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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: jwb on July 16, 2006, 07:02:34 PM
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Will be interesting to see if he follows through with it...
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physique perfection.
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(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/bobparis/bobparis14.jpg)
Matt is bodybuildingpro.com your own site bro?
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One of the best there ever was. I just hope hes not all Gh Gutted out like When Ferrigno made a comeback.
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Will be interesting to see if he follows through with it...
I used to train with "Rory Leidelmeyer" in the early 80s. He was great but could never get it together at contest time. I hope he pulls it off..
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Rory has no such plan, in recent past he has delt with some health problem including Cancer and right now he's having personal family problems!
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Rory has no such plan, in recent past he has delt with some health problem including Cancer and right now he's having personal family problems!
This was just decided last night according to Iabadman, Joe. I know that you know him too. I haven't talked to Rory about it yet but plan to this week.
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This seems to be comeback year. I'd love to see Rory back onstage. He was one of the greats. He was also a good actor. I saw him in a TV show a few years ago & he was excellent.
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There has been talk of him making a comeback since the early 90s! I doubt it will happen. Personally, I never thought he physique was quite as impressive as it was made out to be.
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Wow, Rory making a comeback. Remember watching him at the Pro Universe in late 80's Awesome ;D Hope that he pull's it all together. What show is he planning on entering?
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I'm pretty sure I remember the cancer topic being refuted.
Who refuted it? Rory told me himself he had cancer a couple of years ago had chemo and is in remission.
David, I'll try to get a hold of Rory today. If he does decide to do this he's crazy!
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(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/bobparis/bobparis14.jpg)
Those were two physiques that kind of remind you of Steve Reeves build. Thats what bodybuilding should strive for. Anybody who says guys like Cutler or Ronnie or Ruhl are built anywhere near as good as Rory or Paris are nuts.
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Those were two physiques that kind of remind you of Steve Reeves build. Thats what bodybuilding should strive for. Anybody who says guys like Cutler or Ronnie or Ruhl are built anywhere near as good as Rory or Paris are nuts.
EXACTLY!
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Those were two physiques that kind of remind you of Steve Reeves build. Thats what bodybuilding should strive for. Anybody who says guys like Cutler or Ronnie or Ruhl are built anywhere near as good as Rory or Paris are nuts.
I totally agree also. Two of the best ever.
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I used to train with "Rory Leidelmeyer" in the early 80s. He was great but could never get it together at contest time. I hope he pulls it off..
That's three of us on this board. I never wore the pirate clothes though... did you?
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Who refuted it? Rory told me himself he had cancer a couple of years ago had chemo and is in remission.
David, I'll try to get a hold of Rory today. If he does decide to do this he's crazy!
Joe I'd love to see him finally get his due and come in 100% but I do understand your concern for his health.
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Good points Matt C. So now you have a ironager who is willing to admit it.
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Yes, Rory is making a comeback! I spoke to him on the phone yesterday and I will be handling his contest prep. I am more impressed with him as a person than a bodybuilder so this should give you an idea of what type of man he is.
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v384/ipkiss/RLeidelmeyer0068.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v384/ipkiss/RLeidelmeyer0051.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v384/ipkiss/inni_Rory_Leidelmeyer_2.jpg)
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Those were two physiques that kind of remind you of Steve Reeves build. Thats what bodybuilding should strive for. Anybody who says guys like Cutler or Ronnie or Ruhl are built anywhere near as good as Rory or Paris are nuts.
Amen to that !!
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rory loved his black coffee,my buddy said hed drink close to a gallon of cold black coffee in an empty water bottle while he trained,rory was one of my favorites in the early 80,s,my buddy said rory was huge beyond belief,pics didnt do him enough justice
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I'm not gonna say he won't be good but I hope he looks better than he did in his last comeback. He was sooooooooo hyped in musclemag for months and months and looked awsome in the gym and then kinda fell flat at the USA's that year-I think it was the USA's..maybe the nationals. I think he should have stuck with it that year, hooked up with a good prep guy and hit the nationals..anyway, good luck to him, love the pics of him from the early 80's.
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That's three of us on this board. I never wore the pirate clothes though... did you?
No but it looked good on Rory. A trend setter you know!!
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I read about Rory Leidelmayer in Bob Paris' Gorilla Suit. He offered Paris a job personal training at his gym and in return would train Bob for his upcoming contests. He turned both himself and Paris into fat f*cks and because of that they didn't place well that the time because they couldn't get their condition dialed in. Bob's best career move was to ditch Rory's advice. Goooood book!
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I read about Rory Leidelmayer in Bob Paris' Gorilla Suit. He offered Paris a job personal training at his gym and in return would train Bob for his upcoming contests. He turned both himself and Paris into fat f*cks and because of that they didn't place well that the time because they couldn't get their condition dialed in. Bob's best career move was to ditch Rory's advice. Goooood book!
Was this supposed to be pre 1983 or after?
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This was just decided last night according to Iabadman, Joe. I know that you know him too. I haven't talked to Rory about it yet but plan to this week.
Max, didn't you train with Rory?
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Max, didn't you train with Rory?
Not exactly. He coached my training for a year. We'd meet at Gold's Venice about once a month. He'd review my training logs and diet and them send me a new program. He helped me fina;;y get that balanced aesthetic look that I was after (at least as much as my genetics would allow). But I got injured (thanks Ray Mentzer) before I could get in contest or photo shape and it ended my serious training.
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Yes, Rory is making a comeback! I spoke to him on the phone yesterday and I will be handling his contest prep. I am more impressed with him as a person than a bodybuilder so this should give you an idea of what type of man he is.
Disgusted i hear good things about you as a prep guy. Iababman speaks highly of you and I have a huge amount of respect for his opinion. I just hope Rory plays it safe for his health's sake.
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I tried contacted Rory today at the gym and his house...he returned my call but was with a client..tried him back but know answer!!
Disgusted...are you aware of Rory's past health problems??
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I tried contacted Rory today at the gym and his house...he returned my call but was with a client..tried him back but know answer!!
Disgusted...are you aware of Rory's past health problems??
We talked about it. Are you aware what they where? PM me if we like as I do not want to discuss it on the board.
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since some of you seen him train was his poundages outstanding?my buddy said rory was bent rowing with 505 with ease,any of you see some of his lifts like bench or shoulder presses?
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since some of you seen him train was his poundages outstanding?my buddy said rory was bent rowing with 505 with ease,any of you see some of his lifts like bench or shoulder presses?
bullshit.
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Those were two physiques that kind of remind you of Steve Reeves build. Thats what bodybuilding should strive for. Anybody who says guys like Cutler or Ronnie or Ruhl are built anywhere near as good as Rory or Paris are nuts.
Agree 100%
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since some of you seen him train was his poundages outstanding?my buddy said rory was bent rowing with 505 with ease,any of you see some of his lifts like bench or shoulder presses?
I never heard 505, I heard 405. With ease? Rory pushed himself always and really pushed us all to use heavy weight for shaping movements as well as the basics. You never reported to Rory that you did 225 or 275 or 315 for presses and 30 pounds for laterals. Rory wanted guys using 70 pounds plus for laterals. He used over 100 pounds for those. Obviously you don't start upping the weight like that with real strict form. But it's not an all out cheat with nothing that resembles the movement. I can't speak for his max lifts. I wasn't there to witness them.
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I never heard 505, I heard 405. With ease? Rory pushed himself always and really pushed us all to use heavy weight for shaping movements as well as the basics. You never reported to Rory that you did 225 or 275 or 315 for presses and 30 pounds for laterals. Rory wanted guys using 70 pounds plus for laterals. He used over 100 pounds for those. Obviously you don't start upping the weight like that with real strict form. But it's not an all out cheat with nothing that resembles the movement. I can't speak for his max lifts. I wasn't there to witness them.
100lb lateral raises is awesome,rory was a huge guy with great shape
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In the end it doesn't matter what rory's strength levels were. The main point is the quality of his physique and the shape it had...
Max, what show is he looking to come back at?
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In the end it doesn't matter what rory's strength levels were. The main point is the quality of his physique and the shape it had...
Max, what show is he looking to come back at?
In 1983 and 1984 I had the opportunity to occasionally train with Rory and I can honestly tell you he was one of the strongest BB's I have ever seen. I saw Rory train through various training styles depending on the time of year and what he wanted to accomplish from doing sets of 100 reps to 4-8 reps. I have watched Rory do side laterals with 90lb dDBs one arm, 455lb incline BB press, Bent over BB rows 455lbs, BB shoulder press 315 plus. I also taped (duct tape) Rory’s hands to the pull down bar while he worked to get 100 reps on the lat pull down when he was doing his sets of 100 training.
Rory would get his weight as high as ~275 in the off season and then come down to the low 200s for a contest. There was a barbeque in the back outside the gym we trained at. Right after training Rory and the rest of use would have steaks grilling. Why, because Rory did it.
As stated by jwb “In the end it doesn't matter what Rory's strength levels were. The main point is the quality of his physique”. And when in shape Rory was awesome for his time..
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Was this supposed to be pre 1983 or after?
Pre...
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Wayne Gallasch got some good posing footage of Rory in his prime. Here it is.
http://www.gmv.com.au/default.asp?pageid=products&template=PRODUCTCAT&catid=30&prodid=1159&site=1
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Pre...
Interesting tidbit. A guy like paris definitely wasn't suited to bulking. He tried to do the whole parillo thing (mct oil, mega calories) in 90 and looked like shit. Once he returned to his shape training and moderate food he came back and did well at the 91 montreal that robby won (I think maybe even chris aceto helped him for that but could be wrong...)
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Max, what show is he looking to come back at?
I haven't talked to him yet but according to my freind who's helping him (simply because he has always been a fan and he has the means), this is going to be an attempt to finally get a Pro card through Masters competition. If that's true then he'll have to requalify all the way through starting with some local show and going through the National qualifiers.
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I haven't talked to him yet but according to my freind who's helping him (simply because he has always been a fan and he has the means), this is going to be an attempt to finally get a Pro card through Masters competition. If that's true then he'll have to requalify all the way through starting with some local show and going through the National qualifiers.
sweet... well wish him the very best when you talk/see him...
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I haven't talked to him yet but according to my freind who's helping him (simply because he has always been a fan and he has the means), this is going to be an attempt to finally get a Pro card through Masters competition. If that's true then he'll have to requalify all the way through starting with some local show and going through the National qualifiers.
I'm pretty sure, but not positive that you do not have to qualify for the Masters Nationals. I know you don't for the Teen Nationals that is held with it.
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In 1983 and 1984 I had the opportunity to occasionally train with Rory and I can honestly tell you he was one of the strongest BB's I have ever seen. I saw Rory train through various training styles depending on the time of year and what he wanted to accomplish from doing sets of 100 reps to 4-8 reps. I have watched Rory do side laterals with 90lb dDBs one arm, 455lb incline BB press, Bent over BB rows 455lbs, BB shoulder press 315 plus. I also taped (duct tape) Rory’s hands to the pull down bar while he worked to get 100 reps on the lat pull down when he was doing his sets of 100 training.
Rory would get his weight as high as ~275 in the off season and then come down to the low 200s for a contest. There was a barbeque in the back outside the gym we trained at. Right after training Rory and the rest of use would have steaks grilling. Why, because Rory did it.
As stated by jwb “In the end it doesn't matter what Rory's strength levels were. The main point is the quality of his physique”. And when in shape Rory was awesome for his time..
pkaz... was that Astro Gym or Uptown Gym? I used to work at a nightclub in Whittier, right around the corner from Uptown Gym. The time frame you mentioned was about the same time Rory was coaching me. I'm starting to think we've crossed paths. Everything you've said about Rory's poundages is what I remember hearing back then. I witnessed some of it but not all.
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I'm pretty sure, but not positive that you do not have to qualify for the Masters Nationals. I know you don't for the Teen Nationals that is held with it.
You can just enter the Masters Nationals cold? Well better for Rory.
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There is a thread over on ProMuscle where Iabadman, is talking about this subject and is looking for protein companies to back Rory's training.
I wonder if Ron, Vinny or another board member involved in that business would be able to help?
The Beef
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There is a thread over on ProMuscle where Iabadman, is talking about this subject and is looking for protein companies to back Rory's training.
I wonder if Ron, Vinny or another board member involved in that business would be able to help?
The Beef
how old is Rory these days?
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I think he's like 50 . . .
What about getting Rory on ProBodybuildingWeekly?
The Beef
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pkaz... was that Astro Gym or Uptown Gym? I used to work at a nightclub in Whittier, right around the corner from Uptown Gym. The time frame you mentioned was about the same time Rory was coaching me. I'm starting to think we've crossed paths. Everything you've said about Rory's poundages is what I remember hearing back then. I witnessed some of it but not all.
Neither. It was a gym called "Flex-it-Gym" in Fullerton... Whatever you heard about his training style from very heavy to 100s was true.
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Update on this thread. Rory and I will be meeting this weekend to tentatively set our schedules, I will be training with him for his (our) qualifying show to qualify for next years Masters Nationals. He will be doing the Grand Masters and I will be doing the Masters....It'll be just like old times...exiting!!
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Update on this thread. Rory and I will be meeting this weekend to tentatively set our schedules, I will be training with him for his (our) qualifying show to qualify for next years Masters Nationals. He will be doing the Grand Masters and I will be doing the Masters....It'll be just like old times...exiting!!
right on!
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what does Rory look like nowadays?
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There is a thread over on ProMuscle where Iabadman, is talking about this subject and is looking for protein companies to back Rory's training.
I wonder if Ron, Vinny or another board member involved in that business would be able to help?
The Beef
I read the Dante through his company TRURPROTEIN and IFBB Pro BigA through his company SYNTHETEK ( some of the best products on the market bar none ) are committed to backing Rory with their great line of powders and competition products.
Dante and BigA are two stand up guys and great members of the bodybuilding community.
The Beef
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I just noticed that Rory was the strongest man in the world ::).
Same old Ironage, someone questions a claim about their heroes and they feel compelled to attack. It is a pity...
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I just noticed that Rory was the strongest man in the world ::).
Same old Ironage, someone questions a claim about their heroes and they feel compelled to attack. It is a pity...
Funny, I never read that :-\!
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I just noticed that Rory was the strongest man in the world ::).
Same old Ironage, someone questions a claim about their heroes and they feel compelled to attack. It is a pity...
Yeah, same old IronAge . . . The one that kicked your ass out.
The Beef
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Muscle Memory website lists Rory as "Born March 18, 1958"--if so, he cannot qualify for the over 50 Masters Nationals competition until 2008. What gives?
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Muscle Memory website lists Rory as "Born March 18, 1958"--if so, he cannot qualify for the over 50 Masters Nationals competition until 2008. What gives?
Rory is 51!
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Yeah, same old IronAge . . . The one that kicked your ass out.
The Beef
Very true. Your point?
They kicked me out because Shawn and his mods cannot stand if someone in any way questions their heroes. I think it is a sad state of affairs that they feel compelled to live in some bodybuilding fantasy land.
Iron game history is very cool and reading about some of the greats is equally cool. That said, they feel compelled to keep fantasy claims alive.
Anyhoo, life goes on.
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My point Chris, is that you are known on a lot of boards as an exceptionally intelligent, well written guy, but one who lacks respect for others. You got the boot for that, not for speaking your mind. I guess the bottom line is everyone suffered a bit, you got the boot and a lot of members no longer get your input ( which when stated respectfully is often very good. )
IronAge is full of guys who for the most part have fought their battles ( in life ) and like to have a place where respect and support is the order of the day. They don't jump on every post which questions an IronAge athlete, just the ones which are presented in a combative manner.
The Beef ( IronAge member for 3 years and counting )
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My point Chris, is that you are known on a lot of boards as an exceptionally intelligent, well written guy, but one who lacks respect for others. You got the boot for that, not for speaking your mind. I guess the bottom line is everyone suffered a bit, you got the boot and a lot of members no longer get your input ( which when stated respectfully is often very good. )
IronAge is full of guys who for the most part have fought their battles ( in life ) and like to have a place where respect and support is the order of the day. They don't jump on every post which questions an IronAge athlete, just the ones which are presented in a combative manner.
The Beef ( IronAge member for 3 years and counting )
Well spoken Beef!
Joe... glad to hear about you and Rory training together. I know you'll be pushing each other hard. Time to shut some of these children up.
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Well spoken Beef!
Joe... glad to hear about you and Rory training together. I know you'll be pushing each other hard. Time to shut some of these children up.
Yep, this is going to be fun, Rory told me you guys spoke last week.
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Update on this thread. Rory and I will be meeting this weekend to tentatively set our schedules, I will be training with him for his (our) qualifying show to qualify for next years Masters Nationals. He will be doing the Grand Masters and I will be doing the Masters....It'll be just like old times...exiting!!
Hi Intense,
The spellcheck has unfortunately failed you again. Exiting is not the correct word you're looking for (though it is an amusing slip given the nature of discussion and the state of bodybuilding).
I know you like to point out others mistakes so I thought I'd do you the favour.
No problem!
Rocket
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Yep, this is going to be fun, Rory told me you guys spoke last week.
Well I left a message with his wife and gave him my full support and it was me who put him in touch with Iabadman but we didn't actually speak yet. Man that will be cool for both of you to win your shows and get your cards. Did you ever find pic's of this years winners?
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My point Chris, is that you are known on a lot of boards as an exceptionally intelligent, well written guy, but one who lacks respect for others. You got the boot for that, not for speaking your mind. I guess the bottom line is everyone suffered a bit, you got the boot and a lot of members no longer get your input ( which when stated respectfully is often very good. )
IronAge is full of guys who for the most part have fought their battles ( in life ) and like to have a place where respect and support is the order of the day. They don't jump on every post which questions an IronAge athlete, just the ones which are presented in a combative manner.
The Beef ( IronAge member for 3 years and counting )
Well, thanks for the compliment portion of your statement. As to the other part, I must disagree but you are certainly entitled to your opinion.
I WILL say I have no more respect for pros than any man or woman other than for their iron game accomplishments. If a pro spews b.s. and I know it to be so I feel compelled to point it out. In truth, in the last few years I have made it a point to try to keep my thoughts on many matters more to myself.
So, for example, I have would say nothing to Serge Nubret who is posting like mad on the Ironage site because he is only expressing his opinion and his claims do not seem outlandish to me. On the other hand, the bullshit claims (in my opinion) made by someone else on Rory's behalf ARE something I would speak about. The raw (possibly with knee wraps) 3 lift claims (squat, bench, deadlift) made for Rory are just a crock of shit yet the Ironage mods like MaxRep feel compelled to believe them and strike down the fellow who questioned it. I work with some of the strongest men in the world. I KNOW strength and what realistic numbers are. I SERIOUSLY DOUBT Rory could have squatted as much as Ronnie (nearly so as "only" an 800 lb squat is claimed for him and we saw Ronnie double that in his video) who uses a squat suit, wraps, and possibly briefs (not sure as he does not say and you cannot see). Ronnie is INCREDIBLY strong for a bodybuilder and much like Eddy Ellwood could make for a decent strongman if he wanted to. Ronnie is WAYYYY bigger than Rory ever was. Rory was not as strong as Ronnie in my opinion. Ok, if I had typed my opinion on Ironage they would have all freaked on me like they did on the other fellow. Why? They (the mods and some members) like to live in fantasyland. So be it.
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not to be the bringer of bad news but..
you guys are talking about his build and lifting ability 20 years ago, god bless him but that was a long time ago. I wish him the best but do think that he can pull of a Vince?
and as someone pointed out the stories and getting out of control
offseaon = 275, contest= 200.. ::)
row = 505 with ease :o
do we believe that he will be able to compete with Rusty or Chic for the masters?
can we see a recent pic, once again I wish him the best of luck
the only comeback that I want to see is Levrone and Cormier (he isn't retired but has been acting like it)
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Hi Intense,
The spellcheck has unfortunately failed you again. Exiting is not the correct word you're looking for (though it is an amusing slip given the nature of discussion and the state of bodybuilding).
I know you like to point out others mistakes so I thought I'd do you the favour.
No problem!
Rocket
Hi Rocket,
This has what to do with this thread? Stick to the subject...please!
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Well, thanks for the compliment portion of your statement. As to the other part, I must disagree but you are certainly entitled to your opinion.
I WILL say I have no more respect for pros than any man or woman other than for their iron game accomplishments. If a pro spews b.s. and I know it to be so I feel compelled to point it out. In truth, in the last few years I have made it a point to try to keep my thoughts on many matters more to myself.
So, for example, I have would say nothing to Serge Nubret who is posting like mad on the Ironage site because he is only expressing his opinion and his claims do not seem outlandish to me. On the other hand, the bullshit claims (in my opinion) made by someone else on Rory's behalf ARE something I would speak about. The raw (possibly with knee wraps) 3 lift claims (squat, bench, deadlift) made for Rory are just a crock of shit yet the Ironage mods like MaxRep feel compelled to believe them and strike down the fellow who questioned it. I work with some of the strongest men in the world. I KNOW strength and what realistic numbers are. I SERIOUSLY DOUBT Rory could have squatted as much as Ronnie (nearly so as "only" an 800 lb squat is claimed for him and we saw Ronnie double that in his video) who uses a squat suit, wraps, and possibly briefs (not sure as he does not say and you cannot see). Ronnie is INCREDIBLY strong for a bodybuilder and much like Eddy Ellwood could make for a decent strongman if he wanted to. Ronnie is WAYYYY bigger than Rory ever was. Rory was not as strong as Ronnie in my opinion. Ok, if I had typed my opinion on Ironage they would have all freaked on me like they did on the other fellow. Why? They (the mods and some members) like to live in fantasyland. So be it.
Chris, I trained with Rory for a long time and your right, his weights were exaggerated and Ronnie is stronger than Rory, but in his day he was one of the strongest bodybuilders around but I have never seen him do an 800lb squat nor (not that I can recall) seen him deadlift at least not while we were training!
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not to be the bringer of bad news but..
you guys are talking about his build and lifting ability 20 years ago, god bless him but that was a long time ago. I wish him the best but do think that he can pull of a Vince?
and as someone pointed out the stories and getting out of control
offseaon = 275, contest= 200.. ::)
row = 505 with ease :o
do we believe that he will be able to compete with Rusty or Chic for the masters?
can we see a recent pic, once again I wish him the best of luck
the only comeback that I want to see is Levrone and Cormier (he isn't retired but has been acting like it)
Never said he would be competing with Chick or Rusty since Rory will be in the Grand Masters Div (Over 50). As for pics...they'll be coming.
All of you guys need to lay off a bit, Rory is doing this only for himself. Is that ok with you guys?
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James Hampton won the over 50 Masters Nationals this last weekend, looked terrific & went pro. He went back to the 1980s in national NPC shows. I don't see why Rory can't train successfully for this show as well. Good luck to him. He's one of the greats.
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The raw (possibly with knee wraps) 3 lift claims (squat, bench, deadlift) made for Rory are just a crock of shit yet the Ironage mods like MaxRep feel compelled to believe them and strike down the fellow who questioned it.
Well chris_mason (Lewis) thanks for the vote of confidence but I think you need to take a reading course. First, I am now nor have I ever been a mod at ironage.us
Second, I do not believe nor disbelieve the claims made for Rory as I do not know World record powerlifts nor was I present during the claimed lifts. I was a student/client or Rory's and I have became a friend of Iabadman and I did not have any desire to discredit either of them.
Third, if you read my posts I didn't have a problem with the guy "Lewis (chris_mason)" not believing the claims but I did have a problem with his very "getbigish" confrontational attitude. This was the only reason I asked the mods to delete his post and he was asked not once, not twice but three times to tone down his attitude a notch but kept coming back with more.
Ironage is not Getbig. I like it that way and want to preserve it for what it is. Does that mean I agree with everything that goes one there? No. When I don’t agree I just flip the screen and don’t contribute to a thread.
Just like the “Feats of Strength In the Gym Thread” a few years ago when you lambasted me for seeing a guy do 9 reps behind the neck with 405, you don’t read. You came at me as lying about this saying “no-one can do 9 reps easy in the bnp with 405”. I never said the guy did them easy OR strict OR that his form would pass in any kind of competition with judges. I’ve been training for 38 years and know what 405 looks like and so did the other people who witnessed it.
Like Hurricane Beef, I actually think you’re one of the few guys on the boards who we can learn from and who actually has some good things to contribute. That’s why the attitude kind of baffles me.
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Well chris_mason (Lewis) thanks for the vote of confidence but I think you need to take a reading course. First, I am now nor have I ever been a mod at ironage.us
Second, I do not believe nor disbelieve the claims made for Rory as I do not know World record powerlifts nor was I present during the claimed lifts. I was a student/client or Rory's and I have became a friend of Iabadman and I did not have any desire to discredit either of them.
Third, if you read my posts I didn't have a problem with the guy "Lewis (chris_mason)" not believing the claims but I did have a problem with his very "getbigish" confrontational attitude. This was the only reason I asked the mods to delete his post and he was asked not once, not twice but three times to tone down his attitude a notch but kept coming back with more.
Ironage is not Getbig. I like it that way and want to preserve it for what it is. Does that mean I agree with everything that goes one there? No. When I don’t agree I just flip the screen and don’t contribute to a thread.
Just like the “Feats of Strength In the Gym Thread” a few years ago when you lambasted me for seeing a guy do 9 reps behind the neck with 405, you don’t read. You came at me as lying about this saying “no-one can do 9 reps easy in the bnp with 405”. I never said the guy did them easy OR strict OR that his form would pass in any kind of competition with judges. I’ve been training for 38 years and know what 405 looks like and so did the other people who witnessed it.
Like Hurricane Beef, I actually think you’re one of the few guys on the boards who we can learn from and who actually has some good things to contribute. That’s why the attitude kind of baffles me.
I suppose I am rehashing a bit here but a PRESS BEHIND THE NECK implies the weight was PRESSED not jerked or push-pressed.
As to the attitude which was presented in the thread referenced what exactly was supposed to have been said by Lewis (Chris Mason)? If one thinks something is b.s. should one simply accept it and move on because of the "spirit" of the board? Can one not question something?
The topic is so stupid as to border on not being worth conversing about but it just baffles me how blind some people are. A guy made claim which is most assuredly bullshit in my estimation and Lewis (Chris Mason) called him on it. He got all bent out of shape and attacked the one who called his b.s. to include cursing at said individual. Now, he was not asked to "tone down" his remarks and attacks and Lewis (Chris Mason) who was rather unerringly polite in the thread had posts deleted and was asked to "tone down" his comments. Anyone who is not an utter moron can see that he was being persecuted by the fantasyland loving mods and members of that site (not ALL of them) because he simply did not go along with the bullshit and say how incredible Rory was and so on.
Anyway, it is what it is and I will refrain from further comment on the matter unless more is asked of me.
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I suppose I am rehashing a bit here but a PRESS BEHIND THE NECK implies the weight was PRESSED not jerked or push-pressed.
As to the attitude which was presented in the thread referenced what exactly was supposed to have been said by Lewis (Chris Mason)? If one thinks something is b.s. should one simply accept it and move on because of the "spirit" of the board? Can one not question something?
The topic is so stupid as to border on not being worth conversing about but it just baffles me how blind some people are. A guy made claim which is most assuredly bullshit in my estimation and Lewis (Chris Mason) called him on it. He got all bent out of shape and attacked the one who called his b.s. to include cursing at said individual. Now, he was not asked to "tone down" his remarks and attacks and Lewis (Chris Mason) who was rather unerringly polite in the thread had posts deleted and was asked to "tone down" his comments. Anyone who is not an utter moron can see that he was being persecuted by the fantasyland loving mods and members of that site (not ALL of them) because he simply did not go along with the bullshit and say how incredible Rory was and so on.
Anyway, it is what it is and I will refrain from further comment on the matter unless more is asked of me.
gotta agree with you here, i would bet my house on the fact that no one can strictly seated PBN 405 for 9 reps.
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gotta agree with you here, i would bet my house on the fact that no one can strictly seated PBN 405 for 9 reps.
MONSTER opinion!
I said in the original thread that they were standing leg kick (push) presses. And it was still VERY impressive.
Nice to know how many people need reading courses.
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MONSTER opinion!
I said in the original thread that they were standing leg kick (push) presses. And it was still VERY impressive.
Nice to know how many people need reading courses.
Really? Can you provide a link to an unedited post to verify your statement?
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Really? Can you provide a link to an unedited post to verify your statement?
Yes Chris, I'll spend hours searching through all my posts form like two years ago. ::)
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Rory was & is a bodybuilder. He is not a powerlifter. No one really cares what bodybuilders lift. What matters is what they look like.
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Rory was & is a bodybuilder. He is not a powerlifter. No one really cares what bodybuilders lift. What matters is what they look like.
Exactly!
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what would he gain from competing again?
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Wow.........now I am a fake internet stalker looking to ride Rory's coat tails...lol.......First of all , the lifts I stated for Rory, were straight from his mouth ........Have I seen them , hell no , do I have a reason not to believe them ? No ,I do not .I struck up a friendship with Rory, because Max Rep was kind enough to put us together acouple of years ago [ Rory was in the first mag I ever bought when I was ten , and I wanted to work with him,I am very thankful to Intenseone and max rep for their help ,they are class guys ] During that time Rory and I became pretty close and he confided in me more than probally most people in his life .He really earned my respect as a person . So why am I choosing to help with my own money ,time , and connects ? Simple, because he needs me . He needs to finish what he started in bbing to be able to not have any regrets or bitterness about something he dedicated his life to and got very little back .........Is this comeback going to be amazing and bring him wealth /frame? Probally not.........but will he go out with a good team behind him, as well the possibility of some new doors opening for he and his family ? God , I sure hope so .[ My goal is just to help the guy be happier and more successful] I like Rory alot , he is quality people , but he needs this in his life right now............Was he as strong as he sayes ?I have no reason to think that he wasn't [ George Gibson[ he worked for me as a bouncer at my club a couple years ago] that competed in world's strongest man competition in the late 70s .......saw him do the super set of 4-5 reps with 495 on the bench and then step up and bent row it ........and guys , he isn't the type to lie about it]
As for me ? Like I told Chris [ aka Lewis ] ......Who am I ? Does it matter ? [ i like my privacy .....i even use ip's that aren't my own for this reason.....too many vendictive pricks on the net for my taste so i am careful] Besides like I said , I was a never was been . I got busted in a large steroid bust over 10 yrs ago [ Oh yeah , i didn't nark unlike 99 % people in the sport ,I took responsibilty for what i did , and learned my lesson and moved on with my life .....]......and injuries kind of ruined my past sports endevors [but I been around some high levels in several endevers , but in the end,I just didn't have the genetics to stay healthy and perform with the best ].......So fellas , until I prove something ,like i told Chris ........go ahead doubt me , talk shit , and whatever ,but just understand I was away from lifting for nearly 6 yrs . The last 4, I have endured some very hard times ,so it has been hard to really put some good healthy training together . but I assure you, if life , and my body permit's it , I will do a raw meet in late 07 and do what I said .[ And Chris , If I haven't contacted you by let's say oct of 07 to invite you to said meet at my expense , then by all means call my ass out on this.........talk shit and do whatever , but until then ....I won't say a word about myself ever again and will keep everything i post in the future completely about Rory and not his unproven lifts ........Deal ? ] I am doing this thing with Rory only to help a man that I deem helpable .......If that makes me crazy , unstable , or pathetic in you or mr. Thomson's eyes then so be it..........all I ask is respect toward Rory and his family .And some time for me to get back totally healthy as well .In order to get some good solid heavy training back under my belt to back up my claims about myself.[ like I said I agree to not open my mouth again ,until i can step up and show what I can do ]
Mr. Mason and Thomson........i respect you guys even though you obvisously have no respect for me [ and until I prove something ,I guess understand ].......Mason you are a pretty strong guy , you use great form on all of your lifts , and you know your stuff. Mr.Thomson you too ......seem to have been around and have a ton of knowledge .............Like I said , please just keep this about Rory and let it remain postive........I have nothing to gain from helping this man .......so give me a break ,let me work hard and show you that like Mr. Mason I am the real deal when it comes to my claims........deal fellas?
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This iabadman fellow is the one who claims to ready to break all the world records in raw lifting next year. And he is Rory's best friend.
Does anyone (Max_Rep?) know iabadman personally, I mean have you met him in the flesh?
I know him personally AND in the flesh. He could of been a great bodybuilder in the Bob Paris mold (but larger) if fate and destiny could of been more kind with injuries and other aspects. He also is a great fighter of note who has sparred and trained next to "who's who in the MMA fighting game" .......and is not very liked in a certain camp for knocking "a certain fighter who is generally believed to be unbeatable" onto his ass with a missile of a punch that rocked him into last week. This is a good freind of mine and I will personally vouch for him and anything he says. Unlike half the people on these boards who bullshit till the cows come home, this isnt one of them.
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I know him personally AND in the flesh. He could of been a great bodybuilder in the Bob Paris mold (but larger) if fate and destiny could of been more kind with injuries and other aspects. He also is a great fighter of note who has sparred and trained next to "who's who in the MMA fighting game" .......and is not very liked in a certain camp for knocking "a certain fighter who is generally believed to be unbeatable" onto his ass with a missile of a punch that rocked him into last week. This is a good freind of mine and I will personally vouch for him and anything he says. Unlike half the people on these boards who bullshit till the cows come home, this isnt one of them.
ok Dante don't you have some Smith Machine partials to do or something, hahahaha, don't forget to stretch your triceps with a 200lb. dumbell. ::)
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Trained with Rory in 1982-83 at the Clancy Ross Mr. America Club, in Walnut Creek, Ca. Saw him train frequently at Golds's Venice in 1995-1996. Rory is very strong. Nice guy. At one time, he was eating eight (8) pounds of ground beef per day. True story.
That is all.
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ok Dante don't you have some Smith Machine partials to do or something, hahahaha, don't forget to stretch your triceps with a 200lb. dumbell. ::)
lol give the guy a break! ;D
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Wow.........now I am a fake internet stalker looking to ride Rory's coat tails...lol.......First of all , the lifts I stated for Rory, were straight from his mouth ........Have I seen them , hell no , do I have a reason not to believe them ? No ,I do not .I struck up a friendship with Rory, because Max Rep was kind enough to put us together acouple of years ago [ Rory was in the first mag I ever bought when I was ten , and I wanted to work with him,I am very thankful to Intenseone and max rep for their help ,they are class guys ] During that time Rory and I became pretty close and he confided in me more than probally most people in his life .He really earned my respect as a person . So why am I choosing to help with my own money ,time , and connects ? Simple, because he needs me . He needs to finish what he started in bbing to be able to not have any regrets or bitterness about something he dedicated his life to and got very little back .........Is this comeback going to be amazing and bring him wealth /frame? Probally not.........but will he go out with a good team behind him, as well the possibility of some new doors opening for he and his family ? God , I sure hope so .[ My goal is just to help the guy be happier and more successful] I like Rory alot , he is quality people , but he needs this in his life right now............Was he as strong as he sayes ?I have no reason to think that he wasn't [ George Gibson[ he worked for me as a bouncer at my club a couple years ago] that competed in world's strongest man competition in the late 70s .......saw him do the super set of 4-5 reps with 495 on the bench and then step up and bent row it ........and guys , he isn't the type to lie about it]
As for me ? Like I told Chris [ aka Lewis ] ......Who am I ? Does it matter ? [ i like my privacy .....i even use ip's that aren't my own for this reason.....too many vendictive pricks on the net for my taste so i am careful] Besides like I said , I was a never was been . I got busted in a large steroid bust over 10 yrs ago [ Oh yeah , i didn't nark unlike 99 % people in the sport ,I took responsibilty for what i did , and learned my lesson and moved on with my life .....]......and injuries kind of ruined my past sports endevors [but I been around some high levels in several endevers , but in the end,I just didn't have the genetics to stay healthy and perform with the best ].......So fellas , until I prove something ,like i told Chris ........go ahead doubt me , talk shit , and whatever ,but just understand I was away from lifting for nearly 6 yrs . The last 4, I have endured some very hard times ,so it has been hard to really put some good healthy training together . but I assure you, if life , and my body permit's it , I will do a raw meet in late 07 and do what I said .[ And Chris , If I haven't contacted you by let's say oct of 07 to invite you to said meet at my expense , then by all means call my ass out on this.........talk shit and do whatever , but until then ....I won't say a word about myself ever again and will keep everything i post in the future completely about Rory and not his unproven lifts ........Deal ? ] I am doing this thing with Rory only to help a man that I deem helpable .......If that makes me crazy , unstable , or pathetic in you or mr. Thomson's eyes then so be it..........all I ask is respect toward Rory and his family .And some time for me to get back totally healthy as well .In order to get some good solid heavy training back under my belt to back up my claims about myself.[ like I said I agree to not open my mouth again ,until i can step up and show what I can do ]
Mr. Mason and Thomson........i respect you guys even though you obvisously have no respect for me [ and until I prove something ,I guess understand ].......Mason you are a pretty strong guy , you use great form on all of your lifts , and you know your stuff. Mr.Thomson you too ......seem to have been around and have a ton of knowledge .............Like I said , please just keep this about Rory and let it remain postive........I have nothing to gain from helping this man .......so give me a break ,let me work hard and show you that like Mr. Mason I am the real deal when it comes to my claims........deal fellas?
Here is the deal, the real deal. I never said you were lying, I said I did not believe the claim made on your part for Rory. If Rory made the claim to you and you believe him them so be it. I do NOT believe him but I also said it is NOT an impossibility just HIGHLY improbable.
As to your claims I am dubious but you may be capable of them. I like Dante and think he is a straight shooter so if he vouches for you that lends a lot of credence to your claim.
So, no need for you to pay my expenses when and if you are ready to compete but I will be more than happy to attend as I like to see a strong lifter ANY time so feel free to contact me when the time comes.
Last, don't confuse me with my sponsored lifter Chris "Ox" Mason. He and I are 2 different people we just happen to share the same name.
Frankly, the thing that burned me more about the whole deal is how some of the twits at Ironage handled it not your claims or responses.
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Jimmy ...thanks for your class reply ,and i will keep up my end of the bargin until I can step up and back up my claims[until then I will shut my trap about me or Rory's strength claims].......As far as why Rory needs my help? .......That would be for him to say as I respect him , and it is not my place to share why he he needs my help . All I can say is that I really like the man and i could care less so much about the bber he was or is .......i just want to help him be happy and more successful as his friend and that is all..........I have nothing to gain and want nothing in return . The sponsers that I have set up for him are with good people that I actually know , care about , and trust . I feel the relationship between their respective companies and Rory will be mutually benificial to both parties involved ,so that is why i helped put them together.........thanks again Jimmy .......all my best to you and your family .......and time will tell if I am legit or not .....I promise I will hold the up deal i made to you and hopefully Chris will agree as well ..........Oh yeah , Rory does or did not have cancer........he had a beniegh tumor [ sp? sorry i am retarded.....lol] in his shoulder that was treated with some radiation several years back ........it still puts some pressure on the nerve , so he has to train around it and can't bench anymore..........his Dr and wife have given him the green light otherwise I wouldn't be part of this ........because like I said , actually really care about the guy..............
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Yes Chris, I'll spend hours searching through all my posts form like two years ago. ::)
Why act like that? YOU are the one that brought it up to make some negative point about ME.
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Dante ....thanks for the support my friend .I appreciate it. But like we both agreed ,the past means nothing . The future is ahead and is all that matters , but you know i am quite confindent that I can do the numbers i have stated and i plan on backing them up .........It amazes me that people can treat you so poorly on boards ,when all you have done is just be honest with people and try to help people reach their goals.......I cant wait to get a full year back into hard training with no distractions[ like all the deaths , injuries , finanaial BS I have endured the last few years ] Rory was why I started , but bro, you are why I got big and strong , you are why I did it with class and integrity [ even when i was completely retarded for my involvement with juice .....against all your advice ...i still tried to be honest and solid because your example] .....I am very thankful of all that you taught me, not just about bbing , but about life.........you are just an unbelievable person and the fact that some of these guys just don't see that is really sad to me .......thanks for backing me up .......but the future is bright and I can back up all i have said, so time will tell[I made my bed , so i will lie in it ]..............True Protein and Rory are going to be a great team for the simple fact that you both are top notch people in character ,with nothing but integrity and class.............the next year is going to interesting .......after what i have been through .....time to have alittle fun.............much love bro ....your the best !!!! The haters here are really missing out...........too bad ,because you really do have so much to share and not just about bbing[ you have been such a positive person in my life and taught me so much ] ........
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Chris I dont know if you remember, but I think you probably do.... Jason Muellar of Anabolic Extreme and some of his past articles about the extreme lifting poundages he and especially his incredibly strong training partner "the wop" would use
Iamabadman is "the wop"
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Chris ....thanks for your class reply as well............I appreciate it more than you know........I will not back out [and I will keep my mouth shut until I do something and will not say anything reguarding Rory's strength again since i have not witnessed it myself , although i do believe what George Gibson told me he witnessed ], but it will be late sometime next year........I will get in touch or you pm me as we get closer[ i know it is a long time away , but i want to do it right and not get hurt and back out].........I will cover your expenses as I invited you and I can afford it .....lol........You and Jimmy seem like solid straight up guys to me .........i hope you will help lend Rory some positive support [And Dante / Big A as well ]during his comeback as you both know that it won't be easy ..........take care.......and i appoligize if I got defensive with you at iron age ......i always admit when i am wrong and take responsibility for my actions .....i was wrong and i am sorry for how you were treated........I would like you to stay in involved in a positive manner........also can you you pm me the list of the best raw 275 lbers ever are .....i want to see what the greats have done ....thanks again guys ...i hope the drama is done and we can get back to supporting Rory........
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To reply to the question of what Rory has to gain by competing again, the answer is simple: an IFBB pro card. It is still the dream of many competitive BBs to score one, despite the extreme difficulty of doing so. Basically BBs have a better chance to be struck by lightning. But it's their dream. God knows why, since the Weiders, the IFBB & the NPC have screwed over competitors over & over again. Rory has done a lot of things, but he's still best known for having one of the best looks of anyone who competed in the 1980s. If he can get back in there & do some damage onstage, more power to him. I for one will be cheering him on.
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Why act like that? YOU are the one that brought it up to make some negative point about ME.
Chris I wasn't making a negative point about you but I've been involved in the sport since I was 16 and am now 51. I think in that time I've learned how to count the plates on a bar. My sarcasm was aimed at "sarcasm" the member since most of his posts are sarcastic. Like I said, you are a knowledgeable guy and I enjoy your input most of the time.
Look, Iabadman, Dante, Chris Mason, JimmyThompson and Intenseone this whole topic has lost track. We got off onto Rory's strength which we all seem to agree was impressive but it was only a tool in building a great physique and certainly not World record standard by Power-lifting purists.
The bottom line for me and why I want to see Rory do this is as follows; Rory is one of the guy's who was VERY knowledgeable, likable and just a good guy. For what-ever reason he could advise guys to be successful but always came in to dieted down or off. Along with Matt Mendenhall I always felt he was deserving of standing on-stage at the O with Haney, Paris, Christian and others. That he wasn't, is a huge travesty. I just would love for him to come in at his "today" best and if deserving, get his Pro card. His dream will be fulfilled and as a friend I will be happy for him.
BTW Dante, thank you for being on Rory’s team. You are the class act I always know you were.
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Rory was a PHENOMENAL bodybuilder but there is NO WAY on earth that he did a 495 for 5-6 reps bench press/barbell row superset.
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Chris ....thanks for your class reply as well............I appreciate it more than you know........I will not back out [and I will keep my mouth shut until I do something and will not say anything reguarding Rory's strength again since i have not witnessed it myself , although i do believe what George Gibson told me he witnessed ], but it will be late sometime next year........I will get in touch or you pm me as we get closer[ i know it is a long time away , but i want to do it right and not get hurt and back out].........I will cover your expenses as I invited you and I can afford it .....lol........You and Jimmy seem like solid straight up guys to me .........i hope you will help lend Rory some positive support [And Dante / Big A as well ]during his comeback as you both know that it won't be easy ..........take care.......and i appoligize if I got defensive with you at iron age ......i always admit when i am wrong and take responsibility for my actions .....i was wrong and i am sorry for how you were treated........I would like you to stay in involved in a positive manner........also can you you pm me the list of the best raw 275 lbers ever are .....i want to see what the greats have done ....thanks again guys ...i hope the drama is done and we can get back to supporting Rory........
No problem on the reply. I would send you the list for raw 275 lbers but I don't have it. I DO have Michael Soong's (he is a customer of ours) compiled lists of top lifts by class (probably the most comprehensive ever) but he does not single out raw to my recollection. The fellow who runs 100% Raw (Paul Bossi?) might have such a list at his disposal. Any total over 2000 lbs raw is TREMENDOUS.
The best ever raw total and probabably the best ever total period was Don Reinhoudt's 2420 lbs.
One of our sponsored lifters and a VERY strong man by the name of John Stafford has totalled an equipped 2503 lbs in the 275 lb class.
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Rory was a PHENOMENAL bodybuilder but there is NO WAY on earth that he did a 495 for 5-6 reps bench press/barbell row superset.
That part was true...but not 800lbs squats like some claim!
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I see Rory will not now be making any comeback but this was always going to be the case. The clue was the fact that all the hangers on were trying to help/convince him to make this comeback whereas the only way anyone really comes back is if driven from within. The "helpers" were not really helping and may in fact have damaged Rory in their attempts to take a vicarious share of his glory.