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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Positive Bodybuilding Discussion & Talk => Natural Bodybuilding => Topic started by: Swedish Viking on June 16, 2006, 03:19:08 PM
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Thought I'd give the raw vegan route a try. I have been raw omni(animal products included in diet) for about 2 yrs and thought I'd give the vegan way a chance. Still going to stay strict with my no supplement rule and no more than 2 meals daily with maybe one snack a day rule. We'll see how it goes, I'll do it as long as my body says it's cool, if that means forever then that is what I plan on doing; if it means just 2 days, then that will be it. I'd like, though, to keep it up for at least a month to see how both my body and my training change. Here are some pics of me now:
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2 meals a day and no supplements. wow buddy your gonna get even smaller. vegan is cool. but you need to consume alot of protein and i dont think you can get that much protein without some whey. and only 2 meals a day. that just sounds horrible. but if your going for the lindsey lohan, paris hilton look. your right on track
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Why only 2 meals per day? What is the reasoning?
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eating constantly just doesn't make a lot of sense to me anymore. I went that route when I was eating cooked, several years back, and I don't really want to go back, it left me no time for digestion...let alone anything else. Really, to each his/her own...but I just don't want to do it anymore. Anyway, I'm not trying to be Ronnie Coleman or anything, just the best I can be. It's important to me that my lifestyle doesn't contradict my thoughts and beliefs in other areas of life, such as the evironment which I'm pretty passionate about-that's the other equally important reason for the vegan route and only 2 meals daily thing. Basically I just want my lifestlye to be as sustainable as possible. But like I said, if the vegan thing isn't sustaining me(which it very well might not), then I'll go back to raw omni and continue doing my best to get all my food from sustainable sources.
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2 meals a day and no supplements. wow buddy your gonna get even smaller. vegan is cool. but you need to consume alot of protein and i dont think you can get that much protein without some whey. and only 2 meals a day. that just sounds horrible. but if your going for the lindsey lohan, paris hilton look. your right on track
I don't know how well this will work, but you look great now.
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could you give a breakdown of you're current diet as a raw omi. Im facinated.
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Well, i've been raw lacto ovo veg for over a week now, but before then it was:
Morning meal-fat shake:
6-7 raw eggs, 1/4-1/2 lb un-pasteurized raw butter, 1 tbsp un-heated/raw honey, and 1 mango or banana or 1 pint raspberries. This doesn't sound good but it's good as hell and I invite anyone to try it, with or without the raw butter(but DON'T do normal buttter that you find in the store), for their breakfast smoothie.
Evening Meal: 1-2lbs of raw meat, either chicken or beef, or bison(this is what I've been eating lately).
Every now and then I would have an orange or two during the day.
Now my two meals are two huge salads with 1 whole head of lettuce, 1 pepper, some onion, 2 whole avocados, and 2-3 whole carrots, and some raw dressing. I still seem to go back to the orange every now and again during the day.
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Evening Meal: 1-2lbs of raw meat, either chicken or beef, or bison(this is what I've been eating lately).
Have you ever gotten sick from eating raw meats? The thought of this makes me uneasy.
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What's the advantage of eating raw meat-could be a high chance of food poisoning??
The diet seems to go against all bodybuilding protocols ie 6 meals a day but you look excellent in the pics.
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I only got really sick once or twice. Once from meat and once from milk. The meat, I should say, was rotten, not just raw. That was also a long time ago. I should also say that raw food can never poison anyone. People poison themselves and thus give bacteria and/or parasites a fine place to thrive and multiply(bacteria/parasites thrive in sugar filled/toxic environment). Ultimately though, they are life's little janitors and are here for our benefit. The idea of good and bad bacteria is one that I don't, and most raw omnis, I would say, don't support...rather bacteria that do or do not have the ability to reproduce and thrive in your body as it is now.
I can best explain it with the guns vs people argument, in who/what it is that kills people. Well if you want to get super technical bullets kill people, but nobody goes around blaming bullets for murders. The truth is, if the gun and the person weren't there then the other person would never have been shot. It's the same with bacteria. They are the bullets. The last thing the person touches before they get sick. But had the person not provided them a bacteria/parasite garden of eden to live in, there would have been no problem. Now, I can eat old, smelly, brown, even somewhat rotting meat with no problem, along with mouldy fruits as well.
The benefit to doing it is eating food that is:
1. Not laced with by-products from the chemical change that occurs when food is burned(120 degrees and up)
2. Recognized as the food it is, rather than a mutilated form of the food it was, making it near if not 100% assimilated vs the cooked that is often discarded or even, at times(depending on how cooked it is), engulfed by white blood cells as a foreign invader(I remember that from a source I cited a while back on a paper I wrote).
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you my friend are weird
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Your joking right.
How can you eat meat & dairy and call your self Vegan??
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Your joking right.
How can you eat meat & dairy and call your self Vegan??
He can't. And eating "raw" meat sounds kind of ghoulish.
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He means that he's going to TRY vegan. he's not a vegan yet. Anyway he looks good. As for the raw meat i'm too scared to try it. but I am doing the 10+ raw eggs thing myself now and I'm making my best gains in a long time.
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Wow, with that diet, no doubt you'll be ripped. :-X
And as from raw meat you cannot get poisoned, but you'll have nice 12-20 feet worms slobbering around your guts eating your nutritions away. nothing harmful, just nasty. :-X
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Before I would eat raw meat, I would just switch to rice, beans, peanutbutter, and tofu. I don't even like sushi.
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Wow, with that diet, no doubt you'll be ripped. :-X
And as from raw meat you cannot get poisoned, but you'll have nice 12-20 feet worms slobbering around your guts eating your nutritions away. nothing harmful, just nasty. :-X
Yep:
"What is trichinellosis?
Trichinellosis, also called trichinosis, is caused by eating raw or undercooked meat of animals infected with the larvae of a species of worm called Trichinella. Infection occurs commonly in certain wild carnivorous (meat-eating) animals but may also occur in domestic pigs."
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dpd/parasites/trichinosis/factsht_trichinosis.htm
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Yep! Nothing I have to worry about getting.
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This cat looks great by the pics. But why eat raw meat and risk getting a heartworm? You can die from that.
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I'm not too worried about parasites anymore. At first though , they were my biggest worry. Bacteria never really gave me too much pause, but parasites really made me think. Anyway, just like bacteria, and viruses for that matter, parasites need to have certain living conditions met to live and reproduce in an organism. When you go raw and make a few lifestyle changes, making sure those living conditions are not met is a no brainer and done be default. In fact, I'm not nearly as hardcore as some people out there. Some eat meat that is weeks or even months old, smelling to all hell, and VISIBLY covered in maggots specifically for the additional bacteria because they consider it a part of a healthy organism and then get tested a month or two later for parasites and come up negative.
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I'm not too worried about parasites anymore. At first though , they were my biggest worry. Bacteria never really gave me too much pause, but parasites really made me think. Anyway, just like bacteria, and viruses for that matter, parasites need to have certain living conditions met to live and reproduce in an organism. When you go raw and make a few lifestyle changes, making sure those living conditions are not met is a no brainer and done be default. In fact, I'm not nearly as hardcore as some people out there. Some eat meat that is weeks or even months old, smelling to all hell, and VISIBLY covered in maggots specifically for the additional bacteria because they consider it a part of a healthy organism and then get tested a month or two later for parasites and come up negative.
I can't belive there are people who are this stupid.
Eating raw meat nowadays is like russian roulette. it's not like 200 or more years ago when there where literally no environmental poisons and animals were eating healthy natural foods themselves.
these creatures are cannibals nowadays, they are fed the remains of slaughtered other animals, who might have benn diseased themselves or poisoned with lead, dioxin, whatever, the list is endless.
Eating raw meat is just plain stupid, and it is also not true that the body adjusts to parasites.
if you catch a worm that lives of human muscles (i don't know the name in english, sorry), your live is over. these things lay their eggs into muscle tissue and eat themselves out of the muscle after they hatch.
it causes terrible pain and destroys the muscle forever.
plain stupid.
edit: nothing against the maggots, if you let the meat rot and then eat only the maggots, you're fine.
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none of the food I buy comes from factory farms where those sort of things occur. I often buy from the Amish or environmentally sound farmers. My meat is strictly pesticide and chemical fertalizer free and 98-100% grass fed. I do that for my own good as well as the environmental aspect. But as far as raw vs. cooked goes though, environmental toxins are not somehow done away with in the cooking process, they are still very much there just as they were before the food was cooked. Cooking doesn't make things disappear, it only kills things. Pesticides and chemical fertilizers are not alive to begin with so the cooking process only changes the molecular structure...it doesn't, as I said, kill them or somehow make them disappear. I don't think I recall saying that the body adjusts to parasites. Although, we do have an immune system for a reason as well as hydrochloric acid in our stomachs to take care of such things.
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none of the food I buy comes from factory farms where those sort of things occur. My meat strictly pesticide and chemical fertalizer free and 98-100% grass fed.
how can you know for sure? there is so much poison in the earth or coming along with the wind.
even if you buy your meat at a farm nearby, and even if you know the owner, i wouldn't rely on that.
the risk that something bad happens is just too high. humans are not intended to eat raw meat, even the flintstones bbqued their meat.
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you're right, I can't be 100% positive, but I trust most of the people I buy from. What more can I do? I'm not going to eat it cooked out of fear of some pesticides that would be there no matter what I did to it.
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Thought I'd give the raw vegan route a try. I have been raw omni(animal products included in diet) for about 2 yrs and thought I'd give the vegan way a chance. Still going to stay strict with my no supplement rule and no more than 2 meals daily with maybe one snack a day rule. We'll see how it goes, I'll do it as long as my body says it's cool, if that means forever then that is what I plan on doing; if it means just 2 days, then that will be it. I'd like, though, to keep it up for at least a month to see how both my body and my training change. Here are some pics of me now:
I think that what you are doing now is working very well, ghood physique. why change if you have gotten such good results?
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yes, what I am doing has worked well imo, but you know...the grass is always greener on the other side! I am just experimenting here, and to be totally honest, I am not liking the vegan thing all that much so far. All the fiber is really giving me an upset stomach-something I never have as a raw omni. I am going to try some other things before going off the vegan, but if they don't work, I will go back to what does.
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You know I think your crazy ;D
Oh and he looks even better in person-he is ripped and pretty f-ing big considering he doesn't take any supplements at all and doesn't eat like the rest of us.
Personally the vegan thing sounds better then the omni thing. I'm glad you are starting to share your very interesting story though-these boards need a little spice.
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man this guys got the best structure look how small his waist is excellent genetics lucky bastard he should enter the getbig comp hes one of the most impressive naturals iv seen on here
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...yes the guy does look impressive
Say! here's a wild idea - cook your meat :)
What is the point of going through all the trouble to eat it raw?
Monster Mad Cow Disease!
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He can't. And eating "raw" meat sounds kind of ghoulish.
Artist's rendition of Swedish Viking...
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Beast, thanks for that, that was nice! You and I will have to have a workout sometime...I will even give in and let you plan the whole thing cause I know you don't want to do a full body. Yang and Oliver too, thanks for the compliments, it actually means a lot. No meat cooking for me oliver. I won't say that I have reached the point of no return, but now it takes quite a long time to get used to eating cooked food again without getting sick, and you know there isn't any bother of eating raw...it's less work, ya know!
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Looking good bro.
With two months to go you dont have to change much.
I always say, if it aint broke then dont fix it.
PS I like eating steak extra rare, but leave the maggots on the side please
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Damn Viking you have an impressive physique and are not scared to experiment with nutrition and training regiment. You'd make for a great training partner. I am a curious as what you do for your full body workouts. Do you train like Steve Reeves each bodypart three times a week?
Keep it up you look sick! in a good way ;D
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Get a tan, shave, and stop living like a caveman.
Good job on the physique.
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im curious to know what you do if you have people over for dinner?
what are their reactions?
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I don't, too often, have people over for dinner. Most people have the obvious reaction upon hearing about my diet. I had the same reaction when I was introduced to it, so I am more than willing to be patient and explain the best I can. My living isn't all that complicated, I don't have people over for dinner parties that often and most women are put off by my diet, so it is hard in that respect, but it is worth it for me.
In the case of the vegan experiment...I only lasted a week. I felt awful pretty much the whole time. I am not against doing it again, though I will have to try a different route the next time. It has been my position for quite some time now that whole vegetables are not really meant for human consumption...well at least my consumption; and if they are, they are only to be eaten minimally. This vegan experiment was based on vegetables and now I feel pretty assured that my original position was correct-although, I did alot of food combining with my salads so my results could be skewed. The next experiment will be a high fruit raw vegan diet. For right now though, I am back on mostly raw animal products.
....and as far as shaving my body goes...why would anyone do that if they are not competing-would it be to look more like a girl or to look more like a baby? I have competed before and do so only for shows; otherwise no razor meets my skin unless totally necessary!
...in reference to my workouts...I do HIT style workouts, Strongman Workouts, and then lighter, higher volume workouts. I've found that the perfect balance between all training modalities works best-at least for me. Although, I think that of anyone out there, Arthur Jones has the most effective training philosophy.
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Hey Viking, i read your website!
Nice stuff you put up there.
I totally agree on your workout suggestion. Cycling diffenrent workout styles works good for me too.
Good luck with the Mr Getbig contest!
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I'm a vegan for 8 years now and it's all about balance, you need to eat more tho, I eat 6 full meals a day. it's cleaner food and u digest it quicker so u dont feel over full all the time. The trick is dont just eat veg by them selfs, eat them with a high protien sorcse such as beans tofu, or lets say oatmeal with fruit and peanut butter! also u want to mix high glycimic foods with low glycimic's. If eat just a high glycimic thing like lettus alone u with feel starving and jittery. add some beans soy meat and a uch of veg etc... and u will feel satisfied and strong. I also eat a lot of potatos and oatmeal mixed with different things, and my gains have never been slowed at all.
U dont have to worry about going over board on protien since when u intake large amouts ur body just absorbs less of it, so u just want an even balance.
I never tried going totaly raw I imagine beans and oatmeal would be hard to eat that way tho. Anyways vegan is possable u just have to be smart about what ur doing just like BB if u just rush in and do what ever it might not be effective.
PS. sorry about spelling im in a hurry lol ;)