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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Training Q&A => Topic started by: texasRUSH on July 20, 2006, 07:47:03 AM
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seriously ???
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I assume you mean total weight?? ive never seen someone do more than 5 plates a side....so i would say that is big, ......but machines differ with ease, also the foot placing can help or hurt.
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only 5 plates a side on a hack squat? ??? :-\
either you go to the ymca to workout or you haven't been to a working gym in awhile. i've been doing working sets with 7 plates per side. I've never really seen anyone but me and some newer members use it. So i was curious as to what a huge one would consist of? makes my ass and quads burn like wild fire but feels great on my lower back.
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Hopefully TexR means BB Hacks:.....This is just a reference point, not in any way suggesting anything out of the ordinary, only the mean average. I (personal view) think that double a persons bwt could be a general gage of the average BB Hack Squat (for reps). This can also be a gage for the DL, to a certain point. Most anyone should, at least, be using around the same weight as their regular squat. A 200lb man than would equal a 400lb full Hack Squat for 8-12 reps. Of course lots of guy's can go way above this weight in regular workouts. As a personal reference (and nothing else) I'm 6'2, 238lbs (as of monday) and used 535lbs for 6-7 reps in a recent workout, so it's a little above double bwt. The BB Hack is one of my favorite exercises, prefer it over the squat as a leg developer.
There is that theory, that more weight can be lifted when that weight is positioned below the waist/hip line, rather than when above it. I tend to agree. The bar for the squat is held high up on the body (neck/shoulders) futher away from the ground. The bar for the BB Hack, DL, hip lift, Jefferson, etc is started closer to the ground. There seems to be better point of leverage/power produced (amoung other things) when the bar travels a shorter distance from ground zero. There are exceptions to this idea, as in everything else, of course. Good Luck.
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only 5 plates a side on a hack squat? ??? :-\
either you go to the ymca to workout or you haven't been to a working gym in awhile. i've been doing working sets with 7 plates per side. I've never really seen anyone but me and some newer members use it. So i was curious as to what a huge one would consist of? makes my ass and quads burn like wild fire but feels great on my lower back.
it depends, on the Flex Fitness one that a lot of gyms have i can do 6 plates rock bottom for a few but i consider that an easy machine, the Cybex hack is A LOT harder, 3 plates on that one feels like 5 or 6 on most others.
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Hopefully TexR means BB Hacks:.....This is just a reference point, not in any way suggesting anything out of the ordinary, only the mean average. I (personal view) think that double a persons bwt could be a general gage of the average BB Hack Squat (for reps). This can also be a gage for the DL, to a certain point. Most anyone should, at least, be using around the same weight as their regular squat. A 200lb man than would equal a 400lb full Hack Squat for 8-12 reps. Of course lots of guy's can go way above this weight in regular workouts. As a personal reference (and nothing else) I'm 6'2, 238lbs (as of monday) and used 535lbs for 6-7 reps in a recent workout, so it's a little above double bwt. The BB Hack is one of my favorite exercises, prefer it over the squat as a leg developer.
There is that theory, that more weight can be lifted when that weight is positioned below the waist/hip line, rather than when above it. I tend to agree. The bar for the squat is held high up on the body (neck/shoulders) futher away from the ground. The bar for the BB Hack, DL, hip lift, Jefferson, etc is started closer to the ground. There seems to be better point of leverage/power produced (amoung other things) when the bar travels a shorter distance from ground zero. There are exceptions to this idea, as in everything else, of course. Good Luck.
i'm going to have to call bullshit on your claims.
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There is that theory, that more weight can be lifted when that weight is positioned below the waist/hip line, rather than when above it. I tend to agree. The bar for the squat is held high up on the body (neck/shoulders) futher away from the ground. The bar for the BB Hack, DL, hip lift, Jefferson, etc is started closer to the ground. There seems to be better point of leverage/power produced (amoung other things) when the bar travels a shorter distance from ground zero. There are exceptions to this idea, as in everything else, of course. Good Luck
i have noticed this! hacks are much easier than regular squats and allow me to move more weight and focus on my muscle groups instead of my back.
and why call bullshit sarcasm? on what part of his statement? doesn't seem too out of proportion to me. ???
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it's a hammer strength one btw....it looks like a leg press only you do it in reverse...does that help?
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As usual, JPM blathers on and on to the extent that you forget what the point was supposed to be.
Tere are big variances between machines. There's an equally wide variance between machines and free weights, which renders JPM's ratios useless. Therefore, getting hung up on what a good weight should be completely misses the point, which is whether you're getting a good burn in the right area, and can progressively increase the amount of weight/intensity used over time.
Well-designed hack machines are far better than BB hacks.
Sorry, should I ramble for another few paragraphs to try to show how much i know?
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Sorry, should I ramble for another few paragraphs to try to show how much i know?
this is get big...i thought that's what we do :D
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hahahahaah
Now wait for JPM's latest meltdown..I've "arrived" on getbig and have JPM as my stalker. ;D
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Sarcasm: OK
Good Luck.
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i can hit 10 rock bottom reps on the cybex hack sled with 6 plates per side...this is after doing back squats.
8)
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so i'm right up there with the rest of you...
dammit..means i gotta work harder ;)
i didnt know if it should've been as easy as the leg press is...so i had to come in here and start another topic.
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Hopefully TexR means BB Hacks:.....This is just a reference point, not in any way suggesting anything out of the ordinary, only the mean average. I (personal view) think that double a persons bwt could be a general gage of the average BB Hack Squat (for reps). This can also be a gage for the DL, to a certain point. Most anyone should, at least, be using around the same weight as their regular squat. A 200lb man than would equal a 400lb full Hack Squat for 8-12 reps. Of course lots of guy's can go way above this weight in regular workouts. As a personal reference (and nothing else) I'm 6'2, 238lbs (as of monday) and used 535lbs for 6-7 reps in a recent workout, so it's a little above double bwt. The BB Hack is one of my favorite exercises, prefer it over the squat as a leg developer.
There is that theory, that more weight can be lifted when that weight is positioned below the waist/hip line, rather than when above it. I tend to agree. The bar for the squat is held high up on the body (neck/shoulders) futher away from the ground. The bar for the BB Hack, DL, hip lift, Jefferson, etc is started closer to the ground. There seems to be better point of leverage/power produced (amoung other things) when the bar travels a shorter distance from ground zero. There are exceptions to this idea, as in everything else, of course. Good Luck.
Are you talking about barbell hack squats? 535 lb is insanely heavy for that lift.
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wth is a barbell hack squat? ???
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BB Hacks: I understand this is mainly a BB'ing site and not a power BB'ing or PL'ing site. Most people here have a passion for training to encourage muscle size and strength. And to do this they follow the general rules of training, either at a commerical gym or at home. And they pretty much read the same BB'ing mag and watch the Pro workout videos and try to gain more information from those. Now just about every commerical gym has it's Big Fish in a small pond types. Guy's who stand above the rest in size and power. This is the usual way strength and development is gage, on a personal level, by most people who come to this site. But we must keep in mind that they are a Big Fish in a small pond.
These is another element of lifting, where weights that may be unbelieveabe to most people, who come to this site, are used on a regular bases in normal workouts, by men with very serious intent. Their not sweept away by perfect form, full ROM , etc. They want to get huge and strong beyond belief. They do not want to look pretty like a lot of BB'er do. They want the look of raw power and mass, where they really do have to walk sideways through a normal size door. Those Big Fish from the commerical gyms would have a hard time matching most of the weight used in some workouts. Let's just say that I workout in such an environent. A converted three car garage, with limited memership, that has all the heavy equipment. Three power racks, three 9ft lifting bars, thick handled BB/DB, extra reinforced bench's (including inclines/dipping bars) & squat 'A' frame, etc.
Given all this, a 535 BB Hack is not out of the question, when I and a few other guy's match or lift more than that in regular workouts. I know a couple of high school kids who handle over 400lbs in training with BB Hacks. I've done 800lb+ for partials on a power rack, so it's not all that. People here do not understand how strong or massive they could be until they begin training that way. I'm not that large compaired to some of the guy's I train with (wide body...6'2, 238...lean and holding a 36" ,ab showing, waist. But a lot of my lifts are on par with theirs. The thing is, most people here have not be exposed to some of the heavy duty, take no prisoner's, style gym's. True BB'ing & lifting should not be judged by most of the commerical spa's or fitness centers. Good Luck.
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The thing is, most people here have not be exposed to some of the heavy duty, take no prisoner's, style gym's. True BB'ing & lifting should not be judged by most of the commerical spa's or fitness centers. Good Luck.
qouted for truth right there! you have triple digits on anything in the current gym i workout in and people are just awestruck and want to know what your current cycle is.
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I'd rather walk out of the gym with monster thinghs and perfect form, than focus on the weight I use.
I rarely see people going rock bottom, even those who know better do such.
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BB Hacks: I understand this is mainly a BB'ing site and not a power BB'ing or PL'ing site. Most people here have a passion for training to encourage muscle size and strength. And to do this they follow the general rules of training, either at a commerical gym or at home.
So you wrote THREE fuckin paragraphs and didnt explain what a bb hack squat was? iunno maybe you explained somewhere at the bottom, but quite frankly, im not gonna read that much.
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only 5 plates a side on a hack squat? ??? :-\
either you go to the ymca to workout or you haven't been to a working gym in awhile. i've been doing working sets with 7 plates per side. I've never really seen anyone but me and some newer members use it. So i was curious as to what a huge one would consist of? makes my ass and quads burn like wild fire but feels great on my lower back.
it depends, on the Flex Fitness one that a lot of gyms have i can do 6 plates rock bottom for a few but i consider that an easy machine, the Cybex hack is A LOT harder, 3 plates on that one feels like 5 or 6 on most others.
the machine at my gym must be the cybex...i do 2 plates a side then on my last set do 2 plates and a quarter for about 8 reps...which is tough as a mother fucker. most people just use the led, or a really light weight plate....even the bigger guys......... i can guarantee that no one can rep 7 pltes a side on it. the guy i saw who did 5 plates a side was like 5-10 350 just absolutely insanely large guy. (a powerlifter.......sort of like bigbadwolfe in how he looked)
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the machine at my gym must be the cybex
you go to the gym?
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the machine at my gym must be the cybex...i do 2 plates a side then on my last set do 2 plates and a quarter for about 8 reps...which is tough as a mother fucker. most people just use the led, or a really light weight plate....even the bigger guys......... i can guarantee that no one can rep 7 pltes a side on it. the guy i saw who did 5 plates a side was like 5-10 350 just absolutely insanely large guy. (a powerlifter.......sort of like bigbadwolfe in how he looked)
It did sound damm funny to me tho since at 5'11 160lbs i was hacking 4 plates a side lol!
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you go to the gym?
do you?
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As usual, JPM blathers on and on to the extent that you forget what the point was supposed to be.
Tere are big variances between machines. There's an equally wide variance between machines and free weights, which renders JPM's ratios useless. Therefore, getting hung up on what a good weight should be completely misses the point, which is whether you're getting a good burn in the right area, and can progressively increase the amount of weight/intensity used over time.
Well-designed hack machines are far better than BB hacks.
Sorry, should I ramble for another few paragraphs to try to show how much i know?
excellent points... hacks squat machines like any other vary tremendously... it really depends on the angle
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The whole rational being that I was refering to Barbell Hack Squat's. The subject of anything else was not brought up by me. Never explored any ratio difference concerning machines, angles, better design, etc because I did not mention Hack machines (who's ever brand/style) at all. Again, for the English challenged, it was the BARBELL HACK SQUAT that was the subject of my thought. The Pumpster again is confused or so bent on making someone else look bad that he (with ease) makes a fool of himself. Too bad, I'm sure he can be a plesant enought little chap if he really want's to be. As a act of kindness I might suggest he read "Body Building For Dummie's... 101".
If Beener get's so exhausted by a little reading than let me help him. Think of the BB Hack Squat as somewhat like a reverse Dead Lift, where the Olympic (usually) bar is resting on the floor, behind the lifter. More leg and less lower back is involved in the lift. Because the bar is more inline with the the body that the regular DL . Also the upper back and traps are involved with the exercise, similar to the regular DL. With best wishes, Good Luck.
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do you?
its been tough the last week working 15 hr days, you try it
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its been tough the last week working 15 hr days, you try it
I have been. job number 1 for 8.5 then job number 2 for 4.5. plus the 1.5 hour workout.
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haha i only work two days a week and 7 hours a day when i do....but yes, i do work out.
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Are barbell hack squats as effective as regular squats? I don't see why they shouldn't be.