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The chain reaction of evil--wars producing more wars -- must be broken, or we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation.
~Martin Luther King, Jr.
Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism.
~George Washington
Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official...
~Theodore Roosevelt
Military glory--that attractive rainbow, that rises in showers of blood--that serpent's eye, that charms to destroy...
~Abraham Lincoln
Only a free and unrestrained press can effectively expose deception in government.
~Hugo Black, Supreme Court Justice
Nations, like individuals, are punished for their transgressions.
~Ulysses S. Grant
It would be easier to subjugate the entire universe through force than the minds of a single village.
~Voltaire
Those who give up essential liberties for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
~Benjamin Franklin
An army of principles can penetrate where an army of soldiers cannot.
~Thomas Paine
It is unpatriotic not to tell the truth, whether about the president or anyone else.
~Theodore Roosevelt
Our country is now geared to an arms economy bred in an artificually induced psychosis of war hysteria and an incessant propaganda of fear.
~General Douglas MacArthur
The statesman who yields to war fever...is no longer the master of policy but the slave of unforeseeable and uncontrollable events.
~Sir Winston Churchill
In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act.
~George Orwell
Love of power, operating through greed and through personal ambition, was the cause of all these evils.
~Thucydides
It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.
~Voltaire
No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.
~James Madison
We will not learn how to live together in peace by killing each other's children.
~Jimmy Carter
That we are to stand by the president, right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.
~Theodore Roosevelt
The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive.
~Thomas Jefferson
Political language ... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.
~George Orwel
The Department of Defense is the behemoth...With an annual budget larger than the gross domestic product of Russia, it is an empire.
~The 9/11 Commission Report About the quote: Norton First Edition
Our enemies...never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.
~George W. Bush
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I hope to god these hardcore Bush supporters see whats happening soon. This is serious.
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Your quotes are applicable to 911 240.
You are officially a nutcase. Let it go for a while... cold turkey and post about a different damn topic... :-\
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“We often refuse to accept an idea merely because the tone of voice in which it has been expressed is unsympathetic to us.” --Friedrich Nietzsche
"Words ought to be a little wild, for they are the assaults of thoughts on the unthinking." -- John Maynard Keynes
"One of the first moves of a dictatorship is to stifle the artists and thinkers who have the ability to stir up dissent from any prescribed dogma which might enslave them." -- Uta Hagen
“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed, and thus clamorous to be led to safety, by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.” --Henry L. Mencken (1880-1956)
"Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities, has the power to make you commit injustices," --Voltaire
“How long wilt thou sleep, O sluggard? when wilt thou arise out of thy sleep?” --Proverbs 6:9
"The dissenter is every human being at those moments of his life when he resigns momentarily from the herd and thinks for himself." -- Archibald MacLeish
"Minds are like parachutes. They only function when open."--Thomas Dewar
"To put the world in order, we must first put the nation in order; to put the nation in order, we must put the family in order; to put the family in order, we must cultivate our personal life; and to cultivate our personal life, we must first set our hearts right." -- Confucius
"Respect begins when we begin to acknowledge and accept perceptions besides our own." -- Gary A. Johnson
"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and the government when it deserves it." --Mark Twain
"You cannot change your destination overnight, but you can change your direction overnight." -- Jim Rohn
"The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is." -- Winston Churchill
"Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but usually manages to pick himself up, walk over or around it, and carry on." -- Winston Churchill
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." -- Albert Einstein
"The world we have created is a product of our thinking; it cannot be changed without changing our thinking" --Albert Einstein
"If you are planning for a year, sow rice; If you're planning for a decade, plant tress; If you're planning for a lifetime, educate people" --Chinese proverb
"Freedom is the right to be wrong, not the right to do wrong." -- Prime Minister Diefenbaker, March 11, 1958
"Never do anything against conscience even if the state demands it." --Albert Einstein
"Every government is run by liars, and nothing they say should be believed." -- I.F. Stone
“Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar.” --Caesar
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"Don't eat yellow snow"
My father 1978
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Your quotes are applicable to 911 240.
You are officially a nutcase.
I spent 6 months studying the evidence and reached the conclusion that it was an inside job.
How much time did you spend to reach your conclusion?
What sources, besides network tv, have you used?
Also, will you admit that the US has used false flag incidents in teh past to achieve its goals?
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I spent 6 months studying the evidence and reached the conclusion that it was an inside job.
How much time did you spend to reach your conclusion?
What sources, besides network tv, have you used?
Also, will you admit that the US has used false flag incidents in teh past to achieve its goals?
And exactly what are you going to do with all this research? Talk about it on a bbing message board? It's getting fucking old.
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Your quotes are applicable to 911 240.
Exactly
Quotes were pre 9/11 except for GWB's. If people seriously think they can have diplomacy with terrorists then they're deluded!!
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Quotes were pre 9/11 except for GWB's. If people seriously think they can have diplomacy with terrorists then they're deluded!!
We're in complete agreement here.
I just think the list of terrorists shuld include some white guys in DC, if they knew about 911 beforehand. Would you agree?
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We're in complete agreement here.
I just think the list of terrorists shuld include some white guys in DC, if they knew about 911 beforehand. Would you agree?
why are you talking about this stupid shit on this site?
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why are you talking about this stupid shit on this site?
It's a general board. people frequently talk politics, the news, and other things which affect our country.
This week, the 911 skeptics have had major coverage in newspapers and magazines all over the place. it fits in the category of General. And I didn't bring up 911, someone else did.
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It's a general board. people frequently talk politics, the news, and other things which affect our country.
This week, the 911 skeptics have had major coverage in newspapers and magazines all over the place. it fits in the category of General. And I didn't bring up 911, someone else did.
Aren't there better avenues to share your extensive research than getbig?
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I spent 6 months studying the evidence and reached the conclusion that it was an inside job.
How much time did you spend to reach your conclusion?
What sources, besides network tv, have you used?
Also, will you admit that the US has used false flag incidents in teh past to achieve its goals?
Why do you keep pulling about what I believe and what I don't believe?
My comment was basically a suggestion to YOU to cool it with this shit, it seems like way too big a part of your life at the moment.
Fucking chill about it for a while. Regroup and rethink for a week. We all win. Your arguement will become stronger and our impression of you will be less of a pretentious conpiracist!
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Aren't there better avenues to share your extensive research than getbig?
people come here to exchange ideas, thoughts, views, and information. I am posting on topics which is all over the media, all over campuses, and 9 days away from the 5-year anniversary. I have a belief that 911 was an inside job, or at the very least, the White house had foreknowledge. I contend that there should be a new investigation.
People here like to argue and we like to discuss/dabte. That's what we're doing. I stopped with the 10 911 threads a day. I just add to the merged thread, and spek on 911 when others bring it up and I have an educated opinion no the matter.
IMO, anyone who lives in America or whose life is influenced in any way by the US should research this topic. If there was a killer on your street who burned up 3000 people one morning, and he still lived there, would there be anything wrong with telling the other neighbors about it?
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people come here to exchange ideas, thoughts, views, and information. I am posting on topics which is all over the media, all over campuses, and 9 days away from the 5-year anniversary. I have a belief that 911 was an inside job, or at the very least, the White house had foreknowledge. I contend that there should be a new investigation.
People here like to argue and we like to discuss/dabte. That's what we're doing. I stopped with the 10 911 threads a day. I just add to the merged thread, and spek on 911 when others bring it up and I have an educated opinion no the matter.
IMO, anyone who lives in America or whose life is influenced in any way by the US should research this topic. If there was a killer on your street who burned up 3000 people one morning, and he still lived there, would there be anything wrong with telling the other neighbors about it?
I don't give a fuck what you talk about, but you are not funny anymore. :-\ You are OBSESSED!
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We're in complete agreement here.
I just think the list of terrorists shuld include some white guys in DC, if they knew about 911 beforehand. Would you agree?
I would agree if that were the case...but I don't buy it. There are too many Bush hate mongers who wanted Bush out from the beginning dating all the way back to the "Bush stole the election" scandal, these idiots are still convinced he stole the election and thats they have been trying to sabatoge his every move since day one!! Sorry for the rant.
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"Don't eat yellow snow"
My father 1978
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Exactly
Quotes were pre 9/11 except for GWB's. If people seriously think they can have diplomacy with terrorists then they're deluded!!
I agree also. But there are better ways to deal with terrorist then the ways we are doing now. Start with Saudi Arabia.
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I would agree if that were the case...but I don't buy it. There are too many Bush hate mongers who wanted Bush out from the beginning dating all the way back to the "Bush stole the election" scandal, these idiots are still convinced he stole the election and thats they have been trying to sabatoge his every move since day one!! Sorry for the rant.
Fair enough. I agree completely that some are out to get bush out using anything.
Since we KNOW that the pentagon brass all cancelled their flights on 9/11 (admitted to newsweek by the pentagon), and that Condi Rice called Mayor Willie brown and told him not to fly the next morning 9admitted by Willie brown himself), would you support at least putting these people under oath and asking them how they knew not to fly the next day?
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"Modern medicine has many excellent medications to help deal with paranoia and its accompanying delusions. But we're still working on a cure for aimlessness--especially when it's masquerading as autodidacticism. All I can recommend at this point in time is therapy."
Dr. James Edward Wolfe III--American Medical Association.
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Fair enough. I agree completely that some are out to get bush out using anything.
Since we KNOW that the pentagon brass all cancelled their flights on 9/11 (admitted to newsweek by the pentagon), and that Condi Rice called Mayor Willie brown and told him not to fly the next morning 9admitted by Willie brown himself), would you support at least putting these people under oath and asking them how they knew not to fly the next day?
I'm not going to agree with everything you say about a conspiracy, I'm sure there was a reason why Condi called Brown and other flights, if you have been researching then I'm sure you know that we have been tracking terrorist communication for years and threats are made all the time, that being said, if stopped air transportation everytime they heard of a threat our country and the world would be shut down. Does the President (any president) know of threats on a daily basis..of course, but they cannot act on every threat. But since Bush has been in office and since 9/11 I believe Bush has taken every threat seriously and had done something about it, like him or not, I couldn't imagine anyone else doing a better job protecting our country, mistakes are made all the time, but hell, who doesn't make mistakes?
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Since we KNOW that the pentagon brass all cancelled their flights on 9/11 (admitted to newsweek by the pentagon), and that Condi Rice called Mayor Willie brown and told him not to fly the next morning 9admitted by Willie brown himself), would you support at least putting these people under oath and asking them how they knew not to fly the next day?
How come the president flew on 9-11. Isn't he still the head of the military?
I don't buy your story.
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How come the president flew on 9-11. Isn't he still the head of the military?
I don't buy your story.
dude, the implication is that Condi and the pentagon brass knew there would be 4 commercial planes hijacked.
The President flies on air force one.
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I'm not going to agree with everything you say about a conspiracy, I'm sure there was a reason why Condi called Brown and other flights, if you have been researching then I'm sure you know that we have been tracking terrorist communication for years and threats are made all the time, that being said, if stopped air transportation everytime they heard of a threat our country and the world would be shut down. Does the President (any president) know of threats on a daily basis..of course, but they cannot act on every threat. But since Bush has been in office and since 9/11 I believe Bush has taken every threat seriously and had done something about it, like him or not, I couldn't imagine anyone else doing a better job protecting our country, mistakes are made all the time, but hell, who doesn't make mistakes?
Condi said on the stand that she had no one in the administration had any information on any danger that morning.
Heads of several other countries have come out and said they gave very specific information about an upcoming attack to Bush. Two countries even gave the date as 9/10 or 9/11.
Condi lied to the 911 commission. As did Rummy, when he said he had no knowledge of any warning at all. He runs the pentagon. Any info that came through there about 9/11 would stop on his desk.
I want a new investigation because they lied about what they knew. Israel's Mossad warned them and was ignored. They even broke leases and moved israeli companies out of the towers a week before 9/11, because they knew it was coming.
It appears that Bush ignored the very specific warning. I am not blaming bush or accusing him - I would like an impartial investigation to take place so that he could be asked "Did Mossad tell you this, or are they lying?"
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Condi said on the stand that she had no one in the administration had any information on any danger that morning.
Heads of several other countries have come out and said they gave very specific information about an upcoming attack to Bush. Two countries even gave the date as 9/10 or 9/11.
Condi lied to the 911 commission. As did Rummy, when he said he had no knowledge of any warning at all. He runs the pentagon. Any info that came through there about 9/11 would stop on his desk.
I want a new investigation because they lied about what they knew. Israel's Mossad warned them and was ignored. They even broke leases and moved israeli companies out of the towers a week before 9/11, because they knew it was coming.
It appears that Bush ignored the very specific warning. I am not blaming bush or accusing him - I would like an impartial investigation to take place so that he could be asked "Did Mossad tell you this, or are they lying?"
yep yep yep
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I love my govt and I know that 99% of them do the right thing. So my 911 talk is not any kind of anti-repub talk. From interviews, it appears that some dems helped spread incorrect info afterwards as well. Pataki telling the CNN reporter that it's completely normal for concrete to turn into powder in building collapses. pataki telling the CNN reporter that the reason there is 50 feet of moltern metal under a crash site, is that the metal was so hot that it will continue burning for quite some time (6 weeks to be exact).
There is clear proof that Bush was told 9/11 would happen.
There is clear proof that Pentagon brass and others were told "not to fly tomorrow".
The crime scene was never examined for explosives. In fact, it was shipped overseas very quickly.
There was no immediate 911 investigation. it only happened 18 months later when the widows sued and were on TV every day begging for one.
There is a lot we're not being told. If the White house had no involvement, they'd be bending over backwards to convince Americans there was no coverup and no prior knowledge it was coming.
They're lying guys. Don't be scared to admit it.
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Condi said on the stand that she had no one in the administration had any information on any danger that morning.
Heads of several other countries have come out and said they gave very specific information about an upcoming attack to Bush. Two countries even gave the date as 9/10 or 9/11.
Condi lied to the 911 commission. As did Rummy, when he said he had no knowledge of any warning at all. He runs the pentagon. Any info that came through there about 9/11 would stop on his desk.
I want a new investigation because they lied about what they knew. Israel's Mossad warned them and was ignored. They even broke leases and moved israeli companies out of the towers a week before 9/11, because they knew it was coming.
It appears that Bush ignored the very specific warning. I am not blaming bush or accusing him - I would like an impartial investigation to take place so that he could be asked "Did Mossad tell you this, or are they lying?"
Please show me transcrips of this, I do believe they were warned, but they didn't know exactly when...again, they get threats and warnings daily....which one do you take seriously (at that time)?
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I love my govt and I know that 99% of them do the right thing. So my 911 talk is not any kind of anti-repub talk. From interviews, it appears that some dems helped spread incorrect info afterwards as well. Pataki telling the CNN reporter that it's completely normal for concrete to turn into powder in building collapses. pataki telling the CNN reporter that the reason there is 50 feet of moltern metal under a crash site, is that the metal was so hot that it will continue burning for quite some time (6 weeks to be exact).
There is clear proof that Bush was told 9/11 would happen.
There is clear proof that Pentagon brass and others were told "not to fly tomorrow".
The crime scene was never examined for explosives. In fact, it was shipped overseas very quickly.
There was no immediate 911 investigation. it only happened 18 months later when the widows sued and were on TV every day begging for one.
There is a lot we're not being told. If the White house had no involvement, they'd be bending over backwards to convince Americans there was no coverup and no prior knowledge it was coming.
They're lying guys. Don't be scared to admit it.
Do you think if you keep repeating the same thing over and over and over and over and over again that people will start believing you?
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Please show me transcrips of this, I do believe they were warned, but they didn't know exactly when...again, they get threats and warnings daily....which one do you take seriously (at that time)?
Condi's statement tp 911 commission:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/08/rice.transcript/
Very long, but she says there were all sorts of threats but nothing specific for any day.
(http://www.physics911.net/deaheadquartersbriefing.jpg)
http://www.physics911.net/germanintel.htm
German intelligence detected plans for an attack by Arab extremists on the United States, to take place on September 10 or 11, 2001. Israel was aware of the plans and wished the attack to take place without hindrance. The German ambassador informed the President of the US of the impending attacks. He thanked the ambassador and said that he already knew. Subsequently, his administration urgently requested the suppression of information on this warning. The report elaborates that among the various reasons for the attack being encouraged by the US administration was a desire to have a pretext to attack Afghanistan to secure a pipeline route for western oil companies to export oil from the Caspian basin. Despite angry denunciations of the authenticity of the report from various quarters, the German government has to the best of our knowledge not issued a denial of its authenticity. Even if it were to do so, the alleged urgent request for secrecy could provide grounds for such a denial. No other effective refutation of the accuracy of the report has been seen by the editors of this website. Consequently, it is presented for what it is worth as a possibly genuine document of immense historical significance
ISR - Odigo, the instant messaging service, says that two of its workers received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen, and the company has been cooperating with Israeli and American law enforcement, including the FBI, in trying to find the original sender of the message predicting the attack.
11th September Warnings Were Not Ignored by U.S. Authorities
Indeed, there is evidence that the threat was not ignored, at least not in certain selected respects. The San Francisco Chronicle reported one day after the attacks that Mayor Willie Brown received a phone call eight hours before the hijackings from what he described as his air security staff, warning him not to travel by air:
“For Mayor Willie Brown, the first signs that something was amiss came late Monday when he got a call from what he described as his airport security—a full eight hours before yesterday’s string of terrorist attacks—advising him that Americans should be cautious about their air travel… Exactly where the call came from is a bit of a mystery. The mayor would say only that it came from ‘my security people at the airport.’”[116] Later reported in BBC the call to his security detail came from Condi Rice.
San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown was booked to fly from the Bay area to New York City on the morning of September 11.[117] Clearly, it seems that certain high-level U.S. security authorities anticipated some sort of grave danger, and believed it to be urgent, threatening and certainly real enough to inform a U.S. City Mayor about to catch a flight to New York—but not the general public.
The London Times reported that the famous novelist, Salman Rushdie, received a similar warning to avoid U.S. and Canadian airlines. According to Rushdie’s own testimony, the warning came directly from the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA). The Times reports:
“The author Salman Rushdie believes that U.S. authorities knew of an imminent terrorist strike when they banned him from taking internal flights in Canada and the U.S. only a week before the attacks. On September 3 the Federal Aviation Authority made an emergency ruling to prevent Mr Rushdie from flying.”[118]
Another news report records that “the FAA has confirmed it stepped up security levels relating to Rushdie,” but “the airlines weren’t willing to upgrade their security” in relation to the wider public.[119] It is public knowledge that Rushdie is under 24-hour protection of UK Scotland Yard’s Special Branch, and that all his travel plans are approved by the MI5 for domestic travel within the UK, and by the MI6 for international travel. The MI5 and MI6 are the British equivalent of the American CIA. Clearly, it appears that British intelligence anticipated a grave danger, under the guidance of U.S. authorities, and believed it to be urgent, threatening and real enough to inform Rushdie—but once again not the general public.
Another report points to the Pentagon’s dubious role. Newsweek reported that on 10th September 2001, the day before the attacks, “a group of top Pentagon officials suddenly canceled travel plans for the next morning, apparently because of security concerns.”[120] An earlier report by Newsweek, published two days after the attacks, referred to the same event in more detail:
“… the state of alert had been high during the past two weeks, and a particularly urgent warning may have been received the night before the attacks, causing some top Pentagon brass to cancel a trip. Why that same information was not available to the 266 people who died aboard the four hijacked commercial aircraft may become a hot topic on the Hill.”[121]
Apparently, top Pentagon officials had known not only of an imminent threat to “security” in relation to their “travel plans,” but had even anticipated its exact timing and taken measures to protect themselves—but not the general public. Together, these reports strongly suggest that high levels of the U.S. military intelligence community knew something very significant—and took it seriously.
It is noteworthy that these reports also strongly suggest foreknowledge among high-level elements of the U.S. military intelligence community, that attacks would occur mid-September, and even more specifically on the 11th of that month. As WorldNetDaily editor and veteran American journalist Joseph Farah rightly observes:
“Now, you’re probably wondering why Willie Brown and Salman Rushdie [and senior Pentagon officials] are more important to the U.S. government than you and me and Barbara Olson. I’m wondering the same thing…
These selective warnings—and I have no doubt there were many more we have not yet heard about—suggest strongly that the FBI, CIA and other federal agencies had the information, knew something big was up, something that involved terrorist attacks on airliners, but failed to disclose the information to the airlines and the flying public in general. I think heads should roll at the FBI and CIA. I think there ought to be an investigation into what the FAA knew and when it knew it. I think, once again, the federal government has neglected its main responsibility under the Constitution—protecting the American people from attack.”[122]
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Do you think if you keep repeating the same thing over and over and over and over and over again that people will start believing you?
No. I hope you will do your own research and find out for yourself about all of the inconsistencies in the govt's story of the official events.
Do you think newsweek just made up the story about the Pentagon brass knowing and cancelling their flights?
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No. I hope you will do your own research and find out for yourself about all of the inconsistencies in the govt's story of the official events.
Do you think newsweek just made up the story about the Pentagon brass knowing and cancelling their flights?
I think you are convincing no one, irritating a lot of people, and making yourself look a little nutty. Doesn't irritate me, because I am in total control over what I read and respond too, but you sound awfully paranoid to me. I know you will just keep doing what you do and see a conspiracy at every corner, but hey it's a free country and no one is forcing anyone to read this board.
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I think you are convincing no one, irritating a lot of people, and making yourself look a little nutty. Doesn't irritate me, because I am in total control over what I read and respond too, but you sound awfully paranoid to me. I know you will just keep doing what you do and see a conspiracy at every corner, but hey it's a free country and no one is forcing anyone to read this board.
Hey man, it's cool. You base your arguments on me "being nutty". I base my arguments on evidence. Whatever floats your boat.
See, I used to BE you. I used to mock conspiracy nuts. I almost fought one. I'm an intelligent man, I don't fall for things, and I don't buy into much that I cannot prove. But from the evidence available, I believe there are unanswered Qs.
All I want is a new investigation so that the American people can be united in its findings.