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1) Are you okay with the CIA now admitting to having secret prisons where the restrictions of law, rules of war, and Geneva convention do not apply?
2) Would you send your son to fight a war in Iran?
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1. No...but not surprised
2. No...way in hell
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1. No... It along with things like torture make us more unsafe... We're not going to have any grounds to be making any demands when the tables are flipped and sure it can be said that other counties just ingore it and do this themselves but well there was a bit of a difference when the world looked at it as wrong... Whoever did this shit before was not likely to have the sympathy of the world community. But well now that the high and mighty, always right United States of America has made it Kosher... well what's that say? Where's that going next? It's this kind of shit that's turing the world against us. It's way to Nazi-esk.
2. I don't know. If I had a son/daughter, I would not want him/her to go... But obviously I would not stop either from going.
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1) Are you okay with the CIA now admitting to having secret prisons where the restrictions of law, rules of war, and Geneva convention do not apply?
2) Would you send your son to fight a war in Iran?
1) Yes. Necessary evil if you ask me. We should behave like the Soviets used to. Kill 1 of ours, we kill 10 of yours.
2) Depends. Are you assuming I have more than 1 son? Are you assuming I'm still at an age able to procreate?
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1) Yes. Necessary evil if you ask me. We should behave like the Soviets used to. Kill 1 of ours, we kill 10 of yours.
2) Depends. Are you assuming I have more than 1 son? Are you assuming I'm still at an age able to procreate?
How old are you???
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1. No, my grandfather went to Germany to fight the kind of animals that practice torture. Its a damn shame.
2. No kids, but I sure as hell wouldn't let them serve in Iran unless there was evidence they were a real threat to our country. George Bush sent our troops into harms way already on a lie, they sign up to protect us and this is how there repayed???
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How old are you???
23
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23
What branch did you serve in?
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What branch did you serve in?
I'm not ex-military. Where did you get the idea I was?
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Our men were sent to Afghan. because of a bin Laden tape with a man who was not bin Laden.
our men were sent to Iraq for WMD, then later the reason changed to 'bringing them democracy', even though you have 100 dying a day now, and the rest hiding in their homes unable to get to work and get the economy back in shape.
Our men are one *incident* away from attacking iran. The reason? They talk tough and don't like us. Hell, they want to debate us. The leader of Iran supposedly has a lot to say about 911 that the American people would find quiiiiiiiite interesting!
I guess it's easier to say "we don't negotiate with terrorists- we bomb them!" than to look at the facts.
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Our men are one *incident* away from attacking iran. The reason? They talk tough and don't like us. Hell, they want to debate us. The leader of Iran supposedly has a lot to say about 911 that the American people would find quiiiiiiiite interesting!
I guess it's easier to say "we don't negotiate with terrorists- we bomb them!" than to look at the facts.
Hmm, yeah that's the only reasons... a high possibility of constructing nuclear weapons, possibly funding/equiping hezbofaggors, saying they want Israel wiped off the map, Islamist nature, breeding ground for terrorism, equiping iraqi insurgents... hmm these points have NOTHING to do with it.
Can you imagine if Mr. Blair or Bush said "Aaah, you know what? France is an illegal state, they need wiping off the map!"? ::)
Secondly, every terrorist alive should be skinned.
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I'm not ex-military. Where did you get the idea I was?
This did... You're passionate about this war being the right thing, "TIME TO TAKE ACTION, THE JIGS UP"... Willing to make hardcore statements that will result in many many Americans being killed. So when are you signing up Nordic? I mean if you feel this strongly that this war and a war with Iran is right, well, why aren't you signing up? I had this Nordic Superman image going on here, not a CHICKENHAWK...
All the EU does is "threaten" Iran with more deadlines:
"oohh... you're not playing nice? In that case we'll give you ANOTHER DEADLINE! Hahaha you hate deadlines bitches!" ::)
Time to take action, the jigs up.
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This did... You're passionate about this war being the right thing, "TIME TO TAKE ACTION, THE JIGS UP"... Willing to make hardcore statements that will result in many many Americans being killed. So when are you signing up Nordic? I mean if you feel this strongly that this war and a war with Iran is right, well, why aren't you signing up? I had this Nordic Superman image going on here, not a CHICKENHAWK...
Well actually... I was enrolled as a precaution to me failing at school and college. Fortunately I exceeded my expectations.
However, if there is ever a time/need for national service I would proudly step up to the plate.
I like to feel like what I am doing now will result in a greater good than what would of resulted from me joining the services in the past.
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Well actually... I was enrolled as a precaution to me failing at school and college. Fortunately I exceeded my expectations.
However, if there is ever a time/need for national service I would proudly step up to the plate.
I like to feel like what I am doing now will result in a greater good than what would of resulted from me joining the services in the past.
Oh... WELL NOW THIS TAKES THE FUCKING CAKE... How is it that you don't think we're in a time of need for National Service? WHAT is it that YOU are doing now that is for a "Greater Good" than our troops? What do you mean "enrolled as a precaution" How the hell do you enroll as a precaution? You either sign on the dotted line or you don't... I hadn't heard of the enrolled as a precaution program... Tell us about it Mr. Chickenhawk so willing to demand war with Iran but too busy with your so important (for the greater good) job.
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Well in Britain, the members of the force come to schools as you are leaving before you get your final grades offering career prospects in the military. We leave at 16.
I put my name down for the engineers department. I also put my name down for 2 colleges.
Fortunately like I said I did very well, and went to college.
I do actually think it's time to step upto the challenge and handle Iran. If this includes starting the requirment for national service, then I for one vote for it.
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It's an accident waiting to happen if we attack Iran - if they attack someone first then yes, I would want them to suffer, but to just go in headlong just because they talk tough doesn't justify war in my eyes. That's exactly what they want too.
I agree with bringing back National Service in Britain - it would get all those chavs and doleites off the streets.
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It's an accident waiting to happen if we attack Iran - if they attack someone first then yes, I would want them to suffer, but to just go in headlong just because they talk tough doesn't justify war in my eyes. That's exactly what they want too.
I agree with bringing back National Service in Britain - it would get all those chavs and doleites off the streets.
"If they attack someone first then yes"
Oh right, so you think cure is better than prevention? I quote:
"Prevention is better than cure."
We cannot afford to give them enough ground to let them attack. Remember they are highly likely to be developing a nuclear arsenal. This is extremely serious, and past just "tough talking"...
When your kids get vapourised by some mad man in iran will you then think to yourself: "Oh shit yeah... prevention is better than cure. This could of prevented this."
One of the greatest men of the past century said:
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." - Sir Winston Churchill
Stop appeasing these low lives. Believe it or not, even your neglible opinion has some global weight in the situation.
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Nordic, you forgot to mention what it is you do that is so above serving?
"A majority of Britons believe Tony Blair government's foreign policy has increased the risk of terror attacks and want the country to distance itself from America and set a timetable for troop withdrawal from Iraq, an opinion poll has found.Nearly three quarters of the public (73 per cent) believe that the risk of terror attacks on Britain had increased significantly due to the government's foreign policy, especially its support for the Iraq invasion and refusal to demand a ceasefire by Israel in the recent war against Hezbollah in Lebanon, the poll published in the Times found.
Sixty-two per cent agree that "in order to reduce the risk of future terror attacks, the Government should change its policy, in particular by distancing itself from America, being more critical of Israel and declaring a timetable for withdrawing from Iraq".
Women (66 per cent) and Liberal Democrat voters (74 per cent) agree with this view particularly strongly.
"-- Poll taken with 1,502 adults on September 6, 2006
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In the UK, an opinion poll in the Times newspaper this week found that 51% of those questioned saw Tony Blair as a US poodle - although 47% trusted him to do the right thing. An overwhelming 86% wanted more time for weapons inspections, and only 25% thought enough evidence had been found to justify a war.
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The poll points to what will one day be regarded by historians as Blair's great error: his decision to align himself unflinchingly with the U.S. neoconservatives in their "war on terror."
Opposition parties said that the government was in "meltdown," as it grappled with a wave of resignations over Blair's continuing leadership
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Hey Nordic, Did you get that memo ??? LOL
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downing_Street_memo
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1. yes no problems think we need more torture places.
2. no- has nothing to do with the war but as my only son I would not want him to go but if he wanted to I would support his choice and accept it and pray.
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Most people are appeasers, only thinking about the next day. I tend to look further into the future, a goverment should infact do this. People are listening to the requests of muslims too much, in an attempt to be "the last one eaten by the crocodile".
Why don't these news papers ask:
"Do you think lax immigration, especially from islamic countries into britain has increased the risk of terror attacks?"
The majority will say FUCKING HELL YES!
The newspapers are also appeasers.
I can't believe my ancestors and the ancestors of my allies died for us to act like appeasing apologist morons.
Churchill would be sickened by the way it all turned out... >:(
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Still not getting what it is you do that's above/more important than serving... This war is so important to you... Come on, please tell us what job it is you have that becons your duty to the "Greater Good" as you put it.........at....23...ye ars old..... :-\ You're willing to beat your chest like crazy, but it won't be you going into Iran... Appeasment.... SHIT... You're taking the same BULLSHIT quotes from Bush's speech to make your points... OHHHHHH!!!! You're a rightwing pundit? That's your greater good? LOL... Nordic, serving the greater good... of course he wasn't even sure he could get into college but he's landed himself in a spot at 23 where he's serving a greater good for Britain than those who are serving...
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Still not getting what it is you do that's above/more important than serving... This war is so important to you... Come on, please tell us what job it is you have that becons your duty to the "Greater Good" as you put it.........at....23...ye ars old..... :-\ You're willing to beat your chest like crazy, but it won't be you going into Iran... Appeasment.... SHIT... You're taking the same BULLSHIT quotes from Bush's speech to make your points... OHHHHHH!!!! You're a rightwing pundit? That's your greater good? LOL... Nordic, serving the greater good... of course he wasn't even sure he could get into college but he's landed himself in a spot at 23 where he's serving a greater good for Britain than those who are serving...
My employer is a american company.
Show me where bush has quoted Churchill, or used any of the quotes in this post. I'd like to read them.
You believe my opinions only have credability if I join the services? So... no one who hasn't been in the services can't have opinions on war? Kinda like you can't judge a pro bodybuilder unless you are a pro bodybuilder? ::)
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My employer is a american company.
Show me where bush has quoted Churchill, or used any of the quotes in this post. I'd like to read them.
You believe my opinions only have credability if I join the services? So... no one who hasn't been in the services can't have opinions on war? Kinda like you can't judge a pro bodybuilder unless you are a pro bodybuilder? ::)
I don't recall the wording - was his speech 3 days ago I think. Compared bin Laden to Hitler and himself to Neville/Churchill in a position to stop him
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I don't recall the wording - was his speech 3 days ago I think. Compared bin Laden to Hitler and himself to Neville/Churchill in a position to stop him
I didn't know Bush compared himself to Churchill? ???
If that is true, then Bush is the biggest fucking idiot alive today. He's certainly NO Churchill.
f**k me... it's arrogant to even COMPARE yourself to Churchill... it's for other people to make comparisons...
It's like me comparing myself to Jesus...
Fucking hell I can't get over how rediculous this is if it is true :o
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I didn't know Bush compared himself to Churchill? ???
If that is true, then Bush is the biggest fucking idiot alive today. He's certainly NO Churchill.
f**k me... it's arrogant to even COMPARE yourself to Churchill... it's for other people to make comparisons...
It's like me comparing myself to Jesus...
Fucking hell I can't get over how rediculous this is if it is true :o
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/02/20040204-4.html - 2004
bush likens his tough journey to Churchill's quite often. This week I think he was referring to how churchil stood up to hitler, just as he is standing up to bin laden. i will try to dig up monday's speech.
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http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/02/20040204-4.html - 2004
bush likens his tough journey to Churchill's quite often. This week I think he was referring to how churchil stood up to hitler, just as he is standing up to bin laden. i will try to dig up monday's speech.
Hmm... i'm not impressed with Bush over this >:(
I can accept relating the situations to each other, but the personal comparisons you say he makes are disgusting.
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1) Are you okay with the CIA now admitting to having secret prisons where the restrictions of law, rules of war, and Geneva convention do not apply?
2) Would you send your son to fight a war in Iran?
Funny how these questions come up when Bush is in office, it's not like these prisons haven't been around forever.....of course I'm okay with it. As for my, I would leave it up to him and pray he makes it home alive!!
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Funny how these questions come up when Bush is in office, it's not like these prisons haven't been around forever.....of course I'm okay with it. As for my, I would leave it up to him and pray he makes it home alive!!
Dude, Clinton was a bag of shit - let's be clear there.
The prisons have gone up greatly under Bush. Of course they were wong under bubba and they're equally wrong under bush.
Mr I, have you heard what they do to people there? they hold people under water, they beat them, they starve them, they use temperature extremes... why? Because "regular prisons don't give us enough intel". tell me, what good info is khalid sheikh mohammed going to give you after 5 years of torture, that he couldn't give up after 4?
I think this is a really big case of it being okay as long as it's not you. If you happened to be arrested for something, let's just say a terrorist opened a phone book and pointed to your name and said 'yeah, i worked with that guy' and the luck of the dice led you to a CIA interrogation room... would anal penetration be an acceptable way of asking YOU questions?
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My employer is a american company.
Show me where bush has quoted Churchill, or used any of the quotes in this post. I'd like to read them.
You believe my opinions only have credability if I join the services? So... no one who hasn't been in the services can't have opinions on war? Kinda like you can't judge a pro bodybuilder unless you are a pro bodybuilder? ::)
Not an exact quote from Bush, more of the Administration Message for the week. And it's been spewed all week from the right. That Churchill Quote has been all over the place on the right this week. After Bush likened the fight we're in now to the stuggle Churchill had. I think it was actually Donald Rumsfeld this week that used that same exact quote from Churchill. This all comes right at the same time they move the fight from "the war on terror" to the war on "islamic facism" Bush compaired the press/anti-war crowd to the appeasers... Just today Giuliani calle Bush America's Churchill.... It's the message of the week as handed from the Beast to Rove to Cheney to Bush to every neocon pundit.
Oh PS... I didn't say you couldn't have your opinion on war... I'm saying you're a Chickenhawk for being such a vocal warmonger having never served. Invade Iran.... Invade Pakistan... you say... Fine that's your opinion you are entitled to it... Doesn't mean you're not a Chickenhawk, because that is exactly what you are. You believe so strongly in this aggression, but just not strong enough to actually take up the real fighting.... Some else can do that and you'll just sit here and talk the toughguy talk and give some bogus "i'm doing a greater good for an AMERICAN company" ::) As if the troops don't have other important things they could be doing ::) You believe this strongly about this war, you should be signing up fucker.
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Not an exact quote from Bush, more of the Administration Message for the week. And it's been spewed all week from the right. That Churchill Quote has been all over the place on the right this week. After Bush likened the fight we're in now to the stuggle Churchill had. I think it was actually Donald Rumsfeld this week that used that same exact quote from Churchill. This all comes right at the same time they move the fight from "the war on terror" to the war on "islamic facism" Bush compaired the press/anti-war crowd to the appeasers... Just today Giuliani calle Bush America's Churchill.... It's the message of the week as handed from the Beast to Rove to Cheney to Bush to every neocon pundit.
Oh PS... I didn't say you couldn't have your opinion on war... I'm saying you're a Chickenhawk for being such a vocal warmonger having never served. Invade Iran.... Invade Pakistan... you say... Fine that's your opinion you are entitled to it... Doesn't mean you're not a Chickenhawk, because that is exactly what you are. You believe so strongly in this aggression, but just not strong enough to actually take up the real fighting.... Some else can do that and you'll just sit here and talk the toughguy talk and give some bogus "i'm doing a greater good for an AMERICAN company" ::) As if the troops don't have other important things they could be doing ::) You believe this strongly about this war, you should be signing up fucker.
isn't it time for you to have a nice long cry over steve irwin?
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When it comes to voting on going into war, i think the vote of someone who served should be worth about 3 times more than someone who didn't.
Look at the administration -
Bush- slipped out of nat'l guard duty
Cheney- I don't think he served
Rummy - I know he didn't serve
Condi - college professor at 22 or something, right? never served.
Until you lay on the ground and fear you're about to be ended by enemy gunfire, you can never fully comprehend war. Very rarely will you see someone who has served, screaming for immediate war and discounting the value of negotiation.
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Sodimy is not acceptable... It makes me question the sanity of the people who did it..... But since i have personally served in the military of the US... i see nothing wrong with beating the living shit out of these camel jockey towel headed SAND N*GGERS Gimmie a break if my battle mates are going down from mines, grenades and the rest of the shit these scumbags use.... And i get the chance to interrigate one of these bastards he's talking or im ripping off his fingernails. cutting his eyelids, beating him with my hands, cutting his tounge.... damn man id be getting buck on these fools.. Imagine what they do to our soldiers, they beat them, rape our women soldiers... they'd be lucky if they werent thrown to the guard dogs. or shot in the nuts. PRAY FOR OUR TROOPS TO COME HOME ALIVE.... THERES NO RULES WHEN IT COMES TO LOVE OR WAR!!!!!!!!
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When it comes to voting on going into war, i think the vote of someone who served should be worth about 3 times more than someone who didn't.
Look at the administration -
Bush- slipped out of nat'l guard duty
Cheney- I don't think he served
Rummy - I know he didn't serve
Condi - college professor at 22 or something, right? never served.
Until you lay on the ground and fear you're about to be ended by enemy gunfire, you can never fully comprehend war. Very rarely will you see someone who has served, screaming for immediate war and discounting the value of negotiation.
so much for Abraham Lincoln--one of the two greatest/best presidents we ever had.
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so much for Abraham Lincoln--one of the two greatest/best presidents we ever had.
I didn't say they get NO vote. I said their counterparts WITH military experience should have a tad more decision making power.
Bush & Co approach the war in terms of economics. Other leaders approach it from experience. Those who use economics to make decisions are more likely to approve a war if the long term NPV deems it worth it. War vets will do more to ensure the men they govern don't have to go thru the same hell they did.
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I didn't say they get NO vote. I said their counterparts WITH military experience should have a tad more decision making power.
Bush & Co approach the war in terms of economics. Other leaders approach it from experience. Those who use economics to make decisions are more likely to approve a war if the long term NPV deems it worth it. War vets will do more to ensure the men they govern don't have to go thru the same hell they did.
although I'd be fine w your system as I come from a family in which many serve(d) . . . not only are you delusional, you have no sense of the constitution.
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although I'd be fine w your system as I come from a family in which many serve(d) . . . not only are you delusional, you have no sense of the constitution.
LOL Obviously, one person one vote. I didn't mean there should be actually applied, sorry if it came across that way. perhaps it's that the people should be smart enough to elect a person who will bring in military experience on his staff. Or perhaps congress needs to sack up and quit voting party line.
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\ perhaps it's that the people should be smart enough to elect a person who will bring in military experience on his staff.
thought we already established that was stupid . . . Lincoln-great pres USG=great general, lousy pres. Where's your sense of history?
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isn't it time for you to have a nice long cry over steve irwin?
I'm not in the least bit bothered to admit I have done exactly that... You on the other hand have to make your points with statements like this... Translation: I don't have shit to refute you ;D
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I'm not in the least bit bothered to admit I have done exactly that... You on the other hand have to make your points with statements like this... Translation: I don't have shit to refute you ;D
if i'd read your gibberish in the first place, maybe . . .
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thought we already established that was stupid . . . Lincoln-great pres USG=great general, lousy pres. Where's your sense of history?
Neither man had the time, money, or technology to take out iran. Which one would have been more likely to do it? I do not know.
I think you're railroading the actual topic here.
Is torture cool? Would you send your son to die?
And, how can one consier his country "superior" if he condones torture?
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Neither man had the time, money, or technology to take out iran. Which one would have been more likely to do it? I do not know.
I think you're railroading the actual topic here.
Is torture cool? Would you send your son to die?
And, how can one consier his country "superior" if he condones torture?
no, torture is not cool. and i do not condone it. but if you put yourself in a position in which the Geneva convention no longer protects your rights . . . I don't really give a flying fukc about what happens to you.
if my son was in the army, and if his commander-in-chief sent him to Iran, he would go to Iran. Anyone who knows the army knows that.
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no, torture is not cool. and i do not condone it. but if you put yourself in a position in which the Geneva convention no longer protects your rights . . . I don't really give a flying f**k about what happens to you.
if my son was in the army, and if his commander-in-chief sent him to Iran, he would go to Iran. Anyone who knows the army knows that.
What's really sad is that you're so much better at just being a smart ass. Your arguments suck. Now I know why you resort to being a smart ass so often :P If only idiots like you and Intenseone would also post some eye candy with your retarded words too, it wouldn't be so fucking lame.
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What's really sad is that you're so much better at just being a smart ass. Your arguments suck. Now I know why you resort to being a smart ass so often :P If only idiots like you and Intenseone would also post some eye candy with your retarded words too, it wouldn't be so fucking lame.
why don't you stick to crying hun? you talking about anything martial just doesn't seem right.
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no, torture is not cool. and i do not condone it. but if you put yourself in a position in which the Geneva convention no longer protects your rights . . . I don't really give a flying f**k about what happens to you.
"Put yourself into a position in which Geneva no longer protects..."
Remember, the US ousted the Taliban despite the Taliban's offer to give up Osama. The US just had to deliver some proof OBL was involved - which they never had.
So the men captured on the battlefield in Afghanistan. What did they do to the US? Assuming our eyes tell the truth and OBL tape was faked, we invaded a country with zero evidence of guilt. We ousted the govt for protecting a guy we had no proof did anything wrong. And anyone who was captured on the field fighting in their own country against an invader with zero proof for one man living here...
Does that pass the smell test?
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why don't you stick to crying hun? you talking about anything martial just doesn't seem right.
Is that all you got lol
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1) Are you okay with the CIA now admitting to having secret prisons where the restrictions of law, rules of war, and Geneva convention do not apply?
2) Would you send your son to fight a war in Iran?
Rob...your phones r tapped...
mine already r :D
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Rob...your phones r tapped...
mine already r :D
Because I exercise my freedom of speech? I've never made an international call in my life.
I thought they only tapped international calls...
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Because I exercise my freedom of speech? I've never made an international call in my life.
I thought they only tapped international calls...
riiight...lol
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oo btw..a phone switch works kinda like an ethernet switch..not really hard to tap anyone.. :)
ph # = ip addy
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that federal ethics oversight committee, set up by the 911 commission to prevent abuses, showed up to work today only to discover the white house didn't reserve any money for them.
And they're so darn eager to investigate that warantless wiretapping deal.
Speaking of, I hear they upheld that judges' ruling that it's unconstitutional. bravo.