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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Bluto on July 30, 2006, 02:38:41 AM
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pumpster, aka "trainer of champions" yesterday posted this regarding biceps:
"there are some exercises that are better than others for bringing out max. genetic potential that won't be seen or developed through conventional curls."
"-Lying spider curls
-Scott curls using the straight up and down side of the bench AKA seated spider curls
-DB curls lying face-down on a bench"
Now, I trust the authority in training, pumpster, and this has got me worried, I've never seen Ronnie Coleman do any of those exercises, I'm afraid he just won't bring out his maximum genetic potential in those arms!
Another giant when it comes to give out training advice is Groink who had this to say:
"Another thing to remember is you can improve the appearance of a peak by training your brachialis. reverse preachers with your arms hanging off is good."
How can we get those two master minds to train Ronnie for the Olympia? Maybe we can collect enough money to send them both to Texas so they can hook up at Metroflex Gym?
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pumpster's point is valid.
Your comparison is stupid, since at Coleman's level, genetics/pharmaceuticals are of primary importance. Not to mention Coleman HAS, at some point, performed those exercises or at least similar derivatives.
Coleman, guaranteed, has performed spider curls. That is well documented.
He performs high cable curls, which are recommended for accentuating 'peak'.
Besides, Coleman has always stated that biceps development comes naturally to him.
Just because he doesn't need a training program along the lines of pumpster's, on top of his extensive drug regimen, doesn't mean pumpster's guide is silly or irrelevant.
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I wouldn't be surprised if pumpster is correct. I've found some of the best excercises are usually unorthodox. Simply b/c a high profile bodybuilder doesn't use them does not mean they don't work.
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Ronster has the best genetics for bicep development and he has in my mind the hardest work ethic.24 inches baby ;D
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Not to mention Coleman HAS, at some point, performed those exercises or at least similar derivatives.
How do you know?
He performs high cable curls, which are recommended for accentuating 'peak'.
Yeah I'm sure it's done wonders to his peak ::)
Besides, Coleman has always stated that biceps development comes naturally to him.
Just because he doesn't need a training program along the lines of pumpster's, on top of his extensive drug regimen, doesn't mean pumpster's guide is silly or irrelevant.
Just looking out for Ronnie here, think about it, he not reaching his maximum potential... maybe you can join Team Coleman too?
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I wouldn't be surprised if pumpster is correct. I've found some of the best excercises are usually unorthodox. Simply b/c a high profile bodybuilder doesn't use them does not mean they don't work.
Have you tried the reverse lying head down upper spyder curl twist? No? Get to it, it will add 4 inches to your biceps in 3-6 months - guaranteed!
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How do you know?
Combination of his training articles, videos, and seminars.
I will admit, I have no way of knowing if he uses these exercises regularly, although he has at some point, if only for a short trial period.
Yeah I'm sure it's done wonders to his peak ::)
Like I said, genetics / pharmaceuticals are the main factors.
The fact that one exercise would have a minimal impact on the best biceps in bodybuilding doesn't necessarily discredit the merit of the exercise.
pumpster was simply saying that it is NOT a total loss to actually tailor a biceps training program with the intent of accentuating the biceps brachii peak. Will it have a substantial impact? Probably not, nonetheless it will play a role, if only 2nd fiddle to genetics.
Just looking out for Ronnie here, think about it, he not reaching his maximum potential... maybe you can join Team Coleman too?
I am a member of Team Coleman ... although I got sick of contributing to the Yates thread.
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ronnie doesnt need a number of excercises he needs the standard classic straight bar curl. thats it.
it works the whole bicep. bicep is a SMALL muscle group. peak is genetic.
all these fools that think they can make a difference with different angels and standing on the top of their little heads are dilussional.
end of story.
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in fact it's debatable if ronnie even needs ANY exercise for biceps. he probably get enough work as it is with the other excercises he's doing hitting the biceps indirectly
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in fact it's debatable if ronnie even needs ANY exercise for biceps. he probably get enough work as it is with the other excercises he's doing hitting the biceps indirectly
Naturally. A bodybuilder who bent-rows 585 for repetitions will have bigger, better arms than a lifter with identical genetics/drugs/nutrition who doesn't perform bent-rows, even if this man performs a myriad of curls from every angles, rep-range, etc. etc.
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in fact it's debatable if ronnie even needs ANY exercise for biceps. he probably get enough work as it is with the other excercises he's doing hitting the biceps indirectly
Hey now, pumpster has a number of exercises memorized that made a big impact - in the 1950's - I'm sure they will be VERY helpful to Ronnie, if he's going to take the sandow this year ::)
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beckles, arnie, robby, boyer and larry scott all performed concentrations and preachers........ so the people that think the standing barbell curl is the only exercise you need for bis are completely wrong.
Ronnie does db preachers...... look at his training videos and you will see.
Robby has mentioned many times that the concentration curl was his favorite.
Rick Wayne mentioned that after years of doing various curls he decided to stick with concentration curls and not too heavy..... focus on squeezing the bis at the top.
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lmfao @ whoever deleted Bluto's posts that he no longer has 33,333.
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Good arms, rest is shit.