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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: jaejonna on September 07, 2006, 11:32:29 AM
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ITEM 1
AMENDMENT OF SECT 1.7
Amendment of section 1.7 of the IFBB Pro League rules. Athletes WILL be allowed to make appearances on behalf of companies they represent and/ or as individuals to: (including but not limited to) non –sanctioned events, expo’s, guest posing, appearances, seminars, openings, etc. As IFBB athletes are listed as “independent contractors” by our own IFBB by laws and therefore cannot be limited in their ability to make a living from being a professional.
Athlete would be required to be a IFBB athlete in good standing, and any and all promotional items, advertisements, etc linked to said event(s) would require that athlete be billed and represented as an IFBB athlete.
Is this a provision to the current IFBB rule book that if sanctioned would allow athletes to compete in the PDI without fear of not being able to compete in the IFBB ??
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No, it's got nothing to do with COMPETING in non-sanctioned events...
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It's pretty obvious no one in the IFBB gives a rat ass about competing in the PDI at this point.
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So then Lee can go to the PDI, guest pose, promote himself and his products in the lobby and still be able to do the Olympia, and be judged fairly?
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That would be tough to do, being that the PDI show is BEFORE the meeting where my agenda gets voted on...at THIS point, if he were to do that, he would be suspended.
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Hold the meeting early. Teleconferencing has come a long way!
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Hold the meeting early. Teleconferencing has come a long way!
very true.
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Hold the meeting early. Teleconferencing has come a long way!
This won't help with Lee's "infection". So he still won't be on the stage anyway.
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Does it matter, those same laws sgo in the same book that forbids using steroids
... hahaha monster no regard for the law hahaha
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It's pretty obvious no one in the IFBB gives a rat ass about competing in the PDI at this point.
YEAH....I dont know what I was thinking....thanks Chick for talking sense into me.
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Hold the meeting early. Teleconferencing has come a long way!
That would require actual knowledge of the teleconferencing technology..
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Hold the meeting early. Teleconferencing has come a long way!
It's not my meeting to hold...it's the IFBB Board of Governors meeting, thats where these get presented and voted on.
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Forget the rules, Chick do you think an athlete like Lee should be able to compete in both the NOC and Mr. O...if it was up to you ?
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Forget the rules, Chick do you think an athlete like Lee should be able to compete in both the NOC and Mr. O...if it was up to you ?
Yes, all petty bullshit aside! Do you?
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If I owned the IFBB...no.
As it is...I could care less. There isn't any money to be made anywhere else anyways....meaning: even if guys were allowed to compete elsewhere...I doubt many would.
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If I owned the IFBB...no.
As it is...I could care less. There isn't any money to be made anywhere else anyways....meaning: even if guys were allowed to compete elsewhere...I doubt many would.
But if you owned it would you make sure the athletes are paid more so they don't feel the need to venture outside of the IFBB?
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If I owned the IFBB...no.
As it is...I could care less. There isn't any money to be made anywhere else anyways....meaning: even if guys were allowed to compete elsewhere...I doubt many would.
why would you not let them compete somewhere else ? the "i could care less/ no money" argument doesnt explain the rationale... i know if I owned the IFBB I would let them compete cause it would give other org. a chance to expand the sport, without doing any work.... in the phamaceutical business they do awareness campaigns for stuff like say, diabetes..they raise awareness so people go to the Dr. and get prescribed the drug. Why doesnt the IFBB follow that same mentality...create an increased awareness in the sport over the whole population so that the market is larger, if you guys are the better org. , people will recognize that anyways..
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why would you not let them compete somewhere else ? the "i could care less/ no money" argument doesnt explain the rationale... i know if I owned the IFBB I would let them compete cause it would give other org. a chance to expand the sport, without doing any work.... in the phamaceutical business they do awareness campaigns for stuff like say, diabetes..they raise awareness so people go to the Dr. and get prescribed the drug. Why doesnt the IFBB follow that same mentality...create an increased awareness in the sport over the whole population so that the market is larger, if you guys are the better org. , people will recognize that anyways..
Sure, Microsoft got huge, made thousands of other companies rich and still stayed the biggest. But people needed software. It improved their lives.
Unlike software, the demand for bodybuilding is already as high as it can get, and allowing other organizations to come in would not increase the size of the pie, it would just give the IFBB a smaller piece of it. Bodybuilding will always have a fringe following. Any getbigger knows that most people find a professional BB's body to be gross, and that's just their in-season look!
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Sure, Microsoft got huge, made thousands of other companies rich and still stayed the biggest. But people needed software. It improved their lives.
Unlike software, the demand for bodybuilding is already as high as it can get, and allowing other organizations to come in would not increase the size of the pie, it would just give the IFBB a smaller piece of it. Bodybuilding will always have a fringe following. Any getbigger knows that most people find a professional BB's body to be gross, and that's just their in-season look!
I dont think BB is doing itself right by marketing guys like Ruhl and Cutler ..those guys are gross ... but there is a whole bunch of people waiting to discover the sport...
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why would you not let them compete somewhere else ? the "i could care less/ no money" argument doesnt explain the rationale... i know if I owned the IFBB I would let them compete cause it would give other org. a chance to expand the sport, without doing any work.... in the phamaceutical business they do awareness campaigns for stuff like say, diabetes..they raise awareness so people go to the Dr. and get prescribed the drug. Why doesnt the IFBB follow that same mentality...create an increased awareness in the sport over the whole population so that the market is larger, if you guys are the better org. , people will recognize that anyways..
It absolutely explains the rational....
There are only a handful of "best in the world" out there...no one really cares to spend money/ support the rest, so it's a HUGE advantage for the IFBB to keep the best in THEIR company...not spread them out so that anyone else can make money for themselves...it's basic business 101.
MY issues are with making it a win/win for the IFBB and the athletes...So far, I've been very successful in getting changes made in the athletes best interests, and making more money for them in the process.
The whole world knows that BB exsists...more federations isn't going to make them like it anymore than they do....we need to appeal to our OWN fans, first and foremost...not worry about the general public which isn't interested anyway.
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I dont think BB is doing itself right by marketing guys like Ruhl and Cutler ..those guys are gross ... but there is a whole bunch of people waiting to discover the sport...
Even the so-called aesthetic guys are considered gross in the mainstream. I know that's hard to believe, but it's true. Hell, even large natural guys you may see at the gym are not that well liked. The preferred "look" for the fans can vacillate between freaky and aesthetic all it wants..neither appeals to the average Joe. The IFBB knows that. So does Chic, it would seem.
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It absolutely explains the rational....
There are only a handful of "best in the world" out there...no one really cares to spend money/ support the rest, so it's a HUGE advantage for the IFBB to keep the best in THEIR company...not spread them out so that anyone else can make money for themselves...it's basic business 101.
MY issues are with making it a win/win for the IFBB and the athletes...So far, I've been very successful in getting changes made in the athletes best interests, and making more money for them in the process.
The whole world knows that BB exsists...more federations isn't going to make them like it anymore than they do....we need to appeal to our OWN fans, first and foremost...not worry about the general public which isn't interested anyway.
I can compare this is something similar to the NFL. When Vince tried the XFL...it seemed to open a new door but it only ended up hurting the players in the end....just like the WBF.
I can understand how a federation of any (sport/industry) would not wanting it's peeps dabling into another competitor's venue. It's no different than an IBM employee not affiliating itself with Apple in any way.
What I don't like...is the thought that there's only "one" option. There should always be a free trade industry where anyone that has the knowledge, money, & know how can feel free to start their own organization. A monoply does not nor does it ever benefit the little guy down in the trenches.
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No, it's got nothing to do with COMPETING in non-sanctioned events...
You are wrong, Chick it says "(including but not limited to)" and " etc." By virtue of omission, "Competing" would have to be included. Loose wording, won't hold up in court, Lee can compete, and, as you say, "case closed."
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I can compare this is something similar to the NFL. When Vince tried the XFL...it seemed to open a new door but it only ended up hurting the players in the end....just like the WBF.
I can understand how a federation of any (sport/industry) would not wanting it's peeps dabling into another competitor's venue. It's no different than an IBM employee not affiliating itself with Apple in any way.
What I don't like...is the thought that there's only "one" option. There should always be a free trade industry where anyone that has the knowledge, money, & know how can feel free to start their own organization. A monoply does not nor does it ever benefit the little guy down in the trenches.
Can the IFBB be accused of starting a monopoly in a court of law. They do seem to unfairly interfer with other organizations trying to get started, even on this board.
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It absolutely explains the rational....
There are only a handful of "best in the world" out there...no one really cares to spend money/ support the rest, so it's a HUGE advantage for the IFBB to keep the best in THEIR company...not spread them out so that anyone else can make money for themselves...it's basic business 101.
MY issues are with making it a win/win for the IFBB and the athletes...So far, I've been very successful in getting changes made in the athletes best interests, and making more money for them in the process.
The whole world knows that BB exsists...more federations isn't going to make them like it anymore than they do....we need to appeal to our OWN fans, first and foremost...not worry about the general public which isn't interested anyway.
those bastards.... >:(
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YEAH....I dont know what I was thinking....thanks Chick for talking sense into me.
Thats funny, I thought you were not competing because you hurt your arm. Or was it because of me? Or what was it again?
It's pretty funny, i got off the phone with soemone yesterday, and they noticed that nobody talks about vinny anymore. Oh, and that somebody, was a somebody....
Chick really talked alot of sense into you, you are back to obscurity.
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the general public which isn't interested anyway.
Dont expect the consumer to not be interested, that also is in business 101...larger market means larger profit shares..
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Dont expect the consumer to not be interested, that also is in business 101...larger market means larger profit shares..
Enthusiasm is great, but BB has been around for awhile now. People don't want it.
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Thats funny, I thought you were not competing because you hurt your arm. Or was it because of me? Or what was it again?
It's pretty funny, i got off the phone with soemone yesterday, and they noticed that nobody talks about vinny anymore. Oh, and that somebody, was a somebody....
Chick really talked alot of sense into you, you are back to obscurity.
Go back to crying for love and support on mayhem
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Go back to crying for love and support on mayhem
aahahahahaha Rhino is quite a little bitch isnt he
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YEAH....I dont know what I was thinking....thanks Chick for talking sense into me.
i thought you got hurt. i thought you signed a contract. mosnter spinless guy
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The PDI is all a wait and see Venture at present , the biggest hurdel is the preceived loss of possible income by competting with the PDI --- Lees income will not faulter if he competes with the PDI as he derives his income from other sources than just that of Compettition winnings !!
It is intresting though that this is actualy up for reveiw or debate !!
Bet it doesnt get passed but !!!!
Monopolys perfer that status at all costs !!
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When are you people going to learn that the IFBB don't care about BBs,it's only concern is MONEY.If as they say they have the athletes best interest at heart then for fucks sake pay them more and look out for medical problems.Think of the Money Joe and Ben make and fat promoters and with no heavy drug use either.
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Oh you should hear some of the shit going now. Now AMI is threating MD that if they cover the NOC they cannot cover the Olympia at all. If MD does not cover the NOC you will see MD at the Olympia. The revocation their press passes areonly temporary. AMI is also threatening some advertisers supporting the NOC and PDI by preventing them from advertising in their publications. Tell me if AMI is not afraid of the PDI. Huge pussy pull shit like this.
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Oh you should hear some of the shit going now. Now AMI is threating MD that if they cover the NOC they cannot cover the Olympia at all. If MD does not cover the NOC you will see MD at the Olympia. The revocation their press passes areonly temporary. AMI is also threatening some advertisers supporting the NOC and PDI by preventing them from advertising in their publications. Tell me if AMI is not afraid of the PDI. Huge pussy pull shit like this.
Sources?
because that activity worded like you said is 100% ilegal and easily enforced.
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IFBB has been illegal for so long now no one cares.The athletes know talk and walk.This shit has been going on forever.And Chick knows it.IMO.
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Stomping on the Athletes I won't deny. But what Keith was talking about was breaking an easily enforceable 5th admendment right. Freedom of the press.
You can't shut out a press source without a MAJOR backlash in ALL the media and the courts.
If the IFBB is doing this ALL the major media groups would jump on the band wagon and crush the idiot who tried. The press has to have the 5th amendment free and clear to survive so they will band together and beat the hell out of anybody who infringes on it.
One way to get Bodybuilding into the Mainstream Media market.
Forgive me if I got the admendment incoorect, I am not an American
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aahahahahaha Rhino is quite a little bitch isnt he
A bitch that could bitch slap your ass.
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A bitch that could bitch slap your ass.
I wouldnt let you hit a girl though rhino ...well actually srg deez nuts is a bitch that needs a good beat down hahahaha
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Go back to crying for love and support on mayhem
What ar you, some creepy stalker, following me from board to board??? Thats really weird, what's the matter? Jealous people support me, and you don't even have the balls to say who you are? Loser.
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What ar you, some creepy stalker, following me from board to board??? Thats really weird, what's the matter? Jealous people support me, and you don't even have the balls to say who you are? Loser.
thats sean gays altered ego ...the first one got too big ...
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Oh you should hear some of the shit going now. Now AMI is threating MD that if they cover the NOC they cannot cover the Olympia at all. If MD does not cover the NOC you will see MD at the Olympia. The revocation their press passes areonly temporary. AMI is also threatening some advertisers supporting the NOC and PDI by preventing them from advertising in their publications. Tell me if AMI is not afraid of the PDI. Huge pussy pull shit like this.
So now you're a spokesman for MD!
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Stomping on the Athletes I won't deny. But what Keith was talking about was breaking an easily enforceable 5th admendment right. Freedom of the press.
You can't shut out a press source without a MAJOR backlash in ALL the media and the courts.
Forgive me if I got the admendment incoorect, I am not an American
The denial of a press pass has nothing to do with "freedom of the press". Being a journalist does not give you a right to access any event.
The First Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that "Congress shall make no law...abridging the freedom...of the press.". This provision now protects the press from all government censorship.
It was enacted so that the US could differntiate itself from the governement of England who had a long history of prosecuting anyone who criticized the British Crown and nothing to do with the coverage of a bodybuilding show, depite some people believing that one of the Founding Father's was an advocate of physical culture.
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The denial of a press pass has nothing to do with "freedom of the press". Being a journalist does not give you a right to access any event.
The First Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that "Congress shall make no law...abridging the freedom...of the press.". This provision now protects the press from all government censorship.
It was enacted so that the US could differntiate itself from the governement of England who had a long history of prosecuting anyone who criticized the British Crown and nothing to do with the coverage of a bodybuilding show, depite some people believing that one of the Founding Father's was an advocate of physical culture.
I understand that.
I was referring to the fact that Keith posted that AMI would not allow MD to cover the Olympia at all. This goes well beyond press passes because that means they won't even be allowed onto the premises. How else can you ensure MD doesn't but their own tickets and take photos as fans. No Olympia coverage at means they cannot even interview their own contracted athletes. I was trying to find out who the source was of such information, action like this can be big news in a bad way.
But thanks for the history lesson.
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couldn't be further from the truth....MD, or their writers/ photographers are not banned from the show/ building, etc.
They have just been denied having the best seats in the house, a courtesy given to the media by the promoter to cover the show and give material for the mags.
As I stated before, obtaining press passes is a priviledge, not a right...
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I understand that.
I was referring to the fact that Keith posted that AMI would not allow MD to cover the Olympia at all. This goes well beyond press passes because that means they won't even be allowed onto the premises. How else can you ensure MD doesn't but their own tickets and take photos as fans. No Olympia coverage at means they cannot even interview their own contracted athletes. I was trying to find out who the source was of such information, action like this can be big news in a bad way.
But thanks for the history lesson.
Keith also said he knows someone who had spent $100K to authenticate a strand of hair that at most would be worth $1000.
He is a good guy but I think he's too trusting and accepts what people say because he's a straight talker himself and doesn't expect people to lie to him.
I'm sure his source this time has the intitials WD rather than MD.
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couldn't be further from the truth....MD, or their writers/ photographers are not banned from the show/ building, etc.
They have just been denied having the best seats in the house, a courtesy given to the media by the promoter to cover the show and give material for the mags.
As I stated before, obtaining press passes is a priviledge, not a right...
There is a saying " The Truth Hurts"
And in this case MD,s negativity of the O last year was based on truth and it hurt AMI, so in responce they are trying to hurt them back with in the boundaries of legal liability as best as they can !!
Funny how they have taken this as PERSONAL rather than Constructive Criticism of the event !!
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Keith also said he knows someone who had spent $100K to authenticate a strand of hair that at most would be worth $1000.
He is a good guy but I think he's too trusting and accepts what people say because he's a straight talker himself and doesn't expect people to lie to him.
I'm sure his source this time has the intitials WD rather than MD.
;)
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What ar you, some creepy stalker, following me from board to board??? Thats really weird, what's the matter? Jealous people support me, and you don't even have the balls to say who you are? Loser.
Rhino......
The only reason you're still doing the show is because quite frankly, you have no-where else to go.
You have absolutely no chance of turning pro however Galanti will most likely win the Master Nationals and turn pro cumulating a great career. I'm glad that he realized that he was being suckered and got out while the getting was good.
The thread you created on Mayhem for positive support isn't going to help. You are still going to get blown out of the water and walk home with nothing but a handshake and a pat on the butt. You're a good bodybuilder but not good enough to be a Pro-Bodybuilder. I'm sorry but even the janitor will make more money from this show than you will
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If I owned the IFBB...no.
As it is...I could care less. There isn't any money to be made anywhere else anyways....meaning: even if guys were allowed to compete elsewhere...I doubt many would.
Bob - being that you are on your way to being responsible for another persons life (your girl is pregnant), you may want to learn proper grammer so that you teach it to your kid...if you could care less...you would...the proper form is "I could not care less" as in...even if I tried with all of my might and wits, i cannot manage to care even one iota more than I do now, so therefore, I could not care less. get it Bob?
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Rhino......
I'm sorry but even the janitor will make more money from this show than you will
You should know. Vince clean up in lobby!
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If I owned the IFBB...no.
As it is...I could care less. There isn't any money to be made anywhere else anyways....meaning: even if guys were allowed to compete elsewhere...I doubt many would.
Chick, I respect what you've accomplished with your physique and went on record as stating that your win earlier this year was completely deserved based on the merits of your physique.
But as athlete's rep it seems with this PDI thing you're representing the interests of the IFBB above that of the athletes. What gives? Do you think if you favored IFBB guys being able to cross federations and compete someone in the IFBB would hold it against you as a competitive athlete? Or have you really internalzied the point of view of the IFBB interests?
One of the things that makes the Union I belong to with my daily job so strong is that our reps are willing to go all the way for us. They can see management's point when that point is valid, and they'll help us understand it if they think we should, but they're first and foremost in our--labor's--corner. As I'm sure you and Shawn think you guys are too. But from where I sit as a fan, it looks like power has co-opted you guys.
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I completly disagree...I am upholding the interests of the bodybuilders...as a whole.
So far...1 guy has expresses an interest in competing in other federations....ONE.
Until it's made known to me that there are supporting numbers of athletes with the same wishes...the rule wont be challenged.
I've offered to have a anonymous vote taken at the athletes meeting on the matter...if the majority wants to challenge it, I have no problem with presenting it on their behalf.
You are under the assumption that this is a big issue with the IFBB pros...it's not.
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I'm rooting for Rhino to come in ripped at the NOC. He'll never be a flex wheeler, and he'll be the first to admit that. But for a guy that works full time kicking ass in high finance to compete against guys like Sami and Priest... that's a dream come true for him. I wish him the best of luck up there. He never won an IFBB pro card, but he won a NABBA show, is now a PDI Pro, has a great family life, is financially set, and truly enjoys his life.
You're a good bodybuilder but not good enough to be a Pro-Bodybuilder. I'm sorry but even the janitor will make more money from this show than you will
Rhino may or many not finish in the $ at the NOC - but he has done pretty darn well with endorsements this year. For a guy that only competes in BBing for a hobby/PT gig, he has some decent companies on his side :) check it:
http://240fm.com/london/index2.htm
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I completly disagree...I am upholding the interests of the bodybuilders...as a whole.
So far...1 guy has expresses an interest in competing in other federations....ONE.
Until it's made known to me that there are supporting numbers of athletes with the same wishes...the rule wont be challenged.
I've offered to have a anonymous vote taken at the athletes meeting on the matter...if the majority wants to challenge it, I have no problem with presenting it on their behalf.
You are under the assumption that this is a big issue with the IFBB pros...it's not.
Chick, you know more of the guys than I do, and you know more of them better.
But one thing that comes through with guys I know is FEAR.
The IFBB is the only meal ticket for anyone involved in professional bodybuilding who doesn't have something else going on (i.e., a job outside the industry). Jobs INSIDE the industry are predicated on contest placings (MuscleTech isn't going to write a check for some guy who places 15th all the time), so anything perceived as potentially threatening those contest placings is avoided.
Which makes me wonder how honest the guys are being with you. Maybe you're right. Maybe they're happy with what the IFBB has to offer; maybe they're willing to work from within the organization for change; maybe they really think PDI will crash and burn.
But then again, if they consider you--rightly or wrongly--as "in the pocket" (so to speak) of the IFBB, they'll be reluctant to bring this up with you. For the IFBB pros I know, this IS a big issue, but they're being smart and watching what unfolds.
If PDI is successful, meaning, in part, it proves that it's here to stay, I think we'll see an exodus of IFBB athletes to its shows in the next 2-3 years. Guys are scared to speak up or test new waters now, and I can't say I blame them. Lee Priest is in a unique position: towards the end of his career, branching out into other endeavors, secure, and always outspoken (sometimes to a fault).
I have heard stories from insiders (not just athletes who felt they were screwed) of "higher ups" erasing scorecards and penciling in guys higher. I have seen many contests where the athletes of prominent sponsors have placed quite high (higher than they should have, in my estimation). I have watched the Olympia be a contest for third place the last five years, and before that a contest for second for six. I am watching the threads between AMI and MD and can't believe Pecker is so thin-skinned that he has his staff go after Blechman or, if it isn't Pecker ordering it, that the staff members at Flex feel they have to "protect" their boss. All the shit anyone ever talked about the Weiders, I don't recall in the 20 years I've been following FLEX going after any other magazine like that.
Time will tell.
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I think he is a helluva man also :-*