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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Miss Karen on July 06, 2006, 03:14:40 PM
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I read on another post here that some guy says he uses over 5000mg of steriods a week,Now if the average steriod shot is 50mg per ml and upto 250 for sus how the hell can you inject that much?????even if cyp comes in 75mg per ml that is 30+shots to get 3000mgs a week,so how does anybody get that amount in?. :o
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you alternate ass cheeks with shoulder and delt shots,ive used 2000mg aweek with no problem at all many years ago
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(Sigh) Can someone please answer her?!?
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I read on another post here that some guy says he uses over 5000mg of steriods a week,Now if the average steriod shot is 50mg per ml and upto 250 for sus how the hell can you inject that much?????even if cyp comes in 75mg per ml that is 30+shots to get 3000mgs a week,so how does anybody get that amount in?. :o
You should put a note on your calender to call them in a year and see if they're still alive :o
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So 30+ shots in ass and delts,blows the site injection myth.Unless these guys have huge muscly butts.The pain of 30 or 40 shots must be insane anymore than 400mgs of Prop in a day and the flu like symptoms hit very hard guys have told me they feel like death when using Prop in 400mgs or 4mls in a shot.so 30 or 40 shots must almost kill.
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I read on another post here that some guy says he uses over 5000mg of steriods a week,Now if the average steriod shot is 50mg per ml and upto 250 for sus how the hell can you inject that much?????even if cyp comes in 75mg per ml that is 30+shots to get 3000mgs a week,so how does anybody get that amount in?. :o
cyp = 200mg/ml or more if you buy cheap ug made in bathroom kinda product. cyp is not made 75mg/ml unless you buy it from ug lab that claim to have 200mg/ml and only put in 75 mg/ml of low grade low purity chinease powder.
the average steroid is 250mg/ml because the "average steroid" that every one injects is testosterone enanthat since in usa the cyp legit supply is low with out prescription. the testex elmu cyp is from spain and brought to usa,, but test enanthat can be found anywhere and used more frequently by more individuals in north america as of 2006.
5000mg of hormone can be injected with 10-20 simple shots. many bodybuilders inject 2-5 times a day if not more all kinds of diff substances to keep blood levels the way they want it to be.
5000mg per week can be injected by an average user/gym rat by simply taking 1-2 injections daily.
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Yes I agree with you about the death of fools with this sort of abuse,it is in that Hienze thread by avilla I think,I was reading it and for one could not believe it the amount is out there.
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Thank you.I thought it would have to be alot stronger than 50mgs per ml as is deca so if it is 250mg per ml makes it alot less shots 14 instead of 40 big difference.Thank you for your answer.It is a Pathetic amount for a human a horse would not live long without Problems with this amount of abuse.
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To answer your question .If you are crazy enough to take 5 grams or 5000 mg of juice per week you probably would use strong anabolics like Decca 400 and Sustanon 250.Most guys who use alot of anabolics spot shoot, each muscle.This means they may shoot there ass one day, there delts the next day, and the really brave guys shoot there thighs and arms.Spot shooting is one of the best way to bring up lagging body parts.When you inject a steroid directly into the muscle it makes that muscle grow, plus if its oil based it will help make that muscle bigger.If you inject steroids in the same spot all the time the body wont absorb then and it will form an absess.This is a when the body cant break down the steroid you injected so it stays in the muscle and forms a pocket.If you dont drain this absess by using a needle or have a dr cut you open it can become a staff infection.If you get a really bad staff infection they may have to remove tissue from that area that got infected or remove that limb.I hope this answers your question.
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Thanks you know your stuff.Great answer.
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i dont know EVEN ONE SINGLE PRO CARD HOLDER that dont take 250mg/ml omna,testex or norma test every single day. it is 1 amp/day of testosterone while bulking. at the least! and im not talking about the other products.
5000mg/week of total hormones in the system is very common among gym rats. 1500mg-6000mg/week of total hormones in the system is very common for national level npc competitors and pro card holders.
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Epic narc.
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I thought I was out of here but one last question forget about health and pain with big amounts what about the costs 6000mgs of anything a week has to cost a bundle and if it is 3 or 4mths at a time how many dollars $$$$$ ??.
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what about the costs
from a pharmacy in the US, generic test cypionate is about $120 for a 200mg/ml 10 ml vial
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Yes I agree with you about the death of fools with this sort of abuse,it is in that Hienze thread by avilla I think,I was reading it and for one could not believe it the amount is out there.
See and look what he looks like ::)
there is use and then there is abuse, some guys know what they are doing when using that amount,and there are only a handful that look good doing it
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GH you are some what correct.I was a national level athlete who competed at 258lbs at 5"11 and I never used more then 2000mg per week.More is not always better.You are right alot of pro athletes do use about 5 to 6 grams of anabolics per week ,but if you know anything about the human body thats a death wish.I do know the more symetrical athletes like Troy Alves or David Henry dont use more then 2000 -2500 mg per week.Then you have Jay Cutler who probably uses more then 7 grams per week on a bad week.When it comes to anabolics it depends on how sensitive your anabolic receptors are.I know 250lbs guys who look great and only use 500 mg of test a week.I also know some gym rats who are 210 lbs and are puffy, and look horrible that take 3000 mg per week.One thing I noticed is most African American athletes have more sensitive receptors then the average white person, so they dont need as much anabolics
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To answer your question .If you are crazy enough to take 5 grams or 5000 mg of juice per week you probably would use strong anabolics like Decca 400 and Sustanon 250.Most guys who use alot of anabolics spot shoot, each muscle.This means they may shoot there ass one day, there delts the next day, and the really brave guys shoot there thighs and arms.Spot shooting is one of the best way to bring up lagging body parts.When you inject a steroid directly into the muscle it makes that muscle grow, plus if its oil based it will help make that muscle bigger.If you inject steroids in the same spot all the time the body wont absorb then and it will form an absess.This is a when the body cant break down the steroid you injected so it stays in the muscle and forms a pocket.If you dont drain this absess by using a needle or have a dr cut you open it can become a staff infection.If you get a really bad staff infection they may have to remove tissue from that area that got infected or remove that limb.I hope this answers your question.
some things you say are right about the abcess and how it's created. abcess will be created mainly and almost always from being not sterile and RE-USING needles. i tell it to the young 20 year olds all the time, you got to change needles each and every time and never re-use because infection and abcess will come. it might take 6 months but it will come out of no where like superman! and then you gotta have good insurence and pray for the best.
the rest of what you said is not completely right.
anabolics and androgen, neither one will make locolized growth. many bodybuilders would have ass the size of a 400lb woman kinda ass if they did.
gear makes EVERY THING grow,, it makes every single muscle grow the same way it grew off gear only in a faster rate.
there is a way to create local growth and it involves products like nolotil and specific oils that stretch the tissue enough to create temporary growth and with time if you inject anabolics with the above mentioned you will create growth of the desired muscle. you need to know what you are doing when you start going through this process because you can ruin you body like mr. valentino did!
you can also go the igf route but neither of them works simply because the peptide wont survive shipping. you can not get it from a doc since it is not approved and when shipped its comes to you destroyed no matter what your source tells you.
gh will help igf1 production but it will not create locolized growth, it will lean you and cut you and reduce your bf% while sparing your muscle mass and grow you lean if combined with gear.
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you alternate ass cheeks with shoulder and delt shots,ive used 2000mg aweek with no problem at all many years ago
Thats 1000 more than what Dorian Yates used.
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GH I beg to Differ, I have had an absess 3 or 4 times and I always used a new sterile needle and Pharmaceutical grade alcohol.If you keep injecting an oil based steroid in the same spot it can form an absess.Alot of pro athletes and gym rats get abesses all the time.Your right dirty gear and dirty needles can cause an a absess.But some times even if you use the best gear thats totally clean an absess can form.If you use Decca 400 it can causes and absess because the anabolic crystalizes in the muscle cell and doesnt get absorbed.If an anabolic has to many mg per cc it can cause an absses.
As far as spot shooting goes, why do you think bodybuilders have big asses, lol because alot of them squat and shoot there ass.Spot shooting is what aot of pros do these days, to bring up lagging body parts.You are right about anabolics to make the whole body grow, but if you shoot directly into that muscle on a regular bassis that lagging body part will grow.Alot of pros are now shooting IGF1 into lagging body parts to help them grow.I know alot of pro athletes such as Troy Alves Art Atwwod, Will Harris, Toney Freeman and Gustavo Baddel quite well and they tell me alot of the things they do.Plus being a competitive national athlete, I have done some research myself
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GH I beg to Differ, I have had an absess 3 or 4 times and I always used a new sterile needle and Pharmaceutical grade alcohol.If you keep injecting an oil based steroid in the same spot it can form an absess.Alot of pro athletes and gym rats get abesses all the time.Your right dirty gear and dirty needles can cause an a absess.But some times even if you use the best gear thats totally clean an absess can form.If you use Decca 400 it can causes and absess because the anabolic crystalizes in the muscle cell and doesnt get absorbed.If an anabolic has to many mg per cc it can cause an absses.
As far as spot shooting goes, why do you think bodybuilders have big asses, lol because alot of them squat and shoot there ass.Spot shooting is what aot of pros do these days, to bring up lagging body parts.You are right about anabolics to make the whole body grow, but if you shoot directly into that muscle on a regular bassis that lagging body part will grow.Alot of pros are now shooting IGF1 into lagging body parts to help them grow.I know alot of pro athletes such as Troy Alves Art Atwwod, Will Harris, Toney Freeman and Gustavo Baddel quite well and they tell me alot of the things they do.Plus being a competitive national athlete, I have done some research myself
no. since i dont have time i will right here fast what reality is after that i got to go.
ONLY DIRTY NEEDLES AND SYRNGES and or DIRTY PRODUCTS as in fake products or unsterile ones will create abcess. infection is simple to treat while abcess will cost you either accordion drainage and/or surgery and antibiotics while a piece of your tissue will be cut out and the place will let heal from the inside out. you want the first option trust me.
now, you are saying here names such as decca 400 which are all bunch of UG dirty cheap shit you dont know where they arrived from done in some steroid board guy bathroom,,the point is as long as you keep your injection clean, your needle new and your product human grade and sterile you will NEVER get abcess. NEVER. and i put in my life at least 2000-3000 injections into muscles as in i.m during my life time and career.
you dont use no decca 400 because it is garbage. you dont use dirty mexican stuff (now they are gone for short time but they will be back) and you dont use junk ug stuff and you will do just fine. you use HUMAN GRADE PRODUCTS that are LEGIT, (and this is where the tricky part is now days because they are faked so much so you gotta know your guy because if its fake human grade product it is as "good" as your deccca 400) and keep everything else sterile and your chances for abcess is ZERO. human grade amps wont do the 400mg/ml for a reason! same for the other shit i hear about now days that is going on in usa (test 500mg/ml :D)
problems with abcess created when the enviroment is not sterile and/or the products are cheap and you are cheap and dont have money to buy the good stuff or simply wanna save little $.
now to spot shooting. no bodybuilder i know of got any bigger ass than normal person at his body weight. this is not true what you said the ass is as big as your body (300lb will have big ass while 150lb will have smaller ass)
shooting gear directly into muscle will not grow it unless it is done with the products i mentioned in the posts above. shooting plain steroids into muscle will NOT grow it no matter how many times and how long you shoot,, it will only make it look swollen (suspention come to mind and a better product called nolotil) the muscle will NOT grow it will become big due to being temporarily stretched/swollen.
the growth you are talkin about will only come if combined with specific products i mentioned few posts above.
the bodybuilders you are talking about if told you this garbage are lieing to your face.
also igf1 and igf1lr3, neither will survive the shipping, so they must go directly to the provider and it is possible to do since i have done it. no peptide i know of can survive shipping beside specific brands of gh.
gotta go my friends
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no. since i dont have time i will right here fast what reality is after that i got to go.
ONLY DIRTY NEEDLES AND SYRNGES and or DIRTY PRODUCTS as in fake products or unsterile ones will create abcess. infection is simple to treat while abcess will cost you either accordion drainage and/or surgery and antibiotics while a piece of your tissue will be cut out and the place will let heal from the inside out. you want the first option trust me.
now, you are saying here names such as decca 400 which are all bunch of UG dirty cheap shit you dont know where they arrived from done in some steroid board guy bathroom,,the point is as long as you keep your injection clean, your needle new and your product human grade and sterile you will NEVER get abcess. NEVER. and i put in my life at least 2000-3000 injections into muscles as in i.m during my life time and career.
you dont use no decca 400 because it is garbage. you dont use dirty mexican stuff (now they are gone for short time but they will be back) and you dont use junk ug stuff and you will do just fine. you use HUMAN GRADE PRODUCTS that are LEGIT, (and this is where the tricky part is now days because they are faked so much so you gotta know your guy because if its fake human grade product it is as "good" as your deccca 400) and keep everything else sterile and your chances for abcess is ZERO. human grade amps wont do the 400mg/ml for a reason! same for the other shit i hear about now days that is going on in usa (test 500mg/ml :D)
problems with abcess created when the enviroment is not sterile and/or the products are cheap and you are cheap and dont have money to buy the good stuff or simply wanna save little $.
now to spot shooting. no bodybuilder i know of got any bigger ass than normal person at his body weight. this is not true what you said the ass is as big as your body (300lb will have big ass while 150lb will have smaller ass)
shooting gear directly into muscle will not grow it unless it is done with the products i mentioned in the posts above. shooting plain steroids into muscle will NOT grow it no matter how many times and how long you shoot,, it will only make it look swollen (suspention come to mind and a better product called nolotil) the muscle will NOT grow it will become big due to being temporarily stretched/swollen.
the growth you are talkin about will only come if combined with specific products i mentioned few posts above.
the bodybuilders you are talking about if told you this garbage are lieing to your face.
also igf1 and igf1lr3, neither will survive the shipping, so they must go directly to the provider and it is possible to do since i have done it. no peptide i know of can survive shipping beside specific brands of gh.
gotta go my friends
Impavid fear that GetItOnNY is more informed about gear use.
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Impavid fear ...
That would be a pleonasm.... ::)
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GH that last post was rambling garbage.First off the Decca 400 I used was from an american compound Pharmacy, the same one JC uses( you know who im talking about.)I would never use or even shoot Mexican crap because its vetenarian grade not Human grade .There are alot of American compound pharmacies popping up so there is no reason to want to or even bother to use Mexican crap.The compound Pharmacy was the one alot of doctors as well as pro athletes used, so there stuff was far from dirty.Just because you get an absses doesnt mean the stuff your shooting is dirty, it could also be caused by the body not absorbing the anabolic you injected.If the Milligram dosage is to strong per cc your body sometimes wont absorb it.I know alot of guys who use clean stuff, and they get an absess ,it is just part of anabolic use.Some peoples bodies dont break down the anabolic fully and it sits in the muscle cell causing an abssess.The last absses I had was from Decca 400 that was American.I had a nurse friend of mine drain it and the only thing that came out was the the Decca and blood.The reason for this is my body didnt except the Decca.I gave the same Decca to a friend of mine and he shot it, and used the whole bottle and didnt have one problem.Everyones body is diffrent and not all anabolics work on every person.
As far as spot shooting goes, if you inject sustanon 250 into your delts once a week they will grow trust me.If you shoot sustanon 250 in your lats, they will grow.Anytime you take an adrogen and inject it into a muscle directly it increases the muscle size and the muscle recovery time .This happens because the muscle is saturated with an anabolic envirement
Now about IGF1 ,lol.If you inject IGF1 into a lagging muscle on a daily bassis it will cause that muscle to also grow.I used IGF1 last year and I shot into my delts, and trust me they grew.Within 5 weeks my delts were alot rounder and fuller then they ever were.Anytime you inject IGF1 or any androgen you are causing that muscle as well as every muscle cell in the body to become anabolic.If spot shooting doesnt work then why do pros do it?I dont know anybody in there right mind would spot shoot there biceps if it didnt work.Most pro bodybuilders out there have shot something in there arms, either spot shooting or synthol.The 2 most common muscle shot up by pros is the delts and the arms.
GH please know what you are talking about before you attack some body who really knows
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First off the Decca 400 I used was from an american compound Pharmacy,
what does that mean? None of the legitimate pharmacutical companies manufacture a product called Decca 400, nor do they produce a nandrolone at 400 mg/ml.
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this guy is a joke. defenitely not a bodybuilder,,when you got better question for me let me know ill be back in few hours i got to also work not only fun ;)
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Tim it depends where you get the Decca 400 from.If you get Decca 400 from Mexico its dirty, and probably has little or no Decca in it at all.Now you can get Decca 400 from American compound pharmacies , you just have to make sure it a legit pharmacy.There are alot of American compound pharmacies popping up lately but not all of them are legit, and make a really clean product.The Pharmacy I used to deal with was state of the art, and had a great lab .So do your home work before buying any form of anabolic from anybody, becuae 85% of the stuff out there is dirty or fake
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Gh me a joke, your the joke.I placed top 10 in the USA super heavies, what shows have you done?I stepped on stage at 258 lbs at 5"11 and im not a bodybuilder please.I forgot more then you will ever know.Off season I get up to 290 lbs and I dont use GH, or insulin.GH post a pic of yourself, and we will compare pics, and we will see who the true bodybuilder is.I do my talking on the stage .Besides I have 5200 hours of lab time in Chem and Bio-Chem and I do custom formulations for alot of pro athletes.GH lets see a pic, since your a so called true bodybuilder, lol, .I cant wait to see this, lol.
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Steriods and localized Growth is a Myth. Steriods get absorbed systematically...Everyon e know this already... :P
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Gh me a joke, your the joke.I placed top 10 in the USA super heavies, what shows have you done?I stepped on stage at 258 lbs at 5"11 and im not a bodybuilder please.I forgot more then you will ever know.Off season I get up to 290 lbs and I dont use GH, or insulin.GH post a pic of yourself, and we will compare pics, and we will see who the true bodybuilder is.I do my talking on the stage .Besides I have 5200 hours of lab time in Chem and Bio-Chem and I do custom formulations for alot of pro athletes.GH lets see a pic, since your a so called true bodybuilder, lol, .I cant wait to see this, lol.
you are what i call the example of why the kids who read this board or outlawmuscle board or anabolicboard are all staying the same size and cant grow.
the question who i am dont matter here,,any stupid invalid can tell i am a proffessional ifbb bodybuilder.
what they cant tell is the fact that you are sitting here and writing garbage about american compund pharmacies that are located in someone's house or rented apt where they make the place a "lab". those places are not approved and get busted on a regular basis those "companies" are operated by few wanna be kids that wont care wether you die or live, they only care for your money. those "companies" get powders from china and dont ever test it nor do they care to test it and the quality of their products is garbage. dont make me bring in names because i KNOW all of them. the less dirty and the more dirty. right now it's your time to back off.
you guys on this boards should be very careful from a post such as this few last ones made by this specific guy. he is most likely a source or operate his own bathroom lab and has nothing to do with bodybuilding although in few cases those guys do work out and are the local x and gear dealers of their town.
this guy does NOT represent legit pharmas such as NORMA, ORGANON, SCHERING JELFA AND OTHERS.
the people who read this thread should know that there are no american companies who come into the world on a regular basis. it is all under ground criminals trying to get your money. you need to have 2 things in your mind when going the ug route and it is: your health and your bodybuilding progress.
neither your health or your bodybuilding progress will advance following this guy's advice.
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i dont know EVEN ONE SINGLE PRO CARD HOLDER that dont take 250mg/ml omna,testex or norma test every single day. it is 1 amp/day of testosterone while bulking. at the least! and im not talking about the other products.
5000mg/week of total hormones in the system is very common among gym rats. 1500mg-6000mg/week of total hormones in the system is very common for national level npc competitors and pro card holders.
Are you out of your mind?
That is not a common dosage. That would be equivalent to 25 cc's of test a week! I don't even think Dan Duchaine was crazy enough to take that much.
I know most of the top pros and they are NOT using that much test or any other drug for that matter.
Don't mislead the kids on the boards to thinking that's what the pros are doing.
The average HIGH dosage of test is approx. 6 cc's/wk = 1200 mg. And that isn't even necessary, it's actually a waste of the drug. Only the uninformed and uneducated bodybuilders would do something like that.
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GH ,IFFB Pro my ass .Anyone can say there an IFFB pro, lol.Lets see a pic, just cover your face MR know it all.For your information I own 3 sports nutrition companies dumbass, and we have a 120,000 sq ft facility thats state of the art.All the anabolics I did use came from the best compound pharmacy in the country, the same one Mr Cutler uses.If you are an IFFB pro your probably one of those guys who got there pro card in some small foriegn country where there was only 2 other compeitors. Beeter Yet your proabably some 16 year old kid on his moms computer who read the 2006 anabolic guide and now thinks he knows something.Either way what ever you do dont quite your day job bb isnt for you
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Um guys, someone named Miss Karen, with no real post history, comes on here as asks a seemingly naive question about gear - on the main page, no less - and you guys can't stop talking/topping each other?
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Um guys, someone named Miss Karen, with no real post history, comes on here as asks a seemingly naive question about gear - on the main page, no less - and you guys can't stop talking/topping each other?
;D
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Are you out of your mind?
That is not a common dosage. That would be equivalent to 25 cc's of test a week! I don't even think Dan Duchaine was crazy enough to take that much.
I know most of the top pros and they are NOT using that much test or any other drug for that matter.
Don't mislead the kids on the boards to thinking that's what the pros are doing.
The average HIGH dosage of test is approx. 6 cc's/wk = 1200 mg. And that isn't even necessary, it's actually a waste of the drug. Only the uninformed and uneducated bodybuilders would do something like that.
1-2 grams test + 1 gram nandrolone + 1 gram primo+ 50-150mg anabol/day = total hormones = 5000mg+ total hormons
there you have it ;)
we all do it my friend;) 250mg/day times 7 days = 1750mg/ week test = majority of national competitors on a bulk cycle. not all! MAJORITY
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Dr Chimps You are right, but GH threw the first stone saying I didnt know what I was talking about .Then he accused of wanting to sell drugs to people so be careful.I just wanted to help miss Karen, and GH took it upon himself to belittle me, for what reason I dont know
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I do know the more symetrical athletes like Troy Alves or David Henry dont use more then 2000 -2500 mg per week.Then you have Jay Cutler who probably uses more then 7 grams per week on a bad week.
Are you trying to say Dave Henry is a liar? I thought he was natural, the man doesn't even use diuretics!
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GH dont you think that alot of anabolics to be putting into your body at once.Your body can possible use all of that.Plus that much anabolics would destroy your receptors .The more juice you do, the more you will need next next cycle.Hey its your liver, not mine , thank god.When your dick no longer works dont come crying to me.
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GH ,IFFB Pro my ass .Anyone can say there an IFFB pro, lol.Lets see a pic, just cover your face MR know it all.For your information I own 3 sports nutrition companies dumbass, and we have a 120,000 sq ft facility thats state of the art.All the anabolics I did use came from the best compound pharmacy in the country, the same one Mr Cutler uses.If you are an IFFB pro your probably one of those guys who got there pro card in some small foriegn country where there was only 2 other compeitors. Beeter Yet your proabably some 16 year old kid on his moms computer who read the 2006 anabolic guide and now thinks he knows something.Either way what ever you do dont quite your day job bb isnt for you
inbetween work i will give you punishments here. i will review now each and every UG "company" so the kids on this board know what junk is. i will also make sure it is followed by human grade company so they have something to compare it to. AND JASON CUTLER DOES NOT BUY GEAR FROM YOU BECAUSE HIS DAYS WOULD BE NUMBER IF HE DID ;)
first ug company: SWISHER LABS
products are garbage. underdosed or completely not there. you get oil or underdosed product that is NOT done under sterile condition in a sterile enviroment. DO NOT BUY!
next step will be bringing back up from "dutchbb" library.
choice insted should be: NORMA HELLAS. legit human grade pharma opareted in greece and producing hormones among other products.
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1-2 grams test + 1 gram nandrolone + 1 gram primo+ 50-150mg anabol/day = total hormones = 5000mg+ total hormons
there you have it ;)
we all do it my friend;) 250mg/day times 7 days = 1750mg/ week test = majority of national competitors on a bulk cycle. not all! MAJORITY
I can see where you come up with the numbers. However, no one I know.
I want to let everyone on this board know that no matter what people here say, HIGH dosages aren't what make pro bodybuilders win shows!
I'm definitely not saying that they're not part of the equation. But drugs aren't making the difference.
The top pros are where they are because of Genetics, Hard Training, Nutrition, Supplements, Sacrifice and Drugs. But drugs are only a small part of the big picture.
If that were not true, then Ken Jones should be able to beat Ronnie Coleman by just taking more drugs.
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GH punish me I dont think so.Your coming to a gun fight with a knife, lol.First of all I dont sell anabolics to Mr Cutelr, I only used the same source as he does.I dont need to sell anabolics nor do I want to.Like I said before I own a 120,000 state of the art manufacturing plant.I do custom formulations supplement wise, not anabolic wise for alot of pro bodybuilders.I have 5200 hours of lab time in Bio-Chem and Chemstry.I was the innovator of sustained release protein 1995, the first sustained release Creatine 1996, and the first sustained release L-Glutamine 1998.I am the best supplement formulator in the industry period.If you want it I can make it.I can do anything from Zero Carb Whey Isolate, to Vitargo formulations.GH you stated you are a pro athlete, well prove it
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GH you stated you are a pro athlete, well prove it
I can verify gh15 is a pro athlete and competed this year on an IFBB stage.
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GH ,IFFB Pro my ass .Anyone can say there an IFFB pro, lol.Lets see a pic, just cover your face MR know it all.For your information I own 3 sports nutrition companies dumbass, and we have a 120,000 sq ft facility thats state of the art.All the anabolics I did use came from the best compound pharmacy in the country, the same one Mr Cutler uses.If you are an IFFB pro your probably one of those guys who got there pro card in some small foriegn country where there was only 2 other compeitors. Beeter Yet your proabably some 16 year old kid on his moms computer who read the 2006 anabolic guide and now thinks he knows something.Either way what ever you do dont quite your day job bb isnt for you
Which companies do you own?
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gh15 you say no IGF-1 can survive shipping. So a product like IGTropin from Gensci is totally inert? All the reports of people putting on weight from it, getting leaner from it etc, is BS?
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240, I just saw your personal text "I build good looking websites for good looking ppl"
Do ugly people get ugly websites?
That would suck for me :(
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I can verify gh15 is a pro athlete and competed this year on an IFBB stage.
How did you verify it?
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My manufacturing plant is called Icon Nutraceuticals, we do manufacturing for about 2 dozen companies.The 4 lines that our own are Extreme Labs, Muscle Synergy, Dedicated Woman, and The Natural Solution
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I know this is a little off topic, but what is IGF and how does it work? I know someone that was taking it and they stopped cus it was giving them heart palputations. Is it expensive? Can youtake it with insulin?
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My manufacturing plant is called Icon Nutraceuticals, we do manufacturing for about 2 dozen companies.The 4 lines that our own are Extreme Labs, Muscle Synergy, Dedicated Woman, and The Natural Solution
That's cool. Good luck!
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How did you verify it?
I talked to the dude and started a project which I think we'll be finishing as soon as my busy ass gets 5 minutes to get caught up :)
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gh15 you say no IGF-1 can survive shipping. So a product like IGTropin from Gensci is totally inert? All the reports of people putting on weight from it, getting leaner from it etc, is BS?
igtropin = garbage
jintropin = second choice gh that works!
igf peptide wont be able to survive shipping conditions.
specific gh brand peptides will. genscience gh is ok product and good for use,,american gh is 10 times better.
the igtropin made by genscience is produced for them by a diff manufactor since all rights reserved for gropep. thus you never know what you get,,those people might be getting gh insted of igf. igf1 is not effective unless you can get it directly with out the shipping process,, it is down graded to almost no active peptide during shipping.
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GH punish me I dont think so.Your coming to a gun fight with a knife, lol.First of all I dont sell anabolics to Mr Cutelr, I only used the same source as he does.I dont need to sell anabolics nor do I want to.Like I said before I own a 120,000 state of the art manufacturing plant.I do custom formulations supplement wise, not anabolic wise for alot of pro bodybuilders.I have 5200 hours of lab time in Bio-Chem and Chemstry.I was the innovator of sustained release protein 1995, the first sustained release Creatine 1996, and the first sustained release L-Glutamine 1998.I am the best supplement formulator in the industry period.If you want it I can make it.I can do anything from Zero Carb Whey Isolate, to Vitargo formulations.GH you stated you are a pro athlete, well prove it
unless you are beverly owner or part of the managments i dont consider you leading nothing. all the rest are buying from beverly,,,well not all of them but majority ask and beverly does :)
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unless you are beverly owner or part of the managments i dont consider you leading nothing. all the rest are buying from beverly,,,well not all of them but majority ask and beverly does :)
Don`t worry GH15,
This GetitonNY is a nobody. He is even threatened by me. You already owned him.
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the igtropin made by genscience is produced for them by a diff manufactor since all rights reserved for gropep.
I thought China didn't respect patents like that. If you could prove with a lab test what you say is true that would be a HUGE blow to the igf-1 market.
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unless you are beverly owner or part of the managments i dont consider you leading nothing. all the rest are buying from beverly,,,well not all of them but majority ask and beverly does :)
Beverly????
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I wouldnt buy or get any GH or IGF that has been shipped even if it was Fed Ex over night.The chances of the peptide or chains in the GH can easily be damaged from heat and fluctuation climate conditions.GH is usually made up from 192 to 196 amino acids.Amino acids are sensitive to heat and light.Once you damage an amino Acid from heat or light it is totally useless.Beleive it or not a good example is protein powder.If you put protein in a clear container instead of a nutural white container ultra Violet rays from the sun, and heat will denture the protein.Also even a high torque blender like the ones they use at juice bars, can damage the amnio acids in the protein.This happens when the blade from the blender through the protein, and the heat from the motor at the bottom of the blender.Once you break the amnio acid chain it becomes a calorie instead of a sourse of protein
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Whatever happened to just lifting weights and eating food?
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GH ,Beverly who ,Beverly international, the protein company?
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Whatever happened to just lifting weights and eating food?
Are you ok? Do we need to call for help???
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GH is usually made up from 192 to 196 amino acids.
GH that is identical to human GH is 191 aminos. Never hear of any GH that was anything other than 191 or 192 amino sequence. The 192 amino GH is out of the legit market pretty much I think, don't know if Protropin is still made.
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True Adonis it is almost impossible to get 500-600 grams of protein per day from food, unless you dont have a job.I eat 8 times a day, 4 meals and 4 protein shakes.Anybody who is succesful cannot prepare or have the time to make 8 meals a day, plus.Plus eating 8 times a day of solid food would be hard to digest
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Are you ok? Do we need to call for help???
Well its funny that people who do juice don`t realize that it really is just the drugs doing all the work. At least GH15 is knowledgeable and can admit that. Same thing with Heinz Senor and some others who can give a fuck less.
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True Adonis it is almost impossible to get 500-600 grams of protein per day from food, unless you dont have a job.I eat 8 times a day, 4 meals and 4 protein shakes.Anybody who is succesful cannot prepare or have the time to make 8 meals a day, plus.Plus eating 8 times a day of solid food would be hard to digest
Why on earth would anyone need 500-600 grams of protein?
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Van Somatropin and the older sizeon did have 196 aminos
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True Adonis it is almost impossible to get 500-600 grams of protein per day from food, unless you dont have a job.I eat 8 times a day, 4 meals and 4 protein shakes.Anybody who is succesful cannot prepare or have the time to make 8 meals a day, plus.Plus eating 8 times a day of solid food would be hard to digest
So you are saying that you aren`t successful and you also don`t have a job?
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Well its funny that people who do juice don`t realize that it really is just the drugs doing all the work. At least GH15 is knowledgeable and can admit that. Same thing with Heinz Senor and some others who can give a f**k less.
I have to disagree for the most part. Top National or Pro competitors are doing more work than the drugs.
However, with most high scool, college or recreational users I would have to agree with you.
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If you are 275 - 285 lbs off season you need 500-600 grams of protein per day.You need 1.75 to 2 grams of protein per body lb per day, especially if your natural.The only thing that repairs tissue is amino acids, especially L-Glutamine, and BCCAS, protein is the building block for human muscle tissue
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If your natural the best supplements out there are Kre-alkayln Creatine because it never converts to creatinine a nasty by product of creatine, because its P-H is 12 to 14.A protein powder with Milk Isolate, Egg white, Alpha - Beta Casein Whey protein Isolate, and Whey protein concentrates.JUst whey proytein is not enough, by combining proteins it has a better amino acid profile, and has diffrent release times.L-Glutamine after training and before bed, with BCCAS.If you want to naturally raise your testosterone levels, take 600 mg of Longfolia, 600 mg of Tribulus,100mg of Velvet Deer Antler, and 200 mg of Yohimbe.Lastly take 3- 5 grams of Vitamin C because its the most important vitamin for skeletal muscle
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Tim it depends where you get the Decca 400 from.If you get Decca 400 from Mexico its dirty, and probably has little or no Decca in it at all.Now you can get Decca 400 from American compound pharmacies , you just have to make sure it a legit pharmacy.
I'll ask again: what is an American compound pharmacy?
Once again, no legitimate pharmacutical company in the US manufactures a product called Decca 400, nor manufactures nandrolone at 400 mg/ml.
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If your natural the best supplements out there are Kre-alkayln Creatine because it never converts to creatinine a nasty by product of creatine, because its P-H is 12 to 14.A protein powder with Milk Isolate, Egg white, Alpha - Beta Casein Whey protein Isolate, and Whey protein concentrates.JUst whey proytein is not enough, by combining proteins it has a better amino acid profile, and has diffrent release times.L-Glutamine after training and before bed, with BCCAS.If you want to naturally raise your testosterone levels, take 600 mg of Longfolia, 600 mg of Tribulus,100mg of Velvet Deer Antler, and 200 mg of Yohimbe.Lastly take 3- 5 grams of Vitamin C because its the most important vitamin for skeletal muscle
What can one expect from this natural stack?
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A good American Compound pharmacy is Pharma-Tech.No they dont have a web-site,they only deal with Doctors and Pro athletes.
As far as the natural stack, evetybody is diffrent but with 6 grams of Kre-Alkayln a day alone has known to give some natural athletes gain 10 lbs in a month, an no its not water weight.Kre-Alkayln is a buffered creatine so it doesnt not make you retain water.As far as the other ingredients it all depends on your diet, training ,and taking in enough protein per day.I will tell you this it will be the strongest legal thing you can do and still compete in natural shows.If you take that stack it could give you up to 10 % increase in strength and size if done right.Plus your libido will go through the roof, so be prepared
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GH are you talking about Beverly as in Beverly International? If you are there products arent bad, but there products are old technology.They do what they say, but they dont make or have anything cutting edge
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A good American Compound pharmacy is Pharma-Tech.No they dont have a web-site,they only deal with Doctors and Pro athletes.
As far as the natural stack, evetybody is diffrent but with 6 grams of Kre-Alkayln a day alone has known to give some natural athletes gain 10 lbs in a month, an no its not water weight.Kre-Alkayln is a buffered creatine so it doesnt not make you retain water.As far as the other ingredients it all depends on your diet, training ,and taking in enough protein per day.I will tell you this it will be the strongest legal thing you can do and still compete in natural shows.If you take that stack it could give you up to 10 % increase in strength and size if done right.Plus your libido will go through the roof, so be prepared
Interesting. How expensive is all that stuff and would it really work? Has anyone you have known done it and what were the results that YOU have seen?
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It wont be cheap ,but it wont be a ton of money either.I was in the natural seen for 12 years, and won the Natural World, Natural International, 3rd in natural universe, and 3rd in Muscle Mania Pro. Plus I have worked with 2 natural Mr Universes so I know what it takes to be a great natural lifter.If your natural and you dont take supplements like these your wasting you time in the gym.Supplements if done right are like racing fuel for a dragster, it will help you perform better.Supplements help the body recovery, grow, and naturally raise your testerone levels.All the "REAL " TOP NATURAL ATHLETES " I know supplement heavily, because they know there body needs it.So if you want to maximize your gains naturally use supplements.It can make a diffrence from a good physique to a great physique
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Also another good supplent is GABA , its for recovery, muscle size and helps you sleep better at night.I would take 5 grams of GABA a day .Ast Research makes a good form of Gaba ,you can go to there webisite at ast-ss.com
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Also another good supplent is GABA , its for recovery, muscle size and helps you sleep better at night.I would take 5 grams of GABA a day .Ast Research makes a good form of Gaba ,you can go to there webisite at ast-ss.com
Isn't GABA similar to GHB ?
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No GABA is nothing like GHB .Yes they both raise GH levels, but GHB is a euphoric Gaba does not give you a buzz.Plus GHB if you take to much has been shown to lower GH levels if abused.Gaba is Gamma Aminobutric Acid, which derived from amino acids, and helps the pituitary naturally create more growth Hormone.GHB, is made from 2 ingredients, Gammabutlylactone, and caustic soda.Gamabutylactone is a drilling lubricant, and a solvent .So they sound similar but are totally diffrent
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A good American Compound pharmacy is Pharma-Tech.No they dont have a web-site,they only deal with Doctors and Pro athletes.
I did not ask for a name of a compound pharmacy, but to explain the term Compound Pharmacy. I did a search, and found you mean Compounding Pharmacy
http://lungdiseases.about.com/od/inthenewslungdiseases/a/compound_pharm_4.htm (http://lungdiseases.about.com/od/inthenewslungdiseases/a/compound_pharm_4.htm)
An American compounding pharmacy manufacturing anabolic steroids would certainly get the attention of the FDA and DEA.
I was in the natural seen for 12 years, and won the Natural World, Natural International, 3rd in natural universe, and 3rd in Muscle Mania Pro.
MuscleMemory (http://musclememory.com) is your friend
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I know what compounding Pharmacies do, lol
I also know about Muscle Memory , so whats your point?
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240 enlighten me who gh15 is then, i think getitonNY has got it quite right from my experiance and comaradery with some pros sure theres the big users who stick out like dog balls battling their genetics, the tituses and Kamalis, but most guys that look good arent using 5000mgs per week, and so much for all the igf bullshit, nearly every pro i know is using it, its much more stable than a few years ago especially the receptor grade, most off season pros will use test only off season with HGH and lately IGF as well and depending on whos coaching them insulin.
And for the record Jay dont use much at all, hes on the lower end of the scale dosage wise, dosages today are down, due to the cheaper HGH price and IGF, you dont need a ton of anabolics anymore, the combo of test hgh and igf will grow you like a weed, the top 6 in most shows takes less than the last 6 its genetics if your on 5000mgs per week and not pushing the olympia retire your shit.
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An American compounding pharmacy manufacturing anabolic steroids would certainly get the attention of the FDA and DEA.
gh15 was right, some type of UG operation, no legit compounding pharmacy. And if it is true it was real smart of NY to drop the name as well as Jay Cutlers name in connection to it! What a genious.
GetItOnNY you talk about science and then talk about using velvet Deer Antler and Tribulus to raise test. LMFAO I can see why you think Gamma-O is good stuff as well.
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240 enlighten me who gh15 is then, i think getitonNY has got it quite right from my experiance and comaradery with some pros sure theres the big users who stick out like dog balls battling their genetics, the tituses and Kamalis, but most guys that look good arent using 5000mgs per week, and so much for all the igf bullshit, nearly every pro i know is using it, its much more stable than a few years ago especially the receptor grade, most off season pros will use test only off season with HGH and lately IGF as well and depending on whos coaching them insulin.
And for the record Jay dont use much at all, hes on the lower end of the scale dosage wise, dosages today are down, due to the cheaper HGH price and IGF, you dont need a ton of anabolics anymore, the combo of test hgh and igf will grow you like a weed, the top 6 in most shows takes less than the last 6 its genetics if your on 5000mgs per week and not pushing the olympia retire your shit.
obviously i can't reveal a name, but he is an ifbb pro. I don't know a ton about gear use, so i certianly have no idea about the validity of either argument. but he runs a company and he competes as an ifbb pro. i do konw that for a fact.
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I seem to remember GetitonNY having quite a bit of knowledge in a past thread (one about chemical make-ups, formulas, etc). I think what we have here is a BBer (perhaps a pro) vs a chemist educated BBer...
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obviously i can't reveal a name, but he is an ifbb pro.
sure you can. I think everyone should use their real names on forums. stand by your words with your name
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obviously i can't reveal a name, but he is an ifbb pro. I don't know a ton about gear use, so i certianly have no idea about the validity of either argument. but he runs a company and he competes as an ifbb pro. i do konw that for a fact.
Competes? You mean "competed." Right. He's hasn't exactly been getting on stage lately.
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Van ,research does not lie.In clinical studies, if the Velvet Deer Antler, and Tribulus are infact" real," which most on the market arent, does raise your " natural " testosterone levlels.The 2 key words are real, and natural No tribulus and Velvet Deer Antler isnt nealry as strong as steroids, but it can enhance natural testosterone levlels to alot higher then they normally are.Another product you question is Gamma Orozinal .Like I said before if the Gamma Orozinal is infact real and not from China it also can raise natural testosterone levels.The said truth is alot of supplements get a bad rap because alot of companies either use junk raw materials or dont put any of what they say is in the product at all .If in fact the supplement and the company are legit, there are alot of natural supplements that work quite well.Example Ephedra is all natural and its one of the best fat burners ever made, and it gives a person a ton of energy.No natural supplements will never match steroids but they alot safer, and they will give a person decent results
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Competes? You mean "competed." Right. He's hasn't exactly been getting on stage lately.
Dorian Yates! Look out for british spelling in his posts!
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Van ,research does not lie.In clinical studies, if the Velvet Deer Antler, and Tribulus are infact" real," which most on the market arent, does raise your " natural " testosterone levlels.The 2 key words are real, and natural
THEN SHOW ME THE STUDY! In fact a fairly recent study on Sopharma tribulus terrestris (a high quality real extract) showed NO effect on test, LH etc. It's all BS!
You have ZERO credibility at this point AFAIAC. You wont be able to show any legit research either of these work.
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It depends where the Tribulus comes from.The Bulgarian Tribulus is the best, the rest is garbage.I dont know what research you have done but if you truly did reasearch you would know that real tribulus can show a false positive on a urine test.Most of the Tribulus on the market today is from China, so yes it is junk, but if you get the real stuff, its pretty strong.The tribulus im talking about naturally contains atleast 45% steroidal sponins, naturally occuring .
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Competes? You mean "competed." Right. He's hasn't exactly been getting on stage lately.
he competed in a spg 06 show. sheesh lol... PM the guy and ask him.
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It depends where the Tribulus comes from.The Bulgarian Tribulus is the best, the rest is garbage.I dont know what research you have done but if you truly did reasearch you would know that real tribulus can show a false positive on a urine test.Most of the Tribulus on the market today is from China, so yes it is junk, but if you get the real stuff, its pretty strong.The tribulus im talking about naturally contains atleast 45% steroidal sponins, naturally occuring .
WTF kind of an answer is this? Where is your evidence for your claims of increased test? I was talking of premium bulgarian tribulus... ever heard of the drug company SOPHARMA? Sopharma makes Tribestan, by all accounts a high quality extract. Sopharma is a real pharmaceutical company unlike the companies selling tribulus in the states. And no, Tribulus will not cause a false positive on a test.
Please show me one single example of anyone who failed a test due to tribulus. You are talking out of your ass.
Here, take a look:
J Ethnopharmacol. 2005 Oct 3;101(1-3):319-23.
The aphrodisiac herb Tribulus terrestris does not influence the androgen production in young men.
Neychev VK, Mitev VI.
Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry, Medical University, 2 Zdrave str., Sofia-1431, Bulgaria. neychev@dir.bg
OBJECTIVE: The aim of the current study is to investigate the influence of Tribulus terrestris extract on androgen metabolism in young males. DESIGN AND METHODS: Twenty-one healthy young 20-36 years old men with body weight ranging from 60 to 125 kg were randomly separated into three groups-two experimental (each n=7) and a control (placebo) one (n=7). The experimental groups were named TT1 and TT2 and the subjects were assigned to consume 20 and 10 mg/kg body weight per day of Tribulus terrestris extract, respectively, separated into three daily intakes for 4 weeks. Testosterone, androstenedione and luteinizing hormone levels in the serum were measured 24 h before supplementation (clear probe), and at 24, 72, 240, 408 and 576 h from the beginning of the supplementation. RESULTS: There was no significant difference between Tribulus terrestris supplemented groups and controls in the serum testosterone (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 15.75+/-1.75 nmol/l); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 16.32+/-1.57 nmol/l); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 17.74+/-1.09 nmol/l) (p>0.05)), androstenedione (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 1.927+/-0.126 ng/ml); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 2.026+/-0.256 ng/ml); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 1.952+/-0.236 ng/ml) (p>0.05)) or luteinizing hormone (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 4.662+/-0.274U/l); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 4.103+/-0.869U/l); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 4.170+/-0.406U/l) (p>0.05)) levels. All results were within the normal range. The findings in the current study anticipate that Tribulus terrestris steroid saponins possess neither direct nor indirect androgen-increasing properties. The study will be extended in the clarifying the probable mode of action of Tribulus terrestris steroid saponins.
If you have proof of the contrary, like you claim, post it or shut your mouth.
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Van ,research does not lie.
Yes, by all means, post the "research".
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Van if you do your research, which you seem to do.You will see that the German and Bulgarian Olympic lifting teams both used Androstene Dione, and Tribulus in the 1970's.Thats how they kept there gains when they come off of steroids ,plus it is harder to detect.Andro and Tribulus have been around along time, and if they are both real they can be quite potent
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Van if you do your research, which you seem to do.You will see that the German and Bulgarian Olympic lifting teams both used Androstene Dione, and Tribulus in the 1970's.Thats how they kept there gains when they come off of steroids ,plus it is harder to detect.Andro and Tribulus have been around along time, and if they are both real they can be quite potent
Van if you do your research, which you seem to do.You will see that the German and Bulgarian Olympic lifting teams both used Androstene Dione, and Tribulus in the 1970's.Thats how they kept there gains when they come off of steroids ,plus it is harder to detect.Andro and Tribulus have been around along time, and if they are both real they can be quite potent
The old research from Russia and Bulgaria and other eastern block countries is a bit suspect to say the least. Some very respected authorities have said that there was a lot of outright fake research coming out of these countries wrt herbs such as tribulus and ecdysterone etc. Not to mention most of the studies are on rats. I'm not sure what the reason was but IIRC it had something to do with government grants, the studies had to be successful.
Now androstenedione is a hormone and it was used as a nasal spray for it's psychotropic effects and for evading drug tests. I can't remember any research on herbals coming out of Germany though.
I take a bunch of herbal supplements myself for different applications but I have not seen any evidence for any herbal on increasing testosterone output significantly. Some herbs may reduce SHBG. Tribulus I think works it's "magic" by affecting nitric oxide levels. A lot of anecdotal reports say it boosts libido but that is NOT the same as increasing test levels.
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Van its seems like you have dont your home work , thats good.There are alot of natural ways to raise your natural testosterone levels.There alot of junk products out there like MethoxyIsolflavone, and Beta Ectosterone, which is pure junk.But there are things like Longfolia -Eurocomia Jack -Lonfellow Jack, Yohimbine, Velvet Deer Antler Bulgarian Tribulus ,Muira Puima , Maca just to name a few.Of course if you stacked them all together it would work best.I admit Tribulus by itself is okay, but if taken with Longfolia, or Andorstene it really kicks in.Its kind of Like 1+1= 3.They work decently alone but they are 3 times more effective when taking together, kind of like anabolics.Herbs are not as strong as anabolics, and never will be, but they can help out the natural athlete.Not everyone wants to take anabolics so natural testosterone boosters are there only choice.No there not going to make you ripped at 280 lbs, but they can add up to 10 % on your size and lifts, which isnt bad
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i think that van is the smartest most knowledgable person on the board of getbig and on the internet bodybuilding forums in general ,,,just so you know :)
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