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Irwin death, animal world revenge: Greer
The animal world has taken revenge on self-deluded animal tormentor Steve Irwin, according to expatriate Australian academic and writer Germaine Greer.
Writing in the British press following Irwin's sudden death, Greer said she had "not much sympathy" for the naturalist if he was grappling with the stingray that killed him on the Great Barrier Reef.
"As a Melbourne boy, Irwin should have had a healthy respect for stingrays, which are actually commoner and bigger in southern waters than they are near Port Douglas," Greer said in The Guardian.
She described Irwin's behaviour as "bizarre", noting the famed incident when he held his baby son while feeding a crocodile during a show at his Australia Zoo on the Sunshine Coast.
"The whole spectacle was revolting," Greer said.
"The crocodile would rather have been anywhere else and the chicken had a grim life too, but that's entertainment at Australia Zoo."
She dismissed Irwin's explanation that he had the situation under control and could not have slipped or stumbled.
"That sort of self-delusion is what it takes to be a real Aussie larrikin," Greer said.
"What Irwin never seemed to understand was that animals need space.
"There was no habitat, no matter how fragile or finely balanced, that Irwin hesitated to barge into, trumpeting his wonder and amazement to the skies.
"There was not an animal he was not prepared to manhandle.
"Every creature he brandished at the camera was in distress.
"The animal world has finally taken its revenge on Irwin, but probably not before a whole generation of kids in shorts seven sizes too small has learned to shout in the ears of animals with hearing ten times more acute than theirs, determined to become millionaire animal-loving zoo-owners in their turn."
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cold hearted b*tch
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Greer eats beaver.
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hope she gets eaten by a beaver
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what a c-unt. I'm going to eat a huge pork chop today in Steve's memory - a nice "fuck you" to the animal kingdom
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what a retarded bitch. im sure she knows more about them than steve ::) getting 'revenge' on a man who has done more for their preservation and acceptance than anyone ::)
i hope she gets by a truck
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I didnt realize that animals had a grasp on the concept of revenge.
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Fuck that broad......
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I didnt realize that animals had a grasp on the concept of revenge.
No kidding, I didn't know that animals watched him on T.V. either ;D
Greer = Retard of the month, and it's only September 8th
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I didnt realize that animals had a grasp on the concept of revenge.
You should meet my dogs.
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who here in australia live?
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the woman has no clue..... steve never harmed or killed any animal he handled. so what revenge is she talking about.....maybe the stingray could have held him up by his feet. that would be revenge ;D
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I bet she's the type that has conversations with trees on an intellectual level.
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The animal world has taken revenge on self-deluded animal tormentor Steve Irwin, according to expatriate Australian academic and writer Germaine Greer.
riiiight
academic my ass
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Steve was the man. And that woman has her head up her ass. BUT.. Steve definitely harassed the shit out of some of the animals he came upon. Not that I have a real problem with that but he was pushing it and maybe that's what got him. Still sad though.
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riiiight
academic my ass
What are you talking about? Of course she's an academic. She's a retired professor of literature and a celebrated author of several books. You may think she's a bitch because of her views but her career is solid.
Anyway, the guy died doing what he loved. He took untold risks, just like Timothy Treadwell, who was killed and eaten by a bear, and who also put himself into harm's way.
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No kidding, I didn't know that animals watched him on T.V. either ;D
Greer = Retard of the month, and it's only September 8th
September 8th? Are you living three days in advance of us or something?
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September 8th? Are you living three days in advance of us or something?
Lol, some of us only live for the weekend. :)
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What are you talking about? Of course she's an academic. She's a retired professor of literature and a celebrated author of several books. You may think she's a bitch because of her views but her career is solid.
Anyway, the guy died doing what he loved. He took untold risks, just like Timothy Treadwell, who was killed and eaten by a bear, and who also put himself into harm's way.
timothy treadwell was a recovering alcoholic and drug addict who threw caution to the wind and 'played with the bears'. he died from a bear attack after provoking them.
steve irwin was a conservationist with decades of experience with animals. he wrestled with alagators and died from a fluke accident from a stingray which have only killed a few people in history.
dont compair teh two
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The only thing I was comparing was the level of risk both took. You can't tell me that picking up poisonous snakes with your bare hands and chasing crocs and komodo dragons is an afternoon at disneyworld.
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The only thing I was comparing was the level of risk both took. You can't tell me that picking up poisonous snakes with your bare hands and chasing crocs and komodo dragons is an afternoon at disneyworld.
It isn't? I'm gonna cancel my trip then
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The only thing I was comparing was the level of risk both took. You can't tell me that picking up poisonous snakes with your bare hands and chasing crocs and komodo dragons is an afternoon at disneyworld.
for steve irwin(Expert) the risk levels were much lower than for someone who is not an expert
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What she is saying seems essentially right.
That guy who was killed by bears was a lot worse, but it seems like both guys had a genuine love for animals, but lacked the fundamental understanding of the difference between a man and an animal.
Greer makes several good points, eg referring to the "holding the baby and playing with the croc" incident.
Still, as someone pointed out, a cold hearted bitch.
It's alone on the top, I guess. :-\
BTW, too bad about Steve Irwin. I will really miss his enthusiasm and I feel for his family.
YIP
Zack
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That guy who was killed by bears was a lot worse, but it seems like both guys had a genuine love for animals, but lacked the fundamental understanding of the difference between a man and an animal.
ignoring the fact that humans are animals
steve knew the difference between the animals and knew how to deal with various animals
timothy tredwell didn't
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ignoring the fact that humans are animals
steve knew the difference between the animals and knew how to deal with various animals
timothy tredwell didn't
And like animals, when humans perceive they are being attacked or their lives are in peril, they bite back. The point I was making only, is that any time you are around dangerous animals, your chances are grearter of being injured, mauled, devoured, stung, clawed, poisoned, etc...
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And like animals, when humans perceive they are being attacked or their lives are in peril, they bite back. The point I was making only, is that any time you are around dangerous animals, your chances are grearter of being injured, mauled, devoured, stung, clawed, poisoned, etc...
much less if your an expert
steve was
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The only thing I was comparing was the level of risk both took. You can't tell me that picking up poisonous snakes with your bare hands and chasing crocs and komodo dragons is an afternoon at disneyworld.
venomous
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much less if your an expert
steve was
But greater than if you're a sales rep or office manager in a big city. When you play with dangerous animals, who do not live by our rules, you run the risk of losing your life.
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venomous
Thank you. :)
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you're welcome. Although you are much more accurate in your verbage than i usually am
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ignoring the fact that humans are animals
steve knew the difference between the animals and knew how to deal with various animals
timothy tredwell didn't
Obviously a big difference between Tredwell and Irwin.
-Tredwell didn't seem all there, and had some nutty ideas about bears.
Still, I believe that many people living close to animals can get too attached, and start to see (sorry for being vague here) "a soul" in these animals.
I think this is what caused Irwin to repeatedly disregard safety measures.
It would be great to get the input from a dog owner or a horse owner (flower?).
What about this animal attachment? How close do you get to your animals?
I know of beastiality.
YIP
Zack
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Still, I believe that many people living close to animals can get too attached, and start to see (sorry for being vague here) "a soul" in these animals.
It would be great to get the input from a dog owner or a horse owner (flower?).
What about this animal attachment? How close do you get to your animals?
I know of beastiality.
YIP
Zack
Having been around both all my life, yes people get very attached, but the worst thing people do is attach their own emotionality to other creatures. It isn't fair to them and since we're supposed to have the elevated consciousness, it is up to us to read their "needs" and convey our will on their level. That sounds vague too, but a real response would take half an hour... :-\
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Obviously a big difference between Tredwell and Irwin.
-Tredwell didn't seem all there, and had some nutty ideas about bears.
Still, I believe that many people living close to animals can get too attached, and start to see (sorry for being vague here) "a soul" in these animals.
I think this is what caused Irwin to repeatedly disregard safety measures.
It would be great to get the input from a dog owner or a horse owner (flower?).
What about this animal attachment? How close do you get to your animals?
I know of beastiality.
YIP
Zack
Irwin didn't disregard safety measures.
Animals have personalites and emotions. Interpreting their personalities and emotions is the problem.
Steve could interpret them. Timothy Tredwell could not.
Steve did not die from misinterpreting the Stingray. The Stringray was hiding under the sand when he swam over it and it stung him.
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Having been around both all my life, yes people get very attached, but the worst thing people do is attach their own emotionality to other creatures. It isn't fair to them and since we're supposed to have the elevated consciousness, it is up to us to read their "needs" and convey our will on their level. That sounds vague too, but a real response would take half an hour... :-\
Anthropomorphism is teh atribution of humen charateristics to non-humens.
Atributing anger or fear to other animals aint false since nearly all animals have anger or fear. Atributing things like 'sense of fashon' to other animals is false since they don't have any such thing.
Timothy Tredwell was responsible for anthropomorphism. Saying things in the effect of 'the bears missed me'. Steve Irwin wasnt. Steve knew the psychology of various animels and how to interprett theer emotions and movements. If you spent 5 minutes watching his TV show you would realize that.
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Why do you keep harping on this small detail? I know that Treadwell was wonkers and that Steve Irwin wasn't. The only comparison I made between the two is that they both spent a lot of time with dangerous animals, which increased the liklihood that one of these creatures, at some point in time, would be their demise.
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Why do you keep harping on this small detail? I know that Treadwell was wonkers and that Steve Irwin wasn't. The only comparison I made between the two is that they both spent a lot of time with dangerous animals, which increased the liklihood that one of these creatures, at some point in time, would be their demise.
ok
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ok
:)
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Irwin death, animal world revenge: Greer
The animal world has taken revenge on self-deluded animal tormentor Steve Irwin, according to expatriate Australian academic and writer Germaine Greer.
Writing in the British press following Irwin's sudden death, Greer said she had "not much sympathy" for the naturalist if he was grappling with the stingray that killed him on the Great Barrier Reef.
"As a Melbourne boy, Irwin should have had a healthy respect for stingrays, which are actually commoner and bigger in southern waters than they are near Port Douglas," Greer said in The Guardian.
She described Irwin's behaviour as "bizarre", noting the famed incident when he held his baby son while feeding a crocodile during a show at his Australia Zoo on the Sunshine Coast.
"The whole spectacle was revolting," Greer said.
"The crocodile would rather have been anywhere else and the chicken had a grim life too, but that's entertainment at Australia Zoo."
She dismissed Irwin's explanation that he had the situation under control and could not have slipped or stumbled.
"That sort of self-delusion is what it takes to be a real Aussie larrikin," Greer said.
"What Irwin never seemed to understand was that animals need space.
"There was no habitat, no matter how fragile or finely balanced, that Irwin hesitated to barge into, trumpeting his wonder and amazement to the skies.
"There was not an animal he was not prepared to manhandle.
"Every creature he brandished at the camera was in distress.
"The animal world has finally taken its revenge on Irwin, but probably not before a whole generation of kids in shorts seven sizes too small has learned to shout in the ears of animals with hearing ten times more acute than theirs, determined to become millionaire animal-loving zoo-owners in their turn."
Yes of course, the animal kingdom conspired to kill Steve Irwin at that precise time ::)!!
Jeez, sounds like something Jag would write!
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Yes of course, the animal kingdom conspired to kill Steve Irwin at that precise time ::)!!
Jeez, sounds like something Jag would write!
I think Greer *probably* was metaphorically speaking. If not, she's one crazy fcuker.
Right or wrong, it seems like she's metaphorically speaking about a revenge for the animal kingdom, for past "evils" done by Irwin.
YIP
Zack
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1. Greer's just trying to leech onto Irwin's celebrity . . . remind everyone that she's still here and controversial/relevant.
2. If I'd met the youg Germaine Greer, I'd definitely have tried to sleep with her . . . I love it when women get all philosophical in bed. or sleep with you as some kind of a statement. ;D and she used to be kinda attractive.
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I think Greer *probably* was metaphorically speaking. If not, she's one crazy fcuker.
Right or wrong, it seems like she's metaphorically speaking about a revenge for the animal kingdom, for past "evils" done by Irwin.
YIP
Zack
The fish put a "hit" on the Croc hunter!!
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She makes some interesting points
"There was no habitat, no matter how fragile or finely balanced, that Irwin hesitated to barge into, trumpeting his wonder and amazement to the skies.
"There was not an animal he was not prepared to manhandle.
"Every creature he brandished at the camera was in distress.
There's no doubt that Irwin loved wildlife, but he was to loud and full on. There's only so much over enthusiasm one can take.
Sir David Attenborough, now that's more like it
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She makes some interesting points
There's no doubt that Irwin loved wildlife, but he was to loud and full on. There's only so much over enthusiasm one can take.
Sir David Attenborough, now that's more like it
There's a reason for the "Sir"... ;D
Great guy.
Eric Cantona deserves to be "Sir" too IMO. That Karate kick alone was good enough in my book.
Not a ManUnited fan, but I know a decent bloke when I see one.
YIP
Zack
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Stupid slit.
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1. Greer's just trying to leech onto Irwin's celebrity . . . remind everyone that she's still here and controversial/relevant.
2. If I'd met the youg Germaine Greer, I'd definitely have tried to sleep with her . . . I love it when women get all philosophical in bed. or sleep with you as some kind of a statement. ;D and she used to be kinda attractive.
There are many who share GG's views... that animals should be left alone in their environments - that human intervention should be kept to a minimum. Perhaps it's a little unfair to accuse her of leeching off Irwin's celebrity.
(I do know what you mean about the philosophical thing though.)
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Nonsense!!! What is this pigs email? I plan to tell her what a c*nt she is!!!
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Ask any forest ranger in Alaska... :)
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Steve Irwin's death was a freak accident. Anyone who says it was his fault is a dumbass, he didn't even touch the ray. The fish just felt threatened and got a lucky shot at him. :(
I've swam along rays in Florida, they didn't sting me or anything, they did seem irritated sometimes and swam away.
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No one is saying it was his fault and everyone knows it was a freak accident. Germaine Greer just had an issue with his politics concerning the treatment of animals.
I've gone swimming with rays too. They're really passive, sweet creatures and when you touch them they're soft as silk and they even have cute brown eyes too.
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the sad thing is no one w a tv is ever going to look at a ray the same way again.
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(I do know what you mean about the philosophical thing though.)
care to elaborate? something you like to indulge in every now and again? if so, why? I once dated a girl who wanted me to talk when talking was the last thing on my mind.
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There are many who share GG's views... that animals should be left alone in their environments - that human intervention should be kept to a minimum. Perhaps it's a little unfair to accuse her of leeching off Irwin's celebrity.
(I do know what you mean about the philosophical thing though.)
then those peeple ar stoopid. peeple like Steve Irwin edukated teh publik bout teh wild animels so dat they wuld respekt teh wildlife.
edukation is teh most imporetant thing. witout edukation then many peeple wouldent know how to deel wit teh animels in there environment.
u need to reelize that Steve Irwin did nort hert teh animels. he was an expert.
his edukating peeple was actualy very benifitial to wildlife.
duh
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I egrie. Butt sum of teh peeples dont, and fele it is kruel to teh animels to eggspose thim to such distresse for littel reetern.
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I egrie. Butt sum of teh peeples dont, and fele it is kruel to teh animels to eggspose thim to such distresse for littel reetern.
tere retern is teh servival of tere speeces.
duh
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tere retern is teh servival of tere speeces.
duh
what the hell is speeces? everyone knows it's speeshees . . . duh.
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I egrie. Butt sum of teh peeples dont, and fele it is kruel to teh animels to eggspose thim to such distresse for littel reetern.
lol. ;D
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care to elaborate? something you like to indulge in every now and again? if so, why? I once dated a girl who wanted me to talk when talking was the last thing on my mind.
You are just so inquisitive today AG. No, I just meant that I dated my philosophy professor. (After I aced the class and graduated, of course.) :)
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DeeDee
1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
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You are just so inquisitive today AG. No, I just meant that I dated my philosophy professor. (After I aced the class and graduated, of course.) :)
i have an inquiring turn of mind . . . and I've given myself the afternoon off . . . although I have a meeting at 5.
was there something physically redeeming about the philosophy professor? I could never date a woman solely for her brain . . .
and, when I was around 25 i stopped dating women solely for their bodies (just thought I'd throw that in there, in case people think i'm shallow . . .)
Germaine Greer was quite the leggy young thing back in the day . . .
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DeeDee
1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
Germaine speaks out
And in her heyday, bonked all the best. She chewed up and spat out Warren Beatty and told him to get lost. Now she's a grumpy old woman.
She's brilliant, and writes well too. These days she's doing her tv celebrity incarnation.
Could you lot post pix of her in her youth (1960s-70s? Have you found one? I don't know how to do it...
And what she has to say about poor crikey is relevant.
Steve's death made it to the BBC today. It looks like Diana in Australia.
I just hope there is no conspiracy story.
xL
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i have an inquiring turn of mind . . . and I've given myself the afternoon off . . . although I have a meeting at 5.
was there something physically redeeming about the philosophy professor? I could never date a woman solely for her brain . . .
and, when I was around 25 i stopped dating women solely for their bodies (just thought I'd throw that in there, in case people think i'm shallow . . .)
Germaine Greer was quite the leggy young thing back in the day . . .
Good to know you're not shallow. We were concerned. :)
To answer the question, yes, there was a lot that was physically redeeming about him. He was far from the frumpy, elbow patched, pasty-faced stereotype. In fact, he was more the adorable in sweater and jeans kind of professor, and all the girls loved him. But the meeting of the minds was a big part of it...you know how 20-year-old girls are. He gave me the Alexandria Quartet, which remains my all-time favorite book(s) to this day.
But I’m getting that in your original post, you were referring more to “waxing philosophic.” ;)
Ps. Like triple-x Linda, I too am curious about the young Germaine Greer and her legginess, but can't find any pics of her. Did you find them on-line?
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DeeDee
1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
Lol, it takes a little more than scripture to shut me up.
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i have never read the alexandria quartet . . . however, i have read several books by the author's brother, gerald.
haven't looked for pics of greer online . . .
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yes, i was referring more to "waxing philosophic," but I also mentioned sleeping with someone as a statement . . . I think sleeping w a philosophy professor is definitely a statement . . .
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Funny you mention Gerald Durrell in this thread... I understand he was a big animal lover and conservationist, and wrote many books about his experiences.
(At the risk of showing my ignorance, have never been able to plod through any of Germaine Greers tedious works though :P)
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shes an idiot...just a publicity whore
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but tell us how you really feel... :)
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Greer is a feminist whore who hates all people who happened to be born male. Just ignore her. In fact, she wrote a book, "The Boy", which shows pictures of naked 15 year old boys. According to her, this is the "revenge" for all the abuse that the "Patriarchy" has bestowed upon women-kind since the dawn of times. Again, just ignore the cun t. >:(
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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but tell us how you really feel... :)
...and this is (above) is what you get for asking?
Goodness. I'm blown away.
You ignore her then, the rest of us can appreciate her.
xL
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It actually sounds more like you hate women.
Anyway, Greer hates noone, she's just very opinionated and very clever.
(and was very beautiful
xL
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It actually sounds more like you hate women.
Anyway, Greer hates noone, she's just very opinionated and very clever.
(and was very beautiful
xL
I don't hate women, but the female state is a conditione non grata: women are physically and intellectually inferior to men. Period. Where are the female nobelists in physics, chemistry and medicine? Where are the female Fields Medal winners? Do you know why sports are segregated by gender? Because the average male pro athlete can easily defeat the female World Champion at any sport. If women could compete with men, there wouldn't be a need for the creation of an entire political movement(feminism) to demand equality with men.
Germaine Greer is a bitter, spiteful spinster who hates the male gender. She got a cushy academic job and created an entire career out of denouncing the "Patriarchy", and how "all men are potential rapists and murderers"(her words, quoted verbatim). The fact that she shows no sympathy for a man who had a horrible, painful deth goes to show how ethically despicable the woman is. But of course, as a man, I have learned to expect no sympathy or empathy from your gender for anything: women have a habit of trivializing men's pain. Just look at the male mutilation thread at the sex board, and it becomes evident that women are biased towards the well-being of their own gender, and couldn't care less about men's ill-being. Again, your response was exactly as I expected, and I certainly don't expect any woman ever to go on a cruzade for a cause that benefits men. Essentially, I see the relation between the genders as a necessity of nature; it is a cruel imperative of reproduction and nothing else. I will never marry any woman, or socialize with them, and will avoid contact with them as much as possible. I will only relate with your gender when it comes to sexual coitus. A f**k, essentially, is all women are good for.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Blah, blah, blah... ::)
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Blah, blah, blah... ::)
I'll take that as an admission of defeat. 8)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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That bitch is crazy! >:( >:(
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I'll take that as an admission of defeat. 8)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I didn't know we were arguing. ;)
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What if "greer" was killed by a man?
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She would be dead ???