milos has the right to do that. We all do.

I always like to say my own opinions but i agree 100% with this post! it was put very well!

I also get alot of pm's and emails about training and nutrition. Now i will answers questions like, how much protein should i take in, or what should my BF% be before i start dieting for a show or what 3 exercises in my opinion build best back thickness, i anwers these with no charge, but this also being my full time job, doing personal training, training programmes, diets and contest prep. So if it a training programme, diet, contest prep and even 1\2 doz questions that is going take up my time, than i charge. My fee is not as much as Milos's but than again im not in Milos's area of expetise to charge that much. I charge what i think im worth. Do i think $350 is worth Mios's time! Absolutely! I have yet to see anyone walk away from 1 hr with Milos (he will alot of the time spents alot more time than 1hr as well) and not have more than enough knowlegde that you would get from 5 or 6 personal training sessions at $100\hr. So yes i don't think its a very good deal. As i said, I spend 1hr with Milos 3 weeks before the NY show in 2005 (argubly my best ever condition) and that 1 hr allowed me to come in the way i did.  I had little knowledge on the correct way of loading and coming big, full yet dry!
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: mesmorph78 on June 20, 2006, 03:39:15 PM
mmmm wsup milos.....

ok i think wires got crossed... i was just askin... lifter to lifter... what u would reccomend... looots of people ask me stuff.. same as im sure lots of people ask....most guys who work out.. what do u do for arms... or back etc....
i was coming to u in that sense...
if i had walked into ur gym and asked you.... train me... then i could see where your.. "buy my dvd..$350 per hour would be necessary..which coincidentally i do have ur first dvd.... bought.. not downloaded.. i dont think ur new one has hit the uk as yet as in london....
im not sure..
but anyway... ur "knowledege " is ur knowledge to dispense at whatever price and how you feel so ... hey....
 8)
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: DAISUKE on June 20, 2006, 03:41:50 PM
I always like to say my own opinions but i agree 100% with this post! it was put very well!

I also get alot of pm's and emails abut training and nutrition. Now i will answers questions like, howmuch protein should i take in, or what should my BF% be before i stat dieting for a show or what 3 exercises in my opinion build best back thickness, i anwers these with no charge, but this also being my full time job, doing personal training, training programmes, diets and contest prep. So if it a training programme, diet, contest prep and even 1\2 doz questions on something than i charge. My fee is not as much as Milos's but than again im not in Milos's area of expetise to charge that much. I charge what i think im worth. Do i think $350 os worth Mios's time! Absolutely! I have yet to see anyone walk away from 1 hr with Milos (he alot of the time spents alot more time than 1hr as well) and not have more than enough knowlegde that you would get from 5 or 6 personal training sessions at $100\hr. So yes i don't think its a very good deal. As i said the I spend 1hr with Milos 3 weeks before the NY show in 2005 (argubly my best ever condition) and that 1 hr allowed me to come in the way i did.  I had little knowledge on the correct way of loading and coming big, full yet dry!
Could you type it again ?
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: ether on June 20, 2006, 03:45:29 PM
I agree with the majority of posts on this board defending milos.

But, on the other hand, basically repeating buy my dvd, buy my dvd, buy my dvd is being a bit of a dick.

I remember when I was younger maybe 24 at the time, I was interested in training HeavyDuty (Mike Mentzer's HIT program). I met a guy at the gym who suggested that I check his website out and buy his first book, then make my own decisions.

I did so. Then I sent Mike Mentzer an email (and Luke, you would have to admit that in terms of being a BB guru mentzer was probably at least as well known or more well known than Milos). I just asked him a bunch of bullshit questions about Heavy Duty.

Well, obviously he was just as busy as milos would be now (probably moreso)....instead of deleting the email or sending me an email saying buy my next book...he told me to send him my number. Then he called me (long distance I might add, at his expense) and talked to me for like 1 and 1/2 hours (NO CHARGE) explaining the basics of heavy duty and answering my questions. He then told me to think about it and whether I would like to pay him to be my trainer.

I never ended up doing it, and Mike (as we all know) passed away soon after.

Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: UK Gold on June 20, 2006, 03:49:33 PM
There is loads of free info from Milos on his site, so its not as though he never gives anything away. If he answered every email from every 120lb geek for free he would soon be out of money and living in the gutter with Sarcasm. Give the guy a break.
meso, why didn't you put your question to the resident 'experts' in getbigs training section? I'm sure they would have tried to help :-\
Ether you're a lucky guy, you caught a piece of history
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: mesmorph78 on June 20, 2006, 03:59:36 PM
wsup ukgold...
i ask questions in the trainin section a lot in fact i did make a thread not long ago on triceps....
askin.... for diff routines etc... and ihave use routines an excersises suggested from that thread... ang gotten results... in fact i didnt use to do dips.. till i started reading here... some old school guy swore by them.... and the rest is history
on most triceps thread u will find me there...
fav muscle group to train
maybe i shuld have phrased the question to milos.. like..
what do you do for your triceps...
maybe his response would have been different?
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Stavios on June 20, 2006, 04:08:56 PM
" I have good triceps... but the probleme is I have GREAT biceps !!! "


oooooh brother talk about modesty
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: mesmorph78 on June 20, 2006, 04:15:08 PM
nothin to do with modesty... its true...
mi bi's rule my tris...
if i have great bi's.. is it a crime to say so?...
dont u have a great bodypart?
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Stavios on June 20, 2006, 04:19:59 PM
nothin to do with modesty... its true...
mi bi's rule my tris...
if i have great bi's.. is it a crime to say so?...
dont u have a great bodypart?


Well no I don't think I have a great bodypart.
No offence but if I said I have great biceps, they would be pro material.
If I wanted to say that my tris are too small for my biceps, I would simply say that my biceps overpower my triceps and make them look small.

Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: mesmorph78 on June 20, 2006, 04:22:25 PM
i am me... you are you....
you are stavios... i am mes

..
ok...
my tris and bis.. suck
better...?
lol
...
anyway... not to sidetrack the thread...
y'all carry on with ur disc..
peace
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: nzmusclemonster on June 20, 2006, 04:40:05 PM
is milos trying to stay above the commoners, the peasants, the infidel? his time is too important to answer a pm that would take him 2mins to write... what a role model... really giving back to his fans...
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: ether on June 20, 2006, 04:43:05 PM
Well no I don't think I have a great bodypart.
No offence but if I said I have great biceps, they would be pro material.
If I wanted to say that my tris are too small for my biceps, I would simply say that my biceps overpower my triceps and make them look small.



Jeez, bro, it's milos sarcev, not the flipping president of the united states.

Since when do you have to consider and reconsider your phrasiology when talking to a bodybuilder of all people?

He could have been a little more respectfull, but, c'mon man.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Stavios on June 20, 2006, 04:44:37 PM
Jeez, bro, it's milos sarcev, not the flipping president of the united states.

Since when do you have to consider and reconsider your phrasiology when talking to a bodybuilder of all people?

He could have been a little more respectfull, but, c'mon man.

Lol !

that as nothing to do with Milos.

read my post again
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Bast175 on June 20, 2006, 07:24:34 PM
What kind of retard pays $350 for personal training?  Actually anyone who hires a personal trainer at all is a retard unless they're beginners.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Luke Wood on June 20, 2006, 08:56:43 PM
What kind of retard pays $350 for personal training?  Actually anyone who hires a personal trainer at all is a retard unless they're beginners.

So you are saying someone like Charles Glass, who have trained some of our greatest champions, could not offer no help to even a competitor at a pro level!  With guys like Charles and Milos, they can point out your weak bodyparts and show you the best ways to build them and alot of the time its doing the exercise the complete opposite to how you are used too, different hand or feet position or  an exercise you have never done before.
For eg, you are a saying a pro bodybuilder with a weak bodypart, like chest, should just keep training his chest hard and heavy the way he has been and eventually it will grow, even if if he has been training for 15 years?? thats when we turn to these expert personal trainers to bring out weaker bodyparts. Ive seen both Charles and Milos in action and i can tell you, ask there pro clients if they feel like RETARDS when they make that waeker bodypart into a one of there strong points.

A very bold statement by you!  ::)
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on June 20, 2006, 09:05:20 PM
For Getbiggers, lets please keep this post on track for a change. Thanks.

Milos,

Since my "Anyone have Milos' new DVD" got way out of control I am starting a new one..

I went ahead and purchased the DVD.

Watched the Nutrition section which was great; I started the diet 8 days ago.With the amount of Carbs you recommend, am I supposed to feel/look flat?

Thus far I have watched Ab, Ches, Tricep and Delt training......Perhaps I missed this part but what do you recommend for set / rep numbers?

Thanks in advance for your response....


#1) Train every body part ONCE a week

#2) Choose 4 exercises for each muscle group and do first two exercises (3 sets each) for "fast twitch muscle fibers" (for size, growth...hypertrophy) using heavy compound moves and failing between 6 and 10 repetitions per set.
Than choose two more exercises and use any of the advanced training principles where you would hit both - fast and slow twitch fibers - performing reps higher than 10 per set...(drop sets, super sets, giant sets...etc)

#3) As far as amount of carbs that I reccomend - certainly it depends on your goals and your present condition...
Check that nutritional DVD again and I hope you'll realize WHAT I really reccomend.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: schwarzenpecker on June 20, 2006, 09:54:31 PM
Thank you.

I am far away from looking awesome - but I appreciate your comments and compliments.
I will step on the stage ONLY IF I can be better than ever...and I am working on it...

Due to my various business activities I cannot be 100% focused on competition - and because of that my preparation suffers (I train with full intensity but I am not eating enough...and that is huge problem).

While in all my competitive years as a pro (1991-2003) I could easily prepare for ANY show with 6 week notice - this time it is not realistic...
While I am lean enough to be able to be ready in 6 weeks - I am simply not big enough...

Winning only one out of 72 IFBB pro shows that I have entered means that I am not necessarily competing to win...I compete to accept the challenges I put in front of me - and my challenge for my next show is - TO BE BETTER THAN EVER BEFORE...Not winning, placing or anything else...it is simply improving...

Milos, I remember seeing in 1987 at a gym in San Diego, I can't remember which one. You looked huge and stood out even then. Were you living in San Diego or just visiting at the time?
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on June 20, 2006, 09:55:58 PM
As I cannot answer to everyone (I am on my vacation in Aruba...) I do want to make few points.

First - I posted my correspondence with MESO - for a reason...Even though some of you would think I posted something I should NOT be proud off - I posted that as I stand 100% behind it.

I get HUNDREDS of E-mails from the fans and I try to answer EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.

But, I have learned in last 20 years that SOME fans just DON'T DESERVE my answer or attention...

In case of MESO -

1- He first asked me specific training question in his personal message and than as he didn't get immediate response (like I owe him something and I need to prioritize him and immediately give him the answer while my PAYING CLIENTS could wait...) - he posted on the board FOR EVERYONE TO SEE - that I didn't respond to his PM!

2- Than he posted another time (FOR EVERYONE TO SEE - that Milos is so bad to his fans - that he care less to respond to true fan's ::) question) stating that I STILL DIDN'T RESPOND to his PM !? - like I am really OBLIGATED to do that!

3- As he already stated that he has spectacular biceps ::) (something I would NEVER say) it made me believe that this guy SHOULD BE TESTED...So, I thought that IF he REALLY WANTS to know which triceps exercise does whichever part of triceps - he should be offered PROBABLY THE ONLY DVD that does explain exactly what he wants to know.
My DVD is specialized training DVD that explains exactly IN DETAIL how to stimulate particular parts of each and every muscle group (triceps included)...

4- Not to my surprise - he responded with - I have over 30 training DVD's and I don't need another one...
So, he REALLY wants to know something and he already purchased so many DVD's - but he is not willing to buy my DVD!
He must REALLY respect my opinion  ::) when he DOES NOT want to buy my DVD...
If he doesn't want to HEAR what I have to say in that DVD - why would he care what I have to say to him in person?

5- After I offered him MONEY BACK GUARANTEE (and just to add - I would NOT even get the money from him - as he would order DVD from FITSHOW guys and they would make the money - but I was willing to pay him back regardless - JUST SO HE CAN REALIZE that I am confident enough and certain that my DVD is exactly WHAT he needs - IF HE REALLY WANTS the answer to his question) - and he refused it - I knew that he ONLY wants the FREE ride ...Also, I sensed that he could be ONE OF THOSE GUYS who is ready to jump on IFBB pros if they only choose NOT to give him what he wants...

6- Needless to say - I was immediately labeled as an IFBB pro with my head in the clouds (and who knows what else)...and he immediately started giving me advice (like I need one) and telling me that I have an attitude...etc

7- Here (on this thread) he felt the need to expose me to the world as "bad IFBB pro" who is NOT willing to help others...

So, let me ask you - does every pro owe every fan unlimited access to their knowledge and time?
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: 240 is Back on June 20, 2006, 09:58:28 PM
i gotta side with Meelos on this one.  He even offered a $ back guarantee.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on June 20, 2006, 10:00:09 PM
Milos, I remember seeing in 1987 at a gym in San Diego, I can't remember which one. You looked huge and stood out even then. Were you living in San Diego or just visiting at the time?

That was the year I moved to USA (San Diego)...
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: brad_74 on June 20, 2006, 10:04:18 PM
WHY THE FUCK DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU DESERVE HIS HELP?
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Palpatine Q on June 20, 2006, 10:14:46 PM
i gotta side with Meelos on this one.  He even offered a $ back guarantee.

Yep. that and the fact that THIS IS WHAT HE DOES FOR A LIVING. I design and build Home theatres for a living. If someones asks my advice on what's a good plasma i'll gladly tell them. But if they want me to put together a whole system for them right there I break out my card and tell them to call me when they have time and we can seriously discuss this. If they get offended.....

A: fvck them....they weren't serious

B: fvck them....this is how I feed my family and i don't work for free.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on June 20, 2006, 10:22:33 PM
Milos,

So is it safe to say I will not have my questions answered as you have gone back and forth with everyone on here except the person / I who started this thread.

In the DVD you mentioned a story about 2 ppl in a gym both doing bench press. 1 was doing fairly light weight but had a Pro Chest and the other had an OK chest but was putting up some serious weight. You sat down and chatted with 1 or both of them. Did they charge you for their time?

Beleive me when I say I understand that you need to make a living and being a personal trainer/consultant is how you do it but when you were up and coming did your role models charge you for their advice? To answer 1 or 2 questions is 1 thing but if someone comes up and bombards you with 50 questions that is another...

Just an observation. Again I am not flaming or taking sides..

Have a great day!

It is safe to say that YOU also feel I need to immediately respond to you - as you just asked me the question...
Doesn't matter that I am maybe on my vacation (first in the long, long while) - I simply MUST answer the fan immediately - otherwise I am an ungrateful IFBB pro who doesn't care for bodybuilding fans...

Also, YOU need to explain to me that I should give answer to anyone who asks me - and answering one or two questions is one thing but 50 questions is another...
Do you know how many people I have answered 1 or 2 questions that after first two asked me 3rd and 4th question...and after they got the answers they asked another 2 (or 20?)...

Just login on my board and see HOW MANY questions I have answered...
Better yet - how many hundreds of questions I have answered FOR FREE ...

Or come to my gym and see what will happen IF you join the gym and decide to ask me anything...

I am also here on this board for one reason: FOR FANS...or you are all suggesting that I have some interest in posting here...or some financial benefit?
Also, when numerous fans attack me (for no reason) - that is perfectly OK and understandable but when I "show my teeth" to someone - than I am jerk, prick...a..hole - or whatever else you (getbig members/ bodybuilding fans) have called me so far?

 
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: 240 is Back on June 20, 2006, 10:25:28 PM
Also, when numerous fans attack me (for no reason) - that is perfectly OK and understandable but when I "show my teeth" to someone - than I am jerk, prick...a..hole - or whatever else you (getbig members/ bodybuilding fans) have called me so far?

hey, are you sure this happened on getbig? getbig.com? this site we're on now?

this place is normally very respectful and courteous.  You sure you didn't stumble into one of those cruel homosexual asylums like mayhem or bbing.com?
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: 240 is Back on June 20, 2006, 10:29:29 PM
one way to solve the prob... give them whatever response you can type in 30 seconds.  Let them know you're slammed, but give them a morsel of something new.  And of course, remind them that you offer a service.  

I have probably sold 20 websites here to ppl that PMed me about something little on their site, and i gave them a quick fix, a graphic Q, or a link to more info.  They remember that you took the time, and return to you when the time comes they need a service you offer.  
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: jeffrey. on June 20, 2006, 10:31:15 PM
To be honest, I don't think meso was trying to be a jerk. But it was wrong to keep asking Milos if he was going to respond to his pm.

If he does, he does, if he doesn't, he doesn't. He's under no obligation and it's wrong to try to make him look like he's blowing him off on the thread. It was a pm, if he wanted a public exchange, he should've asked him in the thread.

I agree with Luke about the trainer and quality of one.

But I can say this to Milos and Luke, for some of us that have been training for years and are advanced, but not necessarily competitive, it isn't easy to find someone who is a straight shooter and will help.

I paid an IFBB pro to "train" me, all I really wanted was nutritional and supplement knowledge and I may as well just flushed my money down the toilet.

The guy was nice enough, but short and curt, agreed with everything I was doing nutritionally and supplementation wise and just told me to cut some calories.

Well, I'm no guru, but I pretty much had all of that figured out myself and was hoping to have someone help me take the next step, but that was all he had to offer. I kept trying to pick his brain, but it was all one sentence answers with no information different than I was already doing.

I don't know it all, so I just assumed the guy really wasn't providing much help and left it at that.

I wouldn't mind consulting with Luke or Milos, but honestly after flushing money down the toilet, I'm not in the mood to flush anymore, because this guy had a great rep too.

So Milos, Luke, don't be offended if people are approaching cautiously.

i worked with luke for my last show,he is great to deal with!i learnt more from this contest prep than all my others combined.
i also went to a muscle camp which milos was involved in and the advice he gave in the seminar was worth the cost of the whole muscle camp.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on June 20, 2006, 10:33:42 PM
To be honest, I don't think meso was trying to be a jerk. But it was wrong to keep asking Milos if he was going to respond to his pm.

If he does, he does, if he doesn't, he doesn't. He's under no obligation and it's wrong to try to make him look like he's blowing him off on the thread. It was a pm, if he wanted a public exchange, he should've asked him in the thread.

I agree with Luke about the trainer and quality of one.

But I can say this to Milos and Luke, for some of us that have been training for years and are advanced, but not necessarily competitive, it isn't easy to find someone who is a straight shooter and will help.

I paid an IFBB pro to "train" me, all I really wanted was nutritional and supplement knowledge and I may as well just flushed my money down the toilet.

The guy was nice enough, but short and curt, agreed with everything I was doing nutritionally and supplementation wise and just told me to cut some calories.

Well, I'm no guru, but I pretty much had all of that figured out myself and was hoping to have someone help me take the next step, but that was all he had to offer. I kept trying to pick his brain, but it was all one sentence answers with no information different than I was already doing.

I don't know it all, so I just assumed the guy really wasn't providing much help and left it at that.

I wouldn't mind consulting with Luke or Milos, but honestly after flushing money down the toilet, I'm not in the mood to flush anymore, because this guy had a great rep too.

So Milos, Luke, don't be offended if people are approaching cautiously.


Why would we be offended?
Many people flush money down the toilet on many things - and than they find their money's worth somewhere else...

Whoever that reputable pro was - he possibly gave you his best answer...I don't know WHAT were you expecting?
If he told you COMPLETELY the opposite of what youwere already doing - would you be satisfied (and think that money you've spent was worth spending?)...
Many fans are very educated about every aspect of bodybuilding - but they still believe that pros have some secrets...something special.
When they get their usual answers - they are NOT happy with it...

Well, on another hand - I do have A LOT TO SAY - and whoever have hired me can possibly confirm that.
So far - I haven't had A SINGLE unsatisfied customer...and I am very proud of that fact...
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on June 20, 2006, 10:47:53 PM
Well, I know alot, I've been around a long time, but I'm always interested in a different approach to make improvements. If I was perfect, I wouldn't seek any information.

You may be right, his theories might have been pretty consistent with mine for the most part, but to be honest Milos, when you're consulting with someone who has reached the top of their sport, I was expecting a little more than cutting calories.





Try different pro ;)
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Count Grishnackh on June 20, 2006, 11:18:43 PM
Really? 14,000? I'm feeling a bit exposed now...

(aside: how ironic for Milos to give you a 1-liner answer, after u complain about ur last trainer giving all 1-liners...doh!)...and about that pro, might look for one whose a bit more deep (and higher IQ). Even if they don't give you a specific answer, giving multiple possible answers is always helpful, imo. So like when you ask: "What should I do w/ my diet?" Rather than say "Eat fewer calories...duh, omg you're a moron  ::)", someone whose deep(er) would say "Eat less to cut up, eat more to bulk up, eat cleaner to gain energy and clear up your acne, increase your potassium to help with your cramping, drop your zinc and up your C to prevent colds..."

See, you aught to hire me!  ;D

hahaha, this guy gave me so many one liners, he should've been a stand up comic.

Seriously though, the guy is very intelligent, has an impeccalbe reputation and is known as one of the cutting edge guys out there as far as his theories on nutrition, it seemed like a no-brainer.

But it only showed I had no brains I guess.

I had a feeling things weren't going to go well when he never responded to me asking if he wanted a couple pics to evaluate my conditioning, structure etc as a starting point.

He wasn't rude or a dick, just offered no information, I had to pry what I could and everything I summed up that I was doing, was good to him.

Maybe I'm just a genious and should start training pros like Charles Glass  hahaha
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Sir William Idol on June 20, 2006, 11:27:21 PM
drop your zinc and up your C to prevent colds


why would you drop zinc to prevent a cold? zinc helps fight colds
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Sir William Idol on June 20, 2006, 11:45:28 PM
Dood: "drop your zinc and up your C to prevent colds"
1. Drop your zinc
2. Up your C - to prevent colds

And zinc...eh, I've heard both sides of that argument. And zinc can be easily overdosed...anyhow, wtf? that wasn't real advice...it was a show, a play, an example, a role-playing event. bleh.

14,000 people read this every single day...feeling naked now?

i dont feel embarassed naked....i've got what the girls call a "knee knocker"
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Sir William Idol on June 21, 2006, 12:13:08 AM
Hey cool! When I was a kid, I was diagnosed with knocked knees too!

i was referring to my phallus
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Dredlock Rasta on June 21, 2006, 12:26:30 AM

#1) Train every body part ONCE a week

#2) Choose 4 exercises for each muscle group and do first two exercises (3 sets each) for "fast twitch muscle fibers" (for size, growth...hypertrophy) using heavy compound moves and failing between 6 and 10 repetitions per set.
Than choose two more exercises and use any of the advanced training principles where you would hit both - fast and slow twitch fibers - performing reps higher than 10 per set...(drop sets, super sets, giant sets...etc)

#3) As far as amount of carbs that I reccomend - certainly it depends on your goals and your present condition...
Check that nutritional DVD again and I hope you'll realize WHAT I really reccomend.

Milos, slow twitch muscle fibers have no potential for growth. They are not a muscle fiber you train for growth. Four exercises for a muscle group is way to much, particularly for small muscle groups such a biceps, triceps, or even shoulders. Remember, stimulate, not annilate



Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: littleguns on June 21, 2006, 06:07:53 AM
It is safe to say that YOU also feel I need to immediately respond to you - as you just asked me the question...
Doesn't matter that I am maybe on my vacation (first in the long, long while) - I simply MUST answer the fan immediately - otherwise I am an ungrateful IFBB pro who doesn't care for bodybuilding fans...

Also, YOU need to explain to me that I should give answer to anyone who asks me - and answering one or two questions is one thing but 50 questions is another...
Do you know how many people I have answered 1 or 2 questions that after first two asked me 3rd and 4th question...and after they got the answers they asked another 2 (or 20?)...

Just login on my board and see HOW MANY questions I have answered...
Better yet - how many hundreds of questions I have answered FOR FREE ...

Or come to my gym and see what will happen IF you join the gym and decide to ask me anything...

I am also here on this board for one reason: FOR FANS...or you are all suggesting that I have some interest in posting here...or some financial benefit?
Also, when numerous fans attack me (for no reason) - that is perfectly OK and understandable but when I "show my teeth" to someone - than I am jerk, prick...a..hole - or whatever else you (getbig members/ bodybuilding fans) have called me so far?

 

Milos, First off thank you for answering my questions. If you revisit the time line/chain of events for this post, I was a little perturbed. From the time I posted MY message, you had posted 4x regarding Meso's PM to you as well as responding to compliments etc from other members, thus totally overlooking the original question.

Unfortunately there are alot of blatantly rude idiots on this board and nothing can be done but in the same regard there are also alot of people like myself that respect what you guys do. If you look at any of my posts, this one included I have never once said anything derogatory or negative about you or for that matter, any other Pro, Amateur etc on this board.

 I did set up an account on your personal website trying to research the answers to my questions but was unlucky in finding answers. I am not saying they weren't there, I just couldn't find it.

As for your gym, I would love to join but unfortunately I am in Florida, the commute would be unbearable.

In closing, I wish you all the best Milos.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on June 21, 2006, 06:46:38 AM
Milos, First off thank you for answering my questions. If you revisit the time line/chain of events for this post, I was a little perturbed. From the time I posted MY message, you had posted 4x regarding Meso's PM to you as well as responding to compliments etc from other members, thus totally overlooking the original question.

Unfortunately there are alot of blatantly rude idiots on this board and nothing can be done but in the same regard there are also alot of people like myself that respect what you guys do. If you look at any of my posts, this one included I have never once said anything derogatory or negative about you or for that matter, any other Pro, Amateur etc on this board.

 I did set up an account on your personal website trying to research the answers to my questions but was unlucky in finding answers. I am not saying they weren't there, I just couldn't find it.

As for your gym, I would love to join but unfortunately I am in Florida, the commute would be unbearable.

In closing, I wish you all the best Milos.


Well, I also have MY priorities and choose to do what I think is important in particular order.
I choose to prioritise MESO's accusation over your question - but making sure to let you know THAT I WILL ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.

I have very, very limited time (I am in Aruba and have many things to do...believe me).

But, YOU reacted TYPICALLY to many fans...
After asking the question you were offended that I didn't respond immediately...or I choose to put someone else ahead of you.
Than - you also found necessary to give me your point of view that I SHOULD BE NICER...and answer the question(s) of the fans (as once - long time ago I was also asking others and didn't have to pay for the advice... ::))

You say - you didn't say anything derogatory - but read your post...Anyone who gives me advice that I should be nicer - is telling me what?
That I am not nice...therefore I am WHAT?

And that is not derogatory?
I take a pride in what I do...and ALL MY LIFE I enjoy helping people.
I give a lot - and still whatever I give is never enough...

Also - you would not see me talk about "rude idiots" - as this is terminology I choose NOT to use if I am referring to bodybuilding fans - even few guys here that obviously have NOTHING good to say about me (on contrary - they call me every name in the book...).
As you see - I am still here...I keep posting and I do what I think is right...and let others decide for themself.




Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on June 21, 2006, 06:49:02 AM
Milos, slow twitch muscle fibers have no potential for growth. They are not a muscle fiber you train for growth. Four exercises for a muscle group is way to much, particularly for small muscle groups such a biceps, triceps, or even shoulders. Remember, stimulate, not annilate





Maybe if you live in Disneyland and your name is Mickey Mouse.
In real world besides the highest capacity of growth (hypertrophy) for fast twitch fibers - OTHER fibers as well (and you can get lecture on that on my site) are ALSO capable of GROWTH.
Certainly not as much as fast twitch but nevertheless - increase in cross section (read GROWTH) is possible in slow twitch fibers as well.

On another hand - endurance fibers SHOULD also be trained IF you are bodybuilder - as muscle mass is NOT the only thing you want to accomplish...or is it?
Complete physique is built with comprehensive analysis of every aspect of training, nutrition, supplementation...etc - EVERYTHING that can be added to synergistically IMPROVE the physique (not just get bigger muscles).

And as far as 4 exercises being too much for small muscle groups - that also applies IF you are mouse - men (and even many women) can do much, much more...

On that subject you can read IN DETAIL what I have to say - on my board...

Several times in the past I suggested to some getbig members to check certain things on my site - and many responded with: ' I have no intentions registering to some stupid site...just to see this or read that..."

I gave my point of view on pretty much everything - and if someone just does SEARCH they can find whatever they are looking for in matter of minutes...
But, some of you that ask question and I direct you to my site would also much rather hear it directly from me - as you are lazy to do the search...and than IF I don't answer to your question - I am a jerk who doesn't ever help...


And as far as "short" answers and "one liners" whoever reads just about any of my posts could see that I am hardly a "one-liner" type...Instead, many complain that I talk too much.
If you saw my DVD or any of the FITSHOW episodes on bodybuilding.com - you could notice as well - that I insist on detailed explanation and not just brief answers...

Finally - many of you that criticised me how I don't want to help poor fan who simply asks me a question or two (or 22).
I voluntarily accepted FITSHOW request to tape some episodes with my training advice to be presented FREE OF CHARGE to true bodybuilding fans (on bodybuilding.com).
I volunteered my time, knowledge, my gym and few other things needed for this project to be completed.
I did several episodes and due to the GREAT response from the fans - FITSHOW guys keep asking me to continue taping all the bodyparts as fans truly appreciate it. Many times I would have to come back to my gym on my ONLY DAY OFF (as I work 6 days a week) - just to tape the segment for the show (BTW - I live 70 miles away from my gym).

Only after I have learned that FITSHOW guys have substantial financial problems and that they might not be able to continue with their show (the same guys that brought you FREE broadcasts of several pro shows earlier this year) - I suggested to them to possibly MAKE the DVD - and sell it...so they can make some money that can support their business.
They have agreed and that's how DVD became available. Yes, they agreed to SHARE their profits with me (so AFTER ALL the expenses of filming, making, editing....etc...etc we would split the profits - which were only minimal until this point).

So, when I tell people to buy my DVD - I do it for many reasons: to support FITSHOW (as they definitely need a support), to give fans DVD worth having as a reference for their training and nutritional planning...and for people that ask SPECIFIC questions (like MESO) to have filmed footage of the exercises - as seeing the actual execution of the movement is definitely much better than trying to describe it in words...







Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Mufasa on June 21, 2006, 06:52:03 AM
Milos:


Is the desciption of the Special Hacks on the DVD? (Which I have purchased).

I'm looking forward to viewing it!


Thanks!


Mufasa
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Armageddon on June 21, 2006, 07:12:43 AM
Milos is the Guru who helped normal guys (fans over the boards) the most in terms of contest prep training and diet (supplementation) but we always like to see you in the mood that you were at when u made the DVD (15000 reps more)  ;D

That is why they expect a lot from you.  I learned a lot from your board (a lot) and am grateful for that  ;)

Chris Cormier is getting close to your 72 show participation are you going to do anything before the Olympia??






Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: littleguns on June 21, 2006, 07:13:28 AM



But, YOU reacted TYPICALLY to many fans...
After asking the question you were offended that I didn't respond immediately...or I choose to put someone else ahead of you.
Than - you also found necessary to give me your point of view that I SHOULD BE NICER...and answer the question(s) of the fans (as once - long time ago I was also asking others and didn't have to pay for the advice... ::))

You say - you didn't say anything derogatory - but read your post...Anyone who gives me advice that I should be nicer - is telling me what?
That I am not nice...therefore I am WHAT?


Milos, I reacted like a typical fan? Perhaps, but what I call it is courtesy. When you are at a party or in Public and someone is standing in front of you asking a question do you turn your back on them to adress another person about a measly argument of he said she said? Probably not and this is how I viewed it. Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong.

Again you have your viewpoints and I have mine and it seems we are at an impasse. I am sorry this has gotten out of hand. I realize that you are a business man and obviously need to make money. In the future if I have questions I will either

A) Search your board
B) Send you a check for your time as well as a list of questions
C) Sought out another resource to answer my questions

Again enjoy your trip to Aruba. Enjoy your time with your lovely wife and family.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: alexxx on June 21, 2006, 07:54:05 AM
Milos was rude to me too...  :(

You call that respect?


Not just respect but love as well?

Wow - start dissrespecting and hating me from now on...I just might like it...
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: migizi on June 21, 2006, 09:02:40 AM
maybe you should ask Ronnie over at the prosource forum...he has more than 1 win.       
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: alexxx on June 21, 2006, 09:05:55 AM
maybe you should ask Ronnie over at the prosource forum...he has more than 1 win.       

Good point!
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on June 21, 2006, 10:39:15 AM
Milos, I reacted like a typical fan? Perhaps, but what I call it is courtesy. When you are at a party or in Public and someone is standing in front of you asking a question do you turn your back on them to adress another person about a measly argument of he said she said? Probably not and this is how I viewed it. Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong.

Again you have your viewpoints and I have mine and it seems we are at an impasse. I am sorry this has gotten out of hand. I realize that you are a business man and obviously need to make money. In the future if I have questions I will either

A) Search your board
B) Send you a check for your time as well as a list of questions
C) Sought out another resource to answer my questions

Again enjoy your trip to Aruba. Enjoy your time with your lovely wife and family.

1- Yes, you reacted as a typical fan - as I said not just that you request my question but you want it NOW...If I would not respond immediately - I am not courteous?

2- "When you are at a party or in Public and someone is standing in front of you asking a question do you turn your back on them to address another person about a measly argument of he said she said?" - YES, IF OTHER PERSON TALKS ABOUT WHAT KIND OF JERK I REALLY AM - SO I WOULD CETAINLY LIKE TO FIND OUT THE REASON WHY AM I BEING CALLED JERK - BEFORE I ANSWER THE QUESTION OF THE PERSON STANDING IN FRONT OF ME - AFTER I TELL THAT PERSON THAT I WOULD GLADLY ANSWER THAT QUESTION - IN FEW MOMENTS....AFTER I FINISH SOMETHING THAT IS MORE IMPORTANT TO ME.

3- Interesting how everyone (you included) have no problem jumping on me and giving me advices and telling me how wrong or rude I really am (for not stopping everything that I am doing and immediately responding to fans question as after all - I OWE THEM THAT FAVOR and I assume I owe them forever?)...and when I criticise you (typical fan remark) you are being offended... ::)

4 - If you have questions - you can do ANY of above mentioned things or simply ask - and be patient...
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on June 21, 2006, 10:42:33 AM
Milos was rude to me too...  :(


Why don't you post your PM's to me as well?


alexxx
Getbig IV

Hey!
« Sent to: Milos_Sarcev on: May 21, 2006, 08:18:38 PM »
« You have forwarded or responded to this message. »
 
Milos I kid  I give you mad respect for accomplishing so much in whats now debatable as a sport.


On which I responded with:

You call that respect?


Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: leycus 101 on June 21, 2006, 10:44:15 AM
Hey milos how marsel doing?.... (sorry if his name is spelled wrong)..Is  he planning on doing a show soon?
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: dr.chimps on June 21, 2006, 10:44:24 AM
1- Yes, you reacted as a typical fan - as I said not just that you request my question but you want it NOW...If I would not respond immediately - I am not courteous?

2- "When you are at a party or in Public and someone is standing in front of you asking a question do you turn your back on them to address another person about a measly argument of he said she said?" - YES, IF OTHER PERSON TALKS ABOUT WHAT KIND OF JERK I REALLY AM - SO I WOULD CETAINLY LIKE TO FIND OUT THE REASON WHY AM I BEING CALLED JERK - BEFORE I ANSWER THE QUESTION OF THE PERSON STANDING IN FRONT OF ME - AFTER I TELL THAT PERSON THAT I WOULD GLADLY ANSWER THAT QUESTION - IN FEW MOMENTS....AFTER I FINISH SOMETHING THAT IS MORE IMPORTANT TO ME.

3- Interesting how everyone (you included) have no problem jumping on me and giving me advices and telling me how wrong or rude I really am (for not stopping everything that I am doing and immediately responding to fans question as after all - I OWE THEM THAT FAVOR and I assume I owe them forever?)...and when I criticise you (typical fan remark) you are being offended... ::)

4 - If you have questions - you can do ANY of above mentioned things or simply ask - and be patient...

Sweet Jesus, Milos. Don't you wish you could have just thrown him a couple of exercises!? Would have save yourself a lot of trouble.  ;D
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: alexxx on June 21, 2006, 10:46:38 AM
Why don't you post your PM's to me as well?


alexxx
Getbig IV

Hey!
« Sent to: Milos_Sarcev on: May 21, 2006, 08:18:38 PM »
« You have forwarded or responded to this message. »
 
Milos I kid  I give you mad respect for accomplishing so much in whats now debatable as a sport.


On which I responded with:

You call that respect?




???

Alexxx I want to make mad monkey love to

your sexy 20 inch pythons!!

btw thanks for banning me from your forum for absolutely no reason but I can still view. ;)
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on June 21, 2006, 10:47:19 AM
Sweet Jesus, Milos. Don't you wish you could have just thrown him a couple of exercises!? Would have save yourself a lot of trouble.  ;D

Not in the million years.
I never regret what I did - as I think BEFORE I do things...

It is matter of principle.
I also don't consider being in any kind of trouble - I have no problem expressing my opinion.

Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on June 21, 2006, 10:50:54 AM
???

btw thanks for banning me from your forum for absolutely no reason but I can still view. ;)


Alexxx, keep it real and don't make the messages that I didn't send.
You are crossing the line.

As far as banning you from my site - my moderator did it as you already know what you did.
I don't allow that on my board.

Your big talk ended with all your pathetic excuses why you would not come to Koloseum and challenge my wife.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: alexxx on June 21, 2006, 10:51:55 AM

Alexxx, keep it real and don't make the messages that I didn't send.
You are crossing the line.

How about you keep it real by actually answering one of my questions?
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on June 21, 2006, 10:55:15 AM
How about you keep it real by actually answering one of my questions?

When you deserve - maybe I will...
But speaking of that - what question did you ever ask?
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: alexxx on June 21, 2006, 10:57:04 AM
When you deserve - maybe I will...
But speaking of that - what question did you ever ask?

ok well I see that you went back and modified your last post. Does it make you feel better being able to ban somebody for a harmless post?
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: alexxx on June 21, 2006, 11:01:29 AM
Women are no challenge for the great Alexxx. Actually men are not even on the same scale. So what makes you think, Milos that you a mere simple man can challenge the great champion?
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on June 21, 2006, 11:03:01 AM
ok well I see that you went back and modified your last post. Does it make you feel better being able to ban somebody for a harmless post?

I did not ban you - my moderator Antonio did - and he had his reasons to do just that.
What was your "harmless post"?

When you can write STUPIDITY like:" Alexxx I want to make mad monkey love to your sexy 20 inch pythons!!" and make it look like I said that - you are capable of many other things.

This can be serious matter and that's why I warned you that YOU ARE CROSSING THE LINE!
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: alexxx on June 21, 2006, 11:05:20 AM
Dammmnnn can somebody give Milos a bottle of Rum or something. Apparently are boy Mishko can't take a joke. Well I sincerely appolagize for the incriminating post and take full responsibility of removing it when time is due.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: jaejonna on June 21, 2006, 11:05:58 AM
Milos if your so smart then why dont realize Alexxx's angle and leave it at that. Hahahaha wait you need to prove a point , i almost forgot... ;D ;D

For a person who doesnt take the boards seriously, you seem to be suckered into posting 5 page responses to the dumbest shit..IMHO... :D
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on June 21, 2006, 11:06:11 AM
Women are no challenge for the great Alexxx. Actually men are not even on the same scale. So what makes you think, Milos that you a mere simple man can challenge the great champion?

OK, I will withdraw with ANY conversation with you - as you are obviously pathetic excuse for a man...
If you ever grow up and find the courage to see how great Alexxx really is - come to my gym to find out your real place in life.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: The Showstoppa on June 21, 2006, 11:06:34 AM
I did not ban you - my moderator Antonio did - and he had his reasons to do just that.
What was your "harmless post"?

When you can write STUPIDITY like:" Alexxx I want to make mad monkey love to your sexy 20 inch pythons!!" and make it look like I said that - you are capable of many other things.

This can be serious matter and that's why I warned you that YOU ARE CROSSING THE LINE!

Drama queen.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: jaejonna on June 21, 2006, 11:08:11 AM
come to my gym to find out your real place in life.

Your going to give Alexxx a job at your gym ?? Your nicer than I first assumed you were ...
Go Milos
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on June 21, 2006, 11:10:00 AM
Milos if your so smart then why dont realize Alexxx's angle and leave it at that. Hahahaha wait you need to prove a point , i almost forgot... ;D ;D

And here comes partner in crime - another castrated Amigo with great sense of humor...
Jae - as with Alexxx - I will talk/respond to you only after you come for the biggest challenge of your life: coming to Koloseum to beat 125 pound woman in curling competition...
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: alexxx on June 21, 2006, 11:11:03 AM
OK, I will withdraw with ANY conversation with you - as you are obviously pathetic excuse for a man...
If you ever grow up and find the courage to see how great Alexxx really is - come to my gym to find out your real place in life.

How am I pathetic? Just because i speak my mind and don't believe in injecting asteroids into my brain? I am all natural and soon will surpass the built of the great Steve Reeves. Then i will start winnning show after show all in the while being natural and laughing at you trying to play catch up. But don't worry I mean that in the nicest way.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: alexxx on June 21, 2006, 11:12:35 AM
And here comes partner in crime - another castrated Amigo with great sense of humor...
Jae - as with Alexxx - I will talk/respond to you only after you come for the biggest challenge of your life: coming to Koloseum to beat 125 pound woman in curling competition...

Great save me the drama!


(anytime your in canada hit me up and I will personally woop your ass in anyone workout!)
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: leycus 101 on June 21, 2006, 11:13:10 AM
How am I pathetic? Just because i speak my mind and don't believe in injecting asteroids into my brain? I am all natural and soon will surpass the built of the great Steve Reeves. Then i will start winnning show after show all in the while being natural and laughing at you trying to play catch up. But don't worry I mean that in the nicest way.



at first i thought sarcasm was really bad and annoying, but lately he seems pretty chill. Now i can say your the most annoying moron on here, and  i mean that in the un-nicest way.  
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: The Showstoppa on June 21, 2006, 11:14:26 AM
and don't believe in injecting asteroids into my brain?

asteroids...hahahahaha alexxx is on teh point today.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: knny187 on June 21, 2006, 11:15:33 AM
Allexxx is a dipshit.

Thats why he's been on timeout form this board on a couple occasions & he's working towards it again

 ::)
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: alexxx on June 21, 2006, 11:16:32 AM
I'm sore if I bruised your ego Milos.  ::)
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: The Showstoppa on June 21, 2006, 11:16:40 AM
Allexxx is a dipshit.

Thats why he's been on timeout form this board on a couple occasions & he's working towards it again

 ::)

knny is jealous of alexxx.  hahahaha
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: knny187 on June 21, 2006, 11:17:25 AM
knny is jealous of alexxx.  hahahaha

kind of the other way around.....where do you think he got his avatar from?
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: alexxx on June 21, 2006, 11:20:29 AM
kind of the other way around.....where do you think he got his avatar from?

You didn't derseve and Arnold avatar so I took it from you. But hey you still got the whole pussy thing going pretty well..
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: DK II on June 21, 2006, 11:33:03 AM
Alexx is somewhat annoying, but Milos, why the hell are you arguing with him like that?

He is making stupid jokes all the time, just ignore him.

That 'you made it look like i wrote it' is really pathetic, nobody would believe you wanted to make mad monkey love to alexxx 20' python.  :-\
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on June 21, 2006, 11:45:16 AM
Alexx is somewhat annoying, but Milos, why the hell are you arguing with him like that?

He is making stupid jokes all the time, just ignore him.

That 'you made it look like i wrote it' is really pathetic, nobody would believe you wanted to make mad monkey love to alexxx 20' python.  :-\

Yes, he is beyond annoying but I always try to look for good things in people and try to make them better...
After all he did send one PM where he actually said RESPECT...and I sent him back PM to think what kind of respect he is really giving me...

But, as far as NOBODY WOULD BELIEVE that I wrote that - you'll be surprised...
As I had serious problem before - I told him that he is crossing the line - one thing is joking and other thing is presenting false message from someone who never wrote that message...
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: jaejonna on June 21, 2006, 11:46:44 AM
Yes, he is beyond annoying but I always try to look for good things in people and try to make them better...
After all he did send one PM where he actually said RESPECT...and I sent him back PM to think what kind of respect he is really giving me...

But, as far as NOBODY WOULD BELIEVE that I wrote that - you'll be surprised...
As I had serious problem before - I told him that he is crossing the line - one thing is joking and other thing is presenting false message from someone who never wrote that message, like the time that I told Jaejonna that he should not come to my gym and beat my wife in the challenge that I changed around once I found out he could win...
;D Your too nice .... Im a big fan !!
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: alexxx on June 21, 2006, 11:51:07 AM
;D Your too nice .... Im a big fan !!

Me 2 Milos. You have nice arms that are not distracting at all when viewed from a helicopter.


Milos lets be friends. I am from USSR so we are both from around the same background.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: jaejonna on June 21, 2006, 11:58:44 AM
Milos was born in outerspace Alexxx..... thats why after he talks people are like ...EARTH TO MILOS EARTH TO MILOS , ANYBODY OUT THERE ...


hahhah (high fives all around)
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: anvil on June 21, 2006, 12:00:16 PM
Milos was born in outerspace Alexxx..... thats why after he talks people are like ...EARTH TO MILOS EARTH TO MILOS , ANYBODY OUT THERE ...


hahhah (high fives all around)

 ;D 8)
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: alexxx on June 21, 2006, 12:01:06 PM
Milos was born in outerspace Alexxx..... thats why after he talks people are like ...EARTH TO MILOS EARTH TO MILOS , ANYBODY OUT THERE ...


hahhah (high fives all around)

LOL
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Nordic Beast on June 21, 2006, 01:44:09 PM
Milos is by far the best pro in terms of helping out BB fans----he is always respectful (even when people bash him)----he gives out more advice than any other pro

Ive learned more from watching him on DVD's and in the magazines than almost any other pro BB

Your acting like children argueing over PM's and such------sh*t I dont even answer a lot of pms and Im not half as busy as Milos so stop whining children

We should be grateful that MIlos is on Getbig and willing to extoll some of his wisdom every once in a while----it's not our place to demand that he does

Much Respect Milos-----------can't wait to see the comback!!!
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Cleanest Natural on June 21, 2006, 02:58:13 PM
i for one think that he's worth every penny and having worked with another ifbb pro before , i'll gladly spend 350 for one hour and probably give his family some tennis lessons for free...he just seems like a really nice guy.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Luke Wood on June 21, 2006, 02:58:38 PM
MAN!! a few of you guys are just hasbeen's or wannabe's!! Alex, i know you are just talking BS when you say to look better than the great Steve Reeve's! i just truly hope you don't beleive that!  but it would'nt surprise me! and you guys are applaude the comments by this jerk are just as bad! THE GREAT ALEXXX!! THE GREAT A-HOLE is what you are!  ;D

Post some pics tough guy or big man!! i post pics all the time! i have maybe more weakness's than strengths, but i can admit it!! you say you are so great! lets see! of course we won't because you are ALEXXX the GREAT! who was gay anyway. There will only ever be one Sarcasm here, so don't try and be a puppet!

You make me laugh!! you expect sensible answer and you say "No one is a match for the Great Alexxx" LOL!! what a load of BS! you have had your hand on it too long Alexxx the Great! or too many of the wrong hands on Little Alexxx! ;D

You say yo are Natural! great good for you!  but why put shit on Athletes who are not?? do you realy think you could stand on the same stage as me and be clean or any other pro! Steroids are a very unfortunate thing in all sports, buy they are here thats life! no one is pitting on shit on the natural guys, so why should say anything about the DARK SIDE! ;D

Your comments to Milos is just F$%#^! ! but man if you can find one picture of yourself that makes you look better than myself or Milos than produce it! im no MR OLYMPIA but you sure as hell sound like it!

ALEX THE GREAT!! LOL!!! Get over yourself!!!

one day bro! one day! ;)
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: alexxx on June 21, 2006, 03:03:31 PM
MAN!! a few of you guys are just hasbeen's or wannabe's!! Alex, i know you are just talking BS when you say to look better than the great Steve Reeve's! i just truly hope you don't beleive that!  but it would'nt surprise me! and you guys are applaude the comments by this jerk are just as bad! THE GREAT ALEXXX!! THE GREAT A-HOLE is what you are!  ;D

Post some pics tough guy or big man!! i post pics all the time! i have maybe more weakness's than strengths, but i can admit it!! you say you are so great! lets see! of course we won't because you are ALEXXX the GREAT! who was gay anyway. There will only ever be one Sarcasm here, so don't try and be a puppet!

You make me laugh!! you expect sensible answer and you say "No one is a match for the Great Alexxx" LOL!! what a load of BS! you have had your hand on it too long Alexxx the Great! or too many of the wrong hands on Little Alexxx! ;D

You say yo are Natural! great good for you!  but why put shit on Athletes who are not?? do you realy think you could stand on the same stage as me and be clean or any other pro! Steroids are a very unfortunate thing in all sports, buy they are here thats life! no one is pitting on shit on the natural guys, so why should say anything about the DARK SIDE! ;D

Your comments to Milos is just F$%#^! ! but man if you can find one picture of yourself that makes you look better than myself or Milos than produce it! im no MR OLYMPIA but you sure as hell sound like it!

ALEX THE GREAT!! LOL!!! Get over yourself!!!

one day bro! one day! ;)


No weak points: oh and meltdown ;D
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: jeffrey. on June 21, 2006, 03:05:42 PM
hey luke,you haven't seen pics of alexx the great one???????
you and milos got nothing on him ;)
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: The Showstoppa on June 21, 2006, 03:06:12 PM
I think "Big" Luke Wood is disappointed in his placings since swimming over from Australia and is just venting.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: 240 is Back on June 21, 2006, 03:06:55 PM
Man, I have to say... I am really impressed with Milos lately.  

Aggressive, focused, and direct.

milos, something tells me you're in precontest mode@!
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: jeffrey. on June 21, 2006, 03:13:02 PM
compare the side chest shots,it's pretty close ::)
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: alexxx on June 21, 2006, 03:16:59 PM
Looks like the Luke bit off a little more than he could chew and decided to hold his tongue.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: The Showstoppa on June 21, 2006, 03:23:04 PM
Looks like the Luke bit off a little more than he could chew and decided to hold his tongue.

I think your pic intimidated him.  Poor guy.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Amir Hamzic on June 21, 2006, 03:48:08 PM
wow alexxx owned luke in that pose well done alexxx your upper body is almost the size of Luke's leg
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: The Showstoppa on June 21, 2006, 03:49:59 PM
wow alexxx owned luke in that pose well done alexxx your upper body is almost the size of Luke's leg

Watch it A-Mere Ham-sammich or alexxx will own you too.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Luke Wood on June 21, 2006, 07:50:11 PM
LOL!!! no ALEXXX, i was out doing my PT! LOL!! please tell me this is'nt a picture of you!!!!! Please tell me this is'nt the Great Alexxx!!  Oh man!!  you are talking trash and you look like this!!!  ;D ;D ;D. Now normaly i would say, "you look good bro, keep up the good work!" , but we are talking about "MR NATURAL", "I will be better than Steve Reeves"!! What a joke! Alexxx, honestly, now i know you are just joking! i mean no one could talk as much BS as you about how great they are and than produce a picture like this!  I mean you just look like an avergae guy who trains a few days per week, which is fine! but after what you told all of us, i thought i was going to see something like at least 250lbs and 5% BF, not this 200lb boy who would be lucky to be 10% maybe 12%!
When you get out of the aerobic room, than talk some more!  ;D ;D ;D, sorry to be disrepsectful Al, i just cannot contain my laughter! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: sarcasm on June 21, 2006, 07:51:58 PM
LOL!!! no ALEXXX, i was out doing my PT! LOL!! please tell me this is'nt a picture of you!!!!! Please tell me this is'nt the Great Alexxx!!  Oh man!!  you are talking trash and you look like this!!!  ;D ;D ;D. Now normaly i would say, "you look good bro, keep up the good work!" , but we are talking about "MR NATURAL", "I will be better than Steve Reeves"!! What a joke! Alexxx, honestly, now i know you are just joking! i mean no one could talk as much BS as you about how great they are and than produce a picture like this!  I mean you just look like an avergae guy who trains a few days per week, which is fine! but after what you told all of us, i thought i was going to see something like at least 250lbs and 5% BF, not this 200lb boy who would be lucky to be 10% maybe 12%!
When you get out of the aerobic room, than talk some more!  ;D ;D ;D, sorry to be disrepsectful Al, i just cannot contain my laughter! ;D ;D ;D
are you saying that if loving the cock was dollar bills that alexxx would be the US Mint, Luke?
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Luke Wood on June 21, 2006, 08:04:33 PM
Hello Sarcasm. Well since he says he is Alexxx the Great!  LOL ;D funny way of putting it! ;D

No seroiusly, he talks so much BS, even if he is joking he talks too much of it and he cross's the line and has been disrespectful.  But, he says how great he looks and than produce's a pic like this!
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: alexxx on June 21, 2006, 08:09:35 PM
Luke you are going to be my towel boy. I just promoted Milos to waterboy. At least he knows that I have a very respectable physique and bigger arms then both of you.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: The Master on June 21, 2006, 08:16:42 PM
I did not ban you - my moderator Antonio did - and he had his reasons to do just that.
What was your "harmless post"?

When you can write STUPIDITY like:" Alexxx I want to make mad monkey love to your sexy 20 inch pythons!!" and make it look like I said that - you are capable of many other things.

This can be serious matter and that's why I warned you that YOU ARE CROSSING THE LINE!

HOHOAOHAHAHHAHHAAHAHAHHA  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Luke Wood on June 21, 2006, 11:00:13 PM
Luke you are going to be my towel boy. I just promoted Milos to waterboy. At least he knows that I have a very respectable physique and bigger arms then both of you.

Yeah good come back  ::)
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: DAISUKE on June 21, 2006, 11:24:19 PM
Yeah good come back  ::)
Mr Wood, How much steroids do you use a day ?
Did Milos told you that the side effects may result
in brain injury, I mean permanent neurons disfunctions ?
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: xavmaster on June 21, 2006, 11:26:31 PM
Alex how old are you i'm 16 and I probably own you  ;D
Seriouly dude shut the f**k up and stop pulling your dick over yourself.
Go LUKE and MILOS also luke i'm an ausie boy like you and also I train at xtreme physique in tasmania and we've had lee Preist down here earlier this year and ronnie is coming down just after the olympia i'll ask the owners but maybe if your interested maybe next year or something we could sort something out to get the great luke down here i'd have to ask the owners of course tho but i'm sure they would love to get you down here ;D
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: schwarzenpecker on June 21, 2006, 11:34:37 PM
Alexx is deliberately being annoying to get attention and it's working. Don't respond to anything he posts and then he'll go away.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Luke Wood on June 22, 2006, 04:52:52 AM
Mr Wood, How much steroids do you use a day ?
Did Milos told you that the side effects may result
in brain injury, I mean permanent neurons disfunctions ?


Who invited you here DISLIKE! sorry DAISYDUKE or is ILOVELUKE??

No Milos, did'nt tell me these side effects. I already read about them before i met up with Milos, so it was something we did'nt have to waste our time talking about.  ;D
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: gibberj2 on June 22, 2006, 05:01:41 AM
i tried to start a boycott against him. but what can do you do. there's lots of other idiots here.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: DK II on June 22, 2006, 05:04:25 AM
Who invited you here DISLIKE! sorry DAISYDUKE or is ILOVELUKE??

No Milos, did'nt tell me these side effects. I already read about them before i met up with Milos, so it was something we did'nt have to waste our time talking about.  ;D

WOW!
Luke Wood stopped kissing ass and is melting down!
All i read from him was "Great this, great that" "Looking great <insert pro name here>!"
"Fantastic!" or whatever.
Now he finally shows he has no humour at all and melts down.
Taking alexx for serious and then bashing him for being small is absolutely ridiculous.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Armageddon on June 22, 2006, 05:44:22 AM
One of my friends use to study in Australia. He told me Luke is very famous there. Some guys there use to say that Luke was on 6 grams of testosterone and 4 grams of Deca. When I first heard it; it seemed; but after reading Jay and Dorian’s cycle (in other boards) he wasn’t off track at all.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: DK II on June 22, 2006, 05:46:50 AM
One of my friends use to study in Australia. He told me Luke is very famous there. Some guys there use to say that Luke was on 6 grams of testosterone and 4 grams of Deca. When I first heard it; it seemed; but after reading Jay and Dorian’s cycle (in other boards) he wasn’t off track at all.

When was that?
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Armageddon on June 22, 2006, 05:49:04 AM
2004 ... he also attended the 2004 Grand Prix Australia
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: DK II on June 22, 2006, 05:58:33 AM
i think it's way too much.

add some GH to that, but cut some grams of roids.
We'll never know for sure anyways, unless Mr Wood choses to comment on this personally, which he won't.

I think we can say for save that he abuses steroids.  ;D
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Luke Wood on June 22, 2006, 06:14:44 AM
i think it's way too much.

add some GH to that, but cut some grams of roids.
We'll never know for sure anyways, unless Mr Wood choses to comment on this personally, which he won't.

I think we can say for save that he abuses steroids.  ;D


Whats your beef with me?? What are you on about?? Alexxx was dishing it out and i gave some back , so what! He is a big boy. I would never bash anyone for how they look, but turn about is fair play. If Alexxx was't saying some of this stuff and asked me seriously what i thought of his physic i would be the first to compliment him. I have no idea what you are on about?

As for MR WOOD not commenting! LOL!! Ive been accused of worst than that!  ;D

DonkeyKong, i have no promblem with you, so lets just leave this here!

Actually, enough of all the crap! wheres this going?? No where! enough is enough. Alexx had his say and i had mine, i should act more professional and i will now, so unless you guys have something contructive to say and i will gladly answer or help in anyway i can, but all this BS is not why i come here, especially when it just comes down to childish back and forth shit like this.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: jaejonna on June 22, 2006, 06:21:26 AM
Luke is a cool guy, I approve of his post!!!
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: littleguns on June 22, 2006, 06:39:06 AM
Luke as I have told other Pros and I will tell you,

remember for every couple of idiots like Alexx there are alot of fans, myself included!

Keep doing what you do best as I look forward to seeing you back on stage!
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on June 22, 2006, 07:04:49 AM
i for one think that he's worth every penny and having worked with another ifbb pro before , i'll gladly spend 350 for one hour and probably give his family some tennis lessons for free...he just seems like a really nice guy.

I'll trade you for tennis lessons :)
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on June 22, 2006, 07:12:56 AM
Mr Wood, How much steroids do you use a day ?
Did Milos told you that the side effects may result
in brain injury, I mean permanent neurons disfunctions ?


Daisuke - this is exactly how and why you lose privilege of communication with some people. I've heard enough from you...and certainly I hope Luke did as well.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on June 22, 2006, 07:15:32 AM
One of my friends use to study in Australia. He told me Luke is very famous there. Some guys there use to say that Luke was on 6 grams of testosterone and 4 grams of Deca. When I first heard it; it seemed; but after reading Jay and Dorian’s cycle (in other boards) he wasn’t off track at all.

Are you sure they were talking about grams or could it be pounds...kilos...etc?
It is interesting to know how everyone knows what pros are doing - Dorian, Jay, Luke...etc
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: jaejonna on June 22, 2006, 07:21:37 AM
Pros hate when you ask them things about steroids cause (most of them) ...they want to appear that they never took a steroid in thier life and are against it... like when Dex won the Arnold for his first time ..hahahahaha....
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: mesmorph78 on June 22, 2006, 08:21:42 AM
hmm...
bet i dont seem so bad now... huh milos...
....
anyway y'all carry on....this thread = eye opener
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Armageddon on June 22, 2006, 08:43:15 AM
Are you sure they were talking about grams or could it be pounds...kilos...etc?
It is interesting to know how everyone knows what pros are doing - Dorian, Jay, Luke...etc

I didn’t say I know what they took. My friend was in Australia and this is what people were saying about him in Australia.  About Jay and Dorian sometime back there were some threads about what they take. Dorian said he took drugs (what was available in England) in an interview.

Lee said he only used Winstrol, Nolvadex and Clen. no testosterone

Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: alexxx on June 22, 2006, 12:39:07 PM
hmm...
bet i dont seem so bad now... huh milos...
....
anyway y'all carry on....this thread = eye opener

This little dude has bigger arms than both of you Milos and Luke and the guy only weights 175 pds!! Ha!! :o
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: I ETA PI on June 22, 2006, 01:11:52 PM
Mr Wood, How much steroids do you use a day ?
Did Milos told you that the side effects may result
in brain injury, I mean permanent neurons disfunctions ?


For someone who claims to be a physician, you sure aren't very intellingent. 

First of all, you would realize that hormone ingestion would not result in brain injury. 
Secondly, you would know that "disfunctions" is spelled DYSFUNCTION
And thirdly, you would surely realize that a neuron is nothing but a nerve cell.  Neurons are not specific to the brain.
But, your horrible use of grammar and punctuation above supersedes any of those choices as proof that you're not a doctor.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: shootfighter1 on June 22, 2006, 01:23:07 PM
DAISUKE's first language may not be english.  To that, I am sympathetic.  To his continual rude and totally uncalled for derrogatory comments to Luke, I say....DAISUKE, your an asshole.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Luke Wood on June 22, 2006, 02:15:36 PM
Pros hate when you ask them things about steroids cause (most of them) ...they want to appear that they never took a steroid in thier life and are against it... like when Dex won the Arnold for his first time ..hahahahaha....

Jaejonna, my promblem is you guys expect us on an open forum to discuss these things.  Firstly, its obviously stupid if any pro does this for obvious reasons. Secondly, i think it a personal question to ask someone when you don't know them or have even met them. When i get asked these questions in the gym , it is 99% by people who i have never meet before or even know. My response is "do you always ask personal question to people you don't know"? These 99% however are just being idiots and trying to get a dig at you. But i never deny anything, i just don't talk about it to people i feel don't need to know my personal business. Plus if something is obvious than why ask?? for example. If you see 2 guys walking down the street hand in hand, do you run and say "Hey are you guys Gay?" or do you just use your common sense?  ??? ::)

Besides that, i don't need to tell, you guys have already posted it? except it was actually in pounds ;D
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Stavios on June 22, 2006, 03:08:14 PM
Jaejonna, my promblem is you guys expect us on an open forum to discuss these things.  Firstly, its obviously stupid if any pro does this for obvious reasons. Secondly, i think it a personal question to ask someone when you don't know them or have even meet them. When i get asked these questions in the gym , it is 99% by people who i have never meet before or even know. My response is "do you always ask personal question to people you don't know"! These 99% however are just being idiots and trying to get a dig at you. But i never deny anything, i just don't talk about it to people i feel don't need to know my personal business. Plus if something is obvious than why ask?? for example. If you see 2 guys walking down the street hand in hand, do you run and say "Hey aare you guys Gay?" are do you just use your common sense?  ??? ::)

Besides that, i don't need to tell, you guys have already posted it? except it was actually in pounds ;D

Great post.

I don't even understand why people ask steroids questions to the pros and really expect an honnest answer ( or an answer at all ! )
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: alexxx on June 22, 2006, 03:11:03 PM
When people ask me about it I tell them the go to the source, in this case Mishko!
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Stavios on June 22, 2006, 03:12:53 PM
When people ask me about it I tell them the go to the source, in this case Mishko!

People are joking when they ask you this. Like I always ask my 160 lbs friend: how many grams of test are you taking to be huge like that ?!

sorry to break your illusions alexxx
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: alexxx on June 22, 2006, 03:13:34 PM
People are joking when they ask you this. Like I always ask my 160 lbs friend: how many grams of test are you taking to be huge like that ?!

sorry to break your illusions alexxx

You know what they say... you are  the sum total of your friends.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Stavios on June 22, 2006, 03:15:53 PM
You know what they say... you are  the sum total of your friends.

What ? you like the cum of your friends ?

that's disgusting !  :-X
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: alexxx on June 22, 2006, 03:20:09 PM
What ? you like the cum of your friends ?

that's disgusting !  :-X

Oops I forgot.. I am using "fancy words" I will try to translate it into quebecois! Esti de tabarnaque de qualis de st-.... toi et tes amis sont des tapette!   :-*
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Stavios on June 22, 2006, 03:22:05 PM
Oops I forgot.. I am using "fancy words" I will try to translate it into quebecois! Esti de tabarnaque de qualis de st-.... toi et tes amis sont des tapette!   :-*
bouahaha

do you speak french in everyday life or only english alexxx ?
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: alexxx on June 22, 2006, 03:24:40 PM
bouahaha

do you speak french in everyday life or only english alexxx ?

Why its useless!
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Stavios on June 22, 2006, 03:29:21 PM
Why its useless!

Well you live in montreal and the majority of the population speaks french so it isn't really useless.

Personally, I wish I could be a little better in english cause it's an awesome language
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: DAISUKE on June 22, 2006, 03:42:11 PM
For someone who claims to be a physician, you sure aren't very intellingent. 

First of all, you would realize that hormone ingestion would not result in brain injury. 
Secondly, you would know that "disfunctions" is spelled DYSFUNCTION
And thirdly, you would surely realize that a neuron is nothing but a nerve cell.  Neurons are not specific to the brain.
But, your horrible use of grammar and punctuation above supersedes any of those choices as proof that you're not a doctor.
I do not claim I am a physician. I used to be a surgeon, that s all.
And I say it again, hormone ingestion during a large span of time
may resulti in brain dYsfunction (forgive my spelling). A large variety
of dysfunctions.
In fact, do you know that a specialist can tell if someone has used
steroids regularily after doing a PET (Positron Emission Tomography)
scanner of the brain ?
Usually, PET images show the chemistry of organs and other tissues
like tumors, but PET is also useful in diagnosing cardiovascular
and neurological diseases because it highlights areas with increased,
diminished or no metabolic activity, and as a result showing problems.
In the case of the brain, it can illustrate areas where brain activity differs
from what is called the norm.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: I ETA PI on June 22, 2006, 03:49:41 PM
I do not claim I am a physician. I used to be a surgeon, that s all.
And I say it again, hormone ingestion during a large span of time
may resulti in brain dYsfunction (forgive my spelling). A large variety
of dysfunctions.
In fact, do you know that a specialist can tell if someone has used
steroids regularily after doing a PET (Positron Emission Tomography)
scanner of the brain ?
Usually, PET images show the chemistry of organs and other tissues
like tumors, but PET is also useful in diagnosing cardiovascular
and neurological diseases because it highlights areas with increased,
diminished or no metabolic activity, and as a result showing problems.
In the case of the brain, it can illustrate areas where brain activity differs
from what is called the norm.

You did claim that you ARE a surgeon.  So, don't back track. 

But, a PET scan is hardly valid in diagnosing cardiovascular disease.  Don't look up the first diagnostic tool you find in Google, and pretend you know what it does. 

I would be very interested to see the research on PET scans showing steroids to cause brain damage. 
If you're saying that you can see decreased fucntion of the thyroid, or decreased output in the anterior pituitary, this is FAR different than damage.  A down regulation of endogenous hormone production due to exogenous intake is entirely different than BRAIN DAMAGE.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: alexxx on June 22, 2006, 03:51:26 PM
Well you live in montreal and the majority of the population speaks french so it isn't really useless.

Personally, I wish I could be a little better in english cause it's an awesome language

Then get an english girlfriend you doof!
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: xavmaster on June 22, 2006, 03:57:43 PM
alex= tranny with dick up its own ass
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: alexxx on June 22, 2006, 04:03:42 PM
alex= tranny with dick up its own ass

How I wish the schools would discipline litte twats like you. No after school programs for dropouts huh?
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Stavios on June 22, 2006, 04:04:52 PM
Then get an english girlfriend you doof!

My first gf was english and I tought it was pretty cool. I like girls that speak english.

but she was a freak... not in a good way  :-\
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: alexxx on June 22, 2006, 04:06:52 PM
My first gf was english and I tought it was pretty cool. I like girls that speak english.

but she was a freak... not in a good way  :-\

For some reason I though she would be.  ;D
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Stavios on June 22, 2006, 04:09:18 PM
For some reason I though she would be.  ;D

Yeah I have a malediction, I only attract girls who are jalous and ultra possessive.


Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: shootfighter1 on June 22, 2006, 04:24:24 PM
Alex, I am starting to find you funny.  Still boarderline though.

DAISUKE...how can you be a surgeon but not a physician?  What is your native language?
Why do you constantly criticize Luke?  Maybe you really like him?  A love/hate conflict?
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: DAISUKE on June 22, 2006, 05:38:38 PM
You did claim that you ARE a surgeon.  So, don't back track. 

But, a PET scan is hardly valid in diagnosing cardiovascular disease.  Don't look up the first diagnostic tool you find in Google, and pretend you know what it does. 

I would be very interested to see the research on PET scans showing steroids to cause brain damage. 
If you're saying that you can see decreased fucntion of the thyroid, or decreased output in the anterior pituitary, this is FAR different than damage.  A down regulation of endogenous hormone production due to exogenous intake is entirely different than BRAIN DAMAGE.
I used to be a surgeon, but I am 65 years old and I stopped to do surgery 10 years ago.
It s not such a great job. In fact I may say the opposite now, I came to believe it s a job
that does not solve any problem.
Forgive my poor english.
To me, thyroid dysfunction is only a part of the troubles caused by the use of synthetical
hormones. 
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: castor troy on June 22, 2006, 05:47:32 PM
wow i cant believe i just read this whole thread.  very boring.  as usual pros and members going at it back and forth like a neverending orgy. 

i like milos and luke and his whole team. in fact it is because of them i am still drawn to bodybuilding.  they share great deal of info on his website.  i just only hope pros can spend less energy and time on negative remarks and focus on positive ones.  milo's board is pretty good in this respect.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on June 22, 2006, 08:48:40 PM
hmm...
bet i dont seem so bad now... huh milos...
....
anyway y'all carry on....this thread = eye opener

Hmmmm

You seem just as bad as you did first time...

Mr. "GREAT, GREAT biceps"...and Mr. "not expecting anything for free"...Having 30 training DVD's in collection and REALLY wanting my advice - but only IF it comes for free and from my mouth...Otherwise - getting the DVD and finding out from me that way - is NOT the option...(therefore you've convinced me that you are sincere and only have a "simple question" that REALLY matters to you...)

MESO - I saw through you after your first post - and everything I saw - you confirmed it and continuing to confirm...

Besides everything else - AFTER NOT getting my advice for free - you couldn't wait to tell others what kind of "jerk" I really am...
So here is in detail my explanation of how and why I am being labeled as "jerk"...

To add - I will never change... ;D (as I am proud of who I am).


Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on June 22, 2006, 08:56:29 PM
Pros hate when you ask them things about steroids cause (most of them) ...they want to appear that they never took a steroid in thier life and are against it... like when Dex won the Arnold for his first time ..hahahahaha....

Many pros are NOT allowed to say anything on that subject simply as THEY WILL BREACH their endorsement contracts...

Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: mesmorph78 on June 23, 2006, 06:13:57 AM
Hmmmm

You seem just as bad as you did first time...

Mr. "GREAT, GREAT biceps"...and Mr. "not expecting anything for free"...Having 30 training DVD's in collection and REALLY wanting my advice - but only IF it comes for free and from my mouth...Otherwise - getting the DVD and finding out from me that way - is NOT the option...(therefore you've convinced me that you are sincere and only have a "simple question" that REALLY matters to you...)

MESO - I saw through you after your first post - and everything I saw - you confirmed it and continuing to confirm...

Besides everything else - AFTER NOT getting my advice for free - you couldn't wait to tell others what kind of "jerk" I really am...
So here is in detail my explanation of how and why I am being labeled as "jerk"...

To add - I will never change... ;D (as I am proud of who I am).




milos milos milos....
calm down... u are still rehashing this?
me stating in my post i have great biceps was to illustrate the point to you that they over power my tris.......
you my friend are reading everything wrong.... me askin on the thread if u got my pm... wasnt to harass... you .. i genuinly honestly wanted to know if i got my pm...
and yes i have lots of bb dvd's that i buy
so...
how does me sayin i have great bi's...
and i have 30 dvd's make me a jerk...
look im not an inernet thug.. nor do i have time for internet games....
i SERIOUSLY genuinly asked u a question for GENUINE advice.. i was not if u think trying to knock u in anyway at all... and the more u type.. the more i see that u do think there was some ulterior motive for me commenting on my arms NO wrong
i asked you for advice,... you got rude.. i got rude simple...
i have good arms.. i only seeked... information from a veteran... type in triceps in the search engine.. and 80% f those threads u will see my name on
u not helping wont make me lose size.. me askin was just icing on the cake....
im not losing sleep....over it mate.... neither are you....
so.....
drop it... you keep brigin it up doesnt shine u in a great light....afterall im just some faceless... guy on the net... you are a pro... its a no win.. crusade...
thanks for your help...
peace...
meso
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Alexander Sturm on June 23, 2006, 09:53:35 AM
So what makes people think Milos or any other pro will give you hints for free ?
On one hand it`s their profession, so they have to earn money and on the other hand why should he give an advice or anything he had to work for for years ?

By the way, if you really want to become better with the help of a pro, that doesn`t work via internet anyway.
He has to talk to you, see you, know your training routine and nutrition. The more he knows, the more he can help, but surely not for free.

Me and I´m by far not successful Milos was, nevertheless I got E Mails almost every day with questions about everything, so you can figure out how many mails Milos gets.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: anvil on June 23, 2006, 10:03:37 AM
Milos, I can't believe you're in Aruba and still posting in this damn thread.  Enjoy the naked chicks already!
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: leycus 101 on June 23, 2006, 10:18:40 AM
So what makes people think Milos or any other pro will give you hints for free ?
On one hand it`s their profession, so they have to earn money and on the other hand why should he give an advice or anything he had to work for for years ?

By the way, if you really want to become better with the help of a pro, that doesn`t work via internet anyway.
He has to talk to you, see you, know your training routine and nutrition. The more he knows, the more he can help, but surely not for free.

Me and I´m by far not successful Milos was, nevertheless I got E Mails almost every day with questions about everything, so you can figure out how many mails Milos gets.





IT WAS A QUESTION ABOUT TRICEPS!!  GOOD LORD,
U WOULD THINK THE GUY WAS ASKING MILOS TO
PREPARE A WHOLE WORKOUT PROGRAM OR SOMTHING.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Armageddon on June 23, 2006, 10:23:18 AM

By the way, if you really want to become better with the help of a pro, that doesn`t work via internet anyway.
He has to talk to you, see you, know your training routine and nutrition. The more he knows, the more he can help, but surely not for free.


Skip La Cour says other wise. He can do it via internet

http://www.skiplacour.com
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: littleguns on June 23, 2006, 10:23:49 AM
So what makes people think Milos or any other pro will give you hints for free ?


Umm well the Pros that actually do lend help or advice for free.  ;D .
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: RHINO290 on June 23, 2006, 10:24:45 AM
Umm well the Pros that actually do lend help or advice for free.  ;D .

Go ahead, tell them who.........
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Alexander Sturm on June 23, 2006, 10:37:28 AM
Still, as Milos said the answer is on his DVD.
He gets more than one E mail per day, has clients who pay for his advice, so why should they wait? Especially if someone has great genetics anyway. How ridiculous. I mean Milos sees and has seen the best BB in the World, so I don`t think he`ll be very impressed about somebodys bicep.
Most people think they are very important, in fact they`re not, so they have no right to insist (right ? I`m not sure, my English isn`t that good) on an answer. If he answers ok, if he doesn`t let it go.

But I can give an advice, show some interest, read and you`ll find most answers anyway. Athletes who need Milos advice are in another league, if you just train or compete on a national level you don`t need professional advice



Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: 240 is Back on June 23, 2006, 10:41:20 AM
Skip La Cour says other wise. He can do it via internet

http://www.skiplacour.com

There is no wiser man in all of bodybuilding training, nutrition & supplementation than Skip La Cour.

I have his DVD- he actually narrates - overdubs- and talks through the whole thing, and the guy is so fluid with knowledge and examples that it'll just blow your mind.

There might be guys that work with pros that know how to get guys super dry.  There might be guys who can put a needle in your ass and put 50 pounds of mass on you in a year.  But there is no one I've ever spoken to, that knows more than Skip.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: 240 is Back on June 23, 2006, 10:45:39 AM
Chad, Hany and Aceto called.  They all had one word, sued.

Oh yeah, I did peg their modus operandi pretty accurately. 

Tell em to get in line :)
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Alexander Sturm on June 23, 2006, 10:47:39 AM
How much charges Skip or gives he advice to everybody who writes him an e mail and insists on an answer ?
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: 240 is Back on June 23, 2006, 10:51:37 AM
How much charges Skip or gives he advice to everybody who writes him an e mail and insists on an answer ?

Dunno.  I wash his escalade fleet, then ask him a Q or two while I'm shining his shoes.  I get muffled answers between bites of AST protein products, but I still learn more than I would by reading flex.   Milos seems to know his stuff too- especially for helping pros overcome weak areas (dim and luke improved big time).  But for the average non-chemical trainer, skip is the sheeit.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Armageddon on June 23, 2006, 10:53:01 AM
There is no wiser man in all of bodybuilding training, nutrition & supplementation than Skip La Cour.

I have his DVD- he actually narrates - overdubs- and talks through the whole thing, and the guy is so fluid with knowledge and examples that it'll just blow your mind.

There might be guys that work with pros that know how to get guys super dry.  There might be guys who can put a needle in your ass and put 50 pounds of mass on you in a year.  But there is no one I've ever spoken to, that knows more than Skip.

There are smarter guys than him. And about sticking a needle in your ass; all of them ask you to do the so
A lot of the pros would give you an advice on how to improve you triceps “for free” maybe Milos got offended cause meso said he has great arms and he thought that meso was trying to get under his nerves

Such a long thread for couple of exercises 
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Naked4Jesus on June 23, 2006, 10:54:04 AM
Didn't Skip loose all his hair because of all the steriods he took?  Doesn't he weigh the same as Phil Heath at the same height?  How come Phil Heath needed steriods to get to that weight and conditioning and Skip didn't?  Could it be his use of the fabulous AST products.   I know that their whey protein is second to none!
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: 240 is Back on June 23, 2006, 10:58:51 AM
I think milos was right in this one.

also, i think if skip used gear, you'd see his shoulders and thighs blown up way bigger than they were.  something about receptor zones and number of cells in those areas, but when a guy starts using, those are the two regions that are telltale signs.  He has some insane discipline... I think it's very possible he never used. 
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Armageddon on June 23, 2006, 11:00:05 AM
He Markets AST. Even in his videos. But he expects you to use a lot of AST supplement. I am assuming he gets commission.

http://www.ast-ss.com/skip/journal_2004/default.asp?pg=training&wk=45
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: littleguns on June 23, 2006, 11:00:13 AM
Go ahead, tell them who.........

I'd rather not say cause if the people on here know which Pros give advice for free they then may decide to charge and then where would that put me. I would start looking like 240 instead of Mike Arvilla
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Armageddon on June 23, 2006, 11:03:38 AM
I think milos was right in this one.

also, i think if skip used gear, you'd see his shoulders and thighs blown up way bigger than they were.  something about receptor zones and number of cells in those areas, but when a guy starts using, those are the two regions that are telltale signs.  He has some insane discipline... I think it's very possible he never used. 

What is receptor zone?
240 believes skip is natural. Aint life funny
well skip admitted that he used drugs in the early years but then stopped; and he says he is natural now
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: RHINO290 on June 23, 2006, 11:14:24 AM
I'd rather not say cause if the people on here know which Pros give advice for free they then may decide to charge and then where would that put me. I would start looking like 240 instead of Mike Arvilla

Aww man, I was interested to know who, I need some advice.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: alexxx on June 23, 2006, 11:17:42 AM
Skip La Cour says other wise. He can do it via internet

http://www.skiplacour.com


He can also ban you from his site and then call you out while you cannot even see any posts. What a pussy!
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: littleguns on June 23, 2006, 11:22:40 AM
Aww man, I was interested to know who, I need some advice.

Jack, PM me and I'll let you know  ;)

Alexx is there any board you have not been banned or suspended from?
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: alexxx on June 23, 2006, 11:23:37 AM
Jack, PM me and I'll let you know  ;)

Alexx is there any board you have not been banned or suspended from?

 :'( nobody likes the truth!
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: leycus 101 on June 23, 2006, 11:51:27 AM
Jack, PM me and I'll let you know  ;)

Alexx is there any board you have not been banned or suspended from?



Milo's board  :'(
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: littleguns on June 23, 2006, 11:55:05 AM
Alexx,

Truth is one thing but saying you are the next Natural Mr Olympia is just plane Lies
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: alexxx on June 23, 2006, 11:56:16 AM


Milo's board  :'(

Actually...  the guy doesn't have a sense of humour.. :( I am banned but I have ways to go back and mess it up for all them haters!! hahahaha ;D
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: leycus 101 on June 23, 2006, 12:00:27 PM
Actually...  the guy doesn't have a sense of humour.. :( I am banned but I have ways to go back and mess it up for all them haters!! hahahaha ;D



just join on a different server  8)
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: alexxx on June 23, 2006, 12:01:58 PM


just join on a different server  8)

I found a site that hides my ip. :)
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Gordon_Gekko on June 23, 2006, 12:11:58 PM
What is receptor zone?
240 believes skip is natural. Aint life funny
well skip admitted that he used drugs in the early years but then stopped; and he says he is natural now


I believe I can recall Skip admitting to using pro-hormones at one time (when they were sold over-the-counter). If memory serves me correctly, he said he stopped using pro-hormones before they were reclassified and no longer OTC.

But I don't recall him ever admitting to using actual steroids, GH, insulin, IGF-1, or any other scheduled / prescription only bodybuilding type drugs. In fact, he has always adamantly denied using any of these ever, as far as I can recall.

Do you have any specific links or literature of him admitting to such drug use?
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: DK II on June 23, 2006, 12:14:25 PM
I believe I can recall Skip admitting to using pro-hormones at one time (when they were sold over-the-counter). If memory serves me correctly, he said he stopped using pro-hormones before they were reclassified and no longer OTC.

But I don't recall him ever admitting to using actual steroids, GH, insulin, IGF-1, or any other scheduled / prescription only bodybuilding type drugs. In fact, he has always adamantly denied using any of these ever, as far as I can recall.

Do you have any specific links or literature of him admitting to such drug use?

The guy is good. Why shouldn't he be natural?
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on June 25, 2006, 11:59:58 AM
milos milos milos....
calm down... u are still rehashing this?
me stating in my post i have great biceps was to illustrate the point to you that they over power my tris.......
you my friend are reading everything wrong.... me askin on the thread if u got my pm... wasnt to harass... you .. i genuinly honestly wanted to know if i got my pm...
and yes i have lots of bb dvd's that i buy
so...
how does me sayin i have great bi's...
and i have 30 dvd's make me a jerk...
look im not an inernet thug.. nor do i have time for internet games....
i SERIOUSLY genuinly asked u a question for GENUINE advice.. i was not if u think trying to knock u in anyway at all... and the more u type.. the more i see that u do think there was some ulterior motive for me commenting on my arms NO wrong
i asked you for advice,... you got rude.. i got rude simple...
i have good arms.. i only seeked... information from a veteran... type in triceps in the search engine.. and 80% f those threads u will see my name on
u not helping wont make me lose size.. me askin was just icing on the cake....
im not losing sleep....over it mate.... neither are you....
so.....
drop it... you keep brigin it up doesnt shine u in a great light....afterall im just some faceless... guy on the net... you are a pro... its a no win.. crusade...
thanks for your help...
peace...
meso

Meso, meso, meso...I am calm to the point that I can fall a sleep in no time...
I am only ALWAYS making a point when I try to say something...that's all.

Yes, you are faceless somebody - but I chose to answer faceless person's question...as I do all the time.
If you read what I said - I clearly made the point so I would not repeat myself.
I was NOT being rude...not in my book.

And as you said: "i SERIOUSLY genuinly asked u a question for GENUINE advice"...
did you genuinely consider getting the DVD that would genuinely answer your serious question?

I offered you even money back guarantee. Money that I would not even get from you - but I would guarantee to give you back IF you don't get your answers!

As I said - I am dealing with many fans for many years - and I know how to react when I sense something like I did with you.
To say it again - I was 100% right on assessing you...and as you see I have no problem exposing my rude behevior to "respectful fan"...




Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: alexxx on June 25, 2006, 12:02:31 PM
Meso, meso, meso...I am calm to the point that I can fall a sleep in no time...
I am only ALWAYS making a point when I try to say something...that's all.

Yes, you are faceless somebody - but I chose to answer faceless person's question...as I do all the time.
If you read what I said - I clearly made the point so I would not repeat myself.
I was NOT being rude...not in my book.

And as you said: "i SERIOUSLY genuinly asked u a question for GENUINE advice"...
did you genuinely consider getting the DVD that would genuinely answer your serious question?

I offered you even money back guarantee. Money that I would not even get from you - but I would guarantee to give you back IF you don't get your answers!

As I said - I am dealing with many fans for many years - and I know how to react when I sense something like I did with you.
To say it again - I was 100% right on assessing you...and as you see I have no problem exposing my rude behevior to "respectful fan"...






Mishko why are you brining this topic up again? It was dead for like a week then you barge in and let us all know what an insecure rude little man you really are. :-\
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: mesmorph78 on June 25, 2006, 06:16:54 PM
Milos....
trust me.. and you could bet ur house on it.. you are very wrong..... and took what i said wrong....
...because i said i have great bi's means im disrespectful???
....
easy now..
getting your dvd.. i said i have ur first dvd.....

i dont think the weider suppliers in the uk has ur new dvd... or battle for olympia 2005... which i am waiting for...as yet...
i really dont see why u keep bringin this up....
you belive what u think ... i i will stick with what i know... you can be as rude as u like.... doesnt affect me... my family, money .. food.. and pussy.... if u are not messing with these... whatever else u do is...pointless... you arent messin with any of the above.. so.... being rude.. is not only unecessary.. but bad press for you...
mmmm anyway
btw..
i read ur article in new flex about giant sets.... good stuff....

Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: WiseGuy on June 25, 2006, 06:40:25 PM

BUY MY DVD!


mike that is a great idea... why not film your next contest prep and sell it....

 ???
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: rocket on June 25, 2006, 07:15:07 PM
Nowhere in that first PM of his problem did I see any gratitude.   Just a demand for information.

It might not have really been like that in  your head meso but if you write absolutely nothing along the lines of thanks for any help then you come off as someone who just 'expects' to be answered.

The only place you can get away with demanding information is when you're putting money in the persons hand.

Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: mesmorph78 on June 25, 2006, 07:29:23 PM
mmm wsup rocket...
u make a valid.... point rocket.... but counter point... how can i show gratitude for what i had not recieved... though i digress ... my message could be misinterpretated..
but trust me im the last person to demand anything.... I asked... just for something to refresh my tri training...
hmmmmm..either way milos was rude.... and that is a given....

Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: latrell on June 25, 2006, 07:36:02 PM
milos you were a great bodybuilder, and now you are a bodybuilding 'guru'  and a lot of the pros depend on you, so you know your stuff. I don't want to intefere and what not but i've followed this thread and this is what I have to say,


ok you've made the dvd, and we all know about it becasue its all over bodybuilding.com, your site, and you are advocating it all the time (which you should be!). But just because someone is asking for advice it doen't mean you have to always respond with 'Buy my DVD, that'll give you info'. Not everyone has the money, or wants to pay 30 dollars for bodybuilding information, that's why they've joined this site so they can ask those kind of questions to the pros like you....Or watch a couple of your segments on the fitshow.. Just because you've made a DVD, for money or what not, it doesn't mean you can't answer peoples questions with serious responses like you would in the DVD. Its not like your going to lose money by helping people, a lot of people do help for free, not everyone has 350 dollars to hear your advice. Infact answering questions FOR FREE with real answers might even boost sales.

Thats all i gotta say,


all the best Milos,


latrell.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: 240 is Back on June 25, 2006, 08:14:16 PM
u make a valid.... point rocket.... but counter point... how can i show gratitude for what i had not recieved...

meso, in the past you have mentioned that where you live, talking trash between guys will result in one being beat up or severely hurt very quickly, almost always. 

maybe your way is just to be more abrasive than others are used to.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: alexxx on June 25, 2006, 08:16:09 PM
meso, in the past you have mentioned that where you live, talking trash between guys will result in one being beat up or severely hurt very quickly, almost always. 

maybe your way is just to be more abrasive than others are used to.

Are you saying that mesomorph intimidated milos?
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: 240 is Back on June 25, 2006, 08:22:27 PM
Are you saying that mesomorph intimidated milos?

nope.  i'm saying that meso is usually very abrupt, brief, direct, and often posts with a tinge of expectancy.  Milos may have seen that as the guy being demanding.   Usually when you email anyone in any field for a favor, you say something nice, ask for their opinion/answer to the Q, then either offer a service of your own should they ever need advice, or wish them some good luck competing or whatever in the coming season.

pleasantries... that's the word, I think.  meso seems to bypass these.  Milos might have been taken off guard by this.  Plus, Milos is probably one of the top 10 men in the world in his field, and he must get a dozen questions a day.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: alexxx on June 25, 2006, 08:24:09 PM
nope.  i'm saying that meso is usually very abrupt, brief, direct, and often posts with a tinge of expectancy.  Milos may have seen that as the guy being demanding.   Usually when you email anyone in any field for a favor, you say something nice, ask for their opinion/answer to the Q, then either offer a service of your own should they ever need advice, or wish them some good luck competing or whatever in the coming season.

pleasantries... that's the word, I think.  meso seems to bypass these.  Milos might have been taken off guard by this.  Plus, Milos is probably one of the top 10 men in the world in his field, and he must get a dozen questions a day.

So you are saying that milos was scared to answer meso's question in fear that meso might surpass him?
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: 240 is Back on June 25, 2006, 08:26:11 PM
So you are saying that milos was scared to answer meso's question in fear that meso might surpass him?

absolutely.  milos is trying to hold down those who are blessed with increible biceps and aren't afraid to let a pro know.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: alexxx on June 25, 2006, 08:27:33 PM
absolutely.  milos is trying to hold down those who are blessed with increible biceps and aren't afraid to let a pro know.

awww ok as long as we are on the same page. :)
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Luke Wood on June 25, 2006, 09:03:54 PM
absolutely.  milos is trying to hold down those who are blessed with increible biceps and aren't afraid to let a pro know.

Oh man i have heard it all now!! i cannot even comment on this one that how's ridiculos it sounds! Even beyond that!  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: 240 is Back on June 25, 2006, 09:06:37 PM
Oh man i have heard it all now!! i cannot even comment on this one that how's ridiculos it sounds! Even beyond that!  ::) ::)

lol relax, morningWood.  I was making fun of meso's own claims of greatness.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Luke Wood on June 25, 2006, 11:17:53 PM
Morning 240! :)
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: latrell on June 26, 2006, 02:20:20 AM
Morning 240! :)

Sup luke,

now that you are here I have some suggestions:

3 weeks out and coming close to the ny show, you looked great, super good. But at the show I think I know what exactly happened, you lost confidence. Through your poses and your routine, your head was down and you were shaking, and you were just casitng a shadow on yourself. Big Luke Wood, if you get your confidence up, and act like its your show, I don't there theres anyone stopping you (with the exception of a few) in a couple years.

Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: gibberj2 on June 26, 2006, 04:42:38 AM
240 that baby is mad cool.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: 240 is Back on June 26, 2006, 05:31:27 AM
240 that baby is mad cool.

it's a little german baby from WWII, i think. 
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Luke Wood on June 26, 2006, 05:38:51 AM
Sup luke,

now that you are here I have some suggestions:

3 weeks out and coming close to the ny show, you looked great, super good. But at the show I think I know what exactly happened, you lost confidence. Through your poses and your routine, your head was down and you were shaking, and you were just casitng a shadow on yourself. Big Luke Wood, if you get your confidence up, and act like its your show, I don't there theres anyone stopping you (with the exception of a few) in a couple years.

Keep up the good work.

Thankyou! I do have an anwser and i never make excuses, just the truth. I posted on Milos's board as i was asked the same question. Even up until 1 week out if you see the pictures. I could'nt have been more happy.a week out i came down with a Urinary Tract infection!! It was extremley painful and something i have never experienced! Trying to practice my posing during the week was very hard and certain poses were just to painful to do! I was very upset as i was in the shape of my life and win, lose or draw i knew i was going to be at my best and thats all i can do. I had to use antibiotics early in the week and they seemed to help but it was still painful. Than when i arrived in NY and started drying right out, the pain was unbearable because the worst thing you can do with this type of infection is stop drinking water, but i was determine to get on that stage and i know alot of guys would have pulled out but i just could'nt do that. Back stage i was contantly rubbing my lower abdomen as it was bloated and sore. I would pump up for a few sets and sit down, pump up and sit down. I knew after Pre-juding i was out of the 10 and i was very upset, not at the fact i was getting the callouts i wanted but because i knew how great i was looking before i got sick. Trying to hold poses on stage was extremely painful and as a result my confidence went out the window and thats why i appeared how i did. Milos was trying his hardest to help me stay tight on stage but he also knew i was hurting big time. It was hard for Milos as well, because he also knew i was in my best shape ever before this.  Im not saying i would have made top 5 or even top 10, but i know i would have been in much better shape and been able to give the judges alot better look at the real Luke Wood. Well next time.
Thankyou for asking and i hope this answered your question.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Luke Wood on June 26, 2006, 05:48:30 AM
1 week before NY
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
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Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: jeffrey. on June 26, 2006, 05:51:54 AM
looking sick mate!!!!!!!.....how much are you weighing now?
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Luke Wood on June 26, 2006, 05:52:38 AM
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Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: bb doc on June 26, 2006, 05:54:05 AM
Urinary Tract infections in men are much rarer than women - you should ask your doctor why this happened to you.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Luke Wood on June 26, 2006, 05:54:50 AM
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Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
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Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Sumpa on June 26, 2006, 06:05:23 AM
Urinary Tract infections in men are much rarer than women - you should ask your doctor why this happened to you.

Rare, but they still happen. And how could the doctor possibly know how it happened? He probably can tell what type of bacteria it was though. Most often it's a colon bacteria. How colon bacteria got there is Luke's little secret...  ;)
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Luke Wood on June 26, 2006, 06:05:56 AM
Hello Jeff mate. Right now just taking it easy and will step it up again in a few weeks. Got a bit of the flu right now. Im sitting on 126kg right now.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: jeffrey. on June 26, 2006, 06:09:57 AM
Hello Jeff mate. Right now just taking it easy and will step it up again in a few weeks. Got a bit of the flu right now. Im sitting on 126kg right now.
hope you can get it all together for the oz show,next year!!will be there to support you for sure.and i will for sure be working with you next years southern hemisphere.i am hungry to improve!
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: anvil on June 26, 2006, 07:19:03 AM
DAMN, Luke, yer lookin' huge!
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: alexxx on June 26, 2006, 07:24:02 AM
Hey Luke your chest is pretty damn sick. What do you do for it!

AlexxxelA
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: latrell on June 26, 2006, 07:41:30 AM
Thankyou! I do have an anwser and i never make excuses, just the truth. I posted on Milos's board as i was asked the same question. Even up until 1 week out if you see the pictures. I could'nt have been more happy.a week out i came down with a Urinary Tract infection!! It was extremley painful and something i have never experienced! Trying to practice my posing during the week was very hard and certain poses were just to painful to do! I was very upset as i was in the shape of my life and win, lose or draw i knew i was going to be at my best and thats all i can do. I had to use antibiotics early in the week and they seemed to help but it was still painful. Than when i arrived in NY and started drying right out, the pain was unbearable because the worst thing you can do with this type of infection is stop drinking water, but i was determine to get on that stage and i know alot of guys would have pulled out but i just could'nt do that. Back stage i was contantly rubbing my lower abdomen as it was bloated and sore. I would pump up for a few sets and sit down, pump up and sit down. I knew after Pre-juding i was out of the 10 and i was very upset, not at the fact i was getting the callouts i wanted but because i knew how great i was looking before i got sick. Trying to hold poses on stage was extremely painful and as a result my confidence went out the window and thats why i appeared how i did. Milos was trying his hardest to help me stay tight on stage but he also knew i was hurting big time. It was hard for Milos as well, because he also knew i was in my best shape ever before this.  Im not saying i would have made top 5 or even top 10, but i know i would have been in much better shape and been able to give the judges alot better look at the real Luke Wood. Well next time.
Thankyou for asking and i hope this answered your question.

Yeah luke defenitely, and good luck at your next show! ;D
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: jaejonna on June 26, 2006, 07:54:10 AM
Luke is an ALL THE WAY BIG DUDE!!
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: dr.chimps on June 26, 2006, 08:52:09 AM
Man, Luke is just slabs of hanging beef. Amazing shape and some serious conditioning. That's what it's all about. Gold star for your refrigerator Luke. 
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Armageddon on June 26, 2006, 09:09:15 AM
Lookin damn good Luke. I am impressed. All the best in your next contest
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on June 26, 2006, 10:28:00 AM
Milos....
trust me.. and you could bet ur house on it.. you are very wrong..... and took what i said wrong....
...because i said i have great bi's means im disrespectful???
....
easy now..
getting your dvd.. i said i have ur first dvd.....

i dont think the weider suppliers in the uk has ur new dvd... or battle for olympia 2005... which i am waiting for...as yet...
i really dont see why u keep bringin this up....
you belive what u think ... i i will stick with what i know... you can be as rude as u like.... doesnt affect me... my family, money .. food.. and pussy.... if u are not messing with these... whatever else u do is...pointless... you arent messin with any of the above.. so.... being rude.. is not only unecessary.. but bad press for you...
mmmm anyway
btw..
i read ur article in new flex about giant sets.... good stuff....



I wouldn't bet my house in ANY CASE but in your situation I was (am) 100% on the mark.
You are proving that with each and every post.

Who are you to tell me that my head is in the clouds, that I need to calm down, go easy...etc...
On top of that - that I am rude?!

As it is more than obvious - I keep posting here as I don't find ANYTHING that I am doing or saying - remotely rude.
I am putting you in your place (if you didn't notice).

I never said you are disrespectful by saying that you have great biceps. How did you come up with that?
However, I am saying that you are full of yourself stating that you have ANYTHING great.

Much better man would NEVER say that...as confident people do not need to brag about how great they truly are.

***You kept insisting that I didn't answer your PM - like I owe you that answer - and I am obligated to do it as quickly as possible (as you kept reminding me that I still didn't answer your PM >:(...

***After suggesting that you should get SPECIALIZED DVD that answers EXACTLY concerns that you are asking me (specific exercises to stimulate specific parts of particular muscles - including TRICEPS) - you requested that YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM MY MOUTH!
Again - like I owe you that.

***Upon letting you know that I would give you money back guarantee if you find my DVD anything less than satisfactory and knowing that you have LARGE collection of training DVD's I figured I am asking someone who already has a habit of purchasing training DVD's (not someone who NEVER did that) - and you refused it it was MORE THAN OBVIOUS to me what is going on here. And you confirmed that over and over again...

***So I am more than happy getting all this "bad press" (as you are suggesting). To me this is EXACTLY what I want everyone to know about me - as this IS me. I have no problem helping thousands of people whom I chose to help - and also I have no problem letting some people (like you) know that I will NOT help them as I simply don't think they deserve my help.
You are PERFECT example of someone that DOES NOT deserve my help or respect... ;)

Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: rocket on June 26, 2006, 10:28:49 AM
mmm wsup rocket...
u make a valid.... point rocket.... but counter point... how can i show gratitude for what i had not recieved... though i digress ... my message could be misinterpretated..
but trust me im the last person to demand anything.... I asked... just for something to refresh my tri training...
hmmmmm..either way milos was rude.... and that is a given....



I think you know how you can show gratitude before you've received the help.  Do you really want me to spell it out?  I'm sure you don't need me to.  Of course we're talking about a question of whether you should.  In most cases its just easier to say it.  I mean it seems likely you would be thankful to receive the information.  You're hardly lying if you say, appreciate any help.

Its not necessarily how I'd react to it but I don't blame him for doing so.  Was he rude?  No more than you came off to him.  I know you probably didn't mean that though but you can't expect him to read between the lines, he doesn't know you after all.

Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on June 26, 2006, 10:43:49 AM
milos you were a great bodybuilder, and now you are a bodybuilding 'guru'  and a lot of the pros depend on you, so you know your stuff. I don't want to intefere and what not but i've followed this thread and this is what I have to say,


ok you've made the dvd, and we all know about it becasue its all over bodybuilding.com, your site, and you are advocating it all the time (which you should be!). But just because someone is asking for advice it doen't mean you have to always respond with 'Buy my DVD, that'll give you info'. Not everyone has the money, or wants to pay 30 dollars for bodybuilding information, that's why they've joined this site so they can ask those kind of questions to the pros like you....Or watch a couple of your segments on the fitshow.. Just because you've made a DVD, for money or what not, it doesn't mean you can't answer peoples questions with serious responses like you would in the DVD. Its not like your going to lose money by helping people, a lot of people do help for free, not everyone has 350 dollars to hear your advice. Infact answering questions FOR FREE with real answers might even boost sales.

Thats all i gotta say,


all the best Milos,


latrell.


Here is another brilliant observation...
Just because...just because...

#1) I taped segments of the FITSHOW FOR FREE - to help all the bodybuilding fans around the world.
Fitshow was featured FREE OF CHARGE on bodybuilding.com

#2) I allowed FITSHOW to tape the show at my gym (not just my segments) for free - and came to the gym on my days off - just so I can give FIRST CLASS INFO to ALL the bodybuilding fans (did I say - for free?)

#3) Only when I realized that FITSHOW guys (Chapman group) is in financial trouble I suggested to them to make the DVD - and sell it - so they can get some finances to continue what they are doing (read - give great FREE show to bodybuilding fans...Including the broadcast of several IFBB pro shows).

#4) For that reason also I am very much ready and willing to help FITSHOW guys sell as many DVD's as possible - to support their business.
Besides I think DVD is absolutely worth having - and on top of everything else - I GAVE THE MONEY BACK PERSONAL GUARANTEE.
I don't remember offering my "True bodybuilding" video...instead I offered "Secrets of the pros" DVD...


For your comment - not everyone has the $30 or wants to pay that much for bodybuilding information...For those who don't - it is their choice...
For those of us who charge for that kind of service it is our choice to decide IF we are willing to give that service for free to some people.
I happen to give free advice most of my life - and I enjoy doing it...But also I have no problem putting some people in their place - just like I did with MESO...(who absolutely never expects anything for free ::))
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: jaejonna on June 26, 2006, 11:08:16 AM

...But also I have no problem putting some people in their place - just like I did with MESO...(who absolutely never expects anything for free ::))

How did you put him in his place?  He asked a question, you didnt answer, he asked why, you said you have special powers that senses when people are up to something, he just then said 'thanks ok', but you continued to diss him, thus furthering your reputation as a world class jerk. So where in all of that did you put Meso in his place ???
Where??
You continue to make yourself a prick, over and over and over and over again.... Just dont answer anyone's questions, comments, ect....that is my suggestion.

Plus, if you need help on a new bicep regimen for your upcoming return to the stage you can PM me anytime... well get you to 18 inches...maybe ...

Enjoy life a little, it will do wonders for how you interact with people...... try it sometime
 
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: anvil on June 26, 2006, 11:10:39 AM
How did you put him in his place?  He asked a question, you didnt answer, he asked why, you said you have special powers that senses when people are up to something, he just thanks ok, you continue to diss him, thus furthering your reputation as a world class jerk. So where in all of that did you put Meso in his place ???
Where??
You continue to make yourself a prick, over and over an over and over again.... Just dont answer anyones questions, comments, ect....that is my suggestion.
If you need help on a new bicep regimen for your upcoming return to the stage you can PM me anytime... well get you to 18 inches...maybe ...
 

Milos can sense things, the Force is strong with him.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: jaejonna on June 26, 2006, 11:13:29 AM
Milos can sense things, the Force is strong with him.
IT\ts probably some left over synthol swishing around in his skull.... :-* :-*
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on June 26, 2006, 11:21:55 AM
How did you put him in his place?  He asked a question, you didnt answer, he asked why, you said you have special powers that senses when people are up to something, he just then said 'thanks ok', but you continued to diss him, thus furthering your reputation as a world class jerk. So where in all of that did you put Meso in his place ???
Where??
You continue to make yourself a prick, over and over and over and over again.... Just dont answer anyone's questions, comments, ect....that is my suggestion.

Plus, if you need help on a new bicep regimen for your upcoming return to the stage you can PM me anytime... well get you to 18 inches...maybe ...

Enjoy life a little, it will do wonders for how you interact with people...... try it sometime
 

Just like I put you in your place (along with other Amigos)...
Your place is in the basement where you are continuing to hide...but obviously you can teach me thing or two about interacting with people (what I do for living in every aspect of my life...).

I am continuing making myself looking exactly as I want to look - and I am proudly walking every step of the way (of my life) everywhere I go.
Remember - I stand behind my actions.
For those few great people (like you and other Amigos) I can be called prick or anything else you chose to...If I would respect you even remotely maybe I would care what you think of me...But, as someone that takes all your insulting comments and summarise it into a challenge which showed you in your true light (read: scared sh..less to come and challenge 125 pound woman in curling contest) - I am being called rude as..ole or prick...
So be it..


Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on June 26, 2006, 11:25:07 AM
Milos can sense things, the Force is strong with him.

Well...it is called common sense...and I have plenty of that.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: anvil on June 26, 2006, 11:27:29 AM
Well...it is called common sense...and I have plenty of that.

nice one 8)
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: gh15 on June 26, 2006, 11:28:09 AM
"Your place is in the basement where you are continuing to hide..."

 :D

milos is too nice to answer these stupid comments,,i wouldnt even pee twards their direction
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: dr.chimps on June 26, 2006, 12:43:19 PM
You are PERFECT example of someone that DOES NOT deserve my help or respect... ;)
Milos coming off the top rope with the atomic elbow for the three count.  ;D
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: jaejonna on June 26, 2006, 12:52:41 PM
"Your place is in the basement where you are continuing to hide..."

 :D

milos is too nice to answer these stupid comments,,i wouldnt even pee twards their direction

OK GH15 ...your such a smart guy i guess.... living behind the username....
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: jaejonna on June 26, 2006, 12:55:48 PM
Jaejonna thank you for exposing me as a prick and asshole some times I say things without thinking them through... I will let you read this then I will have to delete what has been written. Im sorry Im too proud sometimes.... i let pride get the best of me many times before , this is such an occasion...



No problem Milos, you are a great champion and even better man for recognizing your mistakes..Take Care God Bless  ;)
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: latrell on June 26, 2006, 03:05:17 PM

Here is another brilliant observation...
Just because...just because...

#1) I taped segments of the FITSHOW FOR FREE - to help all the bodybuilding fans around the world.
Fitshow was featured FREE OF CHARGE on bodybuilding.com

#2) I allowed FITSHOW to tape the show at my gym (not just my segments) for free - and came to the gym on my days off - just so I can give FIRST CLASS INFO to ALL the bodybuilding fans (did I say - for free?)

#3) Only when I realized that FITSHOW guys (Chapman group) is in financial trouble I suggested to them to make the DVD - and sell it - so they can get some finances to continue what they are doing (read - give great FREE show to bodybuilding fans...Including the broadcast of several IFBB pro shows).

#4) For that reason also I am very much ready and willing to help FITSHOW guys sell as many DVD's as possible - to support their business.
Besides I think DVD is absolutely worth having - and on top of everything else - I GAVE THE MONEY BACK PERSONAL GUARANTEE.
I don't remember offering my "True bodybuilding" video...instead I offered "Secrets of the pros" DVD...


For your comment - not everyone has the $30 or wants to pay that much for bodybuilding information...For those who don't - it is their choice...
For those of us who charge for that kind of service it is our choice to decide IF we are willing to give that service for free to some people.
I happen to give free advice most of my life - and I enjoy doing it...But also I have no problem putting some people in their place - just like I did with MESO...(who absolutely never expects anything for free ::))

Milos thanks for clearing it up, telling me the Chapman situation really cleared everything up, and you letting them do the fitshow for free and what not. Sorry about the mix up man, and good luck shutting down meso,

pce man!!
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Luke Wood on June 26, 2006, 04:06:55 PM
Guys i did'nt mean to hijack this thread about Milos. The thread does ask "Question for Milos or any of his Team". Well i am a on Team Milos and VERY proud of that.
Guys this thing is blowing out of proportion and this an issue between Meso and Milos. When its one on one and its a fair fight, i do my best to stay out it. But when some of you guys throw comments in that have nothing nothing to do with you or have nothing to do with this dispute, than i have a promblem. Milos is one of my closet friends and i proud and previlaged to be associated with him! so i will interfer when comments about this thread are just being nothing but disrespectful. Some guys here i have a beef with from time to time may never say a bad word about Milos or some guys here whom im never had a bad word with may be saying disrespectful things towards Milos, his family or any otherbodybuilder who is my friend, so thats when i interfer! Now this thing between Milos and Mess has nothing to do with me, but when comments about SYNTHOL, FAMILY, A-HOLE, PRICK etc, than i have a promblem! so keep that shit out of it!
I know the highs and lows Milos has been through, but he always got back on his feet and solidered on to new and better heights. He is a great family man and without a doubt one of if not the hardest working bodybuilder out there! 99% of his time is devoted to helping people and being with his family! as well as running a gym, worting articles, training cleints, driving 140 miles everyday and the list goes on!

Jaejonna, we buried our hatchet, fine. But comments like Milos and synthol floating around in his brain is totally uncalled for! its disrespectful and more so has nothing to do with me, you or anyone else.
Milos had his reasons for not replying to the pm and he is entitled who he helps and does'nt. Then guys throw in there little comments along the way that have nothing to do with them and in turn Milos will reply back to you and next thing the thread does another U-TURN!
I have spent alot of time with Milos in and out of the gym! Ive been to his home and i consider his family my family. I see the hard work and dedication he puts in to helping so many people!! SO MANY! i see him always giving his time to others! I see him helping people with training, nutrition or just being a great person! Milos will be a friend for life if you show him respect!
So even though i may not have a promblem with some of these guys, being disrespectful to someone who has done so much for my exposure, physique, knowledge on and off the stage, hard times and good times than i than have promblem with them!
My point is. Stay out of it and if you want to contribute, do so in a way that is not being disrespectful!
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Luke Wood on June 26, 2006, 04:23:17 PM
Thankyou guys for your comments on the pics i posted!! there are alot of good people here and continue to post here for them!
There was a question about my chest training. I have posted this before, but i do it again here. Up until 12 mths ago my chest was probably my biggest weak point! It still needs some more thickness, but it has improved 100%! I was always very strong in chest, but it would'nt grow like it should or how i wanted it to. My delts seem to growing crazy but not chest?? Milos and i spoke about this and last year he said "lets do chest toether". From the first 2 or 3 sets of bench press, Milos found the promblem!! my chest was not expanding and just staying relaxed throughout the whole workout! therefore i using every other muscle to lift except chest! i would still get a pump before but not like this now! I was bringing th bar to low and not keeping my elbows out. There was not stretch. I was just lifting and not contracting! Milos taught me half the weight how my chest will explode in 12mths doing this technique. With only a light weight (2 plates, max of 3 plates) suing this technique how keeping the chest flexed throughout the whole rep and bring the bar high and elbows out has made me put alot of size and thickness to my chest and has really helped make my whole upperbody look into proportion with my lower body. I do this way with all my chest movements. Bench press, incline barbell, flat bench flyes, seated machine fly machine and cable cross overs.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Stavios on June 26, 2006, 04:24:33 PM
Thankyou guys for your comments on the pics i posted!! there are alot of good people here and continue to post here for them!
There was a question about my chest training. I have posted this before, but i do it again here. Up until 12 mths ago my chest was probably my biggest weak point! It still needs some more thickness, but it has improved 100%! I was always very strong in chest, but it would'nt grow like it should or how i wanted it to. My delts seem to growing crazy but not chest?? Milos and i spoke about this and last year he said "lets do chest toether". From the first 2 or 3 sets of bench press, Milos found the promblem!! my chest was not expanding and just staying relaxed throughout the whole workout! therefore i using every other muscle to lift except chest! i would still get a pump before but not like this now! I was bringing th bar to low and not keeping my elbows out. There was not stretch. I was just lifting and not contracting! Milos taught me half the weight how my chest will explode in 12mths doing this technique. With only a light weight (2 plates, max of 3 plates) suing this technique how keeping the chest flexed throughout the whole rep and bring the bar high and elbows out has made me put alot of size and thickness to my chest and has really helped make my whole upperbody look into proportion with my lower body. I do this way with all my chest movements. Bench press, incline barbell, flat bench flyes, seated machine fly machine and cable cross overs.

So you are saying that touching your chest with the bar isn't a good thing ?  ???
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: 240 is Back on June 26, 2006, 04:48:02 PM
Rare, but they still happen. And how could the doctor possibly know how it happened? He probably can tell what type of bacteria it was though. Most often it's a colon bacteria. How colon bacteria got there is Luke's little secret...  ;)

Brutal anal tappage.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: mesmorph78 on June 26, 2006, 05:19:38 PM
I wouldn't bet my house in ANY CASE but in your situation I was (am) 100% on the mark.
You are proving that with each and every post.

Who are you to tell me that my head is in the clouds, that I need to calm down, go easy...etc...
On top of that - that I am rude?!

As it is more than obvious - I keep posting here as I don't find ANYTHING that I am doing or saying - remotely rude.
I am putting you in your place (if you didn't notice).

I never said you are disrespectful by saying that you have great biceps. How did you come up with that?
However, I am saying that you are full of yourself stating that you have ANYTHING great.

Much better man would NEVER say that...as confident people do not need to brag about how great they truly are.

***You kept insisting that I didn't answer your PM - like I owe you that answer - and I am obligated to do it as quickly as possible (as you kept reminding me that I still didn't answer your PM >:(...

***After suggesting that you should get SPECIALIZED DVD that answers EXACTLY concerns that you are asking me (specific exercises to stimulate specific parts of particular muscles - including TRICEPS) - you requested that YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM MY MOUTH!
Again - like I owe you that.

***Upon letting you know that I would give you money back guarantee if you find my DVD anything less than satisfactory and knowing that you have LARGE collection of training DVD's I figured I am asking someone who already has a habit of purchasing training DVD's (not someone who NEVER did that) - and you refused it it was MORE THAN OBVIOUS to me what is going on here. And you confirmed that over and over again...

***So I am more than happy getting all this "bad press" (as you are suggesting). To me this is EXACTLY what I want everyone to know about me - as this IS me. I have no problem helping thousands of people whom I chose to help - and also I have no problem letting some people (like you) know that I will NOT help them as I simply don't think they deserve my help.
You are PERFECT example of someone that DOES NOT deserve my help or respect... ;)


milos milos milos...
who am i to tell u to get ur head out the clouds calm down etc etc....
i am a man just like u..... or is it because ur a pro.. then u dont think.. a lesser being should address u so...
correction...
i am a man just like u.... u are not better than me... be both eat drink... piss and shit....
just because i ask u a question... in a subject in which u are a pro.. doesnt mean im inawe of u... or i need to bow down to u...
if u are rude to me... any being.. Bar  almighty god...
i will tell u to get over yourself....

the whole money back guarnatee i didnt even read that... i stopped reading what u were pmin.... closely... after u were rude.... i can tell u every excercise you did on the first dvd... also i can tell u word for word... your speech at the bfto 2004 press conference.. previously to that u.. made a brief cameo in bfto 2001... where u pulled a funny face as the camera paned unto you.... just in case u u think im lying
I have no problem purchasing any dvd..... as i have stated i own a large collection.... ur first included...
ok lemme clear something up.. i wasnt askin for help per say.... my arms are fine.... i was askin for suggestion same as i would ask anyone... who i think could throw a spanner in the..whole routine.... week after week... in fact i have asked many members on here.... what they do for triceps.. regardless of what level they are on...  so please.... lean back.
i see that u will not let this drop until it gets really disrespectful.... but i wont go that route with you... although i could......pointless waste of time... plus internet tough guy im not... argueing is for females.... i dont argue... so this is my last on the subject.... u can assume what u will of me... i dont care.. as long as I know what my intentions were thats all that matter...
peace meso

Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: 240 is Back on June 26, 2006, 05:28:09 PM
milos milos milos...
who am i to tell u to get ur head out the clouds calm down etc etc....
i am a man just like u..... or is it because ur a pro.. then u dont think.. a lesser being should address u so...correction...i am a man just like u.... u are not better than me... be both eat drink... piss and shit....just because i ask u a question... in a subject in which u are a pro.. doesnt mean im inawe f u... or i need to bow down to u...if u are rude to me... any being.. Bar  almighty god...i will tell u to get over yourself.... the whole money back guarnatee i didnt even read that... i stopped reading what u were pmin.... closely... after u were rude.... i can tell u every excercise you did on the first dvd... also i can tell u word for word... your speech at the bfto 2004 press conference.. previously to that u.. made a brief cameo in bfto 2001... where u pulled a funny face as the camera paned unto you.... just in case u u think im lying I have no problem purchasing any dvd..... as i have stated i own a large collection.... ur first included... ok lemme clear something up.. i wasnt askin for help per say.... my arms are fine.... i was askin for suggestion same as i would ask anyone... who i think could throw a spanner in the..whole routine.... week after week... in fact i have asked many members on here.... what they do for triceps.. regardless of what level they are on...  so please.... lean back. i see that u will not let this drop until it gets really disrespectful.... but i wont go that route with you... although i could......pointless waste of time... plus internet tough guy im not... argueing is for females.... i dont argue... so this is my last on the subject.... u can assume what u will of me... i dont care.. as long as I know what my intentions were thats all that matter...
peace meso

Sounds like you've made a "meso" the English language.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Xecutioner on June 26, 2006, 06:12:49 PM
Milos, for what it's worth, after having read all of that which you have written, I respect you. I am also going to buy this dvd of yours as I can obviously stand to benefit from the knowledge that it no doubt posseses.  I've watched the fitshows and found them very informative. If anyone is going to make a buck off of me, it might as well be someone who deserves it. I rarely post and I have never had anything bad to say about anyone, on these boards or any others, so this can serve as a warning to those who may try to attack me, I won't respond.

Milso, don't lose faith in these boards or any others, not that I need to be the one to tell you anything. However, I'd imagine that with so much ignorance being as evident as it is on these boards, it's easy to forget that people like me appreciate you, and people like you.

 
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Luke Wood on June 26, 2006, 08:53:40 PM
So you are saying that touching your chest with the bar isn't a good thing ?  ???

No im not saying that. Absolutely touch the chest with the bar!!  Bring the bar up high with elbows out and touch the chest! the stretch is awsome!
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on June 27, 2006, 01:08:50 AM

No problem Milos, you are a great champion and even better man for recognizing your mistakes..Take Care God Bless  ;)

I see that you are also capable of presenting FALSE messages - as something that I supposedly wrote...
Last time it was your partner in crime (girl named Alexxx)...

This just shows your character...
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on June 27, 2006, 01:32:03 AM
milos milos milos...
who am i to tell u to get ur head out the clouds calm down etc etc....
i am a man just like u..... or is it because ur a pro.. then u dont think.. a lesser being should address u so...
correction...
i am a man just like u.... u are not better than me... be both eat drink... piss and shit....
just because i ask u a question... in a subject in which u are a pro.. doesnt mean im inawe of u... or i need to bow down to u...
if u are rude to me... any being.. Bar  almighty god...
i will tell u to get over yourself....

the whole money back guarnatee i didnt even read that... i stopped reading what u were pmin.... closely... after u were rude.... i can tell u every excercise you did on the first dvd... also i can tell u word for word... your speech at the bfto 2004 press conference.. previously to that u.. made a brief cameo in bfto 2001... where u pulled a funny face as the camera paned unto you.... just in case u u think im lying
I have no problem purchasing any dvd..... as i have stated i own a large collection.... ur first included...
ok lemme clear something up.. i wasnt askin for help per say.... my arms are fine.... i was askin for suggestion same as i would ask anyone... who i think could throw a spanner in the..whole routine.... week after week... in fact i have asked many members on here.... what they do for triceps.. regardless of what level they are on...  so please.... lean back.
i see that u will not let this drop until it gets really disrespectful.... but i wont go that route with you... although i could......pointless waste of time... plus internet tough guy im not... argueing is for females.... i dont argue... so this is my last on the subject.... u can assume what u will of me... i dont care.. as long as I know what my intentions were thats all that matter...
peace meso



Meso - with every word you are confirming everything I already stated...
You can assume all you want - but me being a pro makes me NO BETTER than anyone or better than I was BEFORE I turned pro...
Making assumption like this only confirms to me what you think of the IFBB pros...

Now - I don't really understand what you mean by - you are not in awe with me or that you should bow down to me...(like I would expect that?)
However - it is interesting that you know my speech at 2001, 2004 press conference of "BFTO"...( I don't )...

Let me break it to you: I am no better than ANY human being out there...I treat people exactly the way I want to be treated.
I was NOT rude to you - I only gave you little bit of the medicine you should have been given long ago...

You are becoming major waste of my time - and I will withdraw from any additional conversation with you (like I did with some other members here - that don't deserve my attention).

Next time you want something for free - try to be nice...it just might work...

Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: littleguns on June 27, 2006, 06:14:56 AM
Guys i did'nt mean to hijack this thread about Milos. The thread does ask "Question for Milos or any of his Team". Well i am a on Team Milos and VERY proud of that.
Guys this thing is blowing out of proportion and this an issue between Meso and Milos.

Luke, I fully agreee. Let's finally move on, get in the gym and lift.

Luke, also thanks for sharing your chest regimen. I'm looking forward to seeing you on stage hopefully in the very near future!
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Count Grishnackh on June 27, 2006, 11:13:47 PM
I agree with the majority of posts on this board defending milos.

But, on the other hand, basically repeating buy my dvd, buy my dvd, buy my dvd is being a bit of a dick.

I remember when I was younger maybe 24 at the time, I was interested in training HeavyDuty (Mike Mentzer's HIT program). I met a guy at the gym who suggested that I check his website out and buy his first book, then make my own decisions.

I did so. Then I sent Mike Mentzer an email (and Luke, you would have to admit that in terms of being a BB guru mentzer was probably at least as well known or more well known than Milos). I just asked him a bunch of bullshit questions about Heavy Duty.

Well, obviously he was just as busy as milos would be now (probably moreso)....instead of deleting the email or sending me an email saying buy my next book...he told me to send him my number. Then he called me (long distance I might add, at his expense) and talked to me for like 1 and 1/2 hours (NO CHARGE) explaining the basics of heavy duty and answering my questions. He then told me to think about it and whether I would like to pay him to be my trainer.

I never ended up doing it, and Mike (as we all know) passed away soon after.



Hey, what were Mike's fees like back then? Sounds like he was a damn good guy
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: latrell on June 28, 2006, 01:12:26 PM
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WOW.

Luke your so in shape there your veins in the head are out too, that is simpily amazing. Again WOW. Luke seriously if you work on your manadatories, which will obviously come with more experience and practice, you will be one of the best for sure. You are really rare, physiques like that come along once a decade.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: Luke Wood on June 28, 2006, 02:45:26 PM
Thankyou very much for that post Latrell!!! ;)
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: leycus 101 on June 28, 2006, 03:01:19 PM
WOW.

Luke your so in shape there your veins in the head are out too, that is simpily amazing. Again WOW. Luke seriously if you work on your manadatories, which will obviously come with more experience and practice, you will be one of the best for sure. You are really rare, physiques like that come along once a decade.



once a decade? huh.... im confused
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: TurboZorb on June 29, 2006, 03:15:21 AM
Luke, I just saw the pics.  Massive improvement in the chest from your Liverpool Squashlands days.
 :o
I mean huuuuge.
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: TheGoldenPrince on June 29, 2006, 05:31:29 AM
Thankyou very much for that post Latrell!!! ;)

Hey either Luke or Milos, what would you recommend in the way of BB training & nutrition for this enthusiastic new trainee here below eager to take his physique to your epic "Pro" proportions? He's already "Nationals" calibre and already a Pro but needs to take the next step for the Olympia title, ALL-NATURAL BABY! ;D
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: alexxx on June 29, 2006, 07:45:05 AM
Hey either Luke or Milos, what would you recommend in the way of BB training & nutrition for this enthusiastic new trainee here below eager to take his physique to your epic "Pro" proportions? He's already "Nationals" calibre and already a Pro but needs to take the next step for the Olympia title, ALL-NATURAL BABY! ;D


Stop it! You're killing them. Why do you have to make fun of poor baby Luke's and Milos' weak workouts?
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: the choad on July 06, 2006, 05:34:52 PM
Just wanted to add that Milos was very Helpful the one time i PM"d him asking about certain Supplements to reduce Gyno..He gave me his honest opinion...And even suggested a certain product that gave me the results i was looking for. I can honestly say that he was very helpful..Thanks Milos
Title: Re: Question for Milos or any of his Team
Post by: 240 is Back on July 06, 2006, 05:39:25 PM
Luke your so in shape there your veins in the head are out too, that is simpily amazing. Again WOW. Luke seriously if you work on your manadatories, which will obviously come with more experience and practice, you will be one of the best for sure. You are really rare, physiques like that come along once a decade.

epic asskissing.