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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Armageddon on July 23, 2006, 11:46:55 PM
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Lee ??
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Lee has stated repeatedly that he will.
perhaps if he wins, it will pave the way for a dozen other guys to do both PDI and IFBB shows. Especially for the Euro guys, who could compete in their own backyards and make a little change, where they usually finish out of the $ at ifbb shows.
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I hope he does that if thats the case. The IFBB only have THEMSELVES to blame as they have continuously fucked up and sacrificed top class BBers for the sake of a fat man with no calves. OK Ronnie is the best guy out there, but allowing him to dominate with such a distended stomach has set a standard which the aesthetic guys are fed up with. The mandate didnt exactly do anything except make Ruhl look shitty. It was like he was told to go to a fancy dress party in a costume onlt to find out he was the only one that did.
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Is there any kind of legal agreement between pro's and the IFBB?
Since the IFBB is a private company that have no legal obligations to the pro's I see no legal base for his suit.Just Lee trying to get rich off uncle Weider.
What will be his legal base? I went to the competition so this PRIVATE owned business didn't liked me helping the competition.So they used their freedom to not allow me to compete at their privately owned and paid competitions.....yeah... .that sounds good... ::)
Weider will come to court with a dozen lawyers ,each worth Lee's whole life savings.It hopless actions by a hopeless man.
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Here is an idea. Get the AAU to sanction the NOC.
from the 1982 settlement between the NPC and the AAU:
...and James Manion agree to continue their state policy of not imposing any sanctions upon or otherwise penalizing or punishing or threatening to impose any sanctions upon (or otherwise penalizing or interfering in any way with any persons on account of that persons' participation in any physique contest sanctioned by the Amateur Athletic Union of the United States, Inc.)
just a thought.
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Why would anyone sue the IFBB?
Remember, they're a "non-profit organization". ::)
(although a lawsuit would be somewhat interesting in that someone might actually learn the answer to the question of where all the money goes)
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IFBB WANNA B you once again show that your an idiot.Enough said.You post will just be ignored you can't show a pic or use your real name so don't waste our time and yours.
The IFBB or NPC having to open it's books would be the end of it all and they know that.
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You guys are missing the big picture here.
You guys talk about having the ability to do both the PDI & IFBB so they can make a little more money. If the IFBB does allow PDI guys to compete do you really think they will be placed high enough to make money?
I am a Pro PDI guy but lets be realistic here.....
2 words for ya..."Black Balled"!!!!!!
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Once the legal system becomes involved, the IFBB is up shit creek. It's easy for the atheltes rep to say "the ifbb will fight for its right to compete"... it's another thing when money does some strange things...
And they cannot blackball everybody. If they knock lee down 5 spaces, they're going to look like they're scared of the PDI. And once ten, twenty guys go - are they going to knock EVERYBODY down? LOL... or will they give a pelletier 1st place for his loyalty and everyone else 8th? I'm sure some of our history buffs can think of some examples of a guy blazing a new trail, getting all these threats, then 2 years later, everyone does it and all is forgotten... too early for me to think that much tho!
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Good Point but I still think my thought is that of the IFBB..
There is enough talent to fill these guys places,
we blackball Lee and push Phil Heath
We blackball X, we push Luke Wood
We blackball Y, we push David Henry
and the list continues
Best example is Aaron Baker.....IMO one of the most looked over guys out there, after the WBF guy never had a chance.
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IFBB WANNA B you once again show that your an idiot.Enough said.You post will just be ignored you can't show a pic or use your real name so don't waste our time and yours.
The IFBB or NPC having to open it's books would be the end of it all and they know that.
Wow a great reply that showed once again that you arent the brightest fellow out there.What does me not posting a picture since I dont like stalkers in a gay site like this having them go to do with you trying to get rich off the IFBB?
First I doubt they will have to open the books since your case wont make it to court.
Second,Im sure thier books are fine.They are "abit" more inteligent then you.You make it sound as if they are doing something illegal by arranging BB shows... ::)
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Wow a great reply that showed once again that you arent the brightest fellow out there.What does me not posting a picture since I dont like stalkers in a gay site like this having them go to do with you trying to get rich off the IFBB?
First I doubt they will have to open the books since your case wont make it to court.
Second,Im sure thier books are fine.They are "abit" more inteligent then you.You make it sound as if they are doing something illegal by arranging BB shows... ::)
IFBBwannaB is just stressed cause he lives in Israel and he has to run from missles...
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After word gets around that Lee's first-place check from the Night of Champions bounced, we will hear no more talk of IFBB pros defecting.
As for Lee's punishment: the IFBB, despite having an essentially iron-clad contractual justification for banning him, may decide to save the legal fees and simply pass on some "unofficial judging criteria" - i.e. deduct points for large forearms, height below 5' 6", Australian accents...
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IFBBwannaB is just stressed cause he lives in Israel and he has to run from missles...
Original AND funny! ::)
Did you think of that by yourself or had a brainstorm with Lee aka "as smart as Im tall" ?
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Once the legal system becomes involved, the IFBB is up shit creek. It's easy for the atheltes rep to say "the ifbb will fight for its right to compete"... it's another thing when money does some strange things...
And they cannot blackball everybody. If they knock lee down 5 spaces, they're going to look like they're scared of the PDI. And once ten, twenty guys go - are they going to knock EVERYBODY down? LOL... or will they give a pelletier 1st place for his loyalty and everyone else 8th? I'm sure some of our history buffs can think of some examples of a guy blazing a new trail, getting all these threats, then 2 years later, everyone does it and all is forgotten... too early for me to think that much tho!
Jackie Robinson and Curt Flood come to mind. Very brave stances that came with staggerigly high personal costs, especially for Jackie. :'(
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Good Point but I still think my thought is that of the IFBB..
There is enough talent to fill these guys places,
we blackball Lee and push Phil Heath
We blackball X, we push Luke Wood
We blackball Y, we push David Henry
and the list continues
Best example is Aaron Baker.....IMO one of the most looked over guys out there, after the WBF guy never had a chance.
There are many who feel that he got shafted in 1995, after two very close losses to a sub-par Flex Wheeler. What I don't understand is, if there were any blackballing, why Baker would be a victim of it. Unlike many of the WBF guys, the "Dark Angel" never competed in the IFBB prior to joining the WBF. The same goes for Jim Quinn and Troy Zuccolotto.
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Very true. Quinn won the North Americans which is an IFBB show (first true mass monster in my opinion)
Either way they had their Pro Cards and were blackballed!
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Baker didn't get "blackballed" ...he got a shit decision IMO, apparently the judges decision was different.
If they really wanted to screw him, or blackball him...they would've placed him 10th or 15th, not been comparing him against Flex for the win.
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it's another thing when money does some strange things...
Yep - I'd be interested in seeing what the feds would come up with if they decided to track that little money trail into Canada.
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I doubt the feds will find anything.Remember that Weider made his money mostly of the magazines.
The IFBB as an organization dosent make that much.Some pro's and show fee's with a few sponsers.
You guys make it sound as if the IFBB is Al Qaida or something.This shit wont make it to court,a judge will hopefuly kick this shity case out.
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I doubt the feds will find anything.Remember that Weider made his money mostly of the magazines.
The IFBB as an organization dosent make that much.Some pro's and show fee's with a few sponsers.
You guys make it sound as if the IFBB is Al Qaida or something.This shit wont make it to court,a judge will hopefuly kick this shity case out.
See now this is where you don't know much. The IFBB is raking in $600,000+ a year. From santion fees, member dues, clothing sales etc. They get close to $400,000 just for the Olympia (at east that what Wayne was paying them). If the IRS went in and did a deep audit there would be problems. I had dinner back in 2001 with 3 guys who at the time knew EVERYTHING about the IFBB, Manion and Weiders. They have been with the IFBB and NPC since day one. The stories they were telling were incredible. Of course I was eating so most of it I only caught parts of. But when you start adding up all the shows they sanction worldwide and the unreported clothing sales it adds up. And this is tax-free which it equates to over a million dollars.
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I doubt the feds will find anything.Remember that Weider made his money mostly of the magazines.
The IFBB as an organization dosent make that much.Some pro's and show fee's with a few sponsers.
You guys make it sound as if the IFBB is Al Qaida or something.This shit wont make it to court,a judge will hopefuly kick this shity case out.
ANYONE who is in the know will either not touch the quesiton, or laugh out loud at it.
Money does some magical things when it comes to the IFBB... ;)
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Baker didn't get "blackballed" ...he got a shit decision IMO, apparently the judges decision was different.
If they really wanted to screw him, or blackball him...they would've placed him 10th or 15th, not been comparing him against Flex for the win.
Thank you for being honest!
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See now this is where you don't know much. The IFBB is raking in $600,000+ a year. From santion fees, member dues, clothing sales etc. They get close to $400,000 just for the Olympia (at east that what Wayne was paying them). If the IRS went in and did a deep audit there would be problems. I had dinner back in 2001 with 3 guys who at the time knew EVERYTHING about the IFBB, Manion and Weiders. They have been with the IFBB and NPC since day one. The stories they were telling were incredible. Of course I was eating so most of it I only caught parts of. But when you start adding up all the shows they sanction worldwide and the unreported clothing sales it adds up. And this is tax-free which it equates to over a million dollars.
Good stuff, Keith - I'm going to start a new thread, k?
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See now this is where you don't know much. The IFBB is raking in $600,000+ a year. From santion fees, member dues, clothing sales etc. They get close to $400,000 just for the Olympia (at east that what Wayne was paying them). If the IRS went in and did a deep audit there would be problems. I had dinner back in 2001 with 3 guys who at the time knew EVERYTHING about the IFBB, Manion and Weiders. They have been with the IFBB and NPC since day one. The stories they were telling were incredible. Of course I was eating so most of it I only caught parts of. But when you start adding up all the shows they sanction worldwide and the unreported clothing sales it adds up. And this is tax-free which it equates to over a million dollars.
600K is big money to you? Weider have made milions and milions from his magazines.
And you forgot another fact,Lee case will be discrimination.There will be no legal right to touch thier books because of that trial.
You cant go to court and say..yeah...because I was at the PDI Im getting fucked...ohh and BTW they dont pay tax...dosent work that way.
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We hate tax cheats here in this country.
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Here is an idea. Get the AAU to sanction the NOC.
from the 1982 settlement between the NPC and the AAU:
just a thought.
I help run a small AAU show here in WI and we were told that the show is not going to be an AAU sanctioned event because they are in a legal battle between a guy that failed a drug test at a show of theirs and sued. They told us for the foreseeable future there would be no BB shows sanctioned by them. At least until the court case is settled.
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I help run a small AAU show here in WI and we were told that the show is not going to be an AAU sanctioned event because they are in a legal battle between a guy that failed a drug test at a show of theirs and sued. They told us for the foreseeable future there would be no BB shows sanctioned by them. At least until the court case is settled.
your story would have made sense 7 years ago. but the AAU washed its hands of bodybuilding in 1999
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We hate tax cheats here in this country.
Do you remember that the Weider's got a LONG line of pepole between them and the cash transactions.It will be hard to get them.And I doubt they will mess with tax evasion for such small sums.
They make many many times more from the magazines.
And at such low sums cant you settle it with a fine and maybe some parole? Not to mention...where is the probable cause to check the books?
Here is what gonna happen.
Lee and the Weider's go into court.
Judge:*talking to himself: wtf is that midget with the tattoo on his face?! hey ain't that my buddy Joe?*
Lee 2 cent lawyer:I would like to say my client have been discriminated because he is helping the competition.
Judge:HM...so? does he expect rewards for it?
Lee:BTW judge...they evade tax's!!
Weider dozen million dollar lawyers: irrelevant,and while on the subject of irrelevant matters:Mr.Priest have admitted using illegal drugs many times,here it is documented.
Judge:gets this midget clown out of my face before I arrest him for possesion and distributing of illegal drugs.
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IFBB WANNA B you once again show that your an idiot.Enough said.You post will just be ignored you can't show a pic or use your real name so don't waste our time and yours.
The IFBB or NPC having to open it's books would be the end of it all and they know that.
you're
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Not to mention...where is the probable cause to check the books?
LOL
You've been watching too much Law & Order.
American non-profits are required to distribute their financial reports to their Boards of Directors and to their membership on an annual basis.
They must also make these reports available for public review upon request.
My argument is that a so-called Canadian non-profit doing business in the U.S. should be held to the same accountability standards as any American non-profit.
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Do you remember that the Weider's got a LONG line of pepole between them and the cash transactions.It will be hard to get them.And I doubt they will mess with tax evasion for such small sums.
They make many many times more from the magazines.
And at such low sums cant you settle it with a fine and maybe some parole? Not to mention...where is the probable cause to check the books?
Here is what gonna happen.
Lee and the Weider's go into court.
Judge:*talking to himself: wtf is that midget with the tattoo on his face?! hey ain't that my buddy Joe?*
Lee 2 cent lawyer:I would like to say my client have been discriminated because he is helping the competition.
Judge:HM...so? does he expect rewards for it?
Lee:BTW judge...they evade tax's!!
Weider dozen million dollar lawyers: irrelevant,and while on the subject of irrelevant matters:Mr.Priest have admitted using illegal drugs many times,here it is documented.
Judge:gets this midget clown out of my face before I arrest him for possesion and distributing of illegal drugs.
Yes admitted it and they still let me compete And according to the IFBB and weiders rules that is an o no but as long as they make money off their athletes they don't care.I will bring a doctor to the Olympia and see which athletes would like to give blood or urine for smaple.Cause according to their rules it's a no no.Just like competing in a different organization.Oh boy here we go.......
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Yes admitted it and they still let me compete And according to the IFBB and weiders rules that is an o no but as long as they make money off their athletes they don't care.I will bring a doctor to the Olympia and see which athletes would like to give blood or urine for smaple.Cause according to their rules it's a no no.Just like competing in a different organization.Oh boy here we go.......
stop crying
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Oh i am not crying believe me i am very happy where i am.
but thanks for caring.
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Oh i am not crying believe me i am very happy where i am.
but thanks for caring.
have fun with the pdi
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Yes admitted it and they still let me compete And according to the IFBB and weiders rules that is an o no but as long as they make money off their athletes they don't care.I will bring a doctor to the Olympia and see which athletes would like to give blood or urine for smaple.Cause according to their rules it's a no no.Just like competing in a different organization.Oh boy here we go.......
Wait a minute,if you are such a beliver in the PDI and hate the IFBB why do you want to go back there?
You obviously dont make your living off those middle of the pack placings,whats the idea?
If you think that draging the Weiders into court will be a day in the park you will have a huge suprise.
Not to mention that whatever the outcome will be ,they will bury your competetive life and sponsership deals.
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600K is big money to you? Weider have made milions and milions from his magazines.
And you forgot another fact,Lee case will be discrimination.There will be no legal right to touch thier books because of that trial.
You cant go to court and say..yeah...because I was at the PDI Im getting fucked...ohh and BTW they dont pay tax...dosent work that way.
$600,000 is big money to just about anyone. That is well over a miilion dollars post tax. And this is free and clear money. You can do allot with money like this. In addition, Manion pays for nothign when he travels and takes advantage of whoever is flying him in which is evident at the Olympa. SO being able to live for free basically and on top of that get some good cash, yes $600,000 is allot to me. Even when I had allot of money $600,000 was allot to me. And I am pretty certain the IRS does not need a reason to audit. They basically pick and choose. And all it would take is a few emails and letter ad phone calls putting a bug in an agents ear and who knows, someone might be knocking at the door. All I know is that the prize money sucks for BB's but the IFBB, Manion and others (mostly his family) are doing very very well.
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Do you remember that the Weider's got a LONG line of pepole between them and the cash transactions.It will be hard to get them.And I doubt they will mess with tax evasion for such small sums.
They make many many times more from the magazines.
And at such low sums cant you settle it with a fine and maybe some parole? Not to mention...where is the probable cause to check the books?
Here is what gonna happen.
Lee and the Weider's go into court.
Judge:*talking to himself: wtf is that midget with the tattoo on his face?! hey ain't that my buddy Joe?*
Lee 2 cent lawyer:I would like to say my client have been discriminated because he is helping the competition.
Judge:HM...so? does he expect rewards for it?
Lee:BTW judge...they evade tax's!!
Weider dozen million dollar lawyers: irrelevant,and while on the subject of irrelevant matters:Mr.Priest have admitted using illegal drugs many times,here it is documented.
Judge:gets this midget clown out of my face before I arrest him for possesion and distributing of illegal drugs.
Or this could be what happens
Lee and the Weider's go into court;
The Baliff asks everyone to stand as the judge walks in. The door opens and everyone in the court sees a small head walking out the chamber doors and sit at the judges chair. Lee loks at his attorney and says who is that kid? His attorney whispers to him, "that's the judge, he is also a jockey".
Judge:*talking to himself: wtf is this old man and still-in-the-closet homo doing in court with my idol Lee.?! hey Lee loed that last DVD. Thanks for the tickets to the NOC.
IFBB 2 cent lawyer: I would like to say my client has been ripping-off I mean supporting Bodybuilding for many years your honor. They love bodybuilders I mean bodybuilding. Sorry your honor, my client gave me some kind of drink before court to help calm me down. He said it would make me feel really good. Anyways your honor my clients are innocent. They have done nothing for bodybuilders in 40 years. It is impossible they would start now. And to have Mr. Priest come in here and say they are paying restricting him from competing in the PDI and if he does he will be suspended is ludacris. Everyone knows Lee won't play the Weider game and that is why he will never win an IFBB show. (Manion and Weider at the same time grab their attorney's coat and drag him back into his chair) as he falls into the chair "that's all judge"
Judge:HM...so? Why are we here. I mean what is happening here. I see a respected and much admired pro BB getting the shaft and not the way most other bodybuilders get it.
Lee:BTW judge...I got you front row tickets. And if you don't want the Olympia tickets sell them on Ebay getting $10 isbetter than nothing.
IFBB 2 cent lawyers: irrelevant,and while on the subject of irrelevant matters:Mr.Priest have admitted using illegal drugs many times,here it is documented in my client little black back with all the sanction fees and t-shirt sales receipts. Opps here is a already filled out judges scoresheet, yo don't need to see that.
Judge:okay I am goig to call this a mistrial. Lee, it is better you stay away from people like this. The have gay tendencies and only like these types of shows hoping to see one of the competitors balls fall out of their speedos. Plus, it appears to me the IFBB is a sinking ship and it's good you are out now. This court is adjorned.