the standard has fallen so much in the last 10-12 years.You ain't kidding. :-\
Jay at his very, very best could put up a good fight. I guess it would depend on the standards, with the standards of the early 90's flex and Kev would crush him. Jay does not have thier seperation. With todays it might go to jay cause in both those shows those guys weighed in at about 230-or there abouts. Since today is all about the size game Jay might be able to win. I think it's a disgrace that the standard has fallen so much in the last 10-12 years.Agreed.
Jay would be owned by those two..
Jay would be outclassed by Flex and outmassed by Levrone. The only reason Jay is called #2 in the biz is because neither Flex, Ray, nor Levrone is competing anymore.
Hell, Jay hasn't shown yet that he can convincingly defeat Dex. His last placings over him were dubious at best. I would even wager that if compared 1 to 1 to Badell, he would have a hard time beating him.
The best Cutler to date is his '01 Olympia showing (which he should have won), it's a matter of opinion but I don't think that at their best either one of these guys is head and shoulders above the other two.
Jay would be outclassed by Flex and outmassed by Levrone. The only reason Jay is called #2 in the biz is because neither Flex, Ray, nor Levrone is competing anymore.
Hell, Jay hasn't shown yet that he can convincingly defeat Dex. His last placings over him were dubious at best. I would even wager that if compared 1 to 1 to Badell, he would have a hard time beating him.
Levrone out massing Jay Cutler? did you actually have a straight face when you typed that? Get real, Jay is enormous and lb for lb, much bigger than Kev ever was. Remember, Jay actually HAS legs!
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Levrone out massing Jay Cutler? did you actually have a straight face when you typed that? Get real, Jay is enormous and lb for lb, much bigger than Kev ever was. Remember, Jay actually HAS legs!
Reading these threads it seems to me like a lot of people agree that the early Levrone (92) and Wheeler (93) were --arguably-- the best each man had to offer. Bigger didn't mean better in eitehr case. Same (I'd argue and have) with Ronnie (the 98 Ronnie or even the 01 ASC Ronnie I like much better than anything near the current 300 pound Ronnie).
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No one could beat Flex 1993 ASC not Yates not Haney not Coleman not Levrone.
I think that Kevin in 92 or Flex in 93 could definately take Jay.
Jay would have the size advantage, and better biceps than Kevin, but not much else I don't think.
yes post pics of M3 at his all time worst to prove you point ::)
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wo the f**k is M3? As for the Levrone pic, that wasnt even near his worst showing. And whoever talked about Jay placing on his name alone - HELLO! Its Kevin "Santa comes but 5 times a year" Levrone. He placed in shows based on his name more than ANYONE in the history of the sport!
what was the last contest he had decent wheels in? His legs were gone long before then but the gifts kept rolling in
youre honestly saying his name didnt push him ahead of people who actually had him soundly beaten? Come on, even Kev himself would admit he received alot of favouritism (well i would hope he was that honest)
youre honestly saying his name didnt push him ahead of people who actually had him soundly beaten? Come on, even Kev himself would admit he received alot of favouritism (well i would hope he was that honest)
haha, not looking like this.
haha, not looking like this.
Quick reminder, this is 2006.. Jay competes as much as 290 at 5'9" these days.. He would make Kevin and flex look like babies..
Jay competing at 290 ??? I think the highest figure I saw was 275.And even that sound like streching it.
But you are right,Jay will own them masswise,unless Levorne comes in his ~97 250+ shape which looked MAD.