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The most idiotic thing ever written on GetBig !
true...but its getting out of hand..islam really is a peacefull religion and these 'encouraged' people have spread their hatred deep and almost succeeded in almost changing a religion...
written by ToxicAvenger
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=91290.0
Toxic, Either you are a Muslim, or you are the most delusional person on GetBig ! ! ! !
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Ive read idiotic er
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The most idiotic thing ever written on GetBig !
Reading this from somebody who only has 24 posts?? really stick around for awhile before complaining it gets much worse..have you met jags..:)
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hahaha
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The most idiotic thing ever written on GetBig !
Reading this from somebody who only has 24 posts?? really stick around for awhile before complaining it gets much worse..have you met jags..:)
TRUEST statement ever written on getbig ;D
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So the higher the post count the more truth the user speaks?
So sarcasm is one of the most TRUTHFUL people on Getbig ::)
Righty...
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Ive read idiotic er
lol
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The most idiotic thing ever written on GetBig !
Reading this from somebody who only has 24 posts?? really stick around for awhile before complaining it gets much worse..have you met jags..:)
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I wuv you too honeybunny :-*
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So the higher the post count the more truth the user speaks?
So sarcasm is one of the most TRUTHFUL people on Getbig ::)
Righty...
no but your post count should at least top 100 or you have spent at least 3 months trolling before you complain.
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I wuv you too honeybunny :-*
I think of you often when I post..:)
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no but your post count should at least top 100 or you have spent at least 3 months trolling before you complain.
He's not complaining, he's stating a fact.
How many posts do you need to justify posting facts?
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The most idiotic thing ever written on GetBig !
written by ToxicAvenger
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=91290.0
Toxic, Either you are a Muslim, or you are the most delusional person on GetBig ! ! ! !
How is that delusional? History is full of examples where extremism has both warped & reshaped religions and their practices to the point where the only recognizeable common elements between the incarnation and it's predecessor... is the name.
Perhaps too, ...as a Muslim, he has the benefit of a more accurate perspective on the situation not afforded to non-Muslims.
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He's not complaining, he's stating a fact.
How many posts do you need to justify posting facts?
not sure if you know the difference between fact and opinion?
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Perhaps too, ...as a Muslim, he has the benefit of a more accurate perspective on the situation not afforded to non-Muslims.
That's bullshit.
It's comparable to:
"Let's let murderers and rapists judge themselves in the courtroom. They have a more accurate perspective on the situation not afforded to non-[murderers/rapists]"
not sure if you know the difference between fact and opinion?
I know the difference. Do you?
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That's bullshit.
It's comparable to:
"Let's let murderers and rapists judge themselves in the courtroom. They have a more accurate perspective on the situation not afforded to non-[murderers/rapists]"
I know the difference. Do you?
not sure you do, fact is something that is 1+1=2 no different answer can be found, opinion is your take on something that is said or written. I think you may be confused.
his statement was "Toxic, Either you are a Muslim, or you are the most delusional person on GetBig ! ! ! !" based on something toxie wrote as his opinion.
hope this helps.
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OK maybe you're correct, but had he said:
"Toxic, Either you are a Muslim, or you are the second most delusional person on GetBig"
It would of been a fact.
The most delusional person on Getbig is 240.
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no but your post count should at least top 100 or you have spent at least 3 months trolling before you complain.
AlwaysSore,
I have been on here for over 4 years, I just don't have allot of time to post anymore.
I used to debate on here with Avenging Eagle, and MelonWheels, back in the day.
Anyone know what happened to JDogg ? I have not seen him on here in over a year...
and what about Beyond Genetics ? does he not post here anymore either ?
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The most delusional person on Getbig is 240.
You are the one that claims titanium can be vaporized with jet fuel. ;D
(http://mouv4x8.club.fr/11Sept01/A0004b_Passage_Missile_Pentagon.jpg)
ARE YOU BLIND?
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AlwaysSore,
I have been on here for over 4 years, I just don't have allot of time to post anymore.
I used to debate on here with Avenging Eagle, and MelonWheels, back in the day.
Anyone know what happened to JDogg ? I have not seen him on here in over a year...
and what about Beyond Genetics ? does he not post here anymore either ?
ok my bad, then I withdraw my protest..:) complain about anything you like the floor is yours..:)
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Toxic isn't a Muslim. He's an Atheist.
He's stated that numerous times.
YIP
Zack
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OK maybe you're correct, but had he said:
"Toxic, Either you are a Muslim, or you are the second most delusional person on GetBig"
It would of been a fact.
The most delusional person on Getbig is 240.
see now that is a example of fact...:) good for you.:)
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You are the one that claims titanium can be vaporized with jet fuel. ;D
Impact collisions is what causes the titanium to disintigrate. Jet fuel doesn't come into the equation.
Jet fuel might actually make the titanium more pliable, and absorb the impact energy more efficiently.
Toxic isn't a Muslim. He's an Atheist.
He's stated that numerous times.
YIP
Zack
So anything that comes out of his mouth is gospel truth? ::)
People, I think i've found Getbigs 3rd most delusional person!
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(http://mouv4x8.club.fr/11Sept01/A0004b_Passage_Missile_Pentagon.jpg)
Keep in mind that this hole was created by the nose cone of a commercial jet after it retained the structural integrity to punch through 3 buildings of the pentagon, THEN suddenly vaporized.
So the nose cone was this strong, but the 2 6-ton engines vaporized. yep. okay.
You know, a missile hitting the building makes a lot more sense.
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Impact collisions is what causes the titanium to disintigrate. Jet fuel doesn't come into the equation.
Jet fuel might actually make the titanium more pliable, and absorb the impact energy more efficiently.
So anything that comes out of his mouth is gospel truth? ::)
People, I think i've found Getbigs 3rd most delusional person!
Thats even more delusional, a 6 ton engine hitting a brick wall is like a golfball hitting a wall of Lego's. ;)
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You know, a missile hitting the building makes a lot more sense.
No, it makes just as much sense.
Explain to me the physics that convince you that this is the result of a missile.
Oh shit! Let me guess, you haven't even researched the science behind why you think it's a missile. You're just looking for an alteria projectile to keep your conspiracy fire burining! Woo woo!
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Thats even more delusional, a 6 ton engine hitting a brick wall is like a golfball hitting a wall of Lego's. ;)
http://www.sandia.gov/media/mov_mpg/f_4crash_test_slow.mpg
http://www.sandia.gov/media/mov_mpg/f_4crashtest.mpg
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No, it makes just as much sense.
Explain to me the physics that convince you that this is the result of a missile.
Oh shit! Let me guess, you haven't even researched the science behind why you think it's a missile. You're just looking for an alteria projectile to keep your conspiracy fire burining! Woo woo!
No need to insult. Check it out...
Whatever hit the pentagon went though 3 solid buildings, right? We see the exit hole, clearly punched through the wall, after it goes entirely through 3 of the 5 buildings. Steel reinforced concrete walls.
So if it is strong enough to punch through these 3 walls, and you'll notice the last hole is VERY clean and circular... i can't see why it would just decide to evaporate at that point. Way more likely is that the blue tarped object that men were photographed carrying out is the fuselage of a small missile which would have made that exact hole.
Bottom line - it is strong enough to punch clean holes in 3 buildings - then it just vaporizes?
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Number 1. Show me the video of what was left after that crash.
Number 2. Didn't you see all the debris go flying when it crashed?
Number 3. Why do you believe the FBI is holding the tapes of the attack?
Number 4. That didn't look much like a thin brick wall to me.
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http://www.sandia.gov/media/mov_mpg/f_4crash_test_slow.mpg
http://www.sandia.gov/media/mov_mpg/f_4crashtest.mpg
You just defeated your own argument. The govt tells us that the nosecone of the plane punched cleanly through six walls (both sides of 3 buildings.)
It either disintegrates on impact, as the video you show demonstrates, or it punches through. It's can't do both. It cannot completely disintegrate the wings/engines (the stronger part) while at the same time the fuselage (the fragile paeg) does the incredible feat of cutting through 6 walls like a knife thru butter.
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People, I think i've found Getbigs 3rd most delusional person!
Dammit! {sniffle} ...i've been demoted ...didn't even place. :'(
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The videos were just to show that under the right conditions disintigration can occur.
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You just defeated your own argument. The govt tells us that the nosecone of the plane punched cleanly through six walls (both sides of 3 buildings.)
It either disintegrates on impact, as the video you show demonstrates, or it punches through. It's can't do both. It cannot completely disintegrate the wings/engines (the stronger part) while at the same time the fuselage (the fragile paeg) does the incredible feat of cutting through 6 walls like a knife thru butter.
I tend to believe my mom who was outside when the plane crashed as she lived right next to the pentagon and was able to see the whole event and watched the site for days from her window. but I guess you have video or news quote to dispute her?
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nordic, i trulty believe that a plane hitting the pentagon would be shredded into a million pieces, as the clip you show demonstrates.
However, those pieces would be all over the lawn. We saw very very little debris.
Secondly, there was a very clean hole punched through the walls.
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The videos were just to show that under the right conditions disintigration can occur.
I agree with you there. Just not in the case of the Pentagon attack.
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Look at how far the object that hit the pentagon travels. through THREE buildings. Then it leaves the clean exit hole, perfectly rounded.
If it disintegrated on impact, what caused that hole?
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This it the hole that was caused by whatever hit the pentagon. The one that is circle on the the second picture. Did a boeing do this right before it was vaporized?
(http://mouv4x8.club.fr/11Sept01/A0004b_Passage_Missile_Pentagon.jpg)
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Theres no legal way to get the tapes of this attack released? Do you think we will ever see them?
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Nordic, your plane either vaporized on the outside, or it was incredibly strong and made that nice hole after cutting through 3 buildings which were just reinforced. We're talking steel and concrete and some thick buildings. Additionally, whatever hit it plowed thorugh two maintenance walkways in addition to the 3 buildings- so there were 3 impact holes and 3 exit holes. That is one strong ass plane! The missile you showed hitting completely vaporized upon impact. It's obvious that this didn't happen at the pentagon, right?
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240, do you think a missile would do that kind of "non" damage?
I say non-damage, because it would have to be a specifically developed missile that doesn't destroy it's target. A missile with that entry hole and impact depth would be fucking huge and totally waste a very large portion of the pentagon.
Show me the science behind a traditional missle hitting the pentagon that day.
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240, do you think a missile would do that kind of "non" damage?
I say non-damage, because it would have to be a specifically developed missile that doesn't destroy it's target. A missile with that entry hole and impact depth would be fucking huge and totally waste a very large portion of the pentagon.
Show me the science behind a traditional missle hitting the pentagon that day.
I contend that it wasn't a traiditon missile designed to blow anything up. It was a dudded-head designed to just punch a hole. Much like an unarmed bunker-buster. It punched 6 holes through 3 buildings, then came to a stop. You see men carrying something long and thing in a box covered in a blue tarp. This woudl be the missile.
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(http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/pentagonapproach.jpg)
In response to the question of "where is the wreckage of the plane", the answer is that much of the wreckage slid into the ground floor of the Pentagon. It slid INTO the building, into the first floor space, starting a fire in the first floor, whereupon the upper floors later collapsed down onto the remains of the aircraft. Most of the aircraft wreckage is therefore under the collapsed roof section in the photo.
So where is the rest of the wreckage from the passenger plane? Right in plain view, for those who actually look.
(http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/overview.jpg)
In the above copy of the wide area view, a red rectangle marks an area to be examined. This area appears below.
Click for larger image of the insert
The Pentagon is a building mostly made of concrete and wood. Yet here is a pile of crumpled aluminum debris, and clearly seen mixed in with it are pieces of luggage. Since the Pentagon itself does not travel, we can conclude that the luggage (and the aluminum shards mixed with them) are part of the remains of the passenger jet which hit the Pentagon.
In similar crashes, the resulting debris was in small pieces, 6 feet long at most. You don't SEE huge pieces of airplane sitting at crash sites in head on collisions such as slamming into the wall of the Pentagon. Despite their impressive size, aircraft and relatively fragile objects due to weight considerations.
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Most of the aircraft wreckage is therefore under the collapsed roof section in the photo.
So what part of it punched through the 3 buildings and left that clean exit hole?
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I contend that it wasn't a traiditon missile designed to blow anything up. It was a dudded-head designed to just punch a hole. Much like an unarmed bunker-buster. It punched 6 holes through 3 buildings, then came to a stop. You see men carrying something long and thing in a box covered in a blue tarp. This woudl be the missile.
Show me the pic of the guys carrying something.
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always sore, for your version to be correct, we'd have to believe that yes- most of the wreckage is under that collapsed section in that first building. But then tell me- was it JUST the nose of the plane that plowed through ALL THREE buildings and created that small exit hole? I mean, that just makes no sense. I'm not being disrespectful. I am serious. If most of that plane was crushed and burned in that first building, which is reasonable, then there should NOT be holes in the second and third buildings. See what I mean?
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always sore, for your version to be correct, we'd have to believe that yes- most of the wreckage is under that collapsed section in that first building. But then tell me- was it JUST the nose of the plane that plowed through ALL THREE buildings and created that small exit hole? I mean, that just makes no sense. I'm not being disrespectful. I am serious. If most of that plane was crushed and burned in that first building, which is reasonable, then there should NOT be holes in the second and third buildings. See what I mean?
if you shoot a bullet does it not keep going until the energy is expended? if a nose of a plane punched thru a building everything swept up in the path would get thrown forward until it ran out of energy, and in this case followed by a fireball thus the blacken exits deeper into the pentagon.Plus like a bullet in a explosion things bounce and wounds are made in strange paths.
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http://www.purdue.edu/UNS/html4ever/020910.Sozen.Pentagon.html
Theres a bacl dude in the pic, meaning the thing under the blue plastic sheet can't be that secret :-*
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All I gotta say is that was a pretty precise hit. I don't know of any pilots who could execute such precision. A few feet short and an angle off, that "
plane" projectile would have fallen short and crashed into the ground before hitting at the ground floor level.
What a fortuitous coincidence it struck the one wall that had coincidently just been reinforced!
Whew... somebody got lucky that day! ::)
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All I gotta say is that was a pretty precise hit. I don't know of any pilots who could execute such precision. A few feet short and an angle off, that "plane" projectile would have fallen short and crashed into the ground before hitting at the ground floor level.
What a fortuitous coincidence it struck the one wall that had coincidently just been reinforced!
Whew... somebody got lucky that day! ::)
Jags just a question for you, do you know where dulles airport is in relation to why it was that wall hit or the fact that that is the side that the helecopter landing pad is? have you ever been inside of the pentagon? or if you were to shoot a missle for it to have hit the wall you would with have to be shooting from the top of the army base and arlington cementary and thru the holiday inn building or right down columbia pike during rush hour.
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I don't know of any pilots who could execute such precision.
Yeah yeah... you're talking extreme bullshit... ::)
PS.
How many pilots do you know?
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Just a quick show of hands anybody writing all this shit ever been to the pentagon or live in the area or know the terrain or have been inside the pentagon or were here during the 9/11 attacks or is everybody just playing cut and paste with the internet because I was here and I did know people who died and I have been inside and all around the pentagon and I do know the area and have lived here for years. Im just curious what real life information of conspircy everybody has as opposed to internet crap?
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Jags just a question for you, do you know where dulles airport is in relation to why it was that wall hit or the fact that that is the side that the helecopter landing pad is? have you ever been inside of the pentagon? or if you were to shoot a missle for it to have hit the wall you would with have to be shooting from the top of the army base and arlington cementary and thru the holiday inn building or right down columbia pike during rush hour.
Never been inside the Pentagon, but my friend's wife works there. Is that close enough? ;)
As for the missile thing, it didn't hit during rush hour, and where one would have to be to fire it, I guess it would depend on the type of missile wouldn't it? I mean, ...y'all had magic bullets in the 60's capable of doing looptey-loos ;) why not a missile with the ability to maneuver?
Has anyone explained why all the clocks stopped 5 minutes before the hit?
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Never been inside the Pentagon, but my friend's wife works there. Is that close enough? ;)
As for the missile thing, it didn't hit during rush hour, and where one would have to be to fire it, I guess it would depend on the type of missile wouldn't it? I mean, ...y'all had magic bullets in the 60's capable of doing looptey-loos ;) why not a missile with the ability to maneuver?
Has anyone explained why all the clocks stopped 5 minutes before the hit?
no friends wife working there is third hand information. 9:43 am is right in the middle of rush hour but since you do not live here and do not know I do and it is and at that spot is the convergence of traffic of monster proportions. have you even the faintest idea how a missle works? taking into consideration all thing being possiable even if it was a high tech tomahawk it would still have to cross a large amount of ground in plain sight (since you may have invisiable weaponds in canada we do not here) and would have been seen.If it was a line of sight missle you would have to either fire it from the middle of arlington cemetary or ft mcnair either of whice is crawling with people both civilian and military. clocks stopping 5 min before sure sounds like more internet nonsense, the only thing that could stop a clock is a EMP but the damage done was not nuclear so guess what sound like more baloony.
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oh forgot they have something called discovery channel where they recreated the shooting of kennedy to show the path of the bullet but again I guess canada edits your television to only show flowers and roses and great health care and how everything in the south is evil, really I need to move to this paradise.
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No, you can find clocks in various museums, including the smithsonian- they all stopped at 9:32 when the missile blast hit. Then, at 9:37, when they crashed a globalhawk into it to shred on the lawn, that's what your mother saw.
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if you shoot a bullet does it not keep going until the energy is expended? if a nose of a plane punched thru a building everything swept up in the path would get thrown forward until it ran out of energy, and in this case followed by a fireball thus the blacken exits deeper into the pentagon.Plus like a bullet in a explosion things bounce and wounds are made in strange paths.
No, this was a very direct path. It was the Pentagon. not only that, but it was the recently-reinforced, strongest part of the pentagon.
Any plane that hit likely would have shredded, as the video clip posted shows.
But the ONLY, and I mean ONLY thing that would have enough structural integrity to punch a clean hole in 3 reinforced buildings is a missile. You seen the nose of a Boeing in ANY plane crash? It shreds. And if it's strong enough to punch through 3 buildings, it's strong enough to remain. and not be COMPLETELY vaporized.
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http://www.rense.com/general70/tarp.htm
Blue tarp revealed!
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The most idiotic thing ever written on GetBig !
Reading this from somebody who only has 24 posts?? really stick around for awhile before complaining it gets much worse..have you met jags..:)
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No, this was a very direct path. It was the Pentagon. not only that, but it was the recently-reinforced, strongest part of the pentagon.
Any plane that hit likely would have shredded, as the video clip posted shows.
But the ONLY, and I mean ONLY thing that would have enough structural integrity to punch a clean hole in 3 reinforced buildings is a missile. You seen the nose of a Boeing in ANY plane crash? It shreds. And if it's strong enough to punch through 3 buildings, it's strong enough to remain. and not be COMPLETELY vaporized.
This may help you understand but I do not think so, Its a site of eyewitness reports and people that were there.
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/witnesses/bart.html
have you ever been (not on tv or photos ) near a missle exposion in real life? ever did a BDA (bomb damage assesment)? have you ever been inside the pentagon and touched a wall? what was the wall reinforced with and why? could it be they were making it more sound proof because of the helos landing there all the time? have you ever even been to the area yourself?
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http://www.rense.com/general70/tarp.htm
Blue tarp revealed!
http://www.rense.com/ < YEAH TRUSTFUL SOURCE ::) :-X :-\ :-*
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use google. The blue tarp pic was shown on every media source that day.
And reporters were VERY curious in the days after 9/11. They continually asked DOD people just where the plane went. They continually asked where the bodies were. They were on the scene and they know what they saw. A 757 did not hit the Pentagon.
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have you ever been inside the pentagon and touched a wall? what was the wall reinforced with and why? could it be they were making it more sound proof because of the helos landing there all the time? have you ever even been to the area yourself?
google it.
The Pentagon Renovations
Completed on 9/11/2001
A year’s work finally finished. Dan Fraunfelter counted himself lucky when he landed a job working on the first phase of the massive Pentagon renovation project. When the military complex was originally built, it was constructed in five, chevron-shaped wedges. Each chevron, more than 1 million square feet in size, accommodating roughly 5,000 workers, was designed as a stand-alone building with its own separate utility system. The unique design was meant to make the entire complex stronger (if one section of the building was suddenly disabled, the others could function regularly without disruption.)
But it also lent itself particularly well to renovation. Even though the Pentagon is massive—larger than three Empire State Buildings, the face on each of the five sides slightly longer than three football fields— the wedge construction allowed engineers to remake the building one, easy-to-close-off section at a time. Contractors could simply move workers, seal off a wedge, and install new features like reinforced steel columns and two-inch-thick blast-resistant windows. Fraunfelter, a 24-year-old who studies architecture part time at Northern Virginia Community College, had long been fascinated by the Pentagon. When his firm, Amec Construction, won the general contract for Wedge 1, he plunged into the job eagerly, anxious to explore every square inch of the physical structure.
On Sept. 11, the contract officially complete, Fraunfelter was finishing up a few last punch-list items. He arrived on-site at 7 a.m. to prepare for an 8 a.m. tenant meeting. It was a routine job-completion task, a meeting where tenants handed over a list of final fix-it items: touch-up painting, leaking pipes, etc. [MSNBC]
American Airlines Flight 77 struck the portion of the building that had already been renovated. It was the only area of the Pentagon with a sprinkler system, and it had been reconstructed with a web of steel columns and bars to withstand bomb blasts. The steel reinforcement, bolted together to form a continuous structure through all of the Pentagon's five floors, kept that section of the building from collapsing for 30 minutes--enough time for hundreds of people to crawl out to safety.
The area struck by the plane also had blast-resistant windows--2 inches thick and 2,500 pounds each--that stayed intact during the crash and fire. It had fire doors that opened automatically and newly built exits that allowed people to get out.
"This was a terrible tragedy, but I'm here to tell you that if we had not undertaken these efforts in the building, this could have been much, much worse," Evey said. "The fact that they happened to hit an area that we had built so sturdily was a wonderful gift."
The rest of the Pentagon would not have fared as well.
The fire that swept through the building caused the greatest damage in an unrenovated section with no sprinkler system, heavy windows or steel reinforcements. But many of the offices there were empty in anticipation of the renovation.
While perhaps 4,500 people normally would have been working in the hardest-hit areas, because of the renovation work only about 800 were there Tuesday, officials said. [LATimes]
Most of Marine Aviation had just the weekend before been moved to the "Butler building," an extension of the Pentagon and about 200 yards from where the impact occurred, not nearly as close as their previous offices. [mca-marines.org]
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google it.
The Pentagon Renovations
Completed on 9/11/2001
A year’s work finally finished. Dan Fraunfelter counted himself lucky when he landed a job working on the first phase of the massive Pentagon renovation project. When the military complex was originally built, it was constructed in five, chevron-shaped wedges. Each chevron, more than 1 million square feet in size, accommodating roughly 5,000 workers, was designed as a stand-alone building with its own separate utility system. The unique design was meant to make the entire complex stronger (if one section of the building was suddenly disabled, the others could function regularly without disruption.)
But it also lent itself particularly well to renovation. Even though the Pentagon is massive—larger than three Empire State Buildings, the face on each of the five sides slightly longer than three football fields— the wedge construction allowed engineers to remake the building one, easy-to-close-off section at a time. Contractors could simply move workers, seal off a wedge, and install new features like reinforced steel columns and two-inch-thick blast-resistant windows. Fraunfelter, a 24-year-old who studies architecture part time at Northern Virginia Community College, had long been fascinated by the Pentagon. When his firm, Amec Construction, won the general contract for Wedge 1, he plunged into the job eagerly, anxious to explore every square inch of the physical structure.
On Sept. 11, the contract officially complete, Fraunfelter was finishing up a few last punch-list items. He arrived on-site at 7 a.m. to prepare for an 8 a.m. tenant meeting. It was a routine job-completion task, a meeting where tenants handed over a list of final fix-it items: touch-up painting, leaking pipes, etc. [MSNBC]
American Airlines Flight 77 struck the portion of the building that had already been renovated. It was the only area of the Pentagon with a sprinkler system, and it had been reconstructed with a web of steel columns and bars to withstand bomb blasts. The steel reinforcement, bolted together to form a continuous structure through all of the Pentagon's five floors, kept that section of the building from collapsing for 30 minutes--enough time for hundreds of people to crawl out to safety.
The area struck by the plane also had blast-resistant windows--2 inches thick and 2,500 pounds each--that stayed intact during the crash and fire. It had fire doors that opened automatically and newly built exits that allowed people to get out.
"This was a terrible tragedy, but I'm here to tell you that if we had not undertaken these efforts in the building, this could have been much, much worse," Evey said. "The fact that they happened to hit an area that we had built so sturdily was a wonderful gift."
The rest of the Pentagon would not have fared as well.
The fire that swept through the building caused the greatest damage in an unrenovated section with no sprinkler system, heavy windows or steel reinforcements. But many of the offices there were empty in anticipation of the renovation.
While perhaps 4,500 people normally would have been working in the hardest-hit areas, because of the renovation work only about 800 were there Tuesday, officials said. [LATimes]
Most of Marine Aviation had just the weekend before been moved to the "Butler building," an extension of the Pentagon and about 200 yards from where the impact occurred, not nearly as close as their previous offices. [mca-marines.org]
so that kind of proves my point, thanks.
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so that kind of proves my point, thanks.
happy to help. That does not explain what exactly penetrated three reinforced, steel-webbed buildings and left a perfect exit hole.
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happy to help. That does not explain what exactly penetrated three reinforced, steel-webbed buildings and left a perfect exit hole.
can a .22 cal make a hole like a .45? yes because there are verabiles on distance substance hit. A missle depending on the size and type would do one of two things either go deep inside and blow out leaving a big circle or explode on the face and cause tunnel with equal amounts of damage in front as in back. PLus where do you think one could have been fired from?
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can a .22 cal make a hole like a .45? yes because there are verabiles on distance substance hit. A missle depending on the size and type would do one of two things either go deep inside and blow out leaving a big circle or explode on the face and cause tunnel with equal amounts of damage in front as in back. PLus where do you think one could have been fired from?
I understand ballistics - but not why the bullet would disappear AFTER doing the damage. your plane either shreds, losing all structurral integrity, or penetrates 3 reinforced buildings- and if it penetrates it, then it retains enough integrity not to "vaporize".
Fired from - A military chopper which at least two witnesses reported seeing in the air a few minutes before the plane hit.
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I understand ballistics - but not why the bullet would disappear AFTER doing the damage. your plane either shreds, losing all structurral integrity, or penetrates 3 reinforced buildings- and if it penetrates it, then it retains enough integrity not to "vaporize".
Fired from - A military chopper which at least two witnesses reported seeing in the air a few minutes before the plane hit.
ok 1st where would a chopper fire from trhat is not in plain sight of 1/2 a million witnesses? just because I am standing near a car does not make me a thief. second if you fire a 5.56 into a pool it penetraits but breaks up its not either or it can be both.
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ok 1st where would a chopper fire from trhat is not in plain sight of 1/2 a million witnesses? just because I am standing near a car does not make me a thief. second if you fire a 5.56 into a pool it penetraits but breaks up its not either or it can be both.
where do you get 500,000 witnesses? A chopper took off from the middle of the Pentagon, fired, and landed. Or the globalhawk that crashed 5 min later launched it. I do not know.
Okay- if you fire a round into a building, it penetrates, and breaks up - but the materials retain their composition. What i am saying is that the bullet does not "vaporize".
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where do you get 500,000 witnesses? A chopper took off from the middle of the Pentagon, fired, and landed. Or the globalhawk that crashed 5 min later launched it. I do not know.
Okay- if you fire a round into a building, it penetrates, and breaks up - but the materials retain their composition. What i am saying is that the bullet does not "vaporize".
1st the bullet can be broken and burned up or melted or "lost" it is not like the plane was built of some super secret material.
2nd its 9;30 in the morning the roads are full of traffic, the landing pad is within spitting distance from the road, the area is surrounded by paths full of joggers and bikers you could not take off and fire anything without everybody and there brother seeing you.Again I have been there and have taken off from there.
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1st the bullet can be broken and burned up or melted or "lost" it is not like the plane was built of some super secret material.
Aparrently, it IS made of some super strong material. It penetrated THREE buildings!
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Aparrently, it IS made of some super strong material. It penetrated THREE buildings!
not really the force of the explosion penatraited three building followed by a fireball. really man do not let the idea that there is only penatraition without destrution. its really simple science. I could take a snowball and throw it thru a glass window without anything remaining after the hit.
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not really the force of the explosion penatraited three building followed by a fireball. really man do not let the idea that there is only penatraition without destrution. its really simple science. I could take a snowball and throw it thru a glass window without anything remaining after the hit.
Right - but you have to realize- it started with a 16-foot diameter hole, and ended with a 16-foot diameter hole. It cleanly penetrated three of the strongest buildings on earth. It looks PERFECTLY like a dummy head missile strike.
When you say 'the force of the explosion penetrated the 3 buildings", well, it doesn't make sense to me. I don't believe that an explosion would CHOOSE to follow a 16-foot wide hole.
Look at the path your explosion would have had to take:
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Stick around newbie, you'll see allot more than that.
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If it had been an explosion, this is the more likely path:
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Right - but you have to realize- it started with a 16-foot diameter hole, and ended with a 16-foot diameter hole. It cleanly penetrated three of the strongest buildings on earth. It looks PERFECTLY like a dummy head missile strike.
When you say 'the force of the explosion penetrated the 3 buildings", well, it doesn't make sense to me. I don't believe that an explosion would CHOOSE to follow a 16-foot wide hole.
Look at the path your explosion would have had to take:
first you looking from the outside you really need to see the inside to determin path. second there not the 3 strongest building on earth, they were built 50 years ago mainly from brick that after time breaks down. third a missle stike would have cause the second building to be destroyed. it is more likely a path of parts or interior stuff pushed forward followed by a fireball.
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do you see the other hole and burn marks on the third building?
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maybe it was a plane disguised as a missile disguised as a plane. See there you go, problem solved. next theroy
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on your photo do you see how the burn marks look like it was smoke if it was a warhead it would have burn marks all around the hole.
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first you looking from the outside you really need to see the inside to determin path.
The graphic I have posted shows both the entrance and exit holes, from govt released photographs: There is no other path the projectile could have taken. See the path here: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=91378.0;attach=99046;image
second there not the 3 strongest building on earth, they were built 50 years ago mainly from brick that after time breaks down.
No. According to MSNBC: "It was the only area of the Pentagon with a sprinkler system, and it had been reconstructed with a web of steel columns and bars to withstand bomb blasts. The steel reinforcement, bolted together to form a continuous structure through all of the Pentagon's five floors, kept that section of the building from collapsing for 30 minutes--enough time for hundreds of people to crawl out to safety.
The area struck by the plane also had blast-resistant windows--2 inches thick and 2,500 pounds each--that stayed intact during the crash and fire. It had fire doors that opened automatically and newly built exits that allowed people to get out."
third a missle stike would have cause the second building to be destroyed. it is more likely a path of parts or interior stuff pushed forward followed by a fireball.
Not without an explosive payload. JDAMs were used in the war to punch holes in targets without causing collateral damage. From above they are freefall bombs- they can flatten a garage without hurting the house. Put an engine on a rocket with no payload and you can get the JDAm effect horizontally.
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on your photo do you see how the burn marks look like it was smoke if it was a warhead it would have burn marks all around the hole.
you're assuming it was an explosive payload. I contend that it was a missile with a solid head. It would have penetrated the building but would not have exploded, save for the rocket/booster pushing it. Since it was a short flight (200 m)? it could have had a very low fuel capacity. Toss in a solid steel head and voila, it makes 3 16-foot entry holes, and three 16-foor exit holes.
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The graphic I have posted shows both the entrance and exit holes, from govt released photographs: There is no other path the projectile could have taken. See the path here: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=91378.0;attach=99046;image
No. According to MSNBC: "It was the only area of the Pentagon with a sprinkler system, and it had been reconstructed with a web of steel columns and bars to withstand bomb blasts. The steel reinforcement, bolted together to form a continuous structure through all of the Pentagon's five floors, kept that section of the building from collapsing for 30 minutes--enough time for hundreds of people to crawl out to safety.
The area struck by the plane also had blast-resistant windows--2 inches thick and 2,500 pounds each--that stayed intact during the crash and fire. It had fire doors that opened automatically and newly built exits that allowed people to get out."
Not without an explosive payload. JDAMs were used in the war to punch holes in targets without causing collateral damage. From above they are freefall bombs- they can flatten a garage without hurting the house. Put an engine on a rocket with no payload and you can get the JDAm effect horizontally.
ok so we have a non explosive rocket, launched in plain site from a helecopter followed by a ?explosion of a different plane that came later but un seen? all this minus the witnesses who claim otherwise? really your getting into the "magic" area.
if you believe it was fired by helecopter in the path you outlined where does that put the helecopter? in that path you have no shot.........
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you're assuming it was an explosive payload. I contend that it was a missile with a solid head. It would have penetrated the building but would not have exploded, save for the rocket/booster pushing it. Since it was a short flight (200 m)? it could have had a very low fuel capacity. Toss in a solid steel head and voila, it makes 3 16-foot entry holes, and three 16-foor exit holes.
why would you fire (let alone how) a non explosive rocket what would that cause?
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why would you fire (let alone how) a non explosive rocket what would that cause?
If they needed a hole in the side of the building but didn't want to destory much of their building, a dummy warhead does the trick! Leveling a chunk of it leaves no mystery- a nice deep hole, well, smoe suckers are *still* buying that a plane and engines were somhow "sucked into the hole".
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If they needed a hole in the side of the building but didn't want to destory much of their building, a dummy warhead does the trick! Leveling a chunk of it leaves no mystery- a nice deep hole, well, smoe suckers are *still* buying that a plane and engines were somhow "sucked into the hole".
1ST WHY would they want a hole there?
2nd if a plane hits a reinforced structer the wings would foldtoward the main body and slide inside the building, they would not sheer off and stopp on the outside.
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If they needed a hole in the side of the building but didn't want to destory much of their building, a dummy warhead does the trick! Leveling a chunk of it leaves no mystery- a nice deep hole, well, smoe suckers are *still* buying that a plane and engines were somhow "sucked into the hole".
Hey 240, ...no need to insult the guy. He's a marine from VA.
Remember what happened to the last military guy who question the 'official' story?
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Hey 240, ...no need to insult the guy. He's a marine from VA.
Remember what happened to the last military guy who question the 'official' story?
Really was that necessary? Just because you "think" its something different there is no need to just insult me now is there?
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im telling you, it was a missile plane
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Really was that necessary? Just because you "think" its something different there is no need to just insult me now is there?
:'( Wow AS I'm sorry you see this as an insult against you
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:'( Wow AS I'm sorry you see this as an insult against you
I am a little sensitive and feeling bloted and crampy, but thanks for it not being a insult...:)
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want a cookie and a foot massage?
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want a cookie and a foot massage?
yea and some mitol..and bring mama the remote so she can watch her stories...:)
steelers!!!!!!
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haha
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sympathy appearance
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1ST WHY would they want a hole there?
So when people said 'where is the plane' they could say someone insane like 'the plane folded up and went inside the hole'
2nd if a plane hits a reinforced structer the wings would foldtoward the main body and slide inside the building, they would not sheer off and stopp on the outside.
please find me one plane wreck or accident in history where this happened. Please show me OMME compuer model which demonstrates the wings folding up. And PLEASE tell me where the engines when. They were each SIX TONS of titanium. I've heard people say today that they disintegrated, i've heard people say they were sucked into the hole. Which is it?
Some people are sheep. There are two missing engines. There is a hole that goes through 3 buildings and no plane anywhere. you'll believe an irrational story from a govt funded agendy.
You're scared of the govt, aren't you?
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So when people said 'where is the plane' they could say someone insane like 'the plane folded up and went inside the hole'
please find me one plane wreck or accident in history where this happened. Please show me OMME compuer model which demonstrates the wings folding up. And PLEASE tell me where the engines when. They were each SIX TONS of titanium. I've heard people say today that they disintegrated, i've heard people say they were sucked into the hole. Which is it?
Some people are sheep. There are two missing engines. There is a hole that goes through 3 buildings and no plane anywhere. you'll believe an irrational story from a govt funded agendy.
You're scared of the govt, aren't you?
why would I be scared of the goverment..unless hillary wins and they try to take away my guns...:)
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