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A promoter and I are considering having a bench press competition at the upcoming Olympia. This would be a bench for cash meet open to select powerlifters AND professional bodybuilders. As we wish to include bodybuilders there would be no bench shirts allowed.
This would occur at the expo which accompanies the Olympia and would be highly visible.
The contest would most likely be based upon 2-3 weight classes (although this is not set in stone) and would be for a 1 rep maximum with a pause. The possibility of someone like Brian Siders and Ryan Kennelly going head to head with a pro bodybuilder like Lee Priest (these are only examples and we have not spoken to Lee or the others) is what I want your opinion on. Do you like the idea?
Personally, I think it is a very cool idea and would love to see it as a fan.
Chris
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if you have one of those measuring sticks like they do before you get on rollercoasters, you won't have to worry about Lee Priest entering at all.
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sound ok but the problem is that the powerlifters would be ready and well fed and the bb'ers would be depleted from the dieting, it night be a good idea for the IFBB pros who aren't competing though, i'd love to see that, my bet is that none of the bb'ers could bench what they've always claimed.
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Sounds cool. I'd like to see an event where you offered $5k to whichever IFBB guy competing at the O could bench the most, or bench 225 the most reps (safer than a max). I am sure most bottom half guys would enter (as they're not leaving with any cash anyway) and you might have a few top guys trying it too. Even if the numbers are low as the guys will be depleted, seeing branch do 225 17 times to beat a Johnny jackson 16 times would be some cool theater!
Also Chris- very cool to come on here and ask for opinions. Ppl will shoot ya straight here.
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Sounds cool. I'd like to see an event where you offered $5k to whichever IFBB guy competing at the O could bench the most, or bench 225 the most reps (safer than a max). I am sure most bottom half guys would enter (as they're not leaving with any cash anyway) and you might have a few top guys trying it too. Even if the numbers are low as the guys will be depleted, seeing branch do 225 17 times to beat a Johnny jackson 16 times would be some cool theater!
Also Chris- very cool to come on here and ask for opinions. Ppl will shoot ya straight here.
wouldn't a top pro be able to rep with 225 in the 40s or 50s? Some fat lineman did it 43 times on ESPN.
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wouldn't a top pro be able to rep with 225 in the 40s or 50s? Some fat lineman did it 43 times on ESPN.
I dunno... Coleman did it something like 70 times in contest mode. I have no idea what the numbers would be. Put you put 5,000 on the line, and 1) you'll have a more exciting show than the one on the stage, and 2) You'll see Bbers in contest shape doing something remotely functional, and 3) you'll get AT LEAST $5k worth of talk on the boards and magazines...
2006 Olympia "AT LARGE & IN CHARGE" Pro Bodybuilder Bench-Off.
See? We're already talking about your supplement co. 4 months before the show. Who do you think will win the "At Large & In Charge" bench press show? Coleman did 70+ reps at one of these once, but that was before the torn tri. JJ has the most strength probably, but which guy keeps the most stamina come showtime? not Darrem... you see him at the Colo Pro? Sweatin... (add'l examples of discussions for the next 100 days... $5k is a small price to pay)
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I think a raw deadlift meet would be your best bet.
It's the lift which takes the shortest amount of time per lift, and there is not as much judging involved. The crowd will also be able to actually see the lift properly.
No spotters, no judging controversy.
Go for it.
YIP
Zack
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sarcasm is about right
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im sure the bodybuilders would get smoked and an actual threat like ronnie wouldnt even be bothered with it anyway, he's got real money on the line to think about
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I think a raw deadlift meet would be your best bet.
It's the lift which takes the shortest amount of time per lift, and there is not as much judging involved. The crowd will also be able to actually see the lift properly.
No spotters, no judging controversy.
Go for it.
YIP
Zack
That is another serious consideration.
Chris
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This isn't anything set in stone but something we are seriously considering. I would love to do it.
As the thread title states, I want YOUR opinion. Please try to keep posts to topic at hand.
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this idea is prejudiced against guys like Bob Chick, who don't do bench press because it doesn't do anything for your chest.
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i use the ab roller to work chest.
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i use the ab roller to work chest.
hows that worken for ya?
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No bench shirts? Then how are people going to lift? With their own muscles? I'm not even certain this is done anymore...
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How many pros are willing to risk injury maxing in the bench? The only ones who MIGHT do it are those with a powerlifting background.
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The concept is good, but the timing might not be right if you want bodybuilders to compete. Can't see how they would be at their strongest in the middle of a show, unless you get the strongest guys who didn't qualify for the O to compete.
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How many pros are willing to risk injury maxing in the bench? The only ones who MIGHT do it are those with a powerlifting background.
Hmmm, I disagree. Anyone who has ever trained for strength knows that performing a controlled single repetition is no more dangerous than a multiple repetition set if the lifter has trained in such as manner as to prepare for it.
Bodybuilders who claim to be afraid to perform a 1 rep maximum are really just using the injury idea as a scapegoat for being weak.
The injuries that lifters incur while performing a maximal raw single are a result of either poor form or the fact that anabolics can have a detrimental effect on the structure of the tendons thus making they more prone to tears.
As many tears occur during warm-ups as they do during the heavy sets.
I think many bodybuilders would not participate but there are some that would and that would be exciting. I would not expect the Olympia competitors to participate thus my mention of someone like Priest.
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Chris, I'd go with a percentage of bodyweight for the most reps. This would maximise the amount of time each person ( it should be men and woman ) were " on the bench " keeping the crowd at your contest and exposed to your supplement line for a greater period of time. The total number of impressions would be exponentially greater.
I'd also invest in a custom bench ( go to a metal fab shop ) have it covered in a material with your companies logo screened on it. Have two giant screens on each side of the stage perched high. Have a camera, they are so small now their weightless, suspended from the ceiling and shoot the competetor as they take their turn. When Finished, the camera shoots your logo as the MC gives the official count and announces the next contestant, you have two 10 or 15 foot adds which can be seen from everywhere. A local audio/video company could do it for next to nothing. When I was in school I worked in the banquets dept of a large hotel and we did stuff like that all the time.
You gotta get OnlyMe there as the MC.
The Beef
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How many pros are willing to risk injury maxing in the bench? The only ones who MIGHT do it are those with a powerlifting background.
To the 15 guys who will not place in the top 10 - who will not earn a red cent that weekend - the thought of hitting one tough set of 225 for a chance at $5k might be worth it.
IMO, the deadlift, while a very cool exercise, would get less participants than the bench. And less interest. Would be more fun for the crowd to count the reps than to watch them try a 1RM with a loaded bar. Plus, all that tanning oil would make for a slippery grip.
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To the 15 guys who will not place in the top 10 - who will not earn a red cent that weekend - the thought of hitting one tough set of 225 for a chance at $5k might be worth it.
IMO, the deadlift, while a very cool exercise, would get less participants than the bench. And less interest. Would be more fun for the crowd to count the reps than to watch them try a 1RM with a loaded bar. Plus, all that tanning oil would make for a slippery grip.
I am not totally opposed to the bench for reps idea. That said, I would NOT use 225 lbs because I think someone benching it for 30 or more reps is just silly. Perhaps we might have a bench 315 or 405 for reps?
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I am not totally opposed to the bench for reps idea. That said, I would NOT use 225 lbs because I think someone benching it for 30 or more reps is just silly. Perhaps we might have a bench 315 or 405 for reps?
maybe call it the AtLarge 300 - or something like that - so it has that competition feel, almost like a racing name. (300 being the weight).
Oh, and some custom plates in your company's color would look cool too.
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according to 240 this would of course require no training/prep/certificates of insurance or would it be via signed disclaimer, 240?
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according to 240 this would of course require no training/prep/certificates of insurance or would it be via signed disclaimer, 240?
I'll let Legal handle the waivers. I'm just the hypeman.
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Totally cool idea. I presume, of course, that there would be some kind of sportsbook for, um, those who might want to wager a bit.
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Sounds cool. I'd like to see an event where you offered $5k to whichever IFBB guy competing at the O could bench the most, or bench 225 the most reps (safer than a max). I am sure most bottom half guys would enter (as they're not leaving with any cash anyway) and you might have a few top guys trying it too. Even if the numbers are low as the guys will be depleted, seeing branch do 225 17 times to beat a Johnny jackson 16 times would be some cool theater!
Also Chris- very cool to come on here and ask for opinions. Ppl will shoot ya straight here.
This is exactly why I end up always replying to your posts 240. I'll be reading along, dum dum da dum dum up pops a really stupid comment. Figures, it's from 240 again... That you remotely think this is feasible is a testament to how clueless you are. No serious competitor is going to kill himself maxing out on reps with 225/300lbs. The original idea is much better. I shouldn't be surprised after you thought it would be a good idea to have a comedian perform between shows.
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Totally cool idea. I presume, of course, that there would be some kind of sportsbook for, um, those who might want to wager a bit.
on what, who passes out and is rushed to the hospital first?
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This is exactly why I end up always replying to your posts 240. I'll be reading along, dum dum da dum dum up pops a really stupid comment. Figures, it's from 240 again... That you remotely think this is feasible is a testament to how clueless you are. No serious competitor is going to kill himself maxing out on reps with 225/300lbs. The original idea is much better. I shouldn't be surprised after you thought it would be a good idea to have a comedian perform between shows.
Carrottop?
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Its a gret idea Chris, and much more exciting than watching Ronnie 'raise the roof' for the ninth time. It would be fantastic publicity for the winner - and your company. How cool would it be if a total unknown bodybuilder turned up and won; he would become an immediate sensation [at least on the boards].
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No serious competitor is going to kill himself maxing out on reps with 225/300lbs.
1) No pro Bber is going to 'kill himself' with one set, on friday night, before the Sat show. And there are about 15 guys who will be making zero dollars at the O in prize monies. A shot at 5k would be quite interesting to them. If guy #1 goes and does 10 reps, hell, they might give it a shot. If guy#2 does 30 reps, it might not be worth the risk. but 5K is a LOT of money for 90 seconds of your time. And IIRC, Ronnie did it 70+ reps once, and he had a show the next day. Anyone remember that?
2) I still do think a B-level comedian would make it a more interesting show.
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Oh, are you taking about actual O competitors competing in this the day before the O?? If so LMFAO. The competitors hate to even attend a banquet the night before. How many times have we seen Lee Priest et al. bitch about that, how they are sooo tired the night before. Benching the night before? Just forget it.
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If this gets put together AtLarge will not be the only sponsor. We are talking over $10,000 in possible prize money plus having a large are in the expo itself to run it.
If it goes it WILL be very cool. Speaking with the promoter the idea has morphed to having 3 weight classes with 4 lifters in each class. These will most likely be strength athletes.
After that competition I am thinking we could have a 405 for reps contest with bodybuilders competing as well? What about something like that?
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My opinion:
Stop wasting your $ on st00pid stuff like this, and use the savings to lower the price of Nitrean.
Hope this helps.
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If this gets put together AtLarge will not be the only sponsor. We are talking over $10,000 in possible prize money plus having a large are in the expo itself to run it.
If it goes it WILL be very cool. Speaking with the promoter the idea has morphed to having 3 weight classes with 4 lifters in each class. These will most likely be strength athletes.
After that competition I am thinking we could have a 405 for reps contest with bodybuilders competing as well? What about something like that?
Can we assume Brown's Honda will be a sponsor as well?
The Beef
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A promoter and I are considering having a bench press competition at the upcoming Olympia. This would be a bench for cash meet open to select powerlifters AND professional bodybuilders. As we wish to include bodybuilders there would be no bench shirts allowed.
This would occur at the expo which accompanies the Olympia and would be highly visible.
The contest would most likely be based upon 2-3 weight classes (although this is not set in stone) and would be for a 1 rep maximum with a pause. The possibility of someone like Brian Siders and Ryan Kennelly going head to head with a pro bodybuilder like Lee Priest (these are only examples and we have not spoken to Lee or the others) is what I want your opinion on. Do you like the idea?
Personally, I think it is a very cool idea and would love to see it as a fan.
Chris
Isn't there some kind of formula to calculate absolute strength taking into account your bodyweight? I forget what its called. Would this kind of handicapping system be used?
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This imo would be interesting if it was IFBB pros off season that are not competing in the Mr O.Interesting to see how strong they actually are compared to their PL'ing counterparts.On another note might be interesting to have 1 just for the Mr O competitors themselves once again to see if their strength claims while prepping for the O are what they say in the mags.
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Oh, are you taking about actual O competitors competing in this the day before the O?? If so LMFAO.
Exactly... What an absolutely clueless butthead. I hear 240 spew stuff like this and it just amazes me that anyone would ever take him serious. ::)
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Questionably worth your time and money Chris, is it really going to produce a return on your investment?
As we've pretty much established that there is a lot of lying going on some may be turned off at the idea of actually coming through with the goods/putting their ego on the line.
Not to mention the fact that the pros that are likely to be competetive in this event would probably be ones with a lesser fanbase.
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I think they might haev 100 ppl watching in person, but 5000 at home on the various boards, waiting for the results. And if the viewer has to visit the atlarge site and stare at protein special ads to see pics/videos (well until Matt C lifts it!) it could be a good return.
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Only "problem" with having Brian Siders in the competition, is that he'll win no matter what. 8)
Four weight classes though, I suppose they will be 90kg, 110 kg, 125kg, and 125kg+?
I think you could get away with three weight classes: 100kg, 125kg and 125kg+.
Repetitions with four plates (405 lbs) would probably be where BB's are able to perform the best.
With a repetition contest, it will be easier for the crowd to understand what is going on - not too much judging involved.
The contest would also be finished in a shorter period of time, making it more attractive and competitive in a full schedule like the O weekend.
YIP
Zack
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Do a 1.5 times your bodyweight for reps. The reps won't be to high so time shouldn't be a problem. This way it will make it a more even playing field for everyone. Pause each rep. Full extension. You weigh 250, you'll bench 375 for reps. You weigh 180, you'll bench 270 for reps. It will make it more far for the little guy. or
So a total weight lifted. It is up to the competitor how much weight to put on the bar. All weights have to be submitted prior to the competition. Each competitor will bench whatever weight he choses and the total weight times number of full reps will be his total. So if a guy benches 225 for 40 reps his total is 9000. But if a guy benches 315 for 30 that is 9450. SO he would win. You can have a set "starting weight" so no one can pick a lesser weight and just sit there and do a ton of reps. I mean maybe start it at 255 is the lowest weight you can do. So guys have the stamina and some don't.
Just another idea from your "friendly neighborhood spiderman"
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Onlyme, did you see the thread on Dave Henry's claims to do tricep extentions with 130lb bells. CAn you comment on my question to you.
The Beef.
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A promoter and I are considering having a bench press competition at the upcoming Olympia. This would be a bench for cash meet open to select powerlifters AND professional bodybuilders. As we wish to include bodybuilders there would be no bench shirts allowed.
This would occur at the expo which accompanies the Olympia and would be highly visible.
The contest would most likely be based upon 2-3 weight classes (although this is not set in stone) and would be for a 1 rep maximum with a pause. The possibility of someone like Brian Siders and Ryan Kennelly going head to head with a pro bodybuilder like Lee Priest (these are only examples and we have not spoken to Lee or the others) is what I want your opinion on. Do you like the idea?
Personally, I think it is a very cool idea and would love to see it as a fan.
Chris
I can bet the Rhino will be there......
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Only "problem" with having Brian Siders in the competition, is that he'll win no matter what. 8)
Four weight classes though, I suppose they will be 90kg, 110 kg, 125kg, and 125kg+?
I think you could get away with three weight classes: 100kg, 125kg and 125kg+.
Repetitions with four plates (405 lbs) would probably be where BB's are able to perform the best.
With a repetition contest, it will be easier for the crowd to understand what is going on - not too much judging involved.
The contest would also be finished in a shorter period of time, making it more attractive and competitive in a full schedule like the O weekend.
YIP
Zack
reps with four plates? i'll gaurantee you with the exception of Coleman, Cutler and maybe Branch Warren most of those dudes would get a single or two, you have to remember that the majority do Smith machine bullshit.
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I can bet the Rhino will be there......
Uh oh, Jack is referring to himself in the third person... ;D
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reps with four plates? i'll gaurantee you with the exception of Coleman, Cutler and maybe Branch Warren most of those dudes would get a single or two, you have to remember that the majority do Smith machine bullshit.
Thanks for bringing me back to reality, probably had been reading FLEX too much as of late... :-[
Three plates then?
Sidenote for Chris Mason: I'd love to see Big James Henderson compete again. This kind of competition is something where he perhaps would show interest.
YIP
Zack
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Thanks for bringing me back to reality, probably had been reading FLEX too much as of late... :-[
Three plates then?
Sidenote for Chris Mason: I'd love to see Big James Henderson compete again. This kind of competition is something where he perhaps would show interest.
YIP
Zack
James was a giant, tremendously strong, in a dream i'd like to see him, Kazmaier, Jim Williams and one of todays guys like Mendelson compete against each other.