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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: mrsirjojo on August 17, 2006, 12:05:28 PM
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Shawn,
Looking at an interview you gave after the 2001 Olympia (http://www.getbig.com/iview/ray050301.htm), you were pretty pissed that the IFBB didn't follow all of their own rules to the letter and that you were essentially robbed of a second place finish as a result. You were upset that Kevin was allowed to compete at the 11th hour, and that Jay's small challenge to his positive diuretic test was all it took to have drug testing thrown out the window.
Don't you think then, that the IFBB should apply all of its rules now, rather than just some of them? Obviously, I'm talking about Lee here. From your interview, it sounds to me like, if you were the IFBB rep, you would push to have all of the IFBB rules enforced, or none at all, since someone could be arbitrarily screwed (like you were), depending on how the "powers that be" want the rules interpreted on a given day.
And would you, as IFBB rep, also push to remove any ambiguity from the rules i.e., remove any "might be suspended", "could be suspended" references from the rules and have them say "will be suspended"?
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Shawn,
Looking at an interview you gave after the 2001 Olympia (http://www.getbig.com/iview/ray050301.htm), you were pretty pissed that the IFBB didn't follow all of their own rules to the letter and that you were essentially robbed of a second place finish as a result. You were upset that Kevin was allowed to compete at the 11th hour, and that Jay's small challenge to his positive diuretic test was all it took to have drug testing thrown out the window.
Don't you think then, that the IFBB should apply all of its rules now, rather than just some of them? Obviously, I'm talking about Lee here. From your interview, it sounds to me like, if you were the IFBB rep, you would push to have all of the IFBB rules enforced, or none at all, since someone could be arbitrarily screwed (like you were), depending on how the "powers that be" want the rules interpreted on a given day.
And would you, as IFBB rep, also push to remove any ambiguity from the rules i.e., remove any "might be suspended", "could be suspended" references from the rules and have them say "will be suspended"?
Yeah Shawn puts on a show now with the IFBB.If he wants that show sanctioned you think he will talk bad now about them.Look back at what he used to say to what he is saying now.;0
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Your points are valid and well taken.
That being said, when I was competing and later representing the Athletes, I was not working with people who understood the needs of the athletes. I was up against, Wayne and now I am working with Jim.
I couldnt' get anything accomplished due to the powers that be, which is why it sounded more like complaining than gettig the rules changed.
Wayne has since been dismissed, I have since stopped competing.
The Athletes are the ones who didnt care, so I stopped caring.
I moved on got married, had a baby and retired.
Bob Cick stepped up and I supported him. J
Jim manion has listened intently and progress has been made, no thanks to MANY athletes who are still competing, Lee Included!
Regarding Lee, he sat on the sidelines remaing quiet for years as I pushed for simple changes: more prize money for the lower placing guys, rotation of Judges at the Olympia, enforcement of existing rules ie: (Calf Implants, Late to meetings, failure to sign contract and register on time, Unruly conduct-arrests, wife/girlfriend beating, recreational drug problems etc.)
I agree, strict Rule Enforcment, no maybe's or possibly verbage. Disorderly Conduct among Pro's in Print, Internet or otherwise.
The federation and the people in charge are in a much better position Now then they were in 2001 & 02 with Jim Manion at the helm and Bob Cick in place as the rep. However, even now, with all the Powers that be trying to work with the representation the Athletes have, there is dissention among ranks with Lee Priest leading the way.
Now that is the saddest commentary i've made in a while since Lee never cared before and now that he does, he goes about it the wrong way, accomplishing nothing.
Peace,
S. Ray
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Making popcorn...
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Your points are valid and well taken.
That being said, when I was competing and later representing the Athletes, I was not working with people who understood the needs of the athletes. I was up against, Wayne and now I am working with Jim.
I couldnt' get anything accomplished due to the powers that be, which is why it sounded more like complaining than gettig the rules changed.
Wayne has since been dismissed, I have since stopped competing.
The Athletes are the ones who didnt care, so I stopped caring.
I moved on got married, had a baby and retired.
Bob Cick stepped up and I supported him. J
Jim manion has listened intently and progress has been made, no thanks to MANY athletes who are still competing, Lee Included!
Regarding Lee, he sat on the sidelines remaing quiet for years as I pushed for simple changes: more prize money for the lower placing guys, rotation of Judges at the Olympia, enforcement of existing rules ie: (Calf Implants, Late to meetings, failure to sign contract and register on time, Unruly conduct-arrests, wife/girlfriend beating, recreational drug problems etc.)
I agree, strict Rule Enforcment, no maybe's or possibly verbage. Disorderly Conduct among Pro's in Print, Internet or otherwise.
The federation and the people in charge are in a much better position Now then they were in 2001 & 02 with Jim Manion at the helm and Bob Cick in place as the rep. However, even now, with all the Powers that be trying to work with the representation the Athletes have, there is dissention among ranks with Lee Priest leading the way.
Now that is the saddest commentary i've made in a while since Lee never cared before and now that he does, he goes about it the wrong way, accomplishing nothing.
Peace,
S. Ray
Shawn,
Not one gif, jpg, tif, etc and articulate as well.
WHO IS THIS REALLY?
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Your points are valid and well taken.
That being said, when I was competing and later representing the Athletes, I was not working with people who understood the needs of the athletes. I was up against, Wayne and now I am working with Jim.
I couldnt' get anything accomplished due to the powers that be, which is why it sounded more like complaining than gettig the rules changed.
Wayne has since been dismissed, I have since stopped competing.
The Athletes are the ones who didnt care, so I stopped caring.
I moved on got married, had a baby and retired.
Bob Cick stepped up and I supported him. J
Jim manion has listened intently and progress has been made, no thanks to MANY athletes who are still competing, Lee Included!
Regarding Lee, he sat on the sidelines remaing quiet for years as I pushed for simple changes: more prize money for the lower placing guys, rotation of Judges at the Olympia, enforcement of existing rules ie: (Calf Implants, Late to meetings, failure to sign contract and register on time, Unruly conduct-arrests, wife/girlfriend beating, recreational drug problems etc.)
I agree, strict Rule Enforcment, no maybe's or possibly verbage. Disorderly Conduct among Pro's in Print, Internet or otherwise.
The federation and the people in charge are in a much better position Now then they were in 2001 & 02 with Jim Manion at the helm and Bob Cick in place as the rep. However, even now, with all the Powers that be trying to work with the representation the Athletes have, there is dissention among ranks with Lee Priest leading the way.
Now that is the saddest commentary i've made in a while since Lee never cared before and now that he does, he goes about it the wrong way, accomplishing nothing.
Peace,
S. Ray
basically you sold out.
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Lee's response................ ........................ ........................ ..
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So lee has calf implants.
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Your points are valid and well taken.
That being said, when I was competing and later representing the Athletes, I was not working with people who understood the needs of the athletes. I was up against, Wayne and now I am working with Jim.
I couldnt' get anything accomplished due to the powers that be, which is why it sounded more like complaining than gettig the rules changed.
Wayne has since been dismissed, I have since stopped competing.
The Athletes are the ones who didnt care, so I stopped caring.
I moved on got married, had a baby and retired.
Bob Cick stepped up and I supported him. J
Jim manion has listened intently and progress has been made, no thanks to MANY athletes who are still competing, Lee Included!
Regarding Lee, he sat on the sidelines remaing quiet for years as I pushed for simple changes: more prize money for the lower placing guys, rotation of Judges at the Olympia, enforcement of existing rules ie: (Calf Implants, Late to meetings, failure to sign contract and register on time, Unruly conduct-arrests, wife/girlfriend beating, recreational drug problems etc.)
I agree, strict Rule Enforcment, no maybe's or possibly verbage. Disorderly Conduct among Pro's in Print, Internet or otherwise.
The federation and the people in charge are in a much better position Now then they were in 2001 & 02 with Jim Manion at the helm and Bob Cick in place as the rep. However, even now, with all the Powers that be trying to work with the representation the Athletes have, there is dissention among ranks with Lee Priest leading the way.
Now that is the saddest commentary i've made in a while since Lee never cared before and now that he does, he goes about it the wrong way, accomplishing nothing.
Peace,
S. Ray
I think Shawn is right about starting a family and moving on while still staying involved in the sport and remaing in a positive mode. Trust me, while I am no pro or anything big in bodybuilding , I can tell ya, the best thing to do is stay positive and not worry about some of the more negative or stressful issues in our sport.
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Your points are valid and well taken.
That being said, when I was competing and later representing the Athletes, I was not working with people who understood the needs of the athletes. I was up against, Wayne and now I am working with Jim.
I couldnt' get anything accomplished due to the powers that be, which is why it sounded more like complaining than gettig the rules changed.
Wayne has since been dismissed, I have since stopped competing.
The Athletes are the ones who didnt care, so I stopped caring.
I moved on got married, had a baby and retired.
Bob Cick stepped up and I supported him. J
Jim manion has listened intently and progress has been made, no thanks to MANY athletes who are still competing, Lee Included!
Regarding Lee, he sat on the sidelines remaing quiet for years as I pushed for simple changes: more prize money for the lower placing guys, rotation of Judges at the Olympia, enforcement of existing rules ie: (Calf Implants, Late to meetings, failure to sign contract and register on time, Unruly conduct-arrests, wife/girlfriend beating, recreational drug problems etc.)
I agree, strict Rule Enforcment, no maybe's or possibly verbage. Disorderly Conduct among Pro's in Print, Internet or otherwise.
The federation and the people in charge are in a much better position Now then they were in 2001 & 02 with Jim Manion at the helm and Bob Cick in place as the rep. However, even now, with all the Powers that be trying to work with the representation the Athletes have, there is dissention among ranks with Lee Priest leading the way.
Now that is the saddest commentary i've made in a while since Lee never cared before and now that he does, he goes about it the wrong way, accomplishing nothing.
Peace,
S. Ray
Shawn i never sat on the sideline go back to any bible(flex mag) and see i have always voiced my opinion starting from 93 on when you were quiet.I never did care where i placed i just wanted to see it fair for all.So now go back and research i was saying things that you said years before you SHAWN. :)
Fuck they must be having your blue blazer made with gold lapells.Good on ya General Shawn fight on Mr Custer
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Shawn i never sat on the sideline go back to any bible(flex mag) and see i have always voiced my opinion starting from 93 on when you were quiet.I never did care where i placed i just wanted to see it fair for all.So now go back and research i was saying things that you said years before you SHAWN. :)
f**k they must be having your blue blazer made with gold lapells.Good on ya General Shawn fight on Mr Custer
Did you beat a woman, Lee??? If you did, then you're a fucking piece of shit for that, pal.
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Did you beat a woman, Lee??? If you did, then you're a fucking piece of shit for that, pal.
Lee has never hit a woman EVER!! >:( >:(
Some accusations go way over the line!
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Did you beat a woman, Lee??? If you did, then you're a fucking piece of shit for that, pal.
Dude.. relax!!! This topic DOES NOT involve you so don't throw in uselesss posts.
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Vince G,why make a statement like that Lee did you beat a woman,and then go on to call him a ..............,rumours are the stuff here.I heard you were nice guy.There is so much hate on this board it's all very Sad.Lee is a very nice guy and has respect of any who know him and Shawn is as good as they get in the sport,what they say to each other is their business.So grow up.
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Vince G,why make a statement like that Lee did you beat a woman,and then go on to call him a ..............,rumours are the stuff here.I heard you were nice guy.There is so much hate on this board it's all very Sad.Lee is a very nice guy and has respect of any who know him and Shawn is as good as they get in the sport,what they say to each other is their business.So grow up.
I agree, the really harmful , stupid, mean rumors and gossip kill this sport for all of us. I am sure Lee and Shawn have different ideas and opinions about the IFBB and pro bodybuilding, but in my book, they place are great pros and straight shooters that I admire as a fan.
Howard
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Ah Lee, when you were petitioning the IFBB for a Pro Card, I was already Pro like 6 or 7 years and already stepping up for the athletes.
Go back and read the history books or better yet, ask the ring leader of PDI, he'll tell you that when you were dreaming of being a Pro, I was addressing the very issues you claim are upsetting you now.
Jump in bed with the guy who penalized you and refused to address the issues, certainly you should help you over there.
That doesn't mean I dont like you or respect your opinion but I'm sure you understand.
By the way, the penalties you got penalized for were for Breaking Rules not for obiding by them, so your claim of trying to get things changed for the betterment of the athletes kinda sounds like the Blue Blazer with Gold Lapels your on about. ::)
When I get one, you'll be the 1st person I pose for pictures with. 8)
Stay Hungry kid, you know I love ya!
Peace,
S
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yeah right like Wayne or Manion were the one who controled everything
what about your friend Joe and his brother Benny ? :o
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Ronnie wore stars and stripes posing trunks. The official rulebook clearly states only solid coloured posing trunks are allowed. Thus he should have been disqualified along with Kevin for not paying on time, and Jay for failing the diuretics test.
Technically, Shawn was the rightful winner
(http://www.bbcenter.sk/images/gallery/arnolds_classic/shawn_ray/ray15.jpg)
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Dude.. relax!!! This topic DOES NOT involve you so don't throw in uselesss posts.
Let me give you the definition of a question mark.....
Its a curved line with a dot in at the bottom indicating a question being asked such as.....well....Did you hit a woman, Lee Priest??
Please read the post I make more carefully in the future or learn to read.
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Let me give you the definition of a question mark.....
Its a curved line with a dot in at the bottom indicating a question being asked such as.....well....Did you hit a woman, Lee Priest??
Please read the post I make more carefully in the future or learn to read.
Vince, please kill yourself. Thank you
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Did you beat a woman, Lee??? If you did, then you're a fucking piece of shit for that, pal.
And where did this come from Vince?I will beat you ,you little bitch :) Is this like the Bob beating women thing.I have only beat then whebn they begged for it....which you would know nothing about Vince.Oh then again i am sure you have begged for a cock or two.
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Ah Lee, when you were petitioning the IFBB for a Pro Card, I was already Pro like 6 or 7 years and already stepping up for the athletes.
Go back and read the history books or better yet, ask the ring leader of PDI, he'll tell you that when you were dreaming of being a Pro, I was addressing the very issues you claim are upsetting you now.
Jump in bed with the guy who penalized you and refused to address the issues, certainly you should help you over there.
That doesn't mean I dont like you or respect your opinion but I'm sure you understand.
By the way, the penalties you got penalized for were for Breaking Rules not for obiding by them, so your claim of trying to get things changed for the betterment of the athletes kinda sounds like the Blue Blazer with Gold Lapels your on about. ::)
When I get one, you'll be the 1st person I pose for pictures with. 8)
Stay Hungry kid, you know I love ya!
Peace,
S
Nah Shawn for one i never dreamed of being a pro anyone who knows me knows i liked to compete back then never to turn pro.When i came to the USA and found i could i just said ok try and see what happens.As for the athletes all getting paid at the O Wayne and i had big talks all the time.It's on tape at the Press confrence when i said they all should get money or i would give mine away.Wayne said put it in writing which i did the night before and handed it to him at the press confrence(all on tape Shawn.) He read it allowed what i wrote and agreed there to pay all the athlete 2,000 dollars.And Shawn for all your religious bullshit you spew i will save you aseat beside me in HELL.Cuase deep down you know you will be there no matter how much forgivens you ask for.:) see ya there buddy.
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Lee and Shawn, in my humble opinion these rumor mill/gossip wars will do nothing more than tarnish the repuation you BOTH have earned as top pros. I sincerely have no idea of who is clowning or what, but it doesn't matter. I sincerely feel that bodybuilding should move to a 100% positive atmosphere and ignore those that want to make baseless attacks . Judging, $$$$ , drug issues , etc are all controversial aspects in this sport, but, staying positive is one thing we all can exhibit.
All the best, Howard
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All the best, Howard
summer school's out? welcome back
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summer school's out? welcome back
No, fall session is already started for a week now. Just hanging here for a few.
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Oh then again i am sure you have begged for a cock or two.
He has also been beaten by a few...he likes the sound his mouth makes when they hit him in the cheek
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Vince...you a retard...and fat...
Bottom line, the IFBB is the pimp, the BBer's are the hoe's. BBer's come and go and as long as the IFBB/Manion are getting paid, who gives a fuck what happens to them. Do you think they care that BBer's risk their short term and long term health to win a show? Nope. Pimpin' ain't easy fellas....
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Sounds like Shawn Ray is another "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" candidate. I have always believed that the worst representative or any group is one of their formers, because the former will always abandon their guys in the trenches for their new life of privilige. They will often feel things like "well if I had to deal with it now you have to deal with it." They will get their position claiming they care about the workers, or athletes, but really just loathe them and resent the entire industry that used them in the first place. So now its party time and the hell with the guys in the trenches. Happens all the time in all kinds of industries.
It is best bodybuilders have a representative that has never been a bodybuilder and that holds no hidden resentment towards their form life, or self hatred. You guys should nominate a good smart lawyer who wants to help bodybuilders and the entire sport, or doctorate in Ethics, or even just a really brilliant Negotiator. But never nominate one of you own. Even the late John F Kennedy Jr.felt that way, he spoke out to help social workers get fair treatment when their own reps just turned a blind eye.
Impeach your current reps and get ones that really care about you.
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Sounds like Shawn Ray is another "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" candidate. I have always believed that the worst representative or any group is one of their formers, because the former will always abandon their guys in the trenches for their new life of privilige. They will often feel things like "well if I had to deal with it now you have to deal with it." They will get their position claiming they care about the workers, or athletes, but really just loathe them and resent the entire industry that used them in the first place. So now its party time and the hell with the guys in the trenches. Happens all the time in all kinds of industries.
It is best bodybuilders have a representative that has never been a bodybuilder and that holds no hidden resentment towards their form life, or self hatred. You guys should nominate a good smart lawyer who wants to help bodybuilders and the entire sport, or doctorate in Ethics, or even just a really brilliant Negotiator. But never nominate one of you own. Even the late John F Kennedy Jr.felt that way, he spoke out to help social workers get fair treatment when their own reps just turned a blind eye.
Impeach your current reps and get ones that really care about you.
Craig Richardson's training partner is a lawyer
(http://www.super-nutrition.net/uploadfiles/craig_richardson.jpg)
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Lee, you forget so soon? ???
I was there when Wayne read your letter about giving away your Prize Money to the ones who didn't place high enough to deserve it by way of the Rules in place.
Sadly, your efforts were not to have the Rules Changed.
That being said, Hell is a place you seem to be anxious to get to. I on the other hand can only Pray for you, which I have.
Sad to see you'd go to criticize a persons Faith when we were talking intelligently about the future of our sport?
This my friend is one of the reasons why I stepped down from the Rep position. When the Athletes competing dont care about their future in the sport why should I?
Your comments and statements have done NOTHING to make the sport better or get rules changed. However, you've made a name for yourself talking out of your Arse and blowing smoke that does nothing to further the cause you claim to be making regarding progress for the athletes.
Try and stick to the subject matter and not play misdirection by bring a persons Faith or Religious beliefs into it.
What's next............You wanna play the race card?
I've heard a thing or two about that regarding you as well. :-\
Peace,
S. Ray
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Lee, you forget so soon? ???
I was there when Wayne read your letter about giving away your Prize Money to the ones who didn't place high enough to deserve it by way of the Rules in place.
Sadly, your efforts were not to have the Rules Changed.
That being said, Hell is a place you seem to be anxious to get to. I on the other hand can only Pray for you, which I have.
Sad to see you'd go to criticize a persons Faith when we were talking intelligently about the future of our sport?
This my friend is one of the reasons why I stepped down from the Rep position. When the Athletes competing dont care about their future in the sport why should I?
Your comments and statements have done NOTHING to make the sport better or get rules changed. However, you've made a name for yourself talking out of your Arse and blowing smoke that does nothing to further the cause you claim to be making regarding progress for the athletes.
Try and stick to the subject matter and not play misdirection by bring a persons Faith or Religious beliefs into it.
What's next............You wanna play the race card?
I've heard a thing or two about that regarding you as well. :-\
Peace,
S. Ray
;D
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That being said, Hell is a place you seem to be anxious to get to. I on the other hand can only Pray for you, which I have.
Do you think Hell would be interested in someone that let their mother go to jail for transporting their drugs?
It seems to me that Lucifer might be interested in such a person.
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Lee, you forget so soon? ???
I was there when Wayne read your letter about giving away your Prize Money to the ones who didn't place high enough to deserve it by way of the Rules in place.
Sadly, your efforts were not to have the Rules Changed.
That being said, Hell is a place you seem to be anxious to get to. I on the other hand can only Pray for you, which I have.
Sad to see you'd go to criticize a persons Faith when we were talking intelligently about the future of our sport?
This my friend is one of the reasons why I stepped down from the Rep position. When the Athletes competing dont care about their future in the sport why should I?
Your comments and statements have done NOTHING to make the sport better or get rules changed. However, you've made a name for yourself talking out of your Arse and blowing smoke that does nothing to further the cause you claim to be making regarding progress for the athletes.
Try and stick to the subject matter and not play misdirection by bring a persons Faith or Religious beliefs into it.
What's next............You wanna play the race card?
I've heard a thing or two about that regarding you as well. :-\
Peace,
S. Ray
Wrong again MR CHRISTIAN the letter said to give prize money to all athletes it didn't mention my prize money to be given away.It was about all the athletes getting money which they did 2,000 how soon you forget.Hell is where you will be so ask forgiveness all you want .You think by praying he will forgive you so easy please good old christian thinking i guess.Let insult put people down,screw people over do what ever kill.But hey come sunday i will ask forgiveness and all will be good.Nice way to think Shawn what ever helps you get through your day i guess.
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Lee, you forget so soon? ???
I was there when Wayne read your letter about giving away your Prize Money to the ones who didn't place high enough to deserve it by way of the Rules in place.
Sadly, your efforts were not to have the Rules Changed.
That being said, Hell is a place you seem to be anxious to get to. I on the other hand can only Pray for you, which I have.
Sad to see you'd go to criticize a persons Faith when we were talking intelligently about the future of our sport?
This my friend is one of the reasons why I stepped down from the Rep position. When the Athletes competing dont care about their future in the sport why should I?
Your comments and statements have done NOTHING to make the sport better or get rules changed. However, you've made a name for yourself talking out of your Arse and blowing smoke that does nothing to further the cause you claim to be making regarding progress for the athletes.
Try and stick to the subject matter and not play misdirection by bring a persons Faith or Religious beliefs into it.
What's next............You wanna play the race card?
I've heard a thing or two about that regarding you as well. :-\
Peace,
S. Ray
Oh sorry Shawn then bring it up i call you out.I have always spoke my mind i don't hide anything.The race card well lets go there.Lets see my brother well Kurt who is like my brother met first day in America he is black,Then there is Paul who broke up with his wife,Chris kicked him out and i took Paul in for 8 months.Not to mention alot of the people at the homless shelter where i go now and then and serve food or give away money or food cards to the grocery store .There are alot of minorites there as well.I guess thats why we got along good all these years and i did your camps and helped you when asked for money for the golf last year and showed up.Yeah i guess i am a big racist Shawn.Damm hope the KKK dosent see how i have acted all these years they might want my sheet and hood back :).So come on Shawn you talk about changing the subject and hitting low.Well you opended it up lets go there.Please do tell Oh and i like I HAVE HEARD A THING OR TWO.LET ME NOT GO THERE TO WHAT I HAVE HEARD ABOUT YOU.WE CAN PLAY THAT ALL DAY.GROW UP mmmm typical rumour spreading person but GOD loves you.
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Sounds like Shawn Ray is another "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" candidate. I have always believed that the worst representative or any group is one of their formers, because the former will always abandon their guys in the trenches for their new life of privilige. They will often feel things like "well if I had to deal with it now you have to deal with it." They will get their position claiming they care about the workers, or athletes, but really just loathe them and resent the entire industry that used them in the first place. So now its party time and the hell with the guys in the trenches. Happens all the time in all kinds of industries.
It is best bodybuilders have a representative that has never been a bodybuilder and that holds no hidden resentment towards their form life, or self hatred. You guys should nominate a good smart lawyer who wants to help bodybuilders and the entire sport, or doctorate in Ethics, or even just a really brilliant Negotiator. But never nominate one of you own. Even the late John F Kennedy Jr.felt that way, he spoke out to help social workers get fair treatment when their own reps just turned a blind eye.
Impeach your current reps and get ones that really care about you.
great post,i agree 100%
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whats the point of a union rep who's more for the company than the workers? that goes against everything a union reps supposed to be.you should be able to trust your rep to fight for you whether your in the right or not..thats what theyre there for.
ive got nothing against bob but a union should be prepared to fight for every single one of the people they represent.
maybe there could be some way of getting a proper paid union rep in place could be the way forward (small union fee's each year)because it seems to me that at the minute theres a big conflict of interest,resulting in the rep being afraid to fight for the athletes
im not trying to argue with anyone, just telling it like it is
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That being said, Hell is a place you seem to be anxious to get to. I on the other hand can only Pray for you, which I have.
............You wanna play the race card?
I've heard a thing or two about that regarding you as well. :-\
Peace,
S. Ray
Not comletely sure but its seems to me that its the former sinners that are the ones always praying for everyone else. Kinda like Titus's wife in jail now.
The Bible is clear about its position on Sorcery, funny how so many so-called religious bodybuiders are praying for everyone else.
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Lee it looks like all you need now is this suit to show what you have become on these boards to complete the image you've so eloquently worked on the last few years.
Good luck in your show! ::)
Peace.
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Sounds like Shawn Ray is another "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" candidate. I have always believed that the worst representative or any group is one of their formers, because the former will always abandon their guys in the trenches for their new life of privilige. They will often feel things like "well if I had to deal with it now you have to deal with it." They will get their position claiming they care about the workers, or athletes, but really just loathe them and resent the entire industry that used them in the first place. So now its party time and the hell with the guys in the trenches. Happens all the time in all kinds of industries.
It is best bodybuilders have a representative that has never been a bodybuilder and that holds no hidden resentment towards their form life, or self hatred. You guys should nominate a good smart lawyer who wants to help bodybuilders and the entire sport, or doctorate in Ethics, or even just a really brilliant Negotiator. But never nominate one of you own. Even the late John F Kennedy Jr.felt that way, he spoke out to help social workers get fair treatment when their own reps just turned a blind eye.
Impeach your current reps and get ones that really care about you.
Awesome post and 100% correct. And Lee you too are correct and have won every round. It's easy to win battles when you have as much ammo as there is available.
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Lee it looks like all you need now is this suit to show what you have become on these boards to complete the image you've so eloquently worked on the last few years.
Good luck in your show! ::)
Peace.
HEY I LIKE CLOWNS.THEY HAVE A PURPOSE THEY MAKE PEOPLE LAUGH.WAIT SO DOES SHAWN THAT MAKES YOU GO MMMMMMMMMMM.Shawn it is so hard for you to play the religious role you true colors come throu everytime.But i love you even if god dosen't.
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HEY I LIKE CLOWNS.THEY HAVE A PURPOSE THEY MAKE PEOPLE LAUGH.WAIT SO DOES SHAWN THAT MAKES YOU GO MMMMMMMMMMM.Shawn it is so hard for you to play the religious role you true colors come throu everytime.But i love you even if god dosen't.
Shawn is a fraud cause Milos said so ;D
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Awesome post and 100% correct. And Lee you too are correct and have won every round. It's easy to win battles when you have as much ammo as there is available.
Thanks dudes for the support of my post. It makes sense doesn't it, I mean why would these guys want a rep who has spent most of their adult life lifting weights in a gym rather than reading a text books in school. Get some real representation with real brains and negotiating skills. Like I said JFK Jr. new enough to step up and speak out for underpaid and overworked social workers, while their own reps just collapsed under the weight of city beaurocracy. He actualy got things done for them and started a charity to help support them. Maybe pro bodybuiders could use the same.
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I will be glad when lee retires. The way he is acting on these boards is pathetic. Its funny before the whole pdi thing was going on , people on here was bashing lee for that dumb joke about a burning body and his grammar. So lets see, lee has made racist remarks, joke on somebody religion, joke about a burning body in a car(reference to that girl in vegas), etc.
PS. dont give me that bullshit about having friends that are black or dating someone that is black
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Quoted..........for posterity.
And the name of this shelter?
I would like the name of this shelter too
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I would like the name of this shelter too
why....you thinking about giving some of your time too?
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why....you thinking about giving some of your time too?
Anybody in need I will help them, wouldnt you?
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You would help even TheBlockhead?
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Now im a big fan of Shawn, but the only thing he got wrong was the statement about Lee never speaking out. Wasnt he suspended and fined $5000 in 1999 for that exact thing? And he also stuck his finger up and said fuck the IFBB not long ago. Hes always aired his views, just as Shawn has.
The wife beating part was a reference to Chris Cormier i reckon, it wasnt solely based on Lee. This is the shit part, with 2 of the highest profile personalities in the sport going at it its no wonder that its still in the dark ages. Everyone bitches and moans about the sport not providing this and that for the athletes, not paying them enough, no insurance etc etc. To get anywhere, EVERYONE needs to be on the same side.
For fuck sake if it wasnt for Shawn there would never have been an athletes rep, the guys outside the top 10 at the O woul still get no money and their voices would still go unheard. get a grip of yourselves, put your personal differences aside and do whats right for the ATHLETES.
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I will be glad when lee retires. The way he is acting on these boards is pathetic. Its funny before the whole pdi thing was going on , people on here was bashing lee for that dumb joke about a burning body and his grammar. So lets see, lee has made racist remarks, joke on somebody religion, joke about a burning body in a car(reference to that girl in vegas), etc.
PS. dont give me that bullshit about having friends that are black or dating someone that is black
OH YOU WORKED ME OUTAS WELL I AM RACIST JUST LIKE CHRIS ROCK AND EVERYONE ELSE WHO HAS USED A RACIAL REMARK OR JOKE.TRY LOOKING IN THE MIRROR.IT'S PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT START WARS
NOTICE EVRY THING YOU SAID STARTED WITH THE WORD "JOKE" YEAH GET A CLUE MR CLUELESS.
BUT HEY WHAT DO I CARE I AM SO SICK OF ALL THE EXPERTS ON HERE SO THIS IS MY LAST POST FOR AWHILE THIS WHOLE THING IS SO BORING. YOU HAVE ENOUGH NO IT ALLS TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
I DONT NEED TO COME ON HERE AND ARGUE ABOUT MY BELIEFS THOUGHTS IF I AM RACIST .I KNOW WHO I AM AND I AM VERY HAPPY.TO BAD YOU GUYS(NOT ALL) JUST A FEW AREN'T .SO BEST OF LUCK.
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Calm down Lee what do you expect from a 'enihs'? Just like that race baiting extortionist, shakedown artist Jesse Jackson...'they' can say whatever they want about whitey...say something back and WE are the bigots.
It's always like that...who are Chris Rocks biggest fans? White People. Who hates Bill Cosby the most? Uh huh...you know.
You cant argue with 'them' Lee...don't even bother.
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OH YOU WORKED ME OUTAS WELL I AM RACIST JUST LIKE CHRIS ROCK AND EVERYONE ELSE WHO HAS USED A RACIAL REMARK OR JOKE.TRY LOOKING IN THE MIRROR.IT'S PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT START WARS
NOTICE EVRY THING YOU SAID STARTED WITH THE WORD "JOKE" YEAH GET A CLUE MR CLUELESS.
BUT HEY WHAT DO I CARE I AM SO SICK OF ALL THE EXPERTS ON HERE SO THIS IS MY LAST POST FOR AWHILE THIS WHOLE THING IS SO BORING. YOU HAVE ENOUGH NO IT ALLS TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
I DONT NEED TO COME ON HERE AND ARGUE ABOUT MY BELIEFS THOUGHTS IF I AM RACIST .I KNOW WHO I AM AND I AM VERY HAPPY.TO BAD YOU GUYS(NOT ALL) JUST A FEW AREN'T .SO BEST OF LUCK.
:'( :'(
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*bumpity bump* :)
do animal shelters count?
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OH YOU WORKED ME OUTAS WELL I AM RACIST JUST LIKE CHRIS ROCK AND EVERYONE ELSE WHO HAS USED A RACIAL REMARK OR JOKE.TRY LOOKING IN THE MIRROR.IT'S PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT START WARS
NOTICE EVRY THING YOU SAID STARTED WITH THE WORD "JOKE" YEAH GET A CLUE MR CLUELESS.
BUT HEY WHAT DO I CARE I AM SO SICK OF ALL THE EXPERTS ON HERE SO THIS IS MY LAST POST FOR AWHILE THIS WHOLE THING IS SO BORING. YOU HAVE ENOUGH NO IT ALLS TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
I DONT NEED TO COME ON HERE AND ARGUE ABOUT MY BELIEFS THOUGHTS IF I AM RACIST .I KNOW WHO I AM AND I AM VERY HAPPY.TO BAD YOU GUYS(NOT ALL) JUST A FEW AREN'T .SO BEST OF LUCK.
Are you angry now :-\
You must be on tren ;D
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You would help even TheBlockhead?
Yes
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*bumpity bump* :)
step away from this board and return to the x board
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"sgt d" all you do is call people racist..havent you got any other arguments.
ffs get a grip you frigging turd burglar
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Once again sgt. D's post make me want to kick old ladys in the shins. How antagonistic can you be? Your agenda must be reveiled. Explain yourself and your intentions; such as ( the following is a manufactured qoute) "... I sgt. D will swing on the nuts of any IFBB pro and shed a trollistic light on anything even remotely anti-IFBB or incongruent with said federation." Using your logic against L.P. don't say - I don't have to prove anything to you. You do.
Bizarro Sgt. D
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step away from this board and return to the x board
I like flower here :)
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Once again sgt. D's post make me want to kick old ladys in the shins. How antagonistic can you be? Your agenda must be reveiled. Explain yourself and your intentions; such as ( the following is a manufactured qoute) "... I sgt. D will swing on the nuts of any IFBB pro and shed a trollistic light on anything even remotely anti-IFBB or incongruent with said federation." Using your logic against L.P. don't say - I don't have to prove anything to you. You do.
Bizarro Sgt. D
:)
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"sgt d" all you do is call people racist..havent you got any other arguments.
ffs get a grip you frigging turd burglar
Hi Lee
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Hi Lee
hi sgt shitDick
btw i dont think lee would make a gimmick account just to call you a turd burglar, you frigging turd burglar
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Lee I think your helping with the people like you do is very good. Too bad more people should be lilke you.
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OH YOU WORKED ME OUTAS WELL I AM RACIST JUST LIKE CHRIS ROCK AND EVERYONE ELSE WHO HAS USED A RACIAL REMARK OR JOKE.TRY LOOKING IN THE MIRROR.IT'S PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT START WARS
NOTICE EVRY THING YOU SAID STARTED WITH THE WORD "JOKE" YEAH GET A CLUE MR CLUELESS.
BUT HEY WHAT DO I CARE I AM SO SICK OF ALL THE EXPERTS ON HERE SO THIS IS MY LAST POST FOR AWHILE THIS WHOLE THING IS SO BORING. YOU HAVE ENOUGH NO IT ALLS TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
I DONT NEED TO COME ON HERE AND ARGUE ABOUT MY BELIEFS THOUGHTS IF I AM RACIST .I KNOW WHO I AM AND I AM VERY HAPPY.TO BAD YOU GUYS(NOT ALL) JUST A FEW AREN'T .SO BEST OF LUCK.
MELTDOWN :o
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Why shound't Lee meltdown? And why are all of these people giving Lee trouble about the name of the shelter?
Lee, give the name of the shelter and shut them up!!!!!
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Why shound't Lee meltdown? And why are all of these people giving Lee trouble about the name of the shelter?
Lee, give the name of the shelter and shut them up!!!!!
meltdown
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I love what this board has come to.....
A bunch of "pros" arguing on a public forum!!! Classic.
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If you cant argue in a public forum then why argue I say !!!
Any how its not arguing its a lively debate !!!
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If you cant argue in a public forum then why argue I say !!!
Any how its not arguing its a lively debate !!!
Hey HRDCOR can you tell us the name of the shelter to shut up those haters
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Lee:
ignore the primo sociopath
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;D
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Damn it! Just when Lee or someone else that knows something dirty about Shawn is about to spill the beans, Shawn clams up or tones it down. I noticed this in many posts. It must be really bad.
When is someone actually gonna say what it is?? Rhino? Lee? Just come out with it already.