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how he never was mr o, i dont know.
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how he never was mr o, i dont know.
Add 1 to the list of uncrowned Mr. O's.
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Max_Rep,
Great video. I trained with Bertil Fox in 1981 at World's and it was a awesome experience..
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Bertil looked great in power shots but didn't look so great in the other madatories and when he tried to get shredded he lost a lot of his tradmark size .
Look at this shot from the back in 83 he looks very narrow !!
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how he never was mr o, i dont know.
Lots of politics. A whole generation of BBs left the scene prematurely around that time-Robinson, Mentzer, Padilla and Szkalak to name a few.
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Lots of politics. A whole generation of BBs left the scene prematurely around that time-Robinson, Mentzer, Padilla and Szkalak to name a few.
How about he just wasn't good enough to beat Samir? no it has to be politics ::) compare that shot which is from 83 to this one and its easy to see that he was good but not better than this .
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Beat ya too it, www.darksidebodybuilding .com ;D!
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Beat ya too it, www.darksidebodybuilding .com ;D!
Did you post it HERE? Posting it on a board with 5 members doesn't count as "beating me to it". ;D How about a specific link, thread or location.
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Max_Rep,
Great video. I trained with Bertil Fox in 1981 at World's and it was a awesome experience..
For how long? Tell us some stories pkaz!
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I think Bertil had Samir beat in 1983 on poses which caught the eye which would lead some to believe he won. On further inspection I would give it to Samir, but at the original time of viewing I was more in awe of Bertil's physique.
Samir all the way. Samir was more pleasing and in better condition. Bertil was a freak though. Got to give him that.
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Beat ya too it, www.darksidebodybuilding .com ;D!
Hehe, a waste of Web space if there ever was one...
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Max_Rep,
Great video. I trained with Bertil Fox in 1981 at World's and it was a awesome experience..
pkaz were you there the first day Bertil trained at World's when he warmed up with 500. Kal was running all over gym all excited when Bertil came in. He was like a little kid. Bertil was just huge and ultra strong. You were there when I was there.
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Whats happenned to his "situation"?
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bertil trained with the barbarian bros afew times,bertil was a steamengine
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How about he just wasn't good enough to beat Samir? no it has to be politics ::) compare that shot which is from 83 to this one and its easy to see that he was good but not better than this .
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IMO the 83 Samir ,98 Ronnie, 93 flex, 74 Arnold and the early Sergio are thew best physiques ever. Lookat his back!!!! Simply crazy.
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i like samir.. he has bertil on conditioning
but no waay in history did he desrve to beat bertil...
...yes his back was better...but what else..
everybody seems to judge the competition on who has the best back....
bertil made..samir look small and flat... arms chest shoulders...
no comparision..
also musle insertion and muscle shape.. genetically...bertil miles superior
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bertil all the way
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i like samir.. he has bertil on conditioning
but no waay in history did he desrve to beat bertil...
...yes his back was better...but what else..
everybody seems to judge the competition on who has the best back....
bertil made..samir look small and flat... arms chest shoulders...
no comparision..
also musle insertion and muscle shape.. genetically...bertil miles superior
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bertil all the way
I always laugh when people say Bertil should have beaten Samir. In 1983 Bertil was in 5th place he wasn't even close to Samir , not by a country mile .
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i like samir.. he has bertil on conditioning
but no waay in history did he desrve to beat bertil...
...yes his back was better...but what else..
everybody seems to judge the competition on who has the best back....
bertil made..samir look small and flat... arms chest shoulders...
no comparision..
also musle insertion and muscle shape.. genetically...bertil miles superior
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bertil all the way
Not even close. Bertil was murdered.It wasent even close.
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I'm just waiting for that one idiot to come on this thread and start with the "big beef it betil" routine.
IMO, Bertil out-massed Haney and maybe even Arnold. You look at the guy and can't believe his career wasn't legendary.
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It's the age old argument Herculean Mass (Bertil) versus Shapely Mass (Samir). You can't help but admire both but you're always going to prefer one over the other. It comes down to personal preference. No one is right or wrong.
...so whai kumplainn?
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He has the most impressive arms I've ever seen.
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He has the most impressive arms I've ever seen.
no kidding.... just unreal :o
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Do you think Makkawy and Zane deserved to beat Fox that year too?
Makkawy was unreal. Tough call without seeing them side by side. Zane... no.
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pkaz were you there the first day Bertil trained at World's when he warmed up with 500. Kal was running all over gym all excited when Bertil came in. He was like a little kid. Bertil was just huge and ultra strong. You were there when I was there.
No, I was not there that day, but you and I seem to have been in the same place much of the same time during that time frame.
Bertil was awesome. I had just started bench pressing and he walked over and asked if we could train together. As you remember, he had that accent and was somewhat soft spoken. He was spotting me on inclines and wanted me to add more weight so he says, “just do it, just do it, I will tip the bar for you”, which meant spot me. The guy was incredible strong. We always finished chest with 5 super sets of dumbbell flys and dips. Everything was a minimum of five sets. Always.
Keith, those were the days, right??
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For how long? Tell us some stories pkaz!
Off and on for ~4 months. See my post to onlyme below.
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Sammie all the way. Sammie was more pleasing and in better condition. Berti was a freak though. Got to give him that.
Only me can attest to this. Sammie was incredible strong. I seen him walk into the gym, put 315 on it and do behind the neck presses without warming up for 5.
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Only me can attest to this. Sammie was incredible strong. I seen him walk into the gym, put 315 on it and do behind the neck presses without warming up for 5.
I don't need onlyme to attest to Samir's strength. I trained with him for 5 months in 1981 at Gold's. World's on 1 occasion. Yes I saw him do 315 BNP right after a set of squats. And yes... those were the days.
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Bertil was possibly the strongest BBer of his day, and IMO he soundly beat Samir in 83. He certainly beat the other 3 guys who placed above him, that was a dark hour in BBing history. The crowd booed everyone after his announcement for 5th
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Bertil was possibly the strongest BBer of his day, and IMO he soundly beat Samir in 83. He certainly beat the other 3 guys who placed above him, that was a dark hour in BBing history. The crowd booed everyone after his announcement for 5th
Soundly beat Samir? Not even close. He had second locked up. All the mass and strength in the world was not better than Samir on that night.
People always seem to mention how strong he was. Has nothing to do with the contest.He was likable. He looked great. But not better than Samir.
Here is another video of Bertil from the 80s. He is big but pretty soft. When he poses he does not look impressive. His muscle has no pop.It is the same in all off his pics also. I never got what was the big deal about him. He was huge but just didnt look that impressive for some reason. Not to take anything from the guy but when he poses nothing happens ???
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Makkaway was 5'2. Bertil was at least 5'8 - nuff said!
worst arguement ever. So no one under 5'10" should even bother getting on stage? Are you gonna tell me that Lee Priest does not bury Chris Cook even though lee is waaaay shorter? Makkaway was awsome, great conditioning, every bodypart and he posed very very well. Height is secondary in bodybuilding....and I'm about 5'7 or 5'8" but if I got onstage and a guy 5'2" blew me away I'd have no problem with it...
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Look at the striations in the tri... :o
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I think Yates said it best when he said Dexter could not be Mr. Olympia because he doesn't have the stature for it.
I do think height matters, it's just too hard to ignore.
maybe subconciously it is but realistically it should not. Dex beats guys taller than him all the time cause he's pretty damn complete just like Makkaway was...
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Not to derail the thread but personally I think Dexter has an odd structure and beats taller guys due to his superior conditioning.
His structure is fine you guys like to make a big deal out his angluar obliques but he has pretty good balance , good size and he has among the best conditioning of todays competing pros .
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http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?p=10543228 (http://www.jdoqocy.com/click-1881271-10409943?url=http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?p=10543228)
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I watched Samir train allot. I always keep think I remember guys telling he had a problem with water retention. Am I right on this. I am picturing him doing seated rows and I'm standing with Waller, and Tinnerino and someone saying that. I alwasy thought he looked great. I never really noticed how strong he was. There were allot of guys back then who were strong as hell. I'll nver forget watching Callendar doing the chins and dips with two 150 lb. dumbells hangin from his waist. Like they were nothing. Bill Pettis did that to all the time. I rememebr Roy telling me if he had a nickel for all the reps he has done like that. Louie too was strong. He dumbell curled allot back then.
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I don't need onlyme to attest to Samir's strength. I trained with him for 5 months in 1981 at Gold's. World's on 1 occasion. Yes I saw him do 315 BNP right after a set of squats. And yes... those were the days.
A set of BN Presses right after a set of squats? Interesting. Did he always do that?
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A set of BN Presses right after a set of squats? Interesting. Did he always do that?
No he just got the urge and did it.
Keith Samir was doing bent rows with 405 for about 8-10 reps. I got up to sets with 365 training with him. He was strong but never focused on the powerlifts. More like on Inclines, Bent Rows, PBN's.
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I watched Samir train allot. I always keep think I remember guys telling he had a problem with water retention. Am I right on this. I am picturing him doing seated rows and I'm standing with Waller, and Tinnerino and someone saying that. I alwasy thought he looked great. I never really noticed how strong he was. There were allot of guys back then who were strong as hell. I'll nver forget watching Callendar doing the chins and dips with two 150 lb. dumbells hangin from his waist. Like they were nothing. Bill Pettis did that to all the time. I rememebr Roy telling me if he had a nickel for all the reps he has done like that. Louie too was strong. He dumbell curled allot back then.
Bertil was so thick and dense that I don't think water retention really mattered. He was just so massive you never noticed it. But he just didn't have the symmetry and lines that Samir, Tony Pearson (who was incredable) and do you remember Greg Deferro had? Even Zane back then was awesome. I remember Roy Callendar, he used to train with sponges in each hand to better grip the bar. And I do not remember how many sets he did but he would be in the gym for hours on end.
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No he just got the urge and did it.
Keith Samir was doing bent rows with 405 for about 8-10 reps. I got up to sets with 365 training with him. He was strong but never focused on the powerlifts. More like on Inclines, Bent Rows, PBN's.
I think the reason that he did it was because he could, without much effort.....
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Bertil was so thick and dense that I don't think water retention really mattered. He was just so massive you never noticed it. But he just didn't have the symmetry and lines that Samir, Tony Pearson (who was incredable) and do you remember Greg Deferro had? Even Zane back then was awesome. I remember Roy Callendar, he used to train with sponges in each hand to better grip the bar. And I do not remember how many sets he did but he would be in the gym for hours on end.
Yes I remeber Greg. I never liked him. He always seemed so serious to me. Hardly ever smiled. And I didn't think he looked that great but was thick on top. Had a weird look to me. And I trained back with Tony Pearson on a number of occassions. He was unreal. He is the guy who put me on the tuna and lettuce diet. And we would go out to eat with him, Waller and my old traiing partner Ron DePolito. And they would only let me eat plain tuna and lettuce. Did you know Ron DePolito. He had the pink corvette and provided guys with girls (like a white pimp). He got Arnold quite a few dates back then.
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Yes I remeber Greg. I never liked him. He always seemed so serious to me. Hardly ever smiled. And I didn't think he looked that great but was thick on top. Had a weird look to me. And I trained back with Tony Pearson on a number of occassions. He was unreal. He is the guy who put me on the tuna and lettuce diet. And we would go out to eat with him, Waller and my old traiing partner Ron DePolito. And they would only let me eat plain tuna and lettuce. Did you know Ron DePolito. He had the pink corvette and provided guys with girls (like a white pimp). He got Arnold quite a few dates back then.
Remember.... You and I exchanged a number of emails awhile back regarding Ron Depolito and "Cassidy's", etc. I knew Ron very well. And he was a pimp, for real....
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Bertil looked great in power shots but didn't look so great in the other madatories and when he tried to get shredded he lost a lot of his tradmark size .
Look at this shot from the back in 83 he looks very narrow !!
I like how some people at times use the worst photo they can find just to try and prove their point. Well it is very obvious to see that Bertil has yet to SPREAD his wings in this photo ::) Bertil's back narrow ? ya right ::)
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I like how some people at times use the worst photo they can find just to try and prove their point. Well it is very obvious to see that Bertil has yet to SPREAD his wings in this photo ::) Bertil's back narrow ? ya right ::)
How is that the worst photo? thats from the 1983 Mr Olympia and while Bertil looked very impressive in the gym when he dieted down he lost a lot of size and if you have a better pic feel free to post it. And Bertil's latspreads are NOT going to be mistaken for Lee Haneys anytime soon he was realtively narrow.
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my thoughts exactly, his back was incredible. Samir was known for his back and nothing else, Bertil had the whole package! Ive seen the 83 olympia and Bertil should have won without a doubt
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my thoughts exactly, his back was incredible. Samir was known for his back and nothing else, Bertil had the whole package! Ive seen the 83 olympia and Bertil should have won without a doubt
Nothing else? How about his chest , triceps , biceps , his overall seperation ? aesthetics ? something Bertil was lacking and he was 5th how people say he should have beaten the 4 men ahead of him is wishfull thinking .
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neither Samir or Bertil had legs.
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who ever remarks about samirs chest or arms? Hes known for his Xmas tree and great back - nothing else
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Samirs strengths:
incredible back from top to bottom
highly seperated thighs
great balance and symmetry.
The rest of his bodyparts whilst good arent fantastic, but if a few were then that would throw his balance off probably.
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who ever remarks about samirs chest or arms? Hes known for his Xmas tree and great back - nothing else
Arms?
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I think Samir's chest is outstanding !
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While is quads aren't going to have great size seeing he's just 188lbs they had amazing seperation & detail
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His biceps were split
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he peaked once in his career and it "won" him the O. All im saying is he was never known for anything but his back. Just because he looked good at one contest doesnt mean he always had great bodyparts
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he peaked once in his career and it "won" him the O. All im saying is he was never known for anything but his back. Just because he looked good at one contest doesnt mean he always had great bodyparts
Samir looked great at most contests. Its just that others sometime looked better.
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No, I was not there that day, but you and I seem to have been in the same place much of the same time during that time frame.
Bertil was awesome. I had just started bench pressing and he walked over and asked if we could train together. As you remember, he had that accent and was somewhat soft spoken. He was spotting me on inclines and wanted me to add more weight so he says, “just do it, just do it, I will tip the bar for you”, which meant spot me. The guy was incredible strong. We always finished chest with 5 super sets of dumbbell flys and dips. Everything was a minimum of five sets. Always.
Keith, those were the days, right??
Mate, that rocks.............traini ng with Bertil Fox. 8)
I reckon he was hard done by in 83. That routine he does & the crowd's response is awesome. He really had the crowd on his side that day, they went ape-shit when he was called out 5th. BBing had so much more passion in those days.
Samir deserved to win IMO, he was beautifully balanced & would no doubt have collected many first votes in the Symmetry round, whereas Bertil probably lost ground in this round. Two of my all-time favourite BBers.
Samirs back was sensational, but that kneeling side chest/most muscular pose that Fox does is fucking ripper. I don't think I've seen anyone else do it. I don't suppose anyone has a pic of it?
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Samirs back was sensational, but that kneeling side chest/most muscular pose that Fox does is fucking ripper. I don't think I've seen anyone else do it. I don't suppose anyone has a pic of it?
Here you go .
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For one night, Samir was as good as Samir could ever be......but he was not just a "back" ... His quad seperation was rivaled only by platz... I thought he had a wide waist.... that was his only draw back ..
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its funny how time distorts memory.
like the SR v LL thread recently.
anyone around at the time would answer the same...LL.
and now this? Bertil looked huge and dense in some gym pics when lighting was right and he was pumped and so on and so on.
there were some guys around at that time that had better packages than Bertil. He wasnt considered a ''top contender'' at the time, because, well, he wasnt.
now its arguable that he mightve been 2nd at the 83 O. personally i dont think so, but 5th might have been a bit harsh.
samir won it though, no question. blew everyone away with his conditioning.
at that time all BBs had weaknesses. in the pics you see BB's strengths. Bertail had great strengths.
but he had glaring weaknesses.
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Here you go .
Brutal!!!!
Cheers mate.
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Hehe, a waste of Web space if there ever was one...
Keep quiet worm.......
Hope this helps!
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its funny how time distorts memory.
like the SR v LL thread recently.
anyone around at the time would answer the same...LL.
and now this? Bertil looked huge and dense in some gym pics when lighting was right and he was pumped and so on and so on.
there were some guys around at that time that had better packages than Bertil. He wasnt considered a ''top contender'' at the time, because, well, he wasnt.
now its arguable that he mightve been 2nd at the 83 O. personally i dont think so, but 5th might have been a bit harsh.
samir won it though, no question. blew everyone away with his conditioning.
at that time all BBs had weaknesses. in the pics you see BB's strengths. Bertail had great strengths.
but he had glaring weaknesses.
Great post !