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Title: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: IceCold on September 05, 2006, 08:22:27 PM
http://forum.athletes.com/fitshow/war/war1.htm

his form is suprisingly decent. 
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: Yev33 on September 05, 2006, 08:32:50 PM
His form was awesome when he was doing the 85's, it suffered a bit when he was using the 100's. I must admit though, his form was far better than I thought it would be.
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: alexxx on September 05, 2006, 08:35:12 PM
I can probably do that. I done them with the 60s like it was nothing.
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: HRDCOR on September 05, 2006, 08:36:02 PM
I thought Bob was very personable and good in that clip ---- dont get any ideas Bob !!
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: SteelePegasus on September 05, 2006, 08:38:55 PM
I can probably do that. I done them with the 60s like it was nothing.

Alexxx, what I find interesting is that you talk about your "strength".  Why don't you post a video confirming all of your talk.  Is that too complicated?  I am guessing that you won't....but will keep talking
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: El_Spiko on September 05, 2006, 08:41:15 PM
Sweet Zombie Jesus!
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: Marty Champions on September 05, 2006, 08:55:25 PM
I can probably do that. I done them with the 60s like it was nothing.

i agree us tall people are superiors
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: Bast000 on September 05, 2006, 08:57:34 PM
I don't consider that good form at all.    Using momentum the entire time.   Far better to do it slower with less weight.  Although a heavy cheat set of two is good to include.
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: cqfd on September 05, 2006, 09:05:58 PM
I don't consider that good form at all.    Using momentum the entire time.

Yeah, how much less would they use with perfect form...
But it's probably what works for them.
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: Yev33 on September 05, 2006, 09:08:35 PM
Some momentum is inevitable when doing these especially when you try to keep your arms as straight as possible.
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: adamthetrain on September 05, 2006, 09:18:05 PM
I am not impressed at all!  What exercise is that THE WHOLE-BODY JERK!
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: Alex23 on September 05, 2006, 09:28:49 PM
http://forum.athletes.com/fitshow/war/war1.htm

his form is suprisingly decent. 


Thanks man, I was looking for it...
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: Alex23 on September 05, 2006, 09:29:54 PM
I can probably do that. I done them with the 60s like it was nothing.

Alexxx it was a "Canadian 60"... would be like 25 down here...
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: tommywishbone on September 05, 2006, 09:31:56 PM
Sweet Zombie Jesus.  ;D
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: Yev33 on September 05, 2006, 09:46:33 PM
Alexxx it was a "Canadian 60"... would be like 25 down here...

you mean to say that a lanky kid like Alexxx can't have the same strength levels as one of the strongest PROS? What nonesense. I am sure that Alexxx and Daddywaddy have plenty of video footage proving their superior and god-like strength, they just choose not to share it with us because they are so humble.
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: Big N on September 05, 2006, 10:07:55 PM
I like his shoulder shape with the traps, mine's similar but natural  ;D
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: Peaking at 45 !!! on September 05, 2006, 10:34:09 PM
Form was very sloppy---but great for a heavy cheat set, none the less, very impressive weights !
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: brianX on September 05, 2006, 11:03:28 PM
It's pretty funny when some skinny punk scolds a big guy for not using textbook form. Just look at the kind of form Ronnie uses on his lifts. There is simply no reason for a bodybuilder to use perfect form. Their goal is to stimulate the muscle, not to perform a lift correctly.
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: TheAnimal on September 05, 2006, 11:25:49 PM
It's pretty funny when some skinny punk scolds a big guy for not using textbook form. Just look at the kind of form Ronnie uses on his lifts. There is simply no reason for a bodybuilder to use perfect form. Their goal is to stimulate the muscle, not to perform a lift correctly.
Monster quarter squats and partial bench press
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: Bast000 on September 05, 2006, 11:30:20 PM
It's pretty funny when some skinny punk scolds a big guy for not using textbook form. Just look at the kind of form Ronnie uses on his lifts. There is simply no reason for a bodybuilder to use perfect form. Their goal is to stimulate the muscle, not to perform a lift correctly.


Using better form = more stimulation.  The muscle has to work more, seems fairly logical to me.


Secondly, Ronnie is on growth hormone, how much stimulation does he need?   ::)
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: Count Grishnackh on September 06, 2006, 12:48:02 AM
Bob is turning into a balding, bloated mess. He looks absolutely terrible in those training shots. Like a blow up pool toy with a head.

Some of these fuckers have no idea how stupid they really look.
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: TheEgoCrusher on September 06, 2006, 01:02:11 AM
Johnny probably had to make a special "in-house guest posing appearence" while Bob was doing rear delts.  I figure 15 minutes worth for some enormously rich Cali homosexual guy is worth around $300-400....
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: sandstone on September 06, 2006, 02:55:26 AM
WHEN THE FUCK IS THE FIT SHOW GONNA UPDATE THIER ITUNES PODCASTS!!!
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: gatrainer on September 06, 2006, 06:40:08 AM
Some momentum is inevitable when doing these especially when you try to keep your arms as straight as possible.
if you are keeping your arms straight then you are doing it wrong...using to much of your forearms to hold the weight
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: WOOO on September 06, 2006, 06:54:56 AM
I can probably do that. I done them with the 60s like it was nothing.

number one thing on my wish list = dead alexxx
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: Yev33 on September 06, 2006, 07:53:57 AM
if you are keeping your arms straight then you are doing it wrong...using to much of your forearms to hold the weight
I didn't say hold them perfectly straight, I said as straight as possibe.
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: Playboy on September 06, 2006, 08:00:59 AM
http://forum.athletes.com/fitshow/war/war1.htm

his form is suprisingly decent. 

Poor form. His joints will be fried soon. Jay cutler does no more then 75 pounders and he is ranked #2 in the world.
 
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: the shadow on September 06, 2006, 08:14:15 AM
Poor form. His joints will be fried soon. Jay cutler does no more then 75 pounders and he is ranked #2 in the world.
 
johnnie trained heavy and thats a fact.wat ever suits jackson its ok for him.being rank 2 or rank 10 has no business in differentiating in your training styles.ronnie has always lifted heavy before he became mr olympia..so there alot of guys who trained like pussies and still got big..for eg wheeler lifted like a stoned guy and to me he looked like crap..johnnie rulz and you suck
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: Man of Steel on September 06, 2006, 08:34:19 AM
That pathetic "shoulder" workout is a testament to why drugs and genes are the keys to bb success.  I train 3 times harder than that on an average day.
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: HUGEPECS on September 06, 2006, 08:36:03 AM
I thought Bob was very personable and good in that clip ---- dont get any ideas Bob !!



Bob, that video kicks ass. Good MC
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: the shadow on September 06, 2006, 08:36:33 AM
That pathetic "shoulder" workout is a testament to why drugs and genes are the keys to bb success.  I train 3 times harder than that on an average day.
o rly
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: Man of Steel on September 06, 2006, 08:53:47 AM
o rly

yep rly
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: HUGEPECS on September 06, 2006, 08:55:08 AM
It's pretty funny when some skinny punk scolds a big guy for not using textbook form. Just look at the kind of form Ronnie uses on his lifts. There is simply no reason for a bodybuilder to use perfect form. Their goal is to stimulate the muscle, not to perform a lift correctly.



I'll say amen to that.
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: Man of Steel on September 06, 2006, 09:00:49 AM
It's pretty funny when some skinny punk scolds a big guy for not using textbook form. Just look at the kind of form Ronnie uses on his lifts. There is simply no reason for a bodybuilder to use perfect form. Their goal is to stimulate the muscle, not to perform a lift correctly.

You're exactly right....why lift correctly when genes and drugs are doin all the work for you?
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: sarcasm on September 06, 2006, 09:01:49 AM
You're exactly right....why lift correctly when genes and drugs are doin all the work for you?
be careful MOS, BrianX knows his stuff, i mean he push presses 205 for a couple of reps. ::)
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: Man of Steel on September 06, 2006, 09:04:12 AM
be careful MOS, BrianX knows his stuff, i mean he push presses 205 for a couple of reps. ::)

AHAHAAHAHAHAH!!!!   Thanks for the warning.....wouldn't want that savage beast after me!!
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: texasRUSH on September 06, 2006, 09:13:26 AM
when it picked up the 85's and used them i was shocked...
but the hundi's!?!  ??? :o

remind me to stay outta that man's reach..:D
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: alexxx on September 06, 2006, 09:14:48 AM
when it picked up the 85's and used them i was shocked...
but the hundi's!?!  ??? :o

remind me to stay outta that man's reach..:D

Too late you're already bent over and in launching position waiting for liftoff.
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: rocket on September 06, 2006, 09:17:35 AM
Thought the form was shit.  I do them like that too but I'm under no illusions to the fact it is shit and plenty of momentum involved.   

Works though
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: Man of Steel on September 06, 2006, 09:21:27 AM
Fantastic genes + BB chemicals + 1/4-1/2 reps + skin tight glitter clothing = bb
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: IceCold on September 06, 2006, 11:11:53 AM
That pathetic "shoulder" workout is a testament to why drugs and genes are the keys to bb success.  I train 3 times harder than that on an average day.

sure you do. 

oh, sorry tom platz.

Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: IceCold on September 06, 2006, 11:12:42 AM
Bob is turning into a balding, bloated mess. He looks absolutely terrible in those training shots. Like a blow up pool toy with a head.

Some of these fuckers have no idea how stupid they really look.



somebody just discovered black metal. 
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: Playboy on September 06, 2006, 11:19:03 AM
johnnie trained heavy and thats a fact.wat ever suits jackson its ok for him.being rank 2 or rank 10 has no business in differentiating in your training styles.ronnie has always lifted heavy before he became mr olympia..so there alot of guys who trained like pussies and still got big..for eg wheeler lifted like a stoned guy and to me he looked like crap..johnnie rulz and you suck
Its not about what you push, its about what you look like. If you call swinging the shit our of a pair of 100 pounders good form then I feel sorry for you. Considering Flex Wheeler was a multiple Arnold Classic winner, he needs to take a second seat to no one. Coleman trains heavy but he trains properly and with good form.
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: kyomu on September 06, 2006, 11:19:52 AM
That pathetic "shoulder" workout is a testament to why drugs and genes are the keys to bb success.  I train 3 times harder than that on an average day.
Thats why your shoulder stay the same size.Just overtrained.(No kidding)
Pros know about it very much.
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: Man of Steel on September 06, 2006, 11:49:35 AM
Thats why your shoulder stay the same size.Just overtrained.(No kidding)
Pros know about it very much.

Yeah, that's it.....it's gotta be the "overtraining".
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: Petrucci on September 06, 2006, 12:03:29 PM
i posted that video on the Johnny jackson lift claims thread that sarcams posted...While not being perfect form, i think its very good for the kind of weight he is using..
For what i could saw, no one here do that much of weight on lateral raises, so it seems obvious that no one here can do that weight with BETTER form than that...
May not work for others, but it works for him, and i give the guy props for that (and for the fact he do that with this kind of monster weight!!!)
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: Man of Steel on September 06, 2006, 12:08:11 PM
i posted that video on the Johnny jackson lift claims thread that sarcams posted...While not being perfect form, i think its very good for the kind of weight he is using..
For what i could saw, no one here do that much of weight on lateral raises, so it seems obvious that no one here can do that weight with BETTER form than that...
May not work for others, but it works for him, and i give the guy props for that (and for the fact he do that with this kind of monster weight!!!)

That vid further justifies that most bbs workout regimens and training methods are crap.   Form is irrelevant (almost all pro bb training vids show this), reps and weight are irrelevant (most pros could work construction and pack on quality mass)....it's just good genes, good drugs and "heave ho" through a couple hours each day. 
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: Mars on September 06, 2006, 12:09:32 PM
Very true, it probably only matters for the natural.
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: HERACLES on September 06, 2006, 01:02:52 PM
http://forum.athletes.com/fitshow/war/war1.htm

his form is suprisingly decent. 



Thats alot of weight for that movement...wow..Johnie is just a beast...plain and simple... naturally a strong guy.
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: eastcoastbbman on September 06, 2006, 01:15:05 PM
I don't consider that good form at all.    Using momentum the entire time.   Far better to do it slower with less weight.  Although a heavy cheat set of two is good to include.


yes, apparently johnny will never get big shoulders doing his laterals THAT way!!!! youre an idiot!
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: eastcoastbbman on September 06, 2006, 01:19:50 PM

Using better form = more stimulation.  The muscle has to work more, seems fairly logical to me.


Secondly, Ronnie is on growth hormone, how much stimulation does he need?   ::)


lmao!!! my god!!! what you DONT know about bodybuilding at the higher levels could fill a library!!!! you, i say again , are an idiot!!!
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: sarcasm on September 06, 2006, 01:21:26 PM

lmao!!! my god!!! what you DONT know about bodybuilding at the higher levels could fill a library!!!! you, i say again , are an idiot!!!
yeah Bast don't you know that pro bb'ing is all about hard training, chicken and rice and lots of rest. ::) also saying your prayers and taking your vitamins.
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: eastcoastbbman on September 06, 2006, 01:26:14 PM
yeah Bast don't you know that pro bb'ing is all about hard training, chicken and rice and lots of rest. ::) also saying your prayers and taking your vitamins.


im just saying...pinning the way johnny looks on a substance ( ie. growth hormone), or any substance...just speaks volumes on how little this man understands the big picture.
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: Jr. Yates on September 06, 2006, 01:26:41 PM
yeah Bast don't you know that pro bb'ing is all about hard training, chicken and rice and lots of rest. ::) also saying your prayers and taking your vitamins.
major sarcasm, hence the name. what is it all about then??
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: sarcasm on September 06, 2006, 01:27:34 PM
major sarcasm, hence the name. what is it all about then??
you're right jr. Yates, drugs have absolutely noithing to do with how these guys look. ::)
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: Jr. Yates on September 06, 2006, 01:29:29 PM
you're right jr. Yates, drugs have absolutely noithing to do with how these guys look. ::)
well of course drugs are the biggest factor. But Jay,Ronnie and all of em still have to train and diet. or do they just do the drugs and *poof* instant Mr. O competitors?
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: Bast000 on September 06, 2006, 01:31:19 PM

lmao!!! my god!!! what you DONT know about bodybuilding at the higher levels could fill a library!!!! you, i say again , are an idiot!!!

well it's too bad i don't value your opinion.
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: Bast000 on September 06, 2006, 01:33:35 PM
I never said this type of training won't work.  It works.  I could go do laterals with heavy dumbells in this fashion and it would work, or I could use less weight and do them more controlled, and it would work as well, just better.

Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: eastcoastbbman on September 06, 2006, 02:18:29 PM
I never said this type of training won't work.  It works.  I could go do laterals with heavy dumbells in this fashion and it would work, or I could use less weight and do them more controlled, and it would work as well, just better.



fair enough. i just get sick of people witnessing what i call "controlled cheating" and calling it "no good". its actually a great way to put more stress/resistance/trauma on a muscle than can be achieved using textbook form....when its done right. johnny is absolutely doing it "right" with the 85's. in that clip.
Title: Re: johnnie jackson - 100 lbs. laterals
Post by: Jr. Yates on September 06, 2006, 02:25:26 PM
Jonnie sure is powerful. love watching him train.