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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: texasRUSH on July 07, 2006, 06:18:37 AM
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do you keep most of your gains in strength once you're cycled off and the gear has left your system? or will you get just a notch or two above where you began? what are your experiences and thoughts on this matter?
the more i read about it the more i wanna say forget deca and lets go with tren this next cycle!
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Texas, I believe it is all in your training regimine. If you trained hard while on it and with alot of intensity, don't change that because you've come off. The misconception is juice makes you a lion when your on and as weak as a kitten when off. WRONG!!!! I train as hard on and off, because I'm Krazee like that. Try it and tell me what you think of it.
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have u ever been usning tren ?
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nope...just test....and loved it...
but have been reading alot about the effects from tren and am liking what i'm hearing! deca is cheaper but i'm told tren has greater gains in strength than tren does so i figured i'd just stick with that...my upcoming cycle is gonna be small doses but something more along the lines of
dbol 30mg ed for 4 weeks
test enan 300mg a week
deca 150mg a week total of 12-14 weeks
OR
dbol 30mg ed
75mg of tren a week
200 or 300mg of test enan a week...for 12-14 weeks...
couldn't really decide if iw anted test or dbol for hte first 4 weeks...prop sounded like a good idea to combat supression but i've got the dbol on hand already..
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nope...just test....and loved it...
but have been reading alot about the effects from tren and am liking what i'm hearing! deca is cheaper but i'm told tren has greater gains in strength than tren does so i figured i'd just stick with that...my upcoming cycle is gonna be small doses but something more along the lines of
dbol 30mg ed for 4 weeks
test enan 300mg a week
deca 150mg a week total of 12-14 weeks
OR
dbol 30mg ed
75mg of tren a week
200 or 300mg of test enan a week...for 12-14 weeks...
couldn't really decide if iw anted test or dbol for hte first 4 weeks...prop sounded like a good idea to combat supression but i've got the dbol on hand already..
Very good cycle right here...it goes to show that there is no need for mega-dosages...when it comes to gear...most of the time MORE is not always BETTER.
You can keep ALL of your gains after TREN usage or pretty much everything once you stop...when you do that use 5-10 grams of creatine daily, keep protein UP and carbs moderate and keep training...it's all in your head. Stay in a positive frame of mind and do not believe you are shrinking and getting weaker. Use clomid for 3 weeks at 50-100mg daily...and again...stay in a positive frame of mind and believe you are getting better. Hope this helps...
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nope...just test....and loved it...
dbol 30mg ed
75mg of tren a week
200 or 300mg of test enan a week...for 12-14 weeks...
how about this :
dbol 40mg ed 6 weeks
75mg of tren EOD 6 weeks
500mg of test enan a week... 12-weeks
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how about this :
dbol 40mg ed 6 weeks
75mg of tren EOD 6 weeks
500mg of test enan a week... 12-weeks
I wonder if it would be better to do the D-Bol @ 40mgs for the first six weeks and then at week 4 thru week 10 add the Tren so that you have two different compounds at once thru the majority of the cycle and weeks 11 and 12 would be exclusively Test that way the Tren is out of your system by the time PCT starts?
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I'm donig Tren and primo, what a sick cycle. No over kill here just enough to boost the receptors:
Tren 225 a week, 75 mon,wed,fri
Primo 300 a week, 100 mon,wed,fri
Love it besides the welt the primo leaves.
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If you are not doing Tren ED then there is no point, you are simply missing out on keeping a positive balance of the tren in your body. The half life for acetate is very short, so waiting 48 hours between injects is doing nothing but causing your body to experience peaks and valleys from it.
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So the average dose of Tren E is 75-100mg eod?
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lurker so your saying do the tren every day?
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I Love tren!
It is my all time favorite.
I always take it EOD or if I can get the tren enenthate, I do it 2 x a week.
BD makes good tren!
Keep your cycles less than 6 weeks, if you want to have a liver left over when you get older!
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lurker so your saying do the tren every day?
Yes, otherwise if you want to inject less often try tren enanthate or hex.
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do you keep most of your gains in strength once you're cycled off and the gear has left your system? or will you get just a notch or two above where you began? what are your experiences and thoughts on this matter?
the more i read about it the more i wanna say forget deca and lets go with tren this next cycle!
Strength no, but gains yes :) proper PCT is needed.
AG-Guys
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lurker so your saying do the tren every day?
EOD will be good enough !
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EOD will be good enough !
Based on what? Certainly not the half life of acetate. If you are going to do a cycle why fuck around and half ass it?
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my next cycle I have to give tren a rip all I here is definate positive aspects
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If you are not doing Tren ED then there is no point, you are simply missing out on keeping a positive balance of the tren in your body. The half life for acetate is very short, so waiting 48 hours between injects is doing nothing but causing your body to experience peaks and valleys from it.
ED is best, but eod can be sufficient, the half life is 3 days.
So the average dose of Tren E is 75-100mg eod?
No, this would be an average dose for tren-a, not tren-e.
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So Arnold, let me get this straight ED is best, but at what dosage, 75mg or 100mg? I do 75mg EOD right now seems to be good enough. But I'm always open to new stuff.LMK
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75 mg eod , is good enough
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I thought as much, will continue to do so....love the tren its so SWEET!!!!!!!
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How can you guys tell this guy to use 75-100 mg of tren enthanate ed or eod??? Anabolics 2005 tells people to take 150-200mg ew !! I can see taking tren acetate at higher doses, but enthanate? Where are you guys getting this from?
I did 100mg on Thursday, and am burning up. I sweated like a pig in the gym today. I don't think I can handle anymore. We're in the middle of a heat wave, so I'm hoping that has something to do with it.
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How can you guys tell this guy to use 75-100 mg of tren enthanate ed or eod??? Anabolics 2005 tells people to take 150-200mg ew !! I can see taking tren acetate at higher doses, but enthanate? Where are you guys getting this from?
I did 100mg on Thursday, and am burning up. I sweated like a pig in the gym today. I don't think I can handle anymore. We're in the middle of a heat wave, so I'm hoping that has something to do with it.
No, this would be an average dose for tren-a, not tren-e.
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I get such a kick out of guys coming on here asking if they take a couple cycles will they keep all there gains. And even thinking certian drugs will let you keep gains more than others.
Fact of the matter is when you come off you will loose almost all your gains over time. If you hit it hard and do everything right they will stay longer. But over time your bodys hormonal system will return to where it was, and so will your size and strength. Just look at guys like Yates or Lavrone now. Competitive BB stay and look bigger because they stay on for long periods and are barely if ever off. You may be able to change your body some by doing long cycles, with good training and eating. But to think you will just do a couple cycles get big, then stop and still stay big is hogwash. If it makes people feel better though keep thinking it.
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Luv, I have to agree with the majority of what you have said. But, with that being said, if 1 is to take ASS they are also understanding that they have taken the next step in there training. I started training 10 yrs ago and decieded that I wanted more and started ASS 8 years ago. Through sites like this and much literature I have learned what works better for others, but until I experimented myself, I lost alot of what I gained. Now I take my cycles more seriously and training to the next step when I have cycled off. It truly is mind set. Guys like Dorian and Levrone took there bodies through hell and have decided that there bodies and health is more important to them at this stage in there lives. Bottom line is they don't make money off their bodies anymore and it is not there meal ticket at this stage in their lives. They both will always be great champs in the sport, but again age and time always works as ones worst enemy. And that my friend is all I've got to say about that!
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Dorian tore is tricep and can't train anymore. That is why he retired. He probably can do some low intensity training, but nothing like he used to do. He said that his biggest mistake was training too hard while at low levels of body fat, when the body is especially prone to injury.
I don't know what is up with Levrone, but he was never huge. Being well defined and having a good aesthetic build often gives the illusion of size that doesn't really exist, which is what I suspect of Levrone.
I am not saying that it is possible to keep or not keep gains from gear. I am only saying that I don't think it has anything to do with why Dorian is small now and probably has nothing to do with why Levrone is small.
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They are small because they stopped compeating. They geared, ate and trained their asses off, all three during their competitive years. They stopped the hardcore BB lifestyle and returned to their normal self.
Thats what im saying if you wanna be way jacked you must lean towards the dark side and stay there for a while. People that have genetics for BB usually can build a good physiqe naturally.
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TREN RULLLLLLLLES!!!!!!!!!! :o
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Been doing Tren A...second cycle..LOVE it. I get incredible pumps during my workout. Have not done Tren E. Is it more potent?
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it's ester is longer.
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Been doing Tren A...second cycle..LOVE it. I get incredible pumps during my workout. Have not done Tren E. Is it more potent?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=4730.0
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Levrone small? He competed at roughly 250.
And Ronnie, Jay and Marcus compete at roughly 300 . Small is relative.
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Ronnie even had to drop to 275 to be better this past O.
Supposedly he is coming in much heavier this year...much closer to the 300lb mark then last year. Either way he'll win it, so in his case it really doesn't matter. Ronnie at 75% still beats everyone else.
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Unfortunately that is the truth.
Have you seen the guest posing pics of him and the rest of the big names at the Pittsburg show in this months MD? It's unreal how big these guys get in the off season, Ronnie was by far the biggest/fattest, but I was surprised to see how big Dexter and Melvin had gotten...Massive!