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Hey guys and gals.
I currently take 1 or 2 meal replecement shakes (kinda weight gainers) a day+ on gym days a whey shake after gym and b4 bed, for sum1 trying to put on weight do u think it would be better for me just to drop the whey shakes and take the meal replacement after gym and b4 bed aswell as couple through the day (i train early evening)??
My whey shake has protein per shake 24.3g (1 scoop) while my weight gainer has 32.4grams protein (its 2 scoops tho)??
davie
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ALSO:
The weight gainer scoops weigh 120g compared to whey protein shake s weighs 30g's. I know thats probs why theres more protein in the weight gainer and if i used equal weights id get more protein from the whey (97.2g's for 120g's of powder), but id go thru teh whey to quickly, so do u think i should continue using the weightgainer as i have been but also use it instead of the whey after gym and b4 bed??
davie
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Anyone??
davie
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buy protein and add your own carbs. save a lot of money that way. gainers run out fast and cost a lot of money. it's just a bunch of junk carbs with some protein. yes they have more calories but that's because the servings are bigger and the tub runs out much faster.
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buy protein and add your own carbs. save a lot of money that way. gainers run out fast and cost a lot of money. it's just a bunch of junk carbs with some protein. yes they have more calories but that's because the servings are bigger and the tub runs out much faster.
The man's right. Just buy some carb powder and controll the amount of calories in your shake. 50-50 post workout and lay off the carbs before bed. Cheaper and better controll of your calories.
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Well this shake is about 32.8 protein 62 carbs per shake. The thing is buying one tubb weight gainer and 1 tubb whey powder costs about the same each month as just getting 2 tubbs of weight gainer a month.
With that in mind which do u think i should do??
davie
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Hey guys and gals.
I currently take 1 or 2 meal replecement shakes (kinda weight gainers) a day+ on gym days a whey shake after gym and b4 bed, for sum1 trying to put on weight do u think it would be better for me just to drop the whey shakes and take the meal replacement after gym and b4 bed aswell as couple through the day (i train early evening)??
My whey shake has protein per shake 24.3g (1 scoop) while my weight gainer has 32.4grams protein (its 2 scoops tho)??
davie
It depends on how many calories you need. If your gainer is throwback one (from the 80s/early 90s), it's likely carb-heavy. If you need the extra calories, simply spike your gainer with a scoop of protein powder.
Based on the numbers you've provided, spiking your gainer would give you a drink with 57 grams of protein. As long as you're not adding a lot of blubber, you can consume three servings of "spiked" weight gainer a day (one after your workout).
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I cant really afford at themo to buy 2 tubbs of gainer +tubbs of whey so i think il just get the gainer?!
So i should have one gainer shake during day sum time as a meal, one after training and one just as i go to bed??
Each shake will contain 62g's carbs and 32g's protien tho il; add coupe eggs/cottage cheese to shake and blend it to up the protein to about 45g's........That sound ok??
davie
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sounds like too many carbs. yes weight gainers are expensive. if you want 45 or more grams of protein from the weight gainer it will be finished in no time. thermogenics aren't that good. if you drop your calories by 250 it'll be just as good. some of the stuff T A has been posting is pretty good. Not about the krispy kreme diet. about how much to eat. after you make your "virgin gains" the 20 or 30 pounds or whatever that you gain when you first start lifting the gains slow down. trying to feed the muslcle more and more won't help it grow just make you fat. if your lifts are increasing and your muscles are getting more dense and tape measurements going up then don't worry about your weight.
Exactly you should be on a 100% protein diet or else you will get fat and you won't gain muscle mass. My diet consists of 10 chicken breast, 5 cans of tuna, and 3 protein shakes, and vitagro postworkout.
vitagro is key.
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OK i hear ya, but il be spending £40 on supps wether i get 1 gainer and 1 weigh, or just 2 gainers, a month.
Iv sometimes ahd probs getting in ewnough daily calories/meals. I wanna make sure im really forcing the food in and feeding the mjuscles, i have pretty fast metabolism and think i can handle the extra carbs that the gainers has+i think i need the extra protein the gainer has.
Im in gym 3 times a week +hav rugby 3 times a week (2 training sessions and a game), so im burning up a fair few calories+i hav pretty fast metabolism, so can u see y i think i can handle/need the extra carbs aswell as protein?!
Diet looks roughly like this.
1. cereal+4 egg ommelette (i know cereal aint great but iv always loved it).
2. gainer shake with added protein, fruit.
3. 2 baked potatoes with can of tuna.
4. cup of whole wheat pasta+ cans tuna.
GYM
5. gainer shake with added protein (45g's protein, 62g's carbs).
6. evening meal e.g. salmon and boiled potatoes adn veggies.
7. gainer shake with added protein.
BED
davie
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how many calories is that?
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Exactly you should be on a 100% protein diet or else you will get fat and you won't gain muscle mass. My diet consists of 10 chicken breast, 5 cans of tuna, and 3 protein shakes, and vitagro postworkout.
vitagro is key.
.....are you insane? or just kidding? :-\
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Haha actually i dont know the exact calories that is, i can work out the carb/protein numbers though.
Its....roughly 230 grams protein AND roughly 253 g's carbs but thats not including the one/two baked potatoes at lunch b/c i have no idea what the carbs numbers are in a baked potato?!
I weigh about 185 at 6'1/6'2.
I thought this would be ok?!
davie
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you should know best. make sure you don't get too fat.
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Exactly you should be on a 100% protein diet or else you will get fat and you won't gain muscle mass. My diet consists of 10 chicken breast, 5 cans of tuna, and 3 protein shakes, and vitagro postworkout.
vitagro is key.
what a tool.
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Do u really think that rough daily meal plan will lead to a great nicrease in excess fat (taking into acocunt im also training rugby wise 3 times a week including intense 80 minute game)????
davie
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OK i hear ya, but il be spending £40 on supps wether i get 1 gainer and 1 weigh, or just 2 gainers, a month.
Iv sometimes ahd probs getting in ewnough daily calories/meals. I wanna make sure im really forcing the food in and feeding the mjuscles, i have pretty fast metabolism and think i can handle the extra carbs that the gainers has+i think i need the extra protein the gainer has.
Im in gym 3 times a week +hav rugby 3 times a week (2 training sessions and a game), so im burning up a fair few calories+i hav pretty fast metabolism, so can u see y i think i can handle/need the extra carbs aswell as protein?!
Diet looks roughly like this.
1. cereal+4 egg ommelette (i know cereal aint great but iv always loved it).
2. gainer shake with added protein, fruit.
3. 2 baked potatoes with can of tuna.
4. cup of whole wheat pasta+ cans tuna.
GYM
5. gainer shake with added protein (45g's protein, 62g's carbs).
6. evening meal e.g. salmon and boiled potatoes adn veggies.
7. gainer shake with added protein.
BED
davie
The diet looks good, if your not getting fat. If you find the wast line getting bigger, lower the carbs before bed. Otherwise you sound like you need that and more with the intense workout you do. You're what 6'2" @185. Defiantly need more calories post workout. IMO
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Well im just startinhg that diet so hopefull itl be ok,witht he position i pay i do alot of running in the game both in attack and defence.+our training sessions can be pretty intense with lots diamond runs/sprints/contact drills etc.
So buffbodz u dont think thats enough calories post workout??
davie
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Also thought i should mention that on days im not in the gym but have rugby training im gonna take gainer as usual at meal 2+straight after training (like i would after the gym), but not bother with a shake before bed.
davie
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Shit son, das a lotta weight gainer. Heres hopin you dont have a stroke.
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Shit son, das a lotta weight gainer. Heres hopin you dont have a stroke.
Good posts up until now, that made no sense?!
davie
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Well im just startinhg that diet so hopefull itl be ok,witht he position i pay i do alot of running in the game both in attack and defence.+our training sessions can be pretty intense with lots diamond runs/sprints/contact drills etc.
So buffbodz u dont think thats enough calories post workout??
davie
For your size, no. If you were like 5'7" @ 185 that would be fine, but you have allot of frame to fill out. Your activity level seems high, so you're probably burning off any excess calories, otherwise you'd get fat. I'd up the post workout hour to the shake and a meal and if you have 3 hours in between that before bed, than to keep yourself in an anabolic state, a before bed shake, not weight gainer. A mixed protein, whey, egg, casein should keep you from going into a catabolic state till morning. Natural bodybuilders have a harder time keeping muscle than juicers, duh, and for all the reasons stated, if your not getting fat you'll only get more lean mass that we all strive for. Nothing is set in stone. Try my way for a couple of weeks and see if it doesn't go to building muscle, not fat. You can always change back.
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Cheers buddy
davie
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Save your money for a whey Isolate.
Make your own gainer with protein and maltodextrin http://www.1fast400.com/?products_id=881 and that's it. Just watch out with sweetend protein,
sugar-tast and suger doesn't blend well. Use a banana or other fruit, try the skin of lemon/citron/orangejuice or make something up.
BTW,
my point of view is to get as many carbohydrates out of normal meals, and try to tend to keep the use of extra supps as low as possible.
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I think most my carbs are from normal meals?!
Has been no too bad.
davie
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You really have to check the labels on the weight gainers. Tons of sugar for one. The other thing make sure you take enough scoops for the protein you need. For instance it may say each serving gives you 40 rams per serving but if you look at the breakdown your taking like a lot of scoops. Your better off getting a quality whey that would give you say 45 grams in two small scoops. and eat enough meals througout the day
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So u think the prob is the chance of excess fat from the sugars??
With my metabolism and active lifestyle i think il b ok.
davie