Getbig Bodybuilding, Figure and Fitness Forums
Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Ex Coelis on June 20, 2006, 08:43:22 PM
-
I just finished listening to the replay of this weeks PBBW and I have to say I was taken aback by some of the disparaging comments made about Ronnie Coleman and the Olympia, particularly those by MD's Seniour Editor. With all due respect to John Romano, especially considering that he's an industry name and I'm an internet nobody, his take on Ronnie Coleman and the Olympia were shocking.
Ronnie Coleman losing the Olympia would be the best thing for bodybuilding? Force him to compete more than once a year? The Olympia will be boring? Not to mention Chick's comment that everyone is bored to tears watching it???? EXCUSE ME????
These have to be some of the most upsetting and ass-backwards things I've heard in my life!
First off, Ronnie Coleman is the greatest bodybuilder this sport has ever known. It is a treat and a thrill to see him compete at the Olympia every year and win. He does so becuase he's head and shoulders above everyone else. We have never seen his combination of size, conditioning, and muscularity, and it's likely we never will again after he retires. That said, him losing wouldn't be the best thing to happen to bodybuilding. Since Coleman is obviously the best bodybuilder in the world, him losing would amount to a bullshit decision based on politics and not physiques. Sadly, I always thought MD was agaisnt BS.
Secondly, forcing the top 5 or 6 at the Olympia to requalify would be another mistake. Everyone talks about how its difficult to peak for multiple shows a year. If this is true, how would it make sense to have the best in the world showing up at less than their best? This would just downgrade the quality and prestige of the Mr. Olympia contest. It's far better to have the top 5 or 6 save themselves for the big dance where it really matters.
Having the reigning Mr. Olympia compete more than once would be even worse. Can you imagine if Dorian Yates had entered the spring shows? It would have ruined his mystique and killed any chance of him showing up at his best come Olympia time. The last time a Mr. O competed beforehand was in 2001 and the result was the champ showed up at less than 100%. Noone goes to the Olympia to see the athletes at 90%, they pay good money to see the world's best at their best.
Lastly, this brings us to the Olympia. How can you say it will be boring? Simply because the reigning champ deserves to win again? How can you say that the biggest show in bodybuilding will be boring?? You get to watch larger than life athletes battling it out on stage for the biggest title in the sport. Hell, you get to witness bb history in the making!!
And Bob. Oh, Bob. I can't believe you said watching a bodybuilding show bores you to tears. I can understand nodding off during the 20 rounds of figure they show beforehand, or even some of the other inane events that you're forced to watch before the pros come on stage. But the Olympia? Any true fan of bodybuilding would be thrilled to see the Olympia in person. I have nothing but absolute respect and admiration for you Bob, but I just don't understand how you can be bored at the O when the real fans you've mention would have the time of their life . . .
When Ronnie retires, you'll all realize just how great he is. It's a shame people can't just appreciate him now and enjoy the show. There will be a huge void when he retires. Long live King Coleman!
(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/kingcoleman2.jpg)
PS. I LOVE MD AND NEVER MISS AN ISSUE
-
Wow...you should write a letter to Ben Weider. But first lay off the ephedrine tabs before coming on the forum...if you intend to write that much, publish a book.
0 and by the way, yah Ronnie is great (NO DOUBT), but he won't be the best forever...hope you can take the reality of it, and not let it affect you like when you found out Santa wasn't real...lol
All hail King JAY!
-
I agree with you on all points, and I will add the following:
Bob is a man who isn't satisfied with winning a legit pro show. No, the way he feels better about himself and why he's on this planet is when he's making dispariging comments about those who are above him. He correctly mentions that bodybuilding shows are boring. But what he fails to mention is the ones that are boring are the ones that he hosts. He contributes nothing but high-school wit combined with sarcastic rhetoric. He's not commentating on what he's seeing, rather, he's talking stream of conciousness. This is a man who is wearing a Gorilla Suit over an otherwise very shallow character.
As for Ron Harris it has been mentioned here before that he's nothing but a wanna-has-been. That is, he was an up and coming contender at one point, but gave it up. He now gets to write all types of articles in MD from the first person perspective, and man, they are horrendous. His generalizations about everything in regards to bodybuilding is only made interesting by his interjection of personal experience in EVERY SINGLE ARTICLE. "When I saw Ronnie..." "when Me and Lee..." "I remember when Dorian first..." blah blah on and on and on ad nauseum ad inifinitum.
Having said that, MD is slowly evolving into a magazine that I wont treasured for it's focus primarily on research into one that is very Flex Like. This PAGE 69 CRAP with idiotic subtexts and pictures that bring nothing to the context of the magazine in the FRONT OF THE MAGAZINE annoy me. Why not put that crap in the back so that I wont have to deal with it? Isn't the reason why you stopped the centerfolds was to bring the focus back to HARDCORE NO BULLSHIT BODYBIULDING which you purport to subscribe to?? What happened guys?!
Granted, the research is still there, but it's preceded by commentary from John Romano, which, is very entertaining, but is overshadowed by Page 69. I'd rather see Romano first, then the research, then the features, then the bodybuilders, THEN the girls and pictures.
The magazine has taken a strange turn for the worst this past year, and I'm not sure what happened.
Maybe Chick is a bad influence? Who knows.
But yes, I agree with all of your points and then some.
Ronnie Coleman is the king, and the longer he reigns, the more he'll receive threats to be overthrown.
But we all know - IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN.
Long Live Ron.
(note to Jay Cutler - you're the one that should retire. Then come back when Ron is gone and claim the scab throne)
-
Wow...you should write a letter to Ben Weider. But first lay off the ephedrine tabs before coming on the forum...if you intend to write that much, publish a book.
0 and by the way, yah Ronnie is great (NO DOUBT), but he won't be the best forever...hope you can take the reality of it, and not let it affect you like when you found out Santa wasn't real...lol
All hail King JAY!
Jay is great, but Dex is better ;)
(http://www.1st-muscle-guide.com/dexter-jackson-AC2005.jpg)
-
i can see ur point...dex is a cool guy...
it can go to either one next..maybe gustavo too if he stops being a pregnant ass-clown
[i
-
Wow...you should write a letter to Ben Weider. But first lay off the ephedrine tabs before coming on the forum...if you intend to write that much, publish a book.
0 and by the way, yah Ronnie is great (NO DOUBT), but he won't be the best forever...hope you can take the reality of it, and not let it affect you like when you found out Santa wasn't real...lol
All hail King JAY!
Sounds like someone hit a nerve. ::)
-
When was Ron Harris on the show?
-
Jay is great, but Dex is better ;)
(http://www.1st-muscle-guide.com/dexter-jackson-AC2005.jpg)
Dex has a cool body but a stupid grinning face..
-
When was Ron Harris on the show?
My bad, I meant John Romano.
Sorry, Ron Harris - we're still cool ;)
-
Sorry, Ron Harris - we're still cool ;)
you better run from harris if you see him on the street. he's gangsta.
-
I just finished listening to the replay of this weeks PBBW and I have to say I was taken aback by some of the disparaging comments made about Ronnie Coleman and the Olympia, particularly those by MD's Seniour Editor. With all due respect to John Romano, especially considering that he's an industry name and I'm an internet nobody, his take on Ronnie Coleman and the Olympia were shocking.
Ronnie Coleman losing the Olympia would be the best thing for bodybuilding? Force him to compete more than once a year? The Olympia will be boring? Not to mention Chick's comment that everyone is bored to tears watching it???? EXCUSE ME????
These have to be some of the most upsetting and ass-backwards things I've heard in my life!
First off, Ronnie Coleman is the greatest bodybuilder this sport has ever known. It is a treat and a thrill to see him compete at the Olympia every year and win. He does so becuase he's head and shoulders above everyone else. We have never seen his combination of size, conditioning, and muscularity, and it's likely we never will again after he retires. That said, him losing wouldn't be the best thing to happen to bodybuilding. Since Coleman is obviously the best bodybuilder in the world, him losing would amount to a bullshit decision based on politics and not physiques. Sadly, I always thought MD was agaisnt BS.
Secondly, forcing the top 5 or 6 at the Olympia to requalify would be another mistake. Everyone talks about how its difficult to peak for multiple shows a year. If this is true, how would it make sense to have the best in the world showing up at less than their best? This would just downgrade the quality and prestige of the Mr. Olympia contest. It's far better to have the top 5 or 6 save themselves for the big dance where it really matters.
Having the reigning Mr. Olympia compete more than once would be even worse. Can you imagine if Dorian Yates had entered the spring shows? It would have ruined his mystique and killed any chance of him showing up at his best come Olympia time. The last time a Mr. O competed beforehand was in 2001 and the result was the champ showed up at less than 100%. Noone goes to the Olympia to see the athletes at 90%, they pay good money to see the world's best at their best.
Lastly, this brings us to the Olympia. How can you say it will be boring? Simply because the reigning champ deserves to win again? How can you say that the biggest show in bodybuilding will be boring?? You get to watch larger than life athletes battling it out on stage for the biggest title in the sport. Hell, you get to witness bb history in the making!!
And Bob. Oh, Bob. I can't believe you said watching a bodybuilding show bores you to tears. I can understand nodding off during the 20 rounds of figure they show beforehand, or even some of the other inane events that you're forced to watch before the pros come on stage. But the Olympia? Any true fan of bodybuilding would be thrilled to see the Olympia in person. I have nothing but absolute respect and admiration for you Bob, but I just don't understand how you can be bored at the O when the real fans you've mention would have the time of their life . . .
When Ronnie retires, you'll all realize just how great he is. It's a shame people can't just appreciate him now and enjoy the show. There will be a huge void when he retires. Long live King Coleman!
(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/kingcoleman2.jpg)
PS. I LOVE MD AND NEVER MISS AN ISSUE
Yeah....the "true fans" of bodybuilding= the "hardcore fans"...that amounts to the same 5,000 people that show up every year...no more, no less. Thats not progress in my book. We need to make these competitions into shows, which would appeal to more fans within the bodybuilding/ fitness world.
I've got an article on this coming out in the next issue of FLEX mag...it explains this very subject in detail...check it out.
As for making guys re-qualify...other than the reigning Olympia champion (Ronnie or otherwise), I see no real reason why there is a pass given to athletes simply for the fact that they placed well.
making them re-Q would bring bigger talent to other shows as well, not just the "O"...It may also keep the guys in better conditioning throughout the year for guest posings, appearances, etc.
What other sport is this done? None that I can think of....it's not good for the sport as a whole, doesn't promote the athletes, doesn't give the other shows a chance to have the best in the world compete, and does nothing but stagnate the growth even more.
Time to make some changes...
-
This thread is a cry of the realization that if the IFBB did require athletes to compete in more shows Mr. Coleman would no longer be Mr. Olympia. Your aesthetic types would slice through the competitions!
-
Yeah....the "true fans" of bodybuilding= the "hardcore fans"...that amounts to the same 5,000 people that show up every year...no more, no less. Thats not progress in my book. We need to make these competitions into shows, which would appeal to more fans within the bodybuilding/ fitness world.
I've got an article on this coming out in the next issue of FLEX mag...it explains this very subject in detail...check it out.
As for making guys re-qualify...other than the reigning Olympia champion (Ronnie or otherwise), I see no real reason why there is a pass given to athletes simply for the fact that they placed well.
making them re-Q would bring bigger talent to other shows as well, not just the "O"...It may also keep the guys in better conditioning throughout the year for guest posings, appearances, etc.
What other sport is this done? None that I can think of....it's not good for the sport as a whole, doesn't promote the athletes, doesn't give the other shows a chance to have the best in the world compete, and does nothing but stagnate the growth even more.
Time to make some changes...
Actually Bob, you make some excellent points and I can see where you're coming from - thanks for replying to my post.
I still think most people will only appreciate how great Ronnie is now when he's gone though :-\
-
I think if more athletes threatened to kick fans' asses, we could really build some mainstream support for the sport.
-
As for making guys re-qualify...other than the reigning Olympia champion (Ronnie or otherwise), I see no real reason why there is a pass given to athletes simply for the fact that they placed well.
making them re-Q would bring bigger talent to other shows as well, not just the "O"...It may also keep the guys in better conditioning throughout the year for guest posings, appearances, etc.
What other sport is this done? None that I can think of....it's not good for the sport as a whole, doesn't promote the athletes, doesn't give the other shows a chance to have the best in the world compete, and does nothing but stagnate the growth even more.
Time to make some changes...
For once I think Bobby is on to something. I firmly agree that this bullshit about the top 5-6 guys getting a free pass back is kinda gay. With the exception of Ronnie, make those guys work. Only the champion deserves a free pass back, the rest of the competitors need to earn that top contender spot.
-
I think if more athletes threatened to kick fans' asses, we could really build some mainstream support for the sport.
I agree.
-
I think if more athletes threatened to kick fans' asses, we could really build some mainstream support for the sport.
We're almost there!!!
-
For once I think Bobby is on to something. I firmly agree that this bullshit about the top 5-6 guys getting a free pass back is kinda gay. With the exception of Ronnie, make those guys work. Only the champion deserves a free pass back, the rest of the competitors need to earn that top contender spot.
It all comes down to money. If the guys could at least be guaranteed they would break even on the cost of doing a show they would probably do more than one a year. As it stands now doing a show is a losing proposition for the majority of competitors. Bodybuilding is fvcked up, the talent is absolutely shit on.
-
Dex has a cool body but a stupid grinning face..
he has a "cool" body? ???
-
Yeah....the "true fans" of bodybuilding= the "hardcore fans"...that amounts to the same 5,000 people that show up every year...no more, no less. Thats not progress in my book. We need to make these competitions into shows, which would appeal to more fans within the bodybuilding/ fitness world.
I've got an article on this coming out in the next issue of FLEX mag...it explains this very subject in detail...check it out.
As for making guys re-qualify...other than the reigning Olympia champion (Ronnie or otherwise), I see no real reason why there is a pass given to athletes simply for the fact that they placed well.
making them re-Q would bring bigger talent to other shows as well, not just the "O"...It may also keep the guys in better conditioning throughout the year for guest posings, appearances, etc.
What other sport is this done? None that I can think of....it's not good for the sport as a whole, doesn't promote the athletes, doesn't give the other shows a chance to have the best in the world compete, and does nothing but stagnate the growth even more.
Time to make some changes...
I can't beleive Bob actually posted something that makes sense. Way to go Bob, see what happens when you stop internet fighting with 240, and actually think before you post. Now if you could only work on not being such an As*hole
-
Guys shouldn't have to requalify if they are getting paid next to nothing to compete.
-
Yeah....the "true fans" of bodybuilding= the "hardcore fans"...that amounts to the same 5,000 people that show up every year...no more, no less. Thats not progress in my book. We need to make these competitions into shows, which would appeal to more fans within the bodybuilding/ fitness world.
I've got an article on this coming out in the next issue of FLEX mag...it explains this very subject in detail...check it out.
As for making guys re-qualify...other than the reigning Olympia champion (Ronnie or otherwise), I see no real reason why there is a pass given to athletes simply for the fact that they placed well.
making them re-Q would bring bigger talent to other shows as well, not just the "O"...It may also keep the guys in better conditioning throughout the year for guest posings, appearances, etc.
What other sport is this done? None that I can think of....it's not good for the sport as a whole, doesn't promote the athletes, doesn't give the other shows a chance to have the best in the world compete, and does nothing but stagnate the growth even more.
Time to make some changes...
hell yeah chicks right if you win the super bowl your not invited to play in the superbowl again you have to earn your way back :)
-
Jay is great, but Dex is better ;)
(http://www.1st-muscle-guide.com/dexter-jackson-AC2005.jpg)
Both Cutler and Jackson raping Ronnie's anus at the O. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
-
John Ramano speaks his mind! You can ask him anything! I plan to very, very soon!
-
I think if more athletes threatened to kick fans' asses, we could really build some mainstream support for the sport.
hilarious ;D
-
With the exception of Ronnie, make those guys work. Only the champion deserves a free pass back, the rest of the competitors need to earn that top contender spot.
yikes, that would give the champion an unfair advantage in only having to peak once a year. that would be terrible for anyone but the champ and lend to an even worse olympia. not that it matters cause the champ never loses anyway.
-
For once I think Bobby is on to something. I firmly agree that this bullshit about the top 5-6 guys getting a free pass back is kinda gay. With the exception of Ronnie, make those guys work. Only the champion deserves a free pass back, the rest of the competitors need to earn that top contender spot.
We've already had a rule change, regarding the Olympia, a few years ago. Now, only the top 6 qualify for the next year's show. Before then, making the top 10 at the O qualified you for next year's extravaganza. To me, making top 5 is the equivalent of winning one of the Grand Prix shows. I certainly don't think it's a free pass. If you place that high, you've EARNED the right to be in the show the following year.
This thread is a cry of the realization that if the IFBB did require athletes to compete in more shows Mr. Coleman would no longer be Mr. Olympia. Your aesthetic types would slice through the competitions!
Ummmm.....the last time I checked, Coleman has entered shows besides the Olympia and STILL held on to his title. He has several Grand Prix wins under his belt. Plus, the year he won the Olympia (1998), he entered several pros shows, including the Toronto Pro show, the San Francisco Pro Invitational, and the Night of Champions.
-
I just finished listening to the replay of this weeks PBBW and I have to say I was taken aback by some of the disparaging comments made about Ronnie Coleman and the Olympia, particularly those by MD's Seniour Editor. With all due respect to John Romano, especially considering that he's an industry name and I'm an internet nobody, his take on Ronnie Coleman and the Olympia were shocking.
Ronnie Coleman losing the Olympia would be the best thing for bodybuilding? Force him to compete more than once a year? The Olympia will be boring? Not to mention Chick's comment that everyone is bored to tears watching it???? EXCUSE ME????
These have to be some of the most upsetting and ass-backwards things I've heard in my life!
First off, Ronnie Coleman is the greatest bodybuilder this sport has ever known. It is a treat and a thrill to see him compete at the Olympia every year and win. He does so becuase he's head and shoulders above everyone else. We have never seen his combination of size, conditioning, and muscularity, and it's likely we never will again after he retires. That said, him losing wouldn't be the best thing to happen to bodybuilding. Since Coleman is obviously the best bodybuilder in the world, him losing would amount to a bullshit decision based on politics and not physiques. Sadly, I always thought MD was agaisnt BS.
Secondly, forcing the top 5 or 6 at the Olympia to requalify would be another mistake. Everyone talks about how its difficult to peak for multiple shows a year. If this is true, how would it make sense to have the best in the world showing up at less than their best? This would just downgrade the quality and prestige of the Mr. Olympia contest. It's far better to have the top 5 or 6 save themselves for the big dance where it really matters.
Having the reigning Mr. Olympia compete more than once would be even worse. Can you imagine if Dorian Yates had entered the spring shows? It would have ruined his mystique and killed any chance of him showing up at his best come Olympia time. The last time a Mr. O competed beforehand was in 2001 and the result was the champ showed up at less than 100%. Noone goes to the Olympia to see the athletes at 90%, they pay good money to see the world's best at their best.
Lastly, this brings us to the Olympia. How can you say it will be boring? Simply because the reigning champ deserves to win again? How can you say that the biggest show in bodybuilding will be boring?? You get to watch larger than life athletes battling it out on stage for the biggest title in the sport. Hell, you get to witness bb history in the making!!
And Bob. Oh, Bob. I can't believe you said watching a bodybuilding show bores you to tears. I can understand nodding off during the 20 rounds of figure they show beforehand, or even some of the other inane events that you're forced to watch before the pros come on stage. But the Olympia? Any true fan of bodybuilding would be thrilled to see the Olympia in person. I have nothing but absolute respect and admiration for you Bob, but I just don't understand how you can be bored at the O when the real fans you've mention would have the time of their life . . .
When Ronnie retires, you'll all realize just how great he is. It's a shame people can't just appreciate him now and enjoy the show. There will be a huge void when he retires. Long live King Coleman!
(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/kingcoleman2.jpg)
PS. I LOVE MD AND NEVER MISS AN ISSUE
Ronnie hasn't deserved a win at the Olympia since 1998.
So lay off the crack.
...Mr Mystique ::)
YIP
Zack
-
john is right. and he's also right on the venue location. nothing wrong with the truf. and i liked Ronnie's robe and crown but he should have selected turquoise instead of red.
and an automatic qualification for the following years Olympia rings like a racket.
-
Ronnie hasn't deserved a win at the Olympia since 1998.
So lay off the crack.
Oh dear or dear.
How hasnt he "deserved" any of them. He's busted his ass dieting and training as much and more than most so how hasnt he deserved his wins. A couple of his victories are suspect (2001, 2002) but he's still leagues above anyone else.
Get over it
...Mr Mystique ::)
YIP
Zack
-
Bah Romano has a point, the olympia is mostly boring. All shows are boring though. They move slowly because they use people who are not "showmen" to drive the occasion (and they are not well choreographed).
Its always going to feel like amateurs night when you have guys with less than outgoing personalities standing up there trying to entertain a crowd.
-
I think Chic had a good point in saying that you cannot beat Ronnie at the mass game
I:E - Cutler.....somone has to come in with a different type of physique but when all is said and done the current Mr Olympia always wins (at least the last 3 Olympia's) and a smaller guy never wins.
-
We've already had a rule change, regarding the Olympia, a few years ago. Now, only the top 6 qualify for the next year's show. Before then, making the top 10 at the O qualified you for next year's extravaganza. To me, making top 5 is the equivalent of winning one of the Grand Prix shows. I certainly don't think it's a free pass. If you place that high, you've EARNED the right to be in the show the following year.
I don't think they've earned the right to have a free pass back. That "earned right" is completely subjective. These guys should have to work their asses off year round and go into pro qualifiers and show that their asses have not fallen off. Plain and simple. Ronnie is the crowned champ, like in any other sport, it's HIS title that you are after, so they have to have him come back by default.
-
I don't think they've earned the right to have a free pass back. That "earned right" is completely subjective. These guys should have to work their asses off year round and go into pro qualifiers and show that their asses have not fallen off. Plain and simple. Ronnie is the crowned champ, like in any other sport, it's HIS title that you are after, so they have to have him come back by default.
Your a idiot and complete assclown. Your saying that top 5-6 in the O doesn't earn you a spot next year but getting in the top 3-5 in other shows throughout the year does.............. Where the fuck is the logic there ???
-
Personally I think the reigning Mr Olympia should do at least one show a year as well as the "O"
As for the #2 spot and on I think these people need to requalify every year as well.
I mean heck, Hurricanes and Heat do not get a free pass to the chamionships next year..they need to start at ground zero once again and earn the shot at the championship.
-
Having the show at the Orleans is a bait-and-switch. You're supposed to think "Wow, Las Vegas!" - while picturing all the glamorous places along the Strip. Then you get to this tacky off-Strip joint that might as well be one of the just-over-the-state-line dumps in Mesquite.
And to those who have argued that the Orleans is more in line with the sport's financial realities, I would say that a Holiday Inn in Delaware is even more so. And at least holding it there wouldn't be trying to fool anyone.
-
Personally I think the reigning Mr Olympia should do at least one show a year as well as the "O"
As for the #2 spot and on I think these people need to requalify every year as well.
I mean heck, Hurricanes and Heat do not get a free pass to the chamionships next year..they need to start at ground zero once again and earn the shot at the championship.
Implement it once Ronnie retires - I don't want to see him get screwed over.
Once his reign is complete then its time to make some serious changes
-
Personally I think the reigning Mr Olympia should do at least one show a year as well as the "O"
As for the #2 spot and on I think these people need to requalify every year as well.
I mean heck, Hurricanes and Heat do not get a free pass to the chamionships next year..they need to start at ground zero once again and earn the shot at the championship.
Your comparing team sports to an individual competition, yet another retarded remark in this thread.
-
Your a idiot and complete assclown. Your saying that top 5-6 in the O doesn't earn you a spot next year but getting in the top 3-5 in other shows throughout the year does.............. Where the f**k is the logic there ???
Mike,
Where do you come off insulting me by calling me an idiot or an assclown? When did I say getting 3-5 in other shows? I said pro qualifiers, but even that needs twitching to just the top 2 guys.
1MoreRep
P.S. Don't be so rude, your mother was way more gentle last night, she told me I was easily inher top 2..
-
Mike,
Where do you come off insulting me by calling me an idiot or an assclown? When did I say getting 3-5 in other shows? I said pro qualifiers, but even that needs twitching to just the top 2 guys.
1MoreRep
P.S. Don't be so rude, your mother was way more gentle last night, she told me I was easily inher top 2..
LMAO.... ;D ;D ;D
-
Your a idiot and complete assclown. Your saying that top 5-6 in the O doesn't earn you a spot next year but getting in the top 3-5 in other shows throughout the year does.............. Where the f**k is the logic there ???
What I get out of this is that the spring and summer shows will have quality competitors who need a top 3-5 for an 0 placing. Like stated above, what other sport gives the winners of last year a free trip to the playoffs. It would be a good thing for the fans who want to see the best on stage in NY, even if they don't have the time or $$$ to go to Vegas. There's the logic I see. Why should the fans only get to see Dex, Jay or some of the others who only do guest appearances in 3/4 the condition they'd put out for a show. Not only that but the $$$ for the competitors wouldn't hurt either. It's a new season better competitors more prizes and $$$ for the athletes and all bodybuilders should start off even. The returning Mr.0 gets in, but that's it. JMHO
-
Wow,that would be great to make guys compete more often.Lets try and have tons of deaths because of the extreme measures these guys go through to get into shape.Super idea,why not just have the contests in a graveyard,this way you could kill two birds with one stone,watch the guys compete and then when they keel over you could burry them right there.
-
Yeah....the "true fans" of bodybuilding= the "hardcore fans"...that amounts to the same 5,000 people that show up every year...no more, no less. Thats not progress in my book. We need to make these competitions into shows, which would appeal to more fans within the bodybuilding/ fitness world.
I've got an article on this coming out in the next issue of FLEX mag...it explains this very subject in detail...check it out.
As for making guys re-qualify...other than the reigning Olympia champion (Ronnie or otherwise), I see no real reason why there is a pass given to athletes simply for the fact that they placed well.
making them re-Q would bring bigger talent to other shows as well, not just the "O"...It may also keep the guys in better conditioning throughout the year for guest posings, appearances, etc.
What other sport is this done? None that I can think of....it's not good for the sport as a whole, doesn't promote the athletes, doesn't give the other shows a chance to have the best in the world compete, and does nothing but stagnate the growth even more.
Time to make some changes...
I agree...bring it on!
-
Yeah....the "true fans" of bodybuilding= the "hardcore fans"...that amounts to the same 5,000 people that show up every year...no more, no less. Thats not progress in my book. We need to make these competitions into shows, which would appeal to more fans within the bodybuilding/ fitness world.
The Olympia should focus on keeping these 5,000 hardcore fans happy. It costs a lot to go to Vegas and attend the show, so the core group is essential to it's success. They bring their families and friends and encourage others to attend, but only if the show is good. If the Olympia continues to put on shows like last year's embarrassment, even the hardcore fans can lose interest. The formula to success isn't in trying to make the show entertaining (WWE style), it's in making it well-planned, organized, and classy like the top show in BB should be.
-
Having the show at the Orleans is a bait-and-switch. You're supposed to think "Wow, Las Vegas!" - while picturing all the glamorous places along the Strip. Then you get to this tacky off-Strip joint that might as well be one of the just-over-the-state-line dumps in Mesquite.
And to those who have argued that the Orleans is more in line with the sport's financial realities, I would say that a Holiday Inn in Delaware is even more so. And at least holding it there wouldn't be trying to fool anyone.
"...Mesquite"
(http://www.sportscrew.com/vb/images/smilies/icon/mutley.gif)
-
If Ronnie was in the MD stable-John would feel differently likely
-
Wow,that would be great to make guys compete more often.Lets try and have tons of deaths because of the extreme measures these guys go through to get into shape.Super idea,why not just have the contests in a graveyard,this way you could kill two birds with one stone,watch the guys compete and then when they keel over you could burry them right there.
Maby, just maby, if they knew they were going to do more than a show a year they would cut down on all the juice and the more ascetically balanced look would be the norm, not the expection. You know healthier eating, more workouts, living the clean life all year and not just having to push the body to the limits for 12 weeks out of the year. It's their job afterall right? Doing more than 1 show a year and using your brains will make you healthier, not kill you.
-
If Ronnie was in the MD stable-John would feel differently likely
Maybe BSN will start running ads in MD so Ronnie can become a columnist.
-
Maybe BSN will start running ads in MD so Ronnie can become a columnist.
Although both qualities are certainly influential, which sells more mags - celebrity status or good writing? Is the difference significant?
-
Mike,
Where do you come off insulting me by calling me an idiot or an assclown? When did I say getting 3-5 in other shows? I said pro qualifiers, but even that needs twitching to just the top 2 guys.
1MoreRep
P.S. Don't be so rude, your mother was way more gentle last night, she told me I was easily inher top 2..
Pro qualifiers? Those would be Nationals, the USA, and the North American Championships. Why in the world should IFBB pros, especially those who place top 5, have to go back to the amateur ranks to prove themselves?
Personally, I think they should reinstate the rule, that lets the top 10 at the Olympia qualify for next's year's Olympia. And, as they did in the past, they should only bother to place the top 15, giving everybody else "16th" place.
-
Although both qualities are certainly influential, which sells more mags - celebrity status or good writing? Is the difference significant?
I'd guess celebrity status. I see words in Coleman's FLEX columns that I need two dictionaries to look up. So if there's a chance the content will be the same either way, it'd def improve the probablility of a mag beign sold to have king Ron's face on it.
-
Mike,
Where do you come off insulting me by calling me an idiot or an assclown? When did I say getting 3-5 in other shows? I said pro qualifiers, but even that needs twitching to just the top 2 guys.
1MoreRep
P.S. Don't be so rude, your mother was way more gentle last night, she told me I was easily inher top 2..
Hey sorry if you took offense to the profanity and name calling but if i was tryin to be a pure asshole i would have used the angry face >:( or something. See i think you are forgeting that a pro could do any show he wants but because some actually want a chance to win money they choose to do shows in which the big names are not participating, also you have to remember that the top 5-6 guys at the O usually are mostly financially stable and for them it would be pointless to waste time and money competing in shows that don't pay or that they have already dominated in. :)
-
In most other sports you have to re-qualify for a chance at the big dance. Some guys have it written into their contracts that they compete more than once, right? Dorian and Ronnie have both done the shows following the O after winning.
-
Golf is one of the sports that allows exemptions for a number of years-
Bodybuilding does for top qualifiers-seems to work okay, maybe limiting the auto-invites to the top 2 Olympia guys makes more sense... who knows
-
In most other sports you have to re-qualify for a chance at the big dance. Some guys have it written into their contracts that they compete more than once, right? Dorian and Ronnie have both done the shows following the O after winning.
That's because they were both Weider athletes, and their contracts stipulated that they had to do 3/4 shows per year.
-
I know of NO Weider athletes that have a stipulation in their contracts to compete in X amount of contests...
-
I know of NO Weider athletes that have a stipulation in their contracts to compete in X amount of contests...
do you think they should?
Also, do you think that Gunter woudl still have beaten Ronnie at the 2002 Olympia, had they both looked like they did at the SOS that year?
-
I know of NO Weider athletes that have a stipulation in their contracts to compete in X amount of contests...
I agree. The argument otherwise is stupid, because there are pros who compete in tons of shows, whilst some others barely compete at all. Personally, I don't think a reigning Mr.O has anything to gain by competing on ny other shows other than the O. Why? Because he risks being defeted at a minor show, a risk which no Mr.O should allow himself to run. He can make tons of money - by bodybuilding standards - by just being Mr.O and getting endorsement contracts. The money he would get by winning a minor show is pahetic in comparison. And when you consider tht he might actually be ruining his Mr.O "mystique" by losing at a minor show - which can make him lose his endorsement contract -, you understand just how stupid that is. Look a the mistake Ronnie made by competing at the 2002 GNC Show of Strengh and losing to Gunther; look waht it did to his Mr.O rep. Dorian also made this mistake, by competing in several European Grand Prix shows. But at least he won all of them. But still, it was very stipid, nevertheless.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
-
I agree. The argument otherwise is stupid, because there are pros who compete in tons of shows, whilst some others barely compete at all. Personally, I don't think a reigning Mr.O has anything to gain by competing on ny other shows other than the O. Why? Because he risks being defeted at a minor show, a risk which no Mr.O should allow himself to run. He can make tons of money - by bodybuilding standards - by just being Mr.O and getting endorsement contracts. The money he would get by winning a minor show is pahetic in comparison. And when you consider tht he might actually be ruining his Mr.O "mystique" by losing at a minor show - which can make him lose his endorsement contract -, you understand just how stupid that is. Look a the mistake Ronnie made by competing at the 2002 GNC Show of Strengh and losing to Gunther; look waht it did to his Mr.O rep. Dorian also made this mistake, by competing in several European Grand Prix shows. But at least he won all of them. But still, it was very stipid, nevertheless.
Ronnie makes more money by only doing the O.
But how about the promoters? I can betcha if Ronnie was committed to doing the Toronto, it woudln't have been cancelled. Fans wait around the block to see ronnie at a Vitamin World. Imagine if he was doing a BBing show within 100 miles from their home! Sell a lotta tickets.
-
Ronnie makes more money by only doing the O.
But how about the promoters? I can betcha if Ronnie was committed to doing the Toronto, it woudln't have been cancelled. Fans wait around the block to see ronnie at a Vitamin World. Imagine if he was doing a BBing show within 100 miles from their home! Sell a lotta tickets.
Ronnie should compete in women's figure.
-
I know of NO Weider athletes that have a stipulation in their contracts to compete in X amount of contests...
Well--neither Ronnie/Dorian are Weider athletes now..
-
Ronnie makes more money by only doing the O.
But how about the promoters? I can betcha if Ronnie was committed to doing the Toronto, it woudln't have been cancelled. Fans wait around the block to see ronnie at a Vitamin World. Imagine if he was doing a BBing show within 100 miles from their home! Sell a lotta tickets.
Ugh...but Ronnie would be losing on several fronts: firstly, as I've explained, he would be runing the risk of outright defeat; secondly, he would become overstressed and bring less-than-stellar conditioning to all these shows, and finally, you'd be creating a discriminatory rule, namely, that Mr.O should, by virtue of being Mr.O, is forced to compete in several shows. That's insne. You can't force a dude to do something if that rule doesen't apply to everyone. You just can't. Let Ronnie just compete at the O, and...be the best standard-bearer he can. Remember that Mr.O is not "just" a competitor or pro, but the man who epitomizes bodybuilding, distilled to it's essence. Mr.O is the man who showcases bodybuilding to the World. Let's just leve Ronnie alone...and let him carry the world of bodybuilding on his massive shoulders.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
-
Ugh...but Ronnie would be losing on several fronts: firstly, as I've explained, he would be runing the risk of outright defeat; secondly, he would become overstressed and bring less-than-stellar conditioning to all these shows, and finally, you'd be creating a discriminatory rule, namely, that Mr.O should, by virtue of being Mr.O, is forced to compete in several shows. That's insne. You can't force a dude to do something if that rule doesen't apply to everyone. You just can't. Let Ronnie just compete at the O, and...be the best standard-bearer he can. Remember that Mr.O is not "just" a competitor or pro, but the man who epitomizes bodybuilding, distilled to it's essence. Mr.O is the man who showcases bodybuilding to the World. Let's just leve Ronnie alone...and let him carry the world of bodybuilding on his massive shoulders.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
there would be no rules against the mr O.
The rule would be, you have to re-qualify for the O at a show during the year. No discrimination there- Gunter, Jay, Vic, Ronnie, et al would do at least one more show each year besides the O. And guess what---- they're sell more tickets! That can't be argued. Can you tell me how many tickets would have sold to the Colo Pro had Gunter and Cutler been doing the show too? LOL....
-
Let's just leve Ronnie alone...and let him carry the world of bodybuilding on his massive shoulders.
I'm going to pretend you didn't write that.
-
there would be no rules against the mr O.
The rule would be, you have to re-qualify for the O at a show during the year. No discrimination there- Gunter, Jay, Vic, Ronnie, et al would do at least one more show each year besides the O. And guess what---- they're sell more tickets! That can't be argued. Can you tell me how many tickets would have sold to the Colo Pro had Gunter and Cutler been doing the show too? LOL....
No. That would be terrible. Mr.O having to re-qualify, at a minor show, is demeaning to the Mr.O title: it's as if you're saying that winning the O is not enough to qualify to compete at it! Selling more tickets? No, they would sell less! Why? Because why would you pay to see Ronnie defend his title at the O, if you've already seen his ass get beaten at a minor show? What if Ronnie decides to only compete, at shows, where other top pros are missing from? Will you also create a rule forcing them to compete agsinst each other? If only he winner of hese minor shows classify for the O and Ronnie loses, how will you say that he REALLY lost his title? Will Jay REALLY be Mr.O if he wins the title only because Ronnie failed to qualify, on a minor show? You're insane! :-\
SUCKMYMUSCLE
-
I'm going to pretend you didn't write that.
Why? Because I think he looks like shit since 2003? The bottom line is the he's still Mr.O and we should respect that. :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
-
I'm not saying Ronnie shouldn't win if he deserves to but I will go with another Ronnie win not being very exciting.
-
there shold be no automatic entry, period. everything should APPEAR fair.
-
BBers are not basketball or football players, they don't just stay in shape for the season and compete daily or weekly, bbers take months of dieting and year round hardcore training just to compete 100% at a show. To try to force them to do this more then once a year if they don't want to is ridicules, if your a top pro and earn a top shot in the big show then you should be able to take the year off if you choose especially Mr. O.
-
Yeah....the "true fans" of bodybuilding= the "hardcore fans"...that amounts to the same 5,000 people that show up every year...no more, no less. Thats not progress in my book. We need to make these competitions into shows, which would appeal to more fans within the bodybuilding/ fitness world.
I've got an article on this coming out in the next issue of FLEX mag...it explains this very subject in detail...check it out.
As for making guys re-qualify...other than the reigning Olympia champion (Ronnie or otherwise), I see no real reason why there is a pass given to athletes simply for the fact that they placed well.
making them re-Q would bring bigger talent to other shows as well, not just the "O"...It may also keep the guys in better conditioning throughout the year for guest posings, appearances, etc.
What other sport is this done? None that I can think of....it's not good for the sport as a whole, doesn't promote the athletes, doesn't give the other shows a chance to have the best in the world compete, and does nothing but stagnate the growth even more.
Time to make some changes...
I agree. It would be beneficial to have the competitors qualify every year. They'd have to compete at smaller shows, and the fans would benefit from it.
-
Guys shouldn't have to requalify if they are getting paid next to nothing to compete.
Well, then they should have thought of that before becoming pro bbers, huh?
EDIT: No offense, but ANYONE who gets into bbing looking to make money, isn't being realistic.
-
I agree. It would be beneficial to have the competitors qualify every year. They'd have to compete at smaller shows, and the fans would benefit from it.
They do have to qualify every year......all but six of them.
-
I'd go one step further with Olympia qualifications. The defending champion should be automatically qualified. The rest of the field should consist of only the winners of the shows since the previous Olympia. This would trim the field down to 10 or 11 guys max. Basically, the best of the best, as the Olympia was intended. And shows like the Ironman, San Fran, Europa, etc. would have more quality competitors trying to get a win and an Olympia berth.
-
You guys are nuts - Ronnie Coleman made plenty of cash when he competed and placed 2nd at the first GNC Show of Strength.
If other shows had that kind of prize money on the line that close to the Olympia, he might consider entering them, too.
-
Yeah....the "true fans" of bodybuilding= the "hardcore fans"...that amounts to the same 5,000 people that show up every year...no more, no less. Thats not progress in my book. We need to make these competitions into shows, which would appeal to more fans within the bodybuilding/ fitness world.
I've got an article on this coming out in the next issue of FLEX mag...it explains this very subject in detail...check it out.
As for making guys re-qualify...other than the reigning Olympia champion (Ronnie or otherwise), I see no real reason why there is a pass given to athletes simply for the fact that they placed well.
making them re-Q would bring bigger talent to other shows as well, not just the "O"...It may also keep the guys in better conditioning throughout the year for guest posings, appearances, etc.
What other sport is this done? None that I can think of....it's not good for the sport as a whole, doesn't promote the athletes, doesn't give the other shows a chance to have the best in the world compete, and does nothing but stagnate the growth even more.
Time to make some changes...
It's more like 1800 as I understand it. There was not 5,000 seats sold @ an olympia since that guy, um Wayne Demilia ran it. And I suppose, less this year.
-
The Olympia Expo drew at least 5000 out-of-town visitors who paid $10 or $20 each to see the Expo.
It wasn't packed, but it was a fun, relaxing time.
-
If the shows are so boring.Mabe now is the time for Vince McMahon to take another stab at promoting BBing.His shows had props,lighting,ect.I mean who better to bring the freakshow to the masses.Than the P.T Barnum of our age.Right idea.Wrong time.Just a thought.
-
If the shows are so boring.Mabe now is the time for Vince McMahon to take another stab at promoting BBing.His shows had props,lighting,ect.I mean who better to bring the freakshow to the masses.Than the P.T Barnum of our age.Right idea.Wrong time.Just a thought.
Considering that I think the WWE wrasslin is moronic and retarded, I vote NO!
-
Yeah....the "true fans" of bodybuilding= the "hardcore fans"...that amounts to the same 5,000 people that show up every year...no more, no less. Thats not progress in my book. We need to make these competitions into shows, which would appeal to more fans within the bodybuilding/ fitness world.
I've got an article on this coming out in the next issue of FLEX mag...it explains this very subject in detail...check it out.
As for making guys re-qualify...other than the reigning Olympia champion (Ronnie or otherwise), I see no real reason why there is a pass given to athletes simply for the fact that they placed well.
making them re-Q would bring bigger talent to other shows as well, not just the "O"...It may also keep the guys in better conditioning throughout the year for guest posings, appearances, etc.
What other sport is this done? None that I can think of....it's not good for the sport as a whole, doesn't promote the athletes, doesn't give the other shows a chance to have the best in the world compete, and does nothing but stagnate the growth even more.
Time to make some changes...
This is a great post. Alot of these ideas sound like they would do a ton of good for the IFBB.
-
Considering that I think the WWE wrasslin is moronic and retarded, I vote NO!
Well were not talkin' wrasslin'.Were talkin' BBing.He's got the deep pockets,And the vision.
-
Well were not talkin' wrasslin'.Were talkin' BBing.He's got the deep pockets,And the vision.
He had that back in 1990, as well.
-
Having the show at the Orleans is a bait-and-switch. You're supposed to think "Wow, Las Vegas!" - while picturing all the glamorous places along the Strip. Then you get to this tacky off-Strip joint that might as well be one of the just-over-the-state-line dumps in Mesquite.
And to those who have argued that the Orleans is more in line with the sport's financial realities, I would say that a Holiday Inn in Delaware is even more so. And at least holding it there wouldn't be trying to fool anyone.
I've been reading this board for years but have never posted that is up and until now. All I can say about this comment is BINGO!
-
Maybe BSN will start running ads in MD so Ronnie can become a columnist.
it would be great to read something penned by ronnie, but MD's columns are ghost written.
-
it would be great to read something penned by ronnie, but MD's columns are ghost written.
If it would be written like the way he speaks in his videos I think I'd have to pass.
-
I know of NO Weider athletes that have a stipulation in their contracts to compete in X amount of contests...
I guess you don't know Flex wheeler, fired courtesy of his car acccident
or even more recently Richard Jones "the next mr olympia" who has refused to compete since he had his ass handed to him at the olympia, then was eventually fired
try not so hard to defend weider/ifbb, you would sound less foolish
-
They do have to qualify every year......all but six of them.
Think about it, if we have EVERY guy qualify (including Mr. O himself), the fans would get to see the top guys more than just once a year. Besides, imagine Ronnie getting beat at one the smaller shows. It would actually create some buzz/excitement instead of what we have now, which is nothing. We know who's gonna win come October. Again, the fans, the promoters, and the industry would benefit.
-
The Mr. O show would be a lot fairer & more interesting if you could only win the show once. Then the title would get shopped more, & there would be a greater stake in competing. But the purpose of the show is to sale mags, & it's easier to do that with an established product.
-
I guess you don't know Flex wheeler, fired courtesy of his car acccident
or even more recently Richard Jones "the next mr olympia" who has refused to compete since he had his ass handed to him at the olympia, then was eventually fired
try not so hard to defend weider/ifbb, you would sound less foolish
...and you would sound less foolish if you didn't open up your pie-hole about things you have no knowledge of whatsoever.
-
open up your pie-hole
Some people call that a diuretic-hole.
-
Think about it, if we have EVERY guy qualify (including Mr. O himself), the fans would get to see the top guys more than just once a year. Besides, imagine Ronnie getting beat at one the smaller shows. It would actually create some buzz/excitement instead of what we have now, which is nothing. We know who's gonna win come October. Again, the fans, the promoters, and the industry would benefit.
Been there, done that!!
When Coleman did the 2002 Show of Strength (and lost), out came all the conspiracy theories. And at the end of the day (i.e. the 2003 Mr. Olympia), Gunter Schlierkamp couldn't duplicate his SOS feat and hasn't come close to doing so since that time. Schilerkamp couldn't beat Coleman, when it mattered most.
Plus, when Coleman competed at the 2001 Arnold Classic, there were complaints about him doing so and taking a big payday from the other bodybuilders.
Do you honestly think that Coleman needs to qualify for the Mr. Olympia by entering a smaller show? Besides, in the past, he has entered smaller shows; but, those are usually the Grand Prix shows immediately after the Mr. Olympia.
Coleman could lose at smaller shows all the live-long day (Remember that Kevin Levrone beat him at the San Francisco Pro Invitational in 1998, the same year he won his first O title). As long as he wins the Olympia, he's still considered the best in the world.
-
The Mr. O show would be a lot fairer & more interesting if you could only win the show once. Then the title would get shopped more, & there would be a greater stake in competing. But the purpose of the show is to sale mags, & it's easier to do that with an established product.
So, you want the Grimek rule put on the Olympia?
That makes no sense. Only 10 men have held that title. Considering all the awesome bodybuilders that have come down the pike to compete for that title, that's a BIG thing. It makes the Olympia that much more valuable and the achievement of winning it that much sweeter. Why do you think Ronnie collapsed in a big heap, when he won it all in 1998? He couldn't believe it. He'd never even placed in the top five before and placed "16th" in his Olympia debut. Then, he became THE MAN, and he beat the odds-on favorite (Flex Wheeler), along with several other big names (El Sonbaty [the previous year's runner-up], Shawn Ray, Kevin Levrone, etc.) in the process.
-
So, you want the Grimek rule put on the Olympia?
That makes no sense. Only 10 men have held that title. Considering all the awesome bodybuilders that have come down the pike to compete for that title, that's a BIG thing. It makes the Olympia that much more valuable and the achievement of winning it that much sweeter. Why do you think Ronnie collapsed in a big heap, when he won it all in 1998? He couldn't believe it. He'd never even placed in the top five before and placed "16th" in his Olympia debut. Then, he became THE MAN, and he beat the odds-on favorite (Flex Wheeler), along with several other big names (El Sonbaty [the previous year's runner-up], Shawn Ray, Kevin Levrone, etc.) in the process.
And it went straight downhill from there!
At least conspiracy theories, lost placings, and big predictions add some flavor. The only buzz leading up to any Olympia since Ronnie won was the year he was coming back after losing to Gunter. In the last 8 years of watching him compete that was the only time I really looked forward to him competing. I don't think he ever looked better - there is a huge difference between fighting to keep your title and fighting to get it back.
-
...and you would sound less foolish if you didn't open up your pie-hole about things you have no knowledge of whatsoever.
you sound as though my comments have offended you, Chick..
that was not really my intention.
However, if you do indeed have some knowledge that is contrary
to my assertions (and those of Flex & Rich themselves) please share...
otherwise, you are doing what you do best, i.e. defending the Ifbb/weider ad nauseum.
-
And it went straight downhill from there!
At least conspiracy theories, lost placings, and big predictions add some flavor. The only buzz leading up to any Olympia since Ronnie won was the year he was coming back after losing to Gunter. In the last 8 years of watching him compete that was the only time I really looked forward to him competing. I don't think he ever looked better - there is a huge difference between fighting to keep your title and fighting to get it back.
Thank you. At least with what I proposed there would be SOME excitement, and the fans would get to see the top pros more than once a year.
-
...and you would sound less foolish if you didn't open up your pie-hole about things you have no knowledge of whatsoever.
Equally foolish (and craven) is ignoring those relevant posts that have you dead-to-rights on some issue.
/glass houses and all...
-
Having the show at the Orleans is a bait-and-switch. You're supposed to think "Wow, Las Vegas!" - while picturing all the glamorous places along the Strip. Then you get to this tacky off-Strip joint that might as well be one of the just-over-the-state-line dumps in Mesquite.
Wait a damned minute!
They have a good Prime Rib in Mesquite, damn it!
-
WE ARE LUCKY BOB AND SHAWN EVEN BOTHER TO POST HERE!
-
And it went straight downhill from there!
At least conspiracy theories, lost placings, and big predictions add some flavor. The only buzz leading up to any Olympia since Ronnie won was the year he was coming back after losing to Gunter. In the last 8 years of watching him compete that was the only time I really looked forward to him competing. I don't think he ever looked better - there is a huge difference between fighting to keep your title and fighting to get it back.
The fact that Gunter hasn't beaten Coleman since the Show of Strength is a testament to the fact that his win was an abberation.
Besides, when someone tries to add some "flavor", all we hear is blubbering and complaining about it. I refer you to the Challenge Round from the last two Olympias. Dexter Jackson (and others) griped about that for over a year, because Gustavo Badell leap-frogged over him to place 3rd at the 2004 Olympia. And last year, Badell beat Ronnie Coleman in that same Challenge Round (even though it had no bearing on the overall outcome). And, certain folks have been screeching about it ever since then.
You can't claim that the judges don't know what they were doing, as those doing the Challenge Round were all FORMER MR. OLYMPIAS.
Thank you. At least with what I proposed there would be SOME excitement, and the fans would get to see the top pros more than once a year.
Not necessarily.
All that would happen is that the top six would enter an overseas show, immediately after the Mr. Olympia, qualify there, and go into hibernation (if you will) for the next year. Of course, some of them were already doing that, even though a top-ten placing (prior to 2003) automatically qualified them for the next year's Olympia.
Exactly how much "excitement" has been added since the 2003 rule change occured, which reduced the number of qualifying spots at the Olympia itself from 10 to 6?
In any event, Mr. Olympia should not have to qualify to defend his title. And, there certainly shouldn't be any "Grimek rule", for the big O.
-
Equally foolish (and craven) is ignoring those relevant posts that have you dead-to-rights on some issue.
/glass houses and all...
like what? ask all you want...