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Wow, Wayne will egt a say too? Cool.
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Milos will be on. Will he diss SRay?
Vince Taylor is on. Will he stay or will he go?
Bob is on.
I'll listen anyway.
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Vince Taylor just owned the PDI
"Once I saw what the PDI had to offer me...."
What was the offer? Second place behind Lee Priest? And a HUGE gap between the next guy
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Wow, they read a statement from Wayne DeMilia:
Vince Taylor has always been a member of the IFBB. He has never resigned, nor was he suspended. PDI does not prevent our athletes from being members of other organizations or from competing in other organization contests.
PDI does have a signed contract, dated June 18, 2006, from Vince Taylor to compete in NOC.
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sounds like 240 had it right and bob was wrong (again) there was a contract SIGNED
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PDI OWNED!
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Wow, they read a statement from Wayne DeMilia:
Vince Taylor has always been a member of the IFBB. He has never resigned, nor was he suspended. PDI does not prevent our athletes from being members of other organizations or from competing in other organization contests.
PDI does have a signed contract, dated June 18, 2006, from Vince Taylor to compete in NOC.
Didn't listen to the rest. Vince Taylor never signed on to be a PDI athlete which was a requirement.
Wayne has no case
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Vince ..."No one had offer me any money, no conspiracy, no one was playing anyone, see you at the Mr. Olympia"
Dan "Now thats a complete 180"
Bob "Company 1 and Company 2.....best oppurtunity is with the IFBB"
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Bob says the Q now is, "Will Wayne do anything about it?"
Under the bus: "Vince doens't have a lot of money. He didn't invest wisely. Wayne made promises and didn't fulfill his end."
Vince Taylor's statement: "Let's set teh record straight. I announced my intentions to retire from the IFBB. ... I did sign a contract to compete in the NOC. However I have not officially joined the org acc'ding to its own requirements. NO ONE offered me any money to endorse any company. See you at the mr O.
Then, Bob: "I thought it was a bad idea all along. We do know that Wayne didn't follow thru on his promises". Bob, what promises are you referring to?
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Bob knows what kinda dough Vince had.... what real man does that ??
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Vince clowned himself on this whole situation. He said on video that he didn't sign anything - now says in a statement that he signed a contract.
If you're a supplement company do you really want this guy promoting your product?
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At least we kow that PDI will not build itself on some old school broke double talker.
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Vince "The Trailer" Taylor.
or just plain ol' Doublewide.
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Bob says the Q now is, "Will Wayne do anything about it?"
Under the bus: "Vince doens't have a lot of money. He didn't invest wisely. Wayne made promises and didn't fulfill his end."
Vince Taylor's statement: "Let's set teh record straight. I announced my intentions to retire from the IFBB. ... I did sign a contract to compete in the NOC. However I have not officially joined the org acc'ding to its own requirements. NO ONE offered me any money to endorse any company. See you at the mr O.
Then, Bob: "I thought it was a bad idea all along. We do know that Wayne didn't follow thru on his promises". Bob, what promises are you referring to?
Brutal scrambling to recover.
Fact is, doesn't matter what Chick says now, it seems like his original prediction....that the PDI won't even last one show is coming true!
What is the PDI selling now? Lee P guest posing with a bunch of nobodys on stage with him?
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What is the PDI selling now? Lee P guest posing with a bunch of nobodys on stage with him?
That group of nobodies is way more marketable than the top 5 at any IFBB show.
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Shawn Ray congrats....
Ron gets Owned by Bob, he calls him sweaty
Green #12 345 yards..... Very impressive
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Vince clowned himself on this whole situation. He said on video that he didn't sign anything - now says in a statement that he signed a contract.
If you're a supplement company do you really want this guy promoting your product?
Yep. He only hurt his rep.
Monster backtracking.
Epic honor.
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That group of nobodies is way more marketable than the top 5 at any IFBB show.
Jack London is more marketable than Jay Cutler?
Monster Delusions.
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Vince Taylor just owned the PDI
"Once I saw what the PDI had to offer me...."
What was the offer? Second place behind Lee Priest? And a HUGE gap between the next guy
Oh snap lol 240 would have us believe that its any mans game in the PDI lol
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wow.... Milos sounds evil.
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every week.......
we say JIM MANION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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wow.... Milos sounds evil.
LOL is he Count Dracula????
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14 weeks and counting.
Bubonic stalling.
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Can anyone hear milos.. the quality is horrible..
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Who is the bad impersonation of Arnold
talking whispering ???
monster phone reception
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That group of nobodies is way more marketable than the top 5 at any IFBB show.
Stop drinking Vince Goodrum's water. That is the stupidest thing I think you've ever said on here.
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Vince "The Trailer" Taylor.
or just plain ol' Doublewide.
He'll still be in the IFBB Hall of Fame... ;D
He knew his place...its all about getting the bills paid. Wayne didn't want to give him no money. Vince said see ya round
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Can anyone hear milos.. the quality is horrible..
I agree. I can hardly make out what he's saying.....
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wow.... Milos sounds evil.
He's Yugoslavian...... ::)
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Chris Cormier is on another level than Milos!!! This is a garbage topic!!
I do agree with the whole Dorian messed up the game for the Smaller non mass monster dudes...
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Chris Cormier is on another level than Milos!!! This is a garbage topic!!
I do agree with the whole Dorian messed up the game for the Smaller non mass monster dudes...
For a minute I thought he was going to touch on the Ronnie Vs. Dorian Debate.
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Stop drinking Vince Goodrum's water. That is the stupidest thing I think you've ever said on here.
I'd like to challenge that, LIFT. They're better Bbers - but NOT more marketable.
Picture the average American thinking about buying a muscle magazine. Is he more likely to buy a cover with Galanti and Frey, or Willmore and Haley? Think about the average European. Same question.
I'd give it a split on the US, and a huge majority to the PDI guys for Eur. Much bigger pop. there. Better physiques, sure. more muscle, yep. But buying patterns do not lie. People buy what they look like, that's just a fact of life. If there were more hispanic BBers, I wager those would likely outsell the white guys here in the US. Just like Dim would outsell a Gunter in Asia. Think worldwide, and realize that most people will buy materials with models resembling what they would like to look like.
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Wayne didn't want to give him no money.
Didn't want to give him no...
Vince, you illiterate waste of space. Invest in a grammar book or something. And for God's sake, proofread your ghetto website.
Now, turn off your computer and go ride your magic stick or whatever it is that you do to achieve such a herculean physique.
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I'd like to challenge that, LIFT. They're better Bbers - but NOT more marketable.
Picture the average American thinking about buying a muscle magazine. Is he more likely to buy a cover with Galanti and Frey, or Willmore and Haley? Think about the average European. Same question.
I'd give it a split on the US, and a huge majority to the PDI guys for Eur. Much bigger pop. there. Better physiques, sure. more muscle, yep. But buying patterns do not lie. People buy what they look like, that's just a fact of life. If there were more hispanic BBers, I wager those would likely outsell the white guys here in the US. Just like Dim would outsell a Gunter in Asia. Think worldwide, and realize that most people will buy materials with models resembling what they would like to look like.
By that logic, would Jack London sell out in the UK?
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By that logic, would Jack London sell out in the UK?
I don't know. jack isn't as marketable as a guy with hair. simple fact of marketing.
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I'd like to challenge that, LIFT.
Picture the average American thinking about buying a muscle magazine. Is he more likely to buy a cover with Galanti and Frey, or Willmore and Haley? Think about the average European. Same question.
I'd give it a split on the US, and a huge majority to the PDI guys for Eur. Much bigger pop. there. Better physiques, sure. more muscle, yep. But buying patterns do not lie. People buy what they look like, that's just a fact of life. If there were more hispanic BBers, I wager those would likely outsell the white guys here in the US. Just like Dim would outsell a Gunter in Asia. Think worldwide, and realize that most people will buy materials with models resembling what they would like to look like.
Dude clearly you haven't seen the guys who compete from Europe at the IRONMAN. Their physiques are a mess. I respectfully disagree with your thoughts on this.
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Dude clearly you haven't seen the guys who compete from Europe at the IRONMAN? Their physiques are a mess. I respectfully disagree with your thoughts on this.
I agree about the physiques. An ugly BBer may DESTROY a good-looking guy onstage, but the good-looking guy will outsell the ugly man in mag covers and possibly ticket flyers. It's not a race thing either - Rich jones would outsell Dorian in the mass market. Good looks = sales. Only a very small % of ppl buy based upon quality of BBer.
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Dude clearly you haven't seen the guys who compete from Europe at the IRONMAN. Their physiques are a mess. I respectfully disagree with your thoughts on this.
You don't have to do anything with respect regarding Vince.
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I agree about the physiques. An ugly BBer may DESTROY a good-looking guy onstage, but the good-looking guy will outsell the ugly man in mag covers and possibly ticket flyers. It's not a race thing either - Rich jones would outsell Dorian in the mass market. Good looks = sales. Only a very small % of ppl buy based upon quality of BBer.
I agree with the looks = sales but who in the PDI from Europe will outsell Phil Heath or Gunter?
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Am I the only one who thinks Milos is bullshitting right now?
He saved MM's life?
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he saved my life once....traumatic experience...i dont want to get into it right now
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What happened next is really unbelievable.....Shawn being Shawn
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this is the biggest Bob Chick owning ever.
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Milos on the drug case:
I would deposit DJ's checks in the US from Weider. DJ needed Milos to being him the $ to buy a house. Shawn Ray heard about it, Milos confided in Shawn about the money.
Milos went to Thailand. Shawn didn't wanna go. Shawn ran his mouth to some ppl at the gym, said that Milos was smuggling $ to Thai for steroids. Guy dropped dime to DEA. Milos caught a case. DEA searched his house. Shawn spoke to them over and over, invited them into his house. "If he had nothing to say - would the DEA agents keep coming back to hear his silence?"
Milos: I am giving Shawn the chance to publicly speak on what I am guilty of. I was never charged with trafficking & dist. Shawn is calling me a drug dealer, when the charge was only 'consp. to possess for personal use'.
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this is the biggest Bob Chick owning ever.
you act like that is a very difficult thing to do.....he is a pro which is more than i can say for most on this board but he does shoot off pretty often (it seems to me) without his facts being 100%
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First Kamaili now Milos...
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This is HORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIB LE
Listening to ice melt is more exciting.
GOD, step in and narrow the topic down.....HOSTS WHERE ARE YOU????
Did chick go do cardio or something???
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He never dealed in drugs....so he never used steroids ever ??
"Wolves"
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Milos on the drug case:
I would deposit DJ's checks in the US from Weider. DJ needed Milos to being him the $ to buy a house. Shawn Ray heard about it, Milos confided in Shawn about the money.
Milos went to Thailand. Shawn didn't wanna go. Shawn ran his mouth to some ppl at the gym, said that Milos was smuggling $ to Thai for steroids. Guy dropped dime to DEA. Milos caught a case. DEA searched his house. Shawn spoke to them over and over, invited them into his house. "If he had nothing to say - would the DEA agents keep coming back to hear his silence?"
Milos: I am giving Shawn the chance to publicly speak on what I am guilty of. I was never charged with trafficking & dist. Shawn is calling me a drug dealer, when the charge was only 'consp. to possess for personal use'.
are you suggesting that there was a lot more that Shawn shared with the DEA than tea and crumpets, 240?
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i thought we were going to hear from mandy polk regarding titus and kelly....did i miss something?
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I agree with the looks = sales but who in the PDI from Europe will outsell Phil Heath or Gunter?
I dunno. That frey guys looks like a dark haired, leaner Gunter. Galanti would outsell most IFBB guys.
I guess the reason I have such belief the PDI can succeed is that it seems like they're trying to get a very large cross-section of athletes from every race/region/creed/whatever. Will make it very easy to market in a lot of areas, and see what sticks. I don't know that a Heath OR a Gunter could sell a magazine in India with 1B people- but a Sami al haddad certainly would.
I know no one really talks about the "People buy what they look like" school of thought, but I think it will help the PDI market their product globally.
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Most thinking human beings that know anything about the law knows that if you get a tickect for speeding 25plus mph, goes to court and tells the prosecuter that they never speed and in turn they will have the judge find them guilty of seat belts and talking on the phone.Thats how its done.
So does that mean he never went over the speed limit. What you plea and what you did are two diffrent things.
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I dunno. That frey guys looks like a dark haired, leaner Gunter. Galanti would outsell most IFBB guys.
I guess the reason I have such belief the PDI can succeed is that it seems like they're trying to get a very large cross-section of athletes from every race/region/creed/whatever. Will make it very easy to market in a lot of areas, and see what sticks. I don't know that a Heath OR a Gunter could sell a magazine in India with 1B people- but a Sami al haddad certainly would.
I know no one really talks about the "People buy what they look like" school of thought, but I think it will help the PDI market their product globally.
Sami Al Haddad would sell out in India???
Yeah, i'm sure he would be a number one seller especially after the recent terrorist bombings there.
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That's it?
That was terrrible, he didn't say anything....I thought he had "Burning Issues" to discuss???
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Most thinking human beings that know anything about the law knows that if you get a tickect for speeding 25plus mph, goes to court and tells the prosecuter that they never speed will have the judge find them guilty of seat belts and talking on the phone. So does that mean he never went over the speed limit. what you plea and what you did are two diffrent things.
what?
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I dunno. That frey guys looks like a dark haired, leaner Gunter. Galanti would outsell most IFBB guys.
I guess the reason I have such belief the PDI can succeed is that it seems like they're trying to get a very large cross-section of athletes from every race/region/creed/whatever. Will make it very easy to market in a lot of areas, and see what sticks. I don't know that a Heath OR a Gunter could sell a magazine in India with 1B people- but a Sami al haddad certainly would.
I know no one really talks about the "People buy what they look like" school of thought, but I think it will help the PDI market their product globally.
Galanti would outsell most IFBB guys in what regards?
Two things -
1) One you have to have a product to sell first.
2) What media outlet will you be able to even attempt to market these guys?
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Sami Al Haddad would sell out in India???
My point was that people who lived in India are more likely to choose a cover with Sami on it, than Gunter or Heath. I'm not tossing politics in, just psychology, comfort levels, familiarity, etc etc.
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My point was that people who lived in India are more likely to choose a cover with Sami on it, than Gunter or Heath. I'm not tossing politics in, just psychology, comfort levels, familiarity, etc etc.
what if you put a red dot on Gunter's forehead?
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WHAT????
100,000 dollar bill for a superficial staph infection which is treated with a 10 dollar prescription for keflex.
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Galanti would outsell most IFBB guys in what regards?
Two things -
1) One you have to have a product to sell first.
2) What media outlet will you be able to even attempt to market these guys?
I believe that for any product not marketed to the very educated, very small BBing niche, Galanti would outsell most IFBB guys on most products. He has a strong profile, a full head of hair, and isn't a bad looking guy. Of course for the 5K ppl that buy O tickets, IFBB guys will outsell the Galantis. But if its mainstream magazines, diet soda pop, fitness expos, etc, it's my opinion that a Galanti would outsell a Ruhl :)
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what if you put a red dot on Gunter's forehead?
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU MUTHA_FUCKA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Ok im out, show sucks now....
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it's a good thing we're getting a PUBLISHER on the show, but we can't squeeze Manion in.
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LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU MUTHA_FUCKA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hahaha.
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who is on right now?
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who is on right now?
The hell if I know................ ???
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where's mandy polk?
does her absence have anything to do with that thread where she was asking for money?
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where's mandy polk?
does her absence have anything to do with that thread where she was asking for money?
Is she really going to be on?
Are you guys shitting me?
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I thought they said last week that she would be on the show this week.
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epic blatant advertisement..........
when is Muscletech's VP of Athletes/stripper relations getting a segment on PBW?
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I thought they said last week that she would be on the show this week.
Well, judging by her meldown post, maybe she is on something..........alrea dy.
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mandy......id hit it. i dont really care what they say
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Mandy broke her foot competing at the Team U over the weekend, we moved her to next week...she had a Dr. appt.
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Mandy broke her foot competing at the Team U over the weekend, we moved her to next week...she had a Dr. appt.
ahh the 5 pm PST time Dr Appt.
I hate those.
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Mandy Polk was competing in New York on Friday, did a flip, landed wrong, and broke her foot. She is back in Las Vegas recuperating and resting. Very tough break on Mandy. I am truly sorry to hear that.
Vince Scalisi is a friend, met him at Weider Nutrition in Salt Lake City, Utah where he was working on Victory Products for Weider, and Metaform also. Then moved to EAS, then moved to Weider Publications, where he went up the ranks to the top. Last year, he took some time off, and now is VP in Muscletech.
One thing about Vince Scalisi, the man is truly a friend, because when things were tough, he is one of the few that stood his grounds on taking care of things. And that is cool!
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wow...tough break for mandy...i am guessing that she is not taking this so well (given her post about her current situation)
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240 your logic with the "people want things they can relate to" is fucking bullshit. FACT Bob Sapp is a major star in asia yet he is a African American, Gunter is very popular here yet he is German, Arnold was the most popular BBer in his time (world wide) yet he was Austrian, American movie stars (A-List stars) do lots of comericals in Japan but almost never in the U.S.. I could go on with more but i think this makes my point. A national hero (ex. Samir Bannout) is one thing but to take the look of someone and translate that into populatrity is retarded.
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240 your logic with the "people want things they can relate to" is fucking bullshit. FACT Bob Sapp is a major star in asia yet he is a African American, Gunter is very popular here yet he is German, Arnold was the most popular BBer in his time (world wide) yet he was Austrian, American movie stars (A-List stars) do lots of comericals in Japan but almost never in the U.S.. I could go on with more but i think this makes my point. A national hero (ex. Samir Bannout) is one thing but to take the look of someone and translate that into populatrity is retarded.
I respect your opinion. Turn on the Lifetime channel. You'll see frumpy white women in the Sears commercials. Turn on BET. You'll see trendy black youths in the McD commercial. I didn't make this up. Marketers choose models and actors which portray the ideal they are trying to sell. Of course you'll have stars that transcend this mold, that go BEYOND racial and socioeconomical lines- and THEY ARE THE BIG STARS of their sport/realm. Michael Jordan. Eminem. They crossover existing lines.
But all things equal, a white man is more likely to buy a magazine with a white man on the cover than any other race. A black man is more likely to purchase a magazine with a black man on the cover over any other race. Of course, we're all more likely to purchase a magazine cover with a hot girl on the cover...
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But all things equal, a white man is more likely to buy a magazine with a white man on the cover than any other race. A black man is more likely to purchase a magazine with a black man on the cover over any other race.
I don't buy your logic here for a second. Which one of your MBA books are you pulling this from?
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I respect your opinion. Turn on the Lifetime channel. You'll see frumpy white women in the Sears commercials. Turn on BET. You'll see trendy black youths in the McD commercial. I didn't make this up. Marketers choose models and actors which portray the ideal they are trying to sell. Of course you'll have stars that transcend this mold, that go BEYOND racial and socioeconomical lines- and THEY ARE THE BIG STARS of their sport/realm. Michael Jordan. Eminem. They crossover existing lines.
But all things equal, a white man is more likely to buy a magazine with a white man on the cover than any other race. A black man is more likely to purchase a magazine with a black man on the cover over any other race. Of course, we're all more likely to purchase a magazine cover with a hot girl on the cover...
Yeah but i believe we are talking about the PDI and it's marketing of their BBers.
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I respect your opinion. Turn on the Lifetime channel. You'll see frumpy white women in the Sears commercials. Turn on BET. You'll see trendy black youths in the McD commercial. I didn't make this up. Marketers choose models and actors which portray the ideal they are trying to sell. Of course you'll have stars that transcend this mold, that go BEYOND racial and socioeconomical lines- and THEY ARE THE BIG STARS of their sport/realm. Michael Jordan. Eminem. They crossover existing lines.
But all things equal, a white man is more likely to buy a magazine with a white man on the cover than any other race. A black man is more likely to purchase a magazine with a black man on the cover over any other race. Of course, we're all more likely to purchase a magazine cover with a hot girl on the cover...
this is by far the dumbest thing i have ever read on here
way to go rob zircoolio
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I don't buy your logic here for a second. Which one of your MBA books are you pulling this from?
That approach was presented, along with many others. It's not a race thing, not a money thing, not a cultural thing... rather, the school of thought in which you attempt to create your marketing materials which will keep the attention of the prospect for the longest amount of time, by delivering something with which the viewer is most familiar- whether it be a white kid, a poor kid, a kid with a nice shirt, etc. Whatever matches the viewer most. Responsible marketers will keep this in mind- but at the same time be more cognizant of how the prospect views him/herself, which obviously affects the decision to buy.
PREDICTING CONSUMER RESPONSE to marketing efforts is not just a numbers game. With growing diversity in the U.S. population and an economy that spans cultural and national borders, advertising is often segmented to target specific minority demographics. But to define a target group simply by percentage of population or other statistics such as income or education level mistakenly ignores consumers’ perception of their identity and status in the larger social context. And it is that perception of social status that can affect how an individual responds to images in an ad campaign.
http://www.gsb.stanford.edu/news/bmag/sbsm0211/ideas_mktg_demographics.shtml
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my point was that that PDI's athletes may not be IFBB caliber in terms of physiques, but its ability to appeal to many groups on a global basis was a strength which could allow it to succeed.
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my point was that that PDI's athletes may not be IFBB caliber in terms of physiques, but its ability to appeal to many groups on a global basis was a strength which could allow it to succeed.
That's the retarded part, right there ^^^
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That approach was presented, along with many others. It's not a race thing, not a money thing, not a cultural thing... rather, the school of thought in which you attempt to create your marketing materials which will keep the attention of the prospect for the longest amount of time, by delivering something with which the viewer is most familiar- whether it be a white kid, a poor kid, a kid with a nice shirt, etc. Whatever matches the viewer most. Responsible marketers will keep this in mind- but at the same time be more cognizant of how the prospect views him/herself, which obviously affects the decision to buy.
PREDICTING CONSUMER RESPONSE to marketing efforts is not just a numbers game. With growing diversity in the U.S. population and an economy that spans cultural and national borders, advertising is often segmented to target specific minority demographics. But to define a target group simply by percentage of population or other statistics such as income or education level mistakenly ignores consumers’ perception of their identity and status in the larger social context. And it is that perception of social status that can affect how an individual responds to images in an ad campaign.
http://www.gsb.stanford.edu/news/bmag/sbsm0211/ideas_mktg_demographics.shtml
Dude nice term paper but let's get real.
You're claiming the PDI guys are more marketable then any of the guys in the top 5 of an IFBB show. What are you going to market with anyone of these guys and why should anyone in the general public care? Vinny G has more hair then Bill Willmore and less freaky of a body, okay now what? I'm going to buy my can of soda because of it? No way.
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Somehow this thread went from a recap of a radio show to a marketing debate. And once again, 240 feels he can offer his expertise.
The fact is, the PDI needs to plan and act better than they have if they wanted to succeed. Vince Taylor and Lee Priest are going to be enough. The dropoff is STEEP after those two no matter how 240 tries to hide it. I'm not saying I wouldn't like for it to succeed and bring more opportunities to bodybuilding. Competitors should get better treatment and better opportunities and not conform to the monopolist IFBB/Weider Bank. I get the feeling Wayne has his hands in other business ventures that are more important.
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Dude nice term paper but let's get real.
You're claiming the PDI guys are more marketable then any of the guys in the top 5 of an IFBB show. What are you going to market with anyone of these guys and why should anyone in the general public care? Vinny G has more hair then Bill Willmore and less freaky of a body, okay now what? I'm going to buy my can of soda because of it? No way.
LOl ok, ok... You're an educated buyer. you know BBing. You know marketing. And you know Bbing is a very very small market.
I'm talking mass marketing, globally, for major publications- dimples and hair are more important than an extra 50 pounds of muscle. Obviously a Coleman is going to pack in 100x the ppl into a GNC that a Frey will. Very specific market, buyer knows the stars and what they want. I'm referring to any product you're trying to sell to a larger group than the MD reader base. Diet food, health cereal, I dunno, you know what I mean- anything you want to sell to a large audience, you're going to need a salesman that the target can relate to.
i wasn't trying to get into a major debate here- just noting that the PDI should have some serious ability to pull a crowd in Eur, since many of its guys are athletes. perhaps if I had made it about nationalism, it would have made more sense. It's way more fun to root for a World Cup team from your country than a better team from another country. Make any sense?
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Where do you get off that Coleman is marketable?!
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Where do you get off that Coleman is marketable?!
in the small niche Bbing market, Coleman is gold.
wait, were you being sarcastic? :)
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in the small niche Bbing market, Coleman is gold.
wait, were you being sarcastic? :)
No...
Okay, maybe so for the freak lovers with an IQ of a 6th grader, but the fact you limit your marketing and not taking advantage of the potentials is unbelievably dumb and makes me question how the Weiders got this far.
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Aight finally you speak some sense in this thread. :) Yes I agree about the nationalism in large part. Hidetada Yamagishi is a good example of that considering he is the only Japanese IFBB Pro and has a huge following in Japan. Your logic on the European guys being bigger in Europe I can see. However, there are plenty of IFBB pros who can be salesmen and sell to the same audience you're talking about, but most of them are too focused on competing and not about marketing themselves.
In my opinion, the one thing Vince Taylor hasn't done is market himself wisely in this whole debacle. This is going to be a PR nightmare for him. Which Vince will you get on any given day? The one who says on video he didn't sign a contract or the one who sends a statement saying he did but is competing in the Mr. Olympia. The guy has a right to do whatever he wants but seriously get with someone and get your story straight and stop complaining about being a broke ass bodybuilder and changing your stories.
LOl ok, ok... You're an educated buyer. you know BBing. You know marketing. And you know Bbing is a very very small market.
I'm talking mass marketing, globally, for major publications- dimples and hair are more important than an extra 50 pounds of muscle. Obviously a Coleman is going to pack in 100x the ppl into a GNC that a Frey will. Very specific market, buyer knows the stars and what they want. I'm referring to any product you're trying to sell to a larger group than the MD reader base. Diet food, health cereal, I dunno, you know what I mean- anything you want to sell to a large audience, you're going to need a salesman that the target can relate to.
i wasn't trying to get into a major debate here- just noting that the PDI should have some serious ability to pull a crowd in Eur, since many of its guys are athletes. perhaps if I had made it about nationalism, it would have made more sense. It's way more fun to root for a World Cup team from your country than a better team from another country. Make any sense?
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No...
Okay, maybe so for the freak lovers with an IQ of a 6th grader, but the fact you limit your marketing and not taking advantage of the potentials is unbelievably dumb and makes me question how the Weiders got this far.
IMO, the weiders and magazines actually do it. Gunter hasn't won a thing since 02, but he's had quite a few covers. There's been a lot of guys who have won a lot, and had far fewer covers. They're not as good looking, or they don't appeal to the buying audience, and therefore they don't sell as many covers.
Shit, why is arnold on any cover since 1980? ;)
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Aight finally you speak some sense in this thread. :) Yes I agree about the nationalism in large part. Hidetada Yamagishi is a good example of that considering he is the only Japanese IFBB Pro and has a huge following in Japan. Your logic on the European guys being bigger in Europe I can see. However, there are plenty of IFBB pros who can be salesmen and sell to the same audience you're talking about, but most of them are too focused on competing and not about marketing themselves.
In my opinion, the one thing Vince Taylor hasn't done is market himself wisely in this whole debacle. This is going to be a PR nightmare for him. Which Vince will you get on any given day? The one who says on video he didn't sign a contract or the one who sends a statement saying he did but is competing in the Mr. Olympia. The guy has a right to do whatever he wants but seriously get with someone and get your story straight and stop complaining about being a broke ass bodybuilder and changing your stories.
yeah, he sounds like a pretty confused guy who still could end up on the NOC stage, depending on how heavy his wallet is that week and what is being promised to him. Now I have to wonder how insane it would be if Vince blew off the N Americans and showed up at the NOC lol... wishful thinking perhaps, but that'd be a heck of a story.
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So why are those guys still winning?
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Vince clowned himself on this whole situation. He said on video that he didn't sign anything - now says in a statement that he signed a contract.
If you're a supplement company do you really want this guy promoting your product?
Yes.
And if you're a promoter, you want him competing in or guest posing at your show.
And if you're federation, then you want him as a member.
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That group of nobodies is way more marketable than the top 5 at any IFBB show.
No one is 'marketing' anyone (with the exception of the Craig & Kelly profiteers).
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240 isn't blowing smoke here - the growth of Univision in this country is rock-solid evidence to back up his claims about how products are marketed to specific groups.
Having said that, what he's arguing with you guys about has NO relevanace to the current, past, of (near) future state of IFBB bodybuilding.
Kim Lyons (yes, the same one who lives with Gunther) is going to co-host one of NBC's most popular shows this fall, "Biggest Loser". She's replacing Jillian Michaels who used that show to become pretty much a household name in the U.S.
Yet, when it was announced in TV Guide that she'd been selected, there was no mention at all of the IFBB. In fact, the article stated only that she was a GALAXY 'fitness pro'. Does Galaxy even exist anymore?
Will the IFBB find a way to capitalize on her instant reality show stardom? Doubtful.
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Yes I will agree with 240 here also, not necessarily about PDI guys but there is no suprise about using certain native factors to bring products to the market. Anybody who disagrees with that is likely simple arguing for the sake of it.
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240 your logic with the "people want things they can relate to" is fucking bullshit. FACT Bob Sapp is a major star in asia yet he is a African American, Gunter is very popular here yet he is German, Arnold was the most popular BBer in his time (world wide) yet he was Austrian, American movie stars (A-List stars) do lots of comericals in Japan but almost never in the U.S.. I could go on with more but i think this makes my point. A national hero (ex. Samir Bannout) is one thing but to take the look of someone and translate that into populatrity is retarded.
The reason US stars do commercials in Japan is because they get paid outrageous amount of dough when no way in hell would they get even close to that here. I know several guys who have done commercials in Japan for literally a cash payment of one million dollars. Chuck Norris does commercials there all the time. IN fact if I remeber right he did a commerical for Scarab Race Boats there for a million plus a boat. Roger Clemens has done a few commercials over there. So has my old friend Cy Young award winner Mike Scott. The japanese defntiely know how to pay.
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I respect your opinion. Turn on the Lifetime channel. You'll see frumpy white women in the Sears commercials. Turn on BET. You'll see trendy black youths in the McD commercial. I didn't make this up. Marketers choose models and actors which portray the ideal they are trying to sell. Of course you'll have stars that transcend this mold, that go BEYOND racial and socioeconomical lines- and THEY ARE THE BIG STARS of their sport/realm. Michael Jordan. Eminem. They crossover existing lines.
But all things equal, a white man is more likely to buy a magazine with a white man on the cover than any other race. A black man is more likely to purchase a magazine with a black man on the cover over any other race. Of course, we're all more likely to purchase a magazine cover with a hot girl on the cover...
Are you sure you have an MBA????
That's the most racist and incorrect logic I've ever heard. When I shop for magazines, I pick up MD whether it has Branch Warren or David Henry on it. People buy magazines with subjects that relate to them, not who's on the cover.
Sigh...... ::)
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Are you sure you have an MBA????
That's the most racist and incorrect logic I've ever heard. When I shop for magazines, I pick up MD whether it has Branch Warren or David Henry on it. People buy magazines with subjects that relate to them, not who's on the cover.
Sigh...... ::)
Don't the reaser of Playboy that. Pamela Anderson when she is on the cover outsells every issue prior. Also when Sports Illustrated puts out their Swimsuit issue and tghe cover has the hottest chicks aroudn that issue too out sells all others. Same with when they put hotties on Flex or M&F. Same with when they put Arnold on the cover of M&F. Sorry but the cover in 100% the most imporatnat thing about a magazine. It is what people see first on the stand.
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That's the most racist and incorrect logic I've ever heard.
Racist??????Are you kidding me??? Not that Im a big fan of watching "Soul Train", but I have watched it, and Vince Im sure you get all your dance moves from the show....But EVERY single commerical has black actors....I mean every one of them. All the McDonalds commercials they show during that segment are ones they have made with black actors. They show tons of commericals selling hair products for blacks....all black actors...selling stuff like Soul Glow.
It has nothing to do with being a racist. They find out who their target audience is and market items that interests them.
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Don't the reaser of that. Pamela Anderson when she is on the cover outsells every issue prior. Also when Sports Illustrated puts out their Swimsuit issue and tghe cover has the hottest chicks aroudn that issue too out sells all others. Same with when they put hotties on Flex or M&F. Same with when they put Arnold on the cover of M&F. Sorry but the cover in 100% the most imporatnat thing about a magazine. It is what people see first on the stand.
ditto
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That's the most racist and incorrect logic I've ever heard. When I shop for magazines, I pick up MD whether it has Branch Warren or David Henry on it. People buy magazines with subjects that relate to them, not who's on the cover.
I won't even address the fact that I've already classified you as an educated buyer (which puts you in a genre that transcends any labels) or that demographic research is used extensively when selecting marketing approaches.
I will address the fact that "THIS is the most racist and incorrect logic" you've "ever heard". You're 30 years old, you live in the US, and you've worked in the corrections system. And THIS - a de facto marketing practice - is the single most racist and incorrect logic you've ever witnessed?
Dude, stop being a drama queen and read a few books about market segmentation. If you don't believe that socioeconomic, race, and gender play a major part in addition to prospect interests, needs, and goals, then, well...
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In bodybuilding you have to market good bodybuilders. PDI now has one. That won't make for much of a contest. It'll be like Priest guest posing at a state-level NPC show.
As for Europe, the IFBB has 4 new shows there this year. Ronnie Coleman will be competing in 3 of them. Bodybuilding fans won't be buying a ticket to see their own mediocre or awful countrymen compete in a PDI show if they can see Coleman compete on the Euro Tour against other IFBB pro's, very possibly for the last time. Bodybuilding fans want to see the best bodybuilders. They really don't care much about nationalism.
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As for Europe, the IFBB has 4 new shows there this year. Ronnie Coleman will be competing in 3 of them.
that is actually incredible news. What 3 shows is Coleman doing?
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that is actually incredible news. What 3 shows is Coleman doing?
What's incredible about it?
He did the last tour in 2004 too.
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What's incredible about it?
He did the last tour in 2004 too.
that's pretty exciting news. That would likely signify he plans on competing for 10 (who O champ wants to end their reign overseas?). Also, with the gut mandate and a little luck, maybe someone will knock him off ala 2002.
What 3 shows is Coleman committed to doing?
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I won't even address the fact that I've already classified you as an educated buyer (which puts you in a genre that transcends any labels) or that demographic research is used extensively when selecting marketing approaches.
I will address the fact that "THIS is the most racist and incorrect logic" you've "ever heard". You're 30 years old, you live in the US, and you've worked in the corrections system. And THIS - a de facto marketing practice - is the single most racist and incorrect logic you've ever witnessed?
Dude, stop being a drama queen and read a few books about market segmentation. If you don't believe that socioeconomic, race, and gender play a major part in addition to prospect interests, needs, and goals, then, well...
Maybe for TV shows but not magazines which is what I'm referring to. I don't think anyone is influenced as far as that goes unless its Playboy or something. Generally people already know what magazine they are going to get and its usually not based on who's on the front cover. Its based on subject of the magazine generally.
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Maybe for TV shows but not magazines which is what I'm referring to. I don't think anyone is influenced as far as that goes unless its or something. Generally people already know what magazine they are going to get and its usually not based on who's on the front cover. Its based on subject of the magazine generally.
going to have to disagree with you on that as well. Magazine companies want the best looking cover they can get....the whole idea behind it is that when you are strolling through the grocery store....their mag will catch your eye, and make you want to pick it up and buy it. They are trying to reach the people who arent already subscribers....how do they do that?? VISUAL
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going to have to disagree with you on that as well. Magazine companies want the best looking cover they can get....the whole idea behind it is that when you are strolling through the grocery store....their mag will catch your eye, and make you want to pick it up and buy it. They are trying to reach the people who arent already subscribers....how do they do that?? VISUAL
Exactly. And why the hell are we debating with Vince who has proven day in and day out he basically talks out of his ass and no one listens. I hope we didn't get some kind of diease from Vince just by debating him on this. He knows nothing. Here's another title you can give yourself Vince since you have proven how much you know about magazines
MEP Master Editor and Pubisher
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Maybe for TV shows but not magazines which is what I'm referring to. I don't think anyone is influenced as far as that goes unless its Playboy or something. Generally people already know what magazine they are going to get and its usually not based on who's on the front cover. Its based on subject of the magazine generally.
I hear this limited edition issue didn't do too well.............
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I hear this limited edition issue didn't do too well.............
OMG, I love getbig! LMAO!! ;D
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I hear this limited edition issue didn't do too well.............
Awesome Gordo