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As the 5 year anniversary is just hours away, i'm sure we all remember where and what we were doing that very day and that same hour.
I was on my way to work and I always listened to talk radio. But for some reason, i wanted to play some cd's i just burned the night before. so i did that instead. When i got to work, everyone was talking about an "accident" happend in NY. I went to the break room and turned on CNN and right before my eyes, I saw the second plane hit the tower! My jaw just dropped and i stood in disbelief (along with the whole world) for the next 20 minutes.
Tell what and where you were at that time.
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I was teaching middle school. Kids were crying. Entire school, every teacher and kid sat quietly with classroom doors locked, watching the news, while security locked down the grounds and grabbed kids one-by-one for parents. Something like 2/3 of the parents came and picked their kids up.
Somber day. Some fascinating footage here:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1350815371737518499&q=911+power+hour&hl=en
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I remember sleeping in that day......I got up, turned on my PC, got on the web and the first thing I see is an image of smoke coming out of the Towers........I'm thinking, "WTF happened?".......the headline read, "America Under Attack", or something to that effect.
I couldn't believe anyone could be so heartless, so evil. I was so fucking upset.
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I remember that I was working on a computerproblem at one of our customers.
They had the radio on and I heard it - I froze! It was very scary, even thought
I don't live in America. I also remember that I was the only one really reacting
on the news. It was all kind of rumors on the news about what was going on,
on the news about that time it happened.
A very scary moment... and the world have never been the same.
We should all take a moment and reflect on the people that died in that tragedy.
djohnsen
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i was working for Client Logic at that moment. one guy comes to me and says, and aircraft crashed into the WTC... we had a TV in the office and I remember that it looked "unreal" like watching a movie.
At that point we were all sure it was an accident so we went back to work, untill the sec. airplane hit the WTC.
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I was at work. One of my friends called me and told to watch the news. At first everyone thought it was Osama binladen.
Very tragic occasion, hope it never repeats
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I was at work. One of my friends called me and told to watch the news. At first everyone thought it was Osama binladen.
Very tragic occasion, hope it never repeats
what do you mean...at first everybody thought it was Osaman Bin Laden?
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what do you mean...at first everybody thought it was Osaman Bin Laden?
Don't wanna make this a political debate... I'll save that for the general board. Want to keep it sweet for people here. But bin Laden's name was on the TV before the 4th plane even crashed. There's alot of evidence that the towers were brought down by a hell of alot more money, manpower, and munitions than those 19 idiots had. Do some research. You're not gonna like where it leads, but it is out there if you're looking.
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I was home sleeping through the attacks. Woke up late morning to hear the news.
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On the way to Vegas it was creepy as hell seeing all the casinos with American flags or God Bless America on their signs instead of fucken Siegfried and Roy.
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It was morning and I was at home. Saw it on the news.
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i was in the house doing normal things and someone phoned me up and told me to put on the news and i couldnt believe what i was seeing,i sat and watched,not believing my eyes and then the other plane crashed into the other tower,it was then i realised it wasnt an accident and i wondered what kind of people would be so evil and crazy to do something like that,whoever was responsible for that is utter scum.
but what i remember most is the shock i felt on that day,im from england and i felt so sorry for the people of new york, it was a horrible day
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i was in bed but couldnt sleep it was around midnight. turned the tv on (normally something i dont do) and it was all over the news showing the buildings with smoke pissing out of them...
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I was driving home from work when it came on the radio.
For years foolish Americans, most of them from New York, have been funding the IRA - who for the past few decades have been bombing England and murdering totally innocent men, women and children. So i'm GLAD 911 HAPPENED as now that has all stopped. Justice at last.
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Was driving to Tyson's Corner (which is approximately 10-15 miles from the Pentagon) when I heard that a plane had struck the WTC. Caught glimpses of it at Circuit City, where I was picking up and item for a customer, and on my way to Sterling I heard the second tower had been hit. My wife worked 1 mile from the Pentagon in Crystal City at the time so I tried to call her, but lines at that time were already jammed at in the DC area.
Eventually we were send home from work and I finally saw my wife at home and we watched the rest of the day like everyone else.
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I had just layed to rest my Uncle the day before. It was a nice Military Service. He had been a Marine. When the first plane crashed I was on my way to my sisters to visit with her and my mother and discuss other things regarding my uncle. I had the radio on and the music was interupted by the DJ to report the first plane. I got to my sisters to find her and my mother crying...the 2nd plane had just hit. I sat with them a while in disbelief and then and retrieved my children from school. Unfortunately one of the children's parents in my son's class was on Flight 11. I did a lot of thinking and re-evaluation of my life from that day forward and spilled out some thoughts onto a piece of paper.
Why am I so special?
I found myself driving home from work today listening to the radio as I would any other day…….but it isn’t any other day. It is Thursday, September 13, 2001. Only two days after the unleashed horror on The World Trade Center, The Pentagon, American Airlines flight #11 and flight #77, along with United Airlines flight #175 and #93.
A song comes on the radio. It’s a mix of the events of these horrors and the singer Jewel’s “Hands” song. I am once again overcome with the most grief I have ever experienced in my life. I am crying so hard that I have to pull over. Hiding my face in my hands so that I wouldn’t be seen by the cars that are really going by to fast to even notice me. How could something so devastating happen in what we call a “civilized” world? Who could be so inhuman and monstrous to do such acts of evil? My head is spinning and then along with all these questions and thoughts, I have guilt. Why am I so special? What spared me, my family and my friends from these horrendous events? A zip code? A trip unplanned?
Our lives are supposed to go on unfeared, but it will not. I feel nothing but fear and guilt because my life is just supposed to just go on. “Don’t succumb to the fear these terrorist are working so hard to put us through” is what we are told, but can we? Can we really? Before 8:30 a.m. Tuesday we could. We lived in somewhat of a fantasy world where we could be untouched by such things. This kind of terror could only happen away from home, and even then we would be shocked at such things. Now we have been exposed to the rash reality that we are not as invincible as we thought.
I get back on the road looking around at the traffic around me. “How are we doing this?” I ask myself. “How are we getting up and going off to work or school as if nothing happened?” We talk about it in work and at school. Talk about the horror and devastation and we get angry and we cry, but then we go on with our work. As I work, I find I am constantly checking the Internet or a co-workers radio to hear the updates. “Have they found any more survivors?” “Have we decided to go to war?” “Have they caught that bastard?”
Will I have these nightmares every night? I think about all those lives lost and I weep. I grieve for them all, their families, and friends, as I am sure the world does along with me. We will grieve forever.
My children ask, “Are we safe Mom?” How do I answer that? I picked up my son from school Tuesday, and he told me that one of his best friends parents were on American Airlines #11 and that his grandmother came to pick him up. This child knew his parents were on flight #11 and watched it fly right into the World Trade Center right on television at school. How do you explain to a child that a madman has just taken his parents away in the manner they were taken?
I think about the argument I had with my sister yesterday………..so trivial. I think about how I scolded my daughter today about her room………trivial once again. When again was it when I last spoke to my father? Why didn’t I call my mother before she drove back up to New Hampshire Wednesday morning and tell her to drive safely and call me when she got home? How lucky I am to have them here in my life. How very, very fortunate I am.
Why am I so special?
Laura ******
9/13/01
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it was the second day of jr. high, and i was in art class talking to some hotty
anyways...this kid was listening to a radio...and was like a plane just crashed into a tower in NYC...we all laughed at him for a bit until he said the second plane hit...and then the teacher go confirmation that america was under attack
everyone was fuking scared cus there was still a couple planes in the air...and ya that entire month was very dark and gloomy
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I was doing security work at the time and sitting in the canteen having a break. One of my mates texted me and told me that a plane had hit the world trade centre. I thought he was joking and when I got home my wife was sitting in front of the TV watching it all. Scary day.
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just gettin off a graveyard shift didnt go to sleep that day i remember all the guys talken about if there was going to be a war and if there was going to be a draft
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I had just layed to rest my Uncle the day before. It was a nice Military Service. He had been a Marine. When the first plane crashed I was on my way to my sisters to visit with her and my mother and discuss other things regarding my uncle. I had the radio on and the music was interupted by the DJ to report the first plane. I got to my sisters to find her and my mother crying...the 2nd plane had just hit. I sat with them a while in disbelief and then and retrieved my children from school. Unfortunately one of the children's parents in my son's class was on Flight 11. I did a lot of thinking and re-evaluation of my life from that day forward and spilled out some thoughts onto a piece of paper.
Why am I so special?
I found myself driving home from work today listening to the radio as I would any other day…….but it isn’t any other day. It is Thursday, September 13, 2001. Only two days after the unleashed horror on The World Trade Center, The Pentagon, American Airlines flight #11 and flight #77, along with United Airlines flight #175 and #93.
A song comes on the radio. It’s a mix of the events of these horrors and the singer Jewel’s “Hands” song. I am once again overcome with the most grief I have ever experienced in my life. I am crying so hard that I have to pull over. Hiding my face in my hands so that I wouldn’t be seen by the cars that are really going by to fast to even notice me. How could something so devastating happen in what we call a “civilized” world? Who could be so inhuman and monstrous to do such acts of evil? My head is spinning and then along with all these questions and thoughts, I have guilt. Why am I so special? What spared me, my family and my friends from these horrendous events? A zip code? A trip unplanned?
Our lives are supposed to go on unfeared, but it will not. I feel nothing but fear and guilt because my life is just supposed to just go on. “Don’t succumb to the fear these terrorist are working so hard to put us through” is what we are told, but can we? Can we really? Before 8:30 a.m. Tuesday we could. We lived in somewhat of a fantasy world where we could be untouched by such things. This kind of terror could only happen away from home, and even then we would be shocked at such things. Now we have been exposed to the rash reality that we are not as invincible as we thought.
I get back on the road looking around at the traffic around me. “How are we doing this?” I ask myself. “How are we getting up and going off to work or school as if nothing happened?” We talk about it in work and at school. Talk about the horror and devastation and we get angry and we cry, but then we go on with our work. As I work, I find I am constantly checking the Internet or a co-workers radio to hear the updates. “Have they found any more survivors?” “Have we decided to go to war?” “Have they caught that bastard?”
Will I have these nightmares every night? I think about all those lives lost and I weep. I grieve for them all, their families, and friends, as I am sure the world does along with me. We will grieve forever.
My children ask, “Are we safe Mom?” How do I answer that? I picked up my son from school Tuesday, and he told me that one of his best friends parents were on American Airlines #11 and that his grandmother came to pick him up. This child knew his parents were on flight #11 and watched it fly right into the World Trade Center right on television at school. How do you explain to a child that a madman has just taken his parents away in the manner they were taken?
I think about the argument I had with my sister yesterday………..so trivial. I think about how I scolded my daughter today about her room………trivial once again. When again was it when I last spoke to my father? Why didn’t I call my mother before she drove back up to New Hampshire Wednesday morning and tell her to drive safely and call me when she got home? How lucky I am to have them here in my life. How very, very fortunate I am.
Why am I so special?
Laura ******
9/13/01
this is how they want you to feel,they want you to live in fear and change the way you live your life and the best thing we can do so they dont have any kind of victory is to keep living as we do,living in peace in a free country.All it was laura was an indiscriminate brutal act of violence and there is no reasoning behind it and no reason some people dies and others were spared,i can truly understand how you feel when your children ask you that question because im a parent myself.
we had to live through the same thing a while back with the IRA but it was never on the scale of 911 but it was scary non the less,and now were facing these crazy islamic extremists.These kind of people dont care who they hurt and they dont pick and choose they just want to strike fear into our hearts,terrorists are the most cowardly and evil people and they usually do it in the name of religion,what a joke that is. any religion that says its alright to kill innocent women and children is an evil one, they are kidding themselves if they think it is what god wants them to do.Terrorists will burn in hell
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It also caused havoc here, I remember it well. My island also lost 2 natives in the towers. The girls mother who lives close to me, still to this day does not accept her daughter is dead. Sad.
Since they shut down the east coast airports, they diverted alot of planes here. This island is one of the smallest in the world and we only have 1500 total hotel beds....and they landed like 10,000 people here[literally]. We had like 8,000+ people here with no hotel rooms for them. They came over the radio and asked for locals to come to the airport and take people in...we had no choice. They all were not even fitting in our tiny airport and were spilling all out into the roads with their bags and everything.
We islanders reponded well....every single person was taken in...which kind of 'shocked' the North Americans that were here as they were not used to our 'trusting type island nature' where we just open our homes to strangers.
Many were here for days, stretching into a couple of weeks as they couldn't get planes in here quick enough to get them out. We only usually have like 4 flights a day. Many were not too unhappy about it - being stranded in paradise really.
This country came to a halt that day as well. Most people stayed home and watched the news coverage. Then the fundraising started. Combined with the large donation from our government, and all the private fundraising and donations given our tiny island raised just about 2 million...which we were proud of.
My sympathies to anyone affected by the day.
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this is how they want you to feel,they want you to live in fear and change the way you live your life and the best thing we can do so they dont have any kind of victory is to keep living as we do,living in peace in a free country.All it was laura was an indiscriminate brutal act of violence and there is no reasoning behind it and no reason some people dies and others were spared,i can truly understand how you feel when your children ask you that question because im a parent myself.
we had to live through the same thing a while back with the IRA but it was never on the scale of 911 but it was scary non the less,and now were facing these crazy islamic extremists.These kind of people dont care who they hurt and they dont pick and choose they just want to strike fear into our hearts,terrorists are the most cowardly and evil people and they usually do it in the name of religion,what a joke that is. any religion that says its alright to kill innocent women and children is an evil one, they are kidding themselves if they think it is what god wants them to do.Terrorists will burn in hell
Amen to that.
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I'd just got home from college, surreal as fuck when I saw it live on TV. I remember the pakis next day fucking smiling about it... fucking scum
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Don't wanna make this a political debate... I'll save that for the general board. Want to keep it sweet for people here. But bin Laden's name was on the TV before the 4th plane even crashed. There's alot of evidence that the towers were brought down by a hell of alot more money, manpower, and munitions than those 19 idiots had. Do some research. You're not gonna like where it leads, but it is out there if you're looking.
240, I admittedly don't have a chance to read all your 9/11 posts so forgive me for asking you this as you may already have posted it. You claim those 19 guys didn't commandeer the planes and fly them into the buildings? Were the 19 hijackers fictional? Or did they exist.
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I was driving home from work when it came on the radio.
For years foolish Americans, most of them from New York, have been funding the IRA - who for the past few decades have been bombing England and murdering totally innocent men, women and children. So i'm GLAD 911 HAPPENED as now that has all stopped. Justice at last.
Please email me with your contact info. I'd like to beat you senseless should you ever visit the states. thanks mate!
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240, I admittedly don't have a chance to read all your 9/11 posts so forgive me for asking you this as you may already have posted it. You claim those 19 guys didn't commandeer the planes and fly them into the buildings? Were the 19 hijackers fictional? Or did they exist.
3 out of 4 of the planes had the men who were named. The fourth plane not only didn't have any of the hijackers buy tickets or be autopsied, but there weren't even any men with Arab names at all. Somehow, on the disappearing Flight 77, the 5 men got on board without buying tickets or being picked up by video camera. This was the plane which hit the pentagon and disappeared/vaporized. monster lies.
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I had just layed to rest my Uncle the day before. It was a nice Military Service. He had been a Marine. When the first plane crashed I was on my way to my sisters to visit with her and my mother and discuss other things regarding my uncle. I had the radio on and the music was interupted by the DJ to report the first plane. I got to my sisters to find her and my mother crying...the 2nd plane had just hit. I sat with them a while in disbelief and then and retrieved my children from school. Unfortunately one of the children's parents in my son's class was on Flight 11. I did a lot of thinking and re-evaluation of my life from that day forward and spilled out some thoughts onto a piece of paper.
Why am I so special?
I found myself driving home from work today listening to the radio as I would any other day…….but it isn’t any other day. It is Thursday, September 13, 2001. Only two days after the unleashed horror on The World Trade Center, The Pentagon, American Airlines flight #11 and flight #77, along with United Airlines flight #175 and #93.
A song comes on the radio. It’s a mix of the events of these horrors and the singer Jewel’s “Hands” song. I am once again overcome with the most grief I have ever experienced in my life. I am crying so hard that I have to pull over. Hiding my face in my hands so that I wouldn’t be seen by the cars that are really going by to fast to even notice me. How could something so devastating happen in what we call a “civilized” world? Who could be so inhuman and monstrous to do such acts of evil? My head is spinning and then along with all these questions and thoughts, I have guilt. Why am I so special? What spared me, my family and my friends from these horrendous events? A zip code? A trip unplanned?
Our lives are supposed to go on unfeared, but it will not. I feel nothing but fear and guilt because my life is just supposed to just go on. “Don’t succumb to the fear these terrorist are working so hard to put us through” is what we are told, but can we? Can we really? Before 8:30 a.m. Tuesday we could. We lived in somewhat of a fantasy world where we could be untouched by such things. This kind of terror could only happen away from home, and even then we would be shocked at such things. Now we have been exposed to the rash reality that we are not as invincible as we thought.
I get back on the road looking around at the traffic around me. “How are we doing this?” I ask myself. “How are we getting up and going off to work or school as if nothing happened?” We talk about it in work and at school. Talk about the horror and devastation and we get angry and we cry, but then we go on with our work. As I work, I find I am constantly checking the Internet or a co-workers radio to hear the updates. “Have they found any more survivors?” “Have we decided to go to war?” “Have they caught that bastard?”
Will I have these nightmares every night? I think about all those lives lost and I weep. I grieve for them all, their families, and friends, as I am sure the world does along with me. We will grieve forever.
My children ask, “Are we safe Mom?” How do I answer that? I picked up my son from school Tuesday, and he told me that one of his best friends parents were on American Airlines #11 and that his grandmother came to pick him up. This child knew his parents were on flight #11 and watched it fly right into the World Trade Center right on television at school. How do you explain to a child that a madman has just taken his parents away in the manner they were taken?
I think about the argument I had with my sister yesterday………..so trivial. I think about how I scolded my daughter today about her room………trivial once again. When again was it when I last spoke to my father? Why didn’t I call my mother before she drove back up to New Hampshire Wednesday morning and tell her to drive safely and call me when she got home? How lucky I am to have them here in my life. How very, very fortunate I am.
Why am I so special?
Laura ******
9/13/01
I'm sorry you went through that, and it pains me to realize that your story, and a million others peoples', are exactly the fear and distress the terrorists wanted you to have.
Cheri, as passionate as you are about things, I hope that someday you check out the facts of the day a little deeper. Just knowing a little more about the day can change your life forever, and above all, remove your fear.
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I was driving home from work when it came on the radio.
For years foolish Americans, most of them from New York, have been funding the IRA - who for the past few decades have been bombing England and murdering totally innocent men, women and children. So i'm GLAD 911 HAPPENED as now that has all stopped. Justice at last.
I hope you are kidding? >:(
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3 out of 4 of the planes had the men who were named. The fourth plane not only didn't have any of the hijackers buy tickets or be autopsied, but there weren't even any men with Arab names at all. Somehow, on the disappearing Flight 77, the 5 men got on board without buying tickets or being picked up by video camera. This was the plane which hit the pentagon and disappeared/vaporized. monster lies.
Ok, the two planes that hit the towers. Did the hijackers fly them into the towers or were these Arab men just passengers?
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Ok, the two planes that hit the towers. Did the hijackers fly them into the towers or were these Arab men just passengers?
All evidence says they did not know they were on suicide missions. They knew they were murderous hijackers intent on landing the plane somewhere with a list of demands, but the planes were on remote control - overridden by a 3rd party. Please check out remote control 757 - there technology is very much there.
But yes, the men were real on 3 of the planes. The Flight 93 was likely ordered shot down by a canadian general at NORAD after he watched the first 3 hit towers. NORAD is shared by CAN and US, and for some reason, they chose to shred all the tapes at NORAD which involved the shootdown time period.
Do innocent people locate, remove, destroy, then admittedly distribute to different trash cans around the building, all recordings?
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All evidence says they did not know they were on suicide missions. They knew they were murderous hijackers intent on landing the plane somewhere with a list of demands, but the planes were on remote control - overridden by a 3rd party. Please check out remote control 757 - there technology is very much there.
But yes, the men were real on 3 of the planes. The Flight 93 was likely ordered shot down by a canadian general at NORAD after he watched the first 3 hit towers. NORAD is shared by CAN and US, and for some reason, they chose to shred all the tapes at NORAD which involved the shootdown time period.
Do innocent people locate, remove, destroy, then admittedly distribute to different trash cans around the building, all recordings?
Ok, how was it rigged that hijackers sent by who ever were on these planes and were used as tools buy the conspirators? Did our government and the terrorists cooperate? It couldn't have been a coincidence?
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All evidence says they did not know they were on suicide missions. They knew they were murderous hijackers intent on landing the plane somewhere with a list of demands, but the planes were on remote control - overridden by a 3rd party. Please check out remote control 757 - there technology is very much there.
I have one more question. The two towers seemed to start collapsing at the floors the planes hit. How could the explosives be at the exact spots the planes hit? I don't think you could fly the planes into the buildings with that kind of precision.
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I have one more question. The two towers seemed to start collapsing at the floors the planes hit. How could the explosives be at the exact spots the planes hit? I don't think you could fly the planes into the buildings with that kind of precision.
All this 911 talk is all nonesense...The built up heat from the gas in the core of the buildings caused the towers to fall.
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Please email me with your contact info. I'd like to beat you senseless should you ever visit the states. thanks mate!
Please allow me to help!
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I'm sorry you went through that, and it pains me to realize that your story, and a million others peoples', are exactly the fear and distress the terrorists wanted you to have.
Cheri, as passionate as you are about things, I hope that someday you check out the facts of the day a little deeper. Just knowing a little more about the day can change your life forever, and above all, remove your fear.
Thank you Rob. Those were my thoughts 2 days after 9-11. They are different now. I remember driving for some time after 9-11 and looking into the sky and saying "I have never seen it so clear, so quiet". Not a plane in the air for some time and it was very strange. I have since come to terms with what had happened, as I am sure many have, to not live in fear. I have flown since then a few time.
One thing that really scared me...is that I flew to Las Vegas that prior April and Oganowski was our pilot on that flight. I remember watching him and 2 other pilots coming down the aisle looking to one area (passenger) of the plane. It made me very nervous and uncomfortable. I even talked about it to my friend who was traveling with me who assured me there was nothing to worry about. I obviously arrived to my destination safely, but was in awe when I found out a few things. Number 1: that one of the planes pilots was Oganowski, number 2: the flight number was the same, and number 3: they stated that the terrorist had been flying the same patterned flights for months before to watch how the crew worked. Very sad, and very scary. I had also never known that when I used to go to my friends house in Drakut, Mass...I passed Oganowski's house each time. Wasn't until after 9-11 that my friend had told me so.
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Outside the stock exchange, around the corner from the trade center having a coffee. There were very small pieces of paper floating down through the air; some thought it might be confetti from a parade down Broadway. Looked closely and saw that the pieces were burnt.
At each point in time it still seemed innocuous enough-ok it's a local fire, no big deal. Then a while later I noticed it was unusually quiet-there were none of the usual streams of people coming over from the subways inside the trade center.
Then I noticed a group of people standing a few steps up, looking around the corner, so i went over and could see the side of the trade center burning, a few flames. Even then it was no biggie-a trader said that it was a very small plane, so it seemed like an unfortunate but manageable situation.
Then there was a large bang that reverberated through the canyons of wall street; no one down there saw what happened, but knew it was bad, like maybe that fire had caused something in the tower to shift, like it was going to break, so i ran under protection of a very large, old solid building to wait and see if anything fell down. No way of knowing it had been another plane-most of those directly around the trade center didn't have the info those watching TV did. That sound was enough to send some people running down the street, cars were braking to avoid people, right out of a movie.
When it was obvious that nothing more was going to happen, i left the cover of the building and started walking away, to an area about 10 blocks away where i could see the trade center; some people were running, others didn't know anything was wrong and were standing outside having coffee, usual morning routine.
From 10 blocks away you could see the damage more clearly, and the smoke was pitch black, which was'n't so obvious on TV. Obviously the buildings were going to be a write-off, completely useless no matter what happened, even if they could put the fires out.
Lots of people watching from there but i thought that if the towers happened to fall sideways it could cause a domino effect with the buildings nearby so i walked home another 10 blocks to get out of the immediate area.
When i watched on TV from my apartment it looked to me like part of the upper tower was bent at a slight angle; when it fell i immediately got out of my apartment, in case any kind of shock wave could effect buildings around my area. By then, there were thousands streaming through my neighborhood walking home over the bridges; i lent some people my phone.
The military closed off the large grocery store near me for a while, used it as one of two staging areas for ambulences and supplies from different directions that converged on the trade center area. The smell of burnt rubber lingered in my neighborhood for about 3 months off an on, every day at first then later every 3-4 days. The smell would also drift farther uptown to union square at 14th street sometimes depending on the wind.
Because I worked down there I was able to get to within a block of the debris by the next Monday; it was only National Guard and press about a block away from the debris which was about 5 stories high and looked apocalyptic; the view from the 50th floor of our offices looking down on the area was unbelievable, it really looked like a war had taken place.
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Ok, how was it rigged that hijackers sent by who ever were on these planes and were used as tools buy the conspirators? Did our government and the terrorists cooperate? It couldn't have been a coincidence?
It was a nice team effort. there were terrorist but there were men in ties with a lot of power that day too. The amount of info that has been hidden by NORAD/FAA is criminal.
I have one more question. The two towers seemed to start collapsing at the floors the planes hit. How could the explosives be at the exact spots the planes hit? I don't think you could fly the planes into the buildings with that kind of precision.
Mayor Rudy's floor 23 bunker in WTC was command central for the day. They were able to choose where the demolitions started. They controlled the takedown pretty accurately, but there were dust blasts which came early.
All this 911 talk is all nonesense...The built up heat from the gas in the core of the buildings caused the towers to fall.
Yet not one computer model has been able to duplicate it. And they refuse to test it for explosives. And the laws of physics were violated repeatedly. And steel beams that shot laterally 50 STORIES, that doesn't happen in real life. Please don't just make up blanket statements like 'monster gas build up!' because it's simply not true.
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From 10 blocks away you could see the damage more clearly, and the smoke was pitch black, which was'n't so obvious on TV. Obviously the buildings were going to be a write-off, completely useless no matter what happened, even if they could put the fires out.
Tom brokaw was interviewed last night on MSNBC - he said he knew that they would have to later bring down the towers because of the structural damage. He then scoffed, shoook his head side to side, and said 'no one knew they'd be taking it down the same day' with pursed lips. LOL... monster disapproval of demolishing a building full of people.
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5714975155113419363&q=911+power+hour&hl=en
Lots of good evidence from that day here. They don't accuse anyone of anything - they just show you all the events and evidence, and you can reach your own conclusions.
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I was living in Victoria BC canada. id slept on a day bed the night before stayin up late watching movies...rolled over, turned on the telly to watch regis and kelly like any other morning and the towers had been hit....
At the time I was managing a Golds gym and that morning it was very quiet...the cardio equipment was in front of the front desk and i sat there stunned as i watched the days events on 12 screens, mostly all on different stations. was trying to read the scrolling news to get all the details
my mom was due to fly to visit me from australia a few days later and she still made the flight...as nervous as she was.
i'll never forget
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God job of not keeping political 240. >:(
I walked into work and everything was silent. People were crowded around the radios listening to the coverage. It was just so surreal. This lasted almost the entire day.
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I was living in e rutherford n.j. and woke up from a call from my bro in san diego and said dee get to mom and dads house (they live in ct). I said why what is going on. He said dee turn on the tv. So I did and was shock and disbelief. So I walked to the front yard and saw the smoke and heard thousands of sirens. I called my parents and let them know I was ok. I then contacted another banana republic I used to work at in nj and said I'm not sure how I will get to work (because I worked in ny) they said all stores are closing and contact us tommorow. Yes cheri , i remember looking up at the sky and thinking the same thing especially being so close to jfk, laguardia and newark. Just a sad day
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Because I worked down there I was able to get to within a block of the debris by the next Monday; it was only National Guard and press about a block away from the debris which was about 5 stories high and looked apocalyptic; the view from the 50th floor of our offices looking down on the area was unbelievable, it really looked like a war had taken place.
Pumpster, aren't you ever worried about all the crap you breathed during the first few months? So many people have gotten sick, including pretty much 90% of those who worked at ground zero. Those asbestos and god knows what else levels remained through the roof long after people were told it was safe to go back to work.
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I was living in the city at the time (for once grateful that I lived uptown) but coincidently was out of town on business. I did have immediate family visiting me at the time, and going to the WTC was exactly one of the touristy things they would do. I saw what was happening the second they began televising and with one eye glued to the screen, began frantically calling everyone I knew. My sister's celly was dead and I couldn't reach any of my friends because the lines were constantly busy. At some point I remembered them saying they planned to visit friends in CT, but I only had a vague idea of where they lived. This exceptionally kind operator stayed on the phone with me for a long time -- I guess I sounded hysterical -- trying different towns and being really calm. I never forgot that. That whole day was just a haze of being overwhelmed with helplessness, until I finally heard from my family late in the evening. Within the next few days all friends were accounted for as well, although some of them lost people that day... I always had a hard time walking past the photo gallery that sprang up in Grand Central... with people posting pics of their beloved ones who had died that day. Not one of them look like the stressed out office drones you see every day going into buildings just like WTC. Each one was a smiling snapshot of happy people living their lives. Very moving.
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I was living in Cali at the time. My girlfirend and I were woken by her sister calling from Connecticut telling us to turn on the tv. When we did, the first thing that went through my mind was that this was the end of the world. We spent the next couple of hours trying frantically to call relatives back east but could not get through. Eventually later that day, we managed to and thankfully, we did not lose anyone from our families that day.
I remember being in a meeting later that day or the next and hearing people talk about planes being rerouted or fighters being scrambled etc. due to the possibilities of something similar happening in LA. None of it seemed real. Yet unfortunately it all was.
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Sound asleep. Wife woke me up to say "we're at war." There were a number of planes still in the air, so I decided to keep my kids home. Plus I worked in a high rise and felt uncomfortable being that high off the ground. I was glued to the TV for days.
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Pumpster, aren't you ever worried about all the crap you breathed during the first few months?
So that explains what happened to Pumpster.
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I was at work. As I live in The Netherlands I think it was about 15:15 pm when a colleague of mine told me about it. He said that he heard it on the radio, but he was very relaxed about it. I guess nobody didn't realize at that time what really happened.
At home an hour later, I turned on the TV and saw what happened. Actually I should be going to the gym that day, but I totally forgot about that. Didn't seem important enough.
I remember the moment that I was on top of one of the buildings (twin towers) when visiting NYC on a vacation, in the 80's, taking pictures, and enjoying the mighty view, as the weather was very clear.
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i was walking to class at ut-austin and i noticed how damn quiet and un-crowded it was. there was a wierd feeling in the air. after walking for a while i saw a group of students gathered around a truck which had its radio on and caught the words "...to confirm, both trade towers have completely collapsed"
i am a skyscraper buff so immediately my words were 'what the FUCK????'
i listened for a minute longer, then went back to my dorm and watched peter jennings(RIP) for 5 days straight.
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All this 911 talk is all nonesense...The built up heat from the gas in the core of the buildings caused the towers to fall.
These people are utter fools and suckers. The second tower fell first despite being hit second why????????? It was hit lower and the weight of the upper floors just collapsed on top of it.
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I was sleeping. I got up around 7am and got a call from my x-wife who was frantic. I turned the TV on to see 1 tower standing.
I got in my car a drove to Fremont where i put on a Sales Meeting for a sales organization comprised of 90% Arabs and Afghanis. They were a little shell shock to say the least. They ended up having their best week in business for the year. Wierd huh?
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These people are utter fools and suckers. The second tower fell first despite being hit second why????????? It was hit lower and the weight of the upper floors just collapsed on top of it.
Sorry boss. The fire in the South Tower, hit second, was nearly out. Down to 2 small pockets, reported by firefighters up there. They had teams 2 floors under it, and the temp was fine. Witnesses were seen waving for help, from the gash where it was supposed to be 1000C+ at that time.
Rest in peace, everyone lost that day. I pray those affected look into the facts so that all guilty parties can be brought to justice.
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Please email me with your contact info. I'd like to beat you senseless should you ever visit the states. thanks mate!
UK GOLD, YOU DESERVE TO BE SHOT IN THE HEAD, AND HAVE YOUR BODY FED TO THE DOGS. MOTHAFUCKER
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UK Gold
I fail to see the connection between a miniscule collection of active IRA sympathizers in the US and the events of 9-11-01.
GO have another beer
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UK Gold
I fail to see the connection between a miniscule collection of active IRA sympathizers in the US and the events of 9-11-01.
GO have another beer
He means america's attitude to terrorism changed after 9/11....and he has a point, for decades the IRA was letting bombs off all over the UK killing civilians, children etc and this was not condemned by the US despite the fact that america is supposed to be an ally....even US presidents entertained that IRA girl Gerry Adams at the whitehouse when he used to travel to New York and Boston on another fundraiser for the IRA....after 9/11 it dawned on a lot of americans that had been bankrolling and sympathising with the IRA that perhaps terrorism wasnt so funny afterall.
9/11 was shocking nonetheless but you'll have to excuse some of us brits for not getting too worked up over it as we lived with (irish-american funded) terrorism for too fucking long.
From our point of view 9/11 quickly brought about an end to IRA funding coming from the US and in our eyes thats a good thing.
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I was asleep in a downtown Toronto hotel room. The Toronto International Film Festival was in full swing, and we'd been partying pretty hard. A friend from Atlanta got a phone call on his cell waking us up and telling us to turn on the TV set. We watched as the towers fell. It was surreal.
Then they announced all planes were grounded, and that the borders were closing. The traffic in downtown TO was a nightmare. Businesses closed up. The TIFF came to a grinding halt.
Later during the day, I was at TIFF headquarters at the Park Hyatt, and we were in the lounge area watching the big screen. There was this guy who seemed very creepy in his nonchalant attitude about everything, ...and he kept saying wierd things like 'All things happen for a reason, ...and that things were as they were supposed to be.' I found out 2 days later, the guy was a hardcore Rosicrucian for whatever that's worth.
My friend John in LA, lost his nephew who worked at WTC. My cousin Veronica saw the towers coming down that day and hasn't been the same since. My cousin Bernie had an appointment in one of the towers that day, and my cousin Frederick would have been in the other tower precisely when it hit, had it not been for a delay in the subway. My friend Rob's wife was in the Pentagon when it was struck and barely made it out alive. My cousin David worked in the next building over, and it was sometime before we were able to locate him to know he was safe & unharmed. My friend Sergio's father worked in the WTC and his mother worked across the street. It was days before we were able to locate him. He was hurt, in hospital from falling debris & smoke inhalation, ...but he was going to live. Trying to get through to family & friends in NYC by phone was impossible. The only contact came through the internet.
My mom's birthday was in three days. I decided to cut my stay in T.O short, and go home to spend time with her, and let her know how much I appreciated her.
My network mktg company was having a convention in Orlando FL at the time that was supposed to start on Sept 12th. We had people flying in all the way from Australia who ended up stuck in LA. Most people attending chose to fly in on the 11th, and found themselves stuck in various strange aeroports throughout the US when all planes were grounded, or found themselves in the aeroport unable to take off. We ended up holding the convention 2 months later, ...but by then, so many people were afraid to fly. My trip to LA for the actors union assisting the head of our equal opps committe was cancelled because she's Jewish and her husband was too afraid to let her fly. He was an absolute basket case at the prospect of her getting into an aeroplane.
The only good thing to come from 9/11 is that it caused many Americans to really take a look at 'US foreign policy' for the first time, and it made many of us examine our priorities and pursue a much more fulfilling life.
It's sad that it sometimes takes tragedies like this to help us get our priorities straight. Life is too short, and too fleeting to go through without being grateful for our blessings every single second, hour, and day of our existence, ...or to go without telling those we love and care for, ...just how cherished they are.
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I was asleep in a downtown Toronto hotel room. The Toronto International Film Festival was in full swing, and we'd been partying pretty hard. A friend from Atlanta got a phone call on his cell waking us up and telling us to turn on the TV set. We watched as the towers fell. It was surreal.
Then they announced all planes were grounded, and that the borders were closing. The traffic in downtown TO was a nightmare. Businesses closed up. The TIFF came to a grinding halt.
Later during the day, I was at TIFF headquarters at the Park Hyatt, and we were in the lounge area watching the big screen. There was this guy who seemed very creepy in his nonchalant attitude about everything, ...and he kept saying wierd things like 'All things happen for a reason, ...and that things were as they were supposed to be.' I found out 2 days later, the guy was a hardcore Rosicrucian for whatever that's worth.
My friend John in LA, lost his nephew who worked at WTC. My cousin Veronica saw the towers coming down that day and hasn't been the same since. My cousin Bernie had an appointment in one of the towers that day, and my cousin Frederick would have been in the other tower precisely when it hit, had it not been for a delay in the subway. My friend Rob's wife was in the Pentagon when it was struck and barely made it out alive. My cousin David worked in the next building over, and it was sometime before we were able to locate him to know he was safe & unharmed. My friend Sergio's father worked in the WTC and his mother worked across the street. It was days before we were able to locate him. He was hurt, in hospital from falling debris & smoke inhalation, ...but he was going to live. Trying to get through to family & friends in NYC by phone was impossible. The only contact came through the internet.
My mom's birthday was in three days. I decided to cut my stay in T.O short, and go home to spend time with her, and let her know how much I appreciated her.
My network mktg company was having a convention in Orlando FL at the time that was supposed to start on Sept 12th. We had people flying in all the way from Australia who ended up stuck in LA. Most people attending chose to fly in on the 11th, and found themselves stuck in various strange aeroports throughout the US when all planes were grounded, or found themselves in the aeroport unable to take off. We ended up holding the convention 2 months later, ...but by then, so many people were afraid to fly. My trip to LA for the actors union assisting the head of our equal opps committe was cancelled because she's Jewish and her husband was too afraid to let her fly. He was an absolute basket case at the prospect of her getting into an aeroplane.
The only good thing to come from 9/11 is that it caused many Americans to really take a look at 'US foreign policy' for the first time, and it made many of us examine our priorities and pursue a much more fulfilling life.
It's sad that it sometimes takes tragedies like this to help us get our priorities straight. Life is too short, and too fleeting to go through without being grateful for our blessings every single second, hour, and day of our existence, ...or to go without telling those we love and care for, ...just how cherished they are.
you weren't there--your were ironing my shirt, b--ch
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I was living with my parents here in Dallas. I turned the TV on right after the second plane hit, and saw everything unfold as it happened. I remember telling my dad that this had to be Al Qaeda. It was obvious to everyone. I heard about Flight 93 and the WTC7 collapse on my car radio. The radio also reported an explosion in Kabul later that evening, but it wasn't an American attack. I visited my grandfather in the hospital that night and saw the members of Congress singing "God Bless America" on TV. The whole situation was pretty surreal.
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Disturbing that they haven't caught and killed Bin Laden and Zawahiri; they had Bin Laden at Tora Bora and then let him get away because they only had 50 US troops on the ground and couldn't get authorization for more.
Some unsanitized reminders why they have to do more to catch them; go into Pakistan without authorization, under the radar if necessary now that Pakistan's officially unwilling to help:
http://www.revver.com/view.php?id=59686
The sight of people plunging from the north tower compelled hundreds in the south tower to flee before the second jet struck the building.
"It took three or four to realize: They were people," says James Logozzo, who had gathered with co-workers in a Morgan Stanley boardroom on the 72nd floor of the south tower, just 120 feet away from the north tower. "Then this one woman fell."
She fell closer to the south tower, he recalls. Logozzo saw her face. She had dark hair and olive skin, a white blouse and black skirt. She fell with her back to the ground, flat, staring up.
"The look on her face was shock. She wasn't screaming. It was slow motion. When she hit, there was nothing left," Logozzo says.
Logozzo cried, "Oh my God!" and raced for the stairs. When he got to the street 45 minutes later, he looked up. By then, his building had been struck by United Airlines Flight 175. From the ground, he saw two more people jump. This time, they were from his building.
The story of the victims who jumped to their deaths is the most sensitive aspect of the Sept. 11 tragedy. Photographs of people falling to their deaths shocked the nation. Most newspapers and magazines ran only one or two photos, then published no more. USA TODAY ran one photo Nov. 16.
Still, the images resonate. Many who survived or witnessed the attack say the sight of victims jumping is their most haunting memory of that day.
It was worse than people realize.
USA TODAY estimates that at least 200 people jumped to their deaths that morning, far more than can be seen in the photographs taken that morning. Nearly all were from the north tower, which was hit first and collapsed last. Fewer than a dozen were from the south tower.
The jumping started shortly after the first jet hit at 8:46 a.m. People jumped continuously during the 102 minutes that the north tower stood. Two people jumped as the north tower began to fall at 10:28 a.m., witnesses said.
For those who jumped, the fall lasted 10 seconds. They struck the ground at just less than 150 miles per hour — not fast enough to cause unconsciousness while falling, but fast enough to ensure instant death on impact. People jumped from all four sides of the north tower. They jumped alone, in pairs and in groups.
Most came from the north tower's 101st to 105th floors, where the Cantor Fitzgerald bond firm had offices, and the 106th and 107th floors, where a conference was underway at the Windows on the World restaurant. Others leaped from the 93rd through 100th floor offices of Marsh & McLennan insurance company.
Intense smoke and heat, rather than flames, pushed people into this horrific choice. Flight 11 struck the 94th through 98th floors of the north tower, shooting heat and smoke up elevator shafts and stairways in the center of the building. Within minutes, it would have been very difficult to breathe. That drove people to the windows 1,100 to 1,300 feet above ground.
There were several reasons more people jumped from the north tower than from the south. The fire was more intense and compact in the north tower. The jet hit higher, so smoke was concentrated in 15 floors compared with 30 floors in the south tower, which was hit on the 78th through 84th floors. The north tower also stood longer: 102 minutes vs. 56 minutes. And twice as many people were trapped on the north tower's upper floors than in the south tower, where occupants had 161/2 minutes to evacuate before the second jet hit.
The New York medical examiner's office says it does not classify the people who fell to their deaths on Sept. 11 as "jumpers."
"A 'jumper' is somebody who goes to the office in the morning knowing that they will commit suicide," says Ellen Borakove, spokeswoman for the medical examiner's office. "These people were forced out by the smoke and flames or blown out."
She says the medical examiner's office couldn't determine who jumped because the injuries were similar to those suffered by the people killed in the collapse of the towers. The manner of death for all those who died was listed as homicide on death certificates.
To make its estimate of the number of people who plunged from the Trade Center, USA TODAY reviewed videos and photographs, interviewed witnesses and analyzed the time and location of the jumping. The newspaper discussed its conclusion with officials in the fire department and medical examiner's office who, while not making calculations of their own, deemed an estimate of 200 jumpers as accurate.
The New York Times counted 50 different jumpers in a review of photographs and videotapes. USA TODAY's estimate attempts to include people whose falls were not documented. Nearly all photos were of the north tower's north and east faces, which were more accessible to photographers coming from uptown Manhattan. But witnesses reported that numerous people leapt from the north tower's south and west sides as well.
On the south side, firefighters reported 30 to 40 bodies on the roof of the 22-floor Marriott Hotel, adjacent to the north tower.
On the west side, falling bodies crashed onto the awning covering the circular VIP driveway. The thudding of bodies at this entrance can be heard on a video taken near there by French cameraman Jules Naudet, whose footage was broadcast on CBS on March 11.
On the east side, people plummeted into the plaza, best known for its globe sculpture. Blood covered the glass walls and revolving doors that led to the plaza from the second-floor mezzanine in the north tower. People evacuating the north tower walked by this horrible sight.
"The windows were red ... and bits of bodies were outside. We were stunned and amazed," says Richard Moller, who escaped from the 78th floor.
After the first jet crash, Port Authority police Officer David Lim took an escalator from the lobby of the north tower to the plaza level, one floor above. He saw a disfigured body near a stage where musical groups performed on the plaza. "I said, oh my God! I've got to call this in. 'I've got a DOA on the plaza.' The desk officer said, 'Are you sure he's dead?' As I'm retransmitting, another body falls."
To be sure, some who fell didn't jump. Witnesses say a few people seemed to have stumbled out of broken windows obscured by smoke. But most say those jumping appeared to make a conscious choice to die by falling rather than from smoke, heat or fire.
Ultimately, they were choosing not whether to die but how to die. Nobody survived on the floors from which people jumped.
Victims who jumped had a profound influence on the evacuation. Firefighters moved their command post away from the building to avoid them. A falling body killed a firefighter. Fire Commissioner Thomas Van Essen, rushing out of the north tower to meet Mayor Rudy Giuliani, was nearly killed when a body landed 15 feet away.
To safeguard people from falling bodies and debris, authorities blocked the main exits from the lobbies to the street. Instead, people escaping from both towers were sent through an underground shopping mall and under the outdoor plaza where bodies were falling.
The sight of people jumping saved lives, too. In the south tower, people had a close-up view of people plunging to their deaths from a building that was a mirror image of their own. "I looked at a couple of people jumping, and that was it. I'd seen enough. I said, 'We've got to get the hell out of here,' " says Jaede Barg, who worked for Aon on the south tower's 100th floor.
Many south tower survivors say the sight of people jumping created an urgency that caused them to leave immediately and ignore announcements that it was safe to return to their desks. About 1,400 people evacuated the upper floors before the second jet hit.
Eric Thompson, who worked on the 77th floor of the south tower, went to a conference room window after the first jet hit. He was shocked when a man came to a north tower window and leapt from a few floors above the fire. Thompson looked the man in the face. He saw his tie flapping in the wind. He watched the man's body strike the pavement below. "There was no human resemblance whatsoever," Thompson says.
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Disturbing that they haven't caught and killed Bin Laden and Zawahiri; they had Bin Laden at Tora Bora and then let him get away because they only had 50 US troops on the ground and couldn't get authorization for more.
Not catching or killing Bin Laden is a major sore spot with me. We relied on the Northern Alliance to catch him. We should have had the troops on the ground to get the job done. Now the spin is Bin laden isn't of major importance to catch. He should have been caught or killed before 2001 was over.
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LOL... bmac... ignore that northern alliance noise... we bombed 1 of 2 roads, we only guarded 3 or 4 sides, and we watched on radar as his 1000-car convoy escaped to jalalabad then across border
Without Osama, there is no money for defense spending. He will never be caught (although anyone without a US Media badge will tell ya the dude died in Egypt in late 2001/early 2002)
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He means america's attitude to terrorism changed after 9/11....and he has a point, for decades the IRA was letting bombs off all over the UK killing civilians, children etc and this was not condemned by the US despite the fact that america is supposed to be an ally....even US presidents entertained that IRA pussy Gerry Adams at the whitehouse when he used to travel to New York and Boston on another fundraiser for the IRA....after 9/11 it dawned on a lot of americans that had been bankrolling and sympathising with the IRA that perhaps terrorism wasnt so funny afterall.
9/11 was shocking nonetheless but you'll have to excuse some of us brits for not getting too worked up over it as we lived with (irish-american funded) terrorism for too fucking long.
From our point of view 9/11 quickly brought about an end to IRA funding coming from the US and in our eyes thats a good thing.
Excellent post. After 911 when Gerry Adams and Martin Mcguiness [leaders of IRA/Sinn Fein] went to the states to fundraise for their terrorist activities they were blanked by the American establishment. evern a republican senator, whose name i've forgotton had nothing to do with them.
240, during the 'troubles' well over thre thousand people have been murdered. That is hardly "insignificant".
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Excellent post. After 911 when Gerry Adams and Martin Mcguiness [leaders of IRA/Sinn Fein] went to the states to fundraise for their terrorist activities they were blanked by the American establishment. evern a republican senator, whose name i've forgotton had nothing to do with them.
240, during the 'troubles' well over thre thousand people have been murdered. That is hardly "insignificant".
where did I say anything was insignificant?
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Excellent post. After 911 when Gerry Adams and Martin Mcguiness [leaders of IRA/Sinn Fein] went to the states to fundraise for their terrorist activities they were blanked by the American establishment. evern a republican senator, whose name i've forgotton had nothing to do with them.
240, during the 'troubles' well over thre thousand people have been murdered. That is hardly "insignificant".
I don't know or have a clue who funds the IRA. But to say 3,000 Americans deserved to die in an act of terrorism won't have anybody agreeing with what you say. Its downright sick. Making that statement in America is liable to get you killed.
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Excellent post. After 911 when Gerry Adams and Martin Mcguiness [leaders of IRA/Sinn Fein] went to the states to fundraise for their terrorist activities they were blanked by the American establishment. evern a republican senator, whose name i've forgotton had nothing to do with them.
240, during the 'troubles' well over thre thousand people have been murdered. That is hardly "insignificant".
What is amusing is that our government now wants the ban on Sinn Fein fund-raising in the U.S to be lifted, but Bush is not having any of it.
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I was at home, here (in London) and heard it on the radio news. I listened to that. I didn't turn the tv on till next day. I couldn't
oh L
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What is amusing is Sinn Fein
Now, that was something else I never watched. What are you talking about?
this thread is about where where u 9/11?
I doubt Gerry Adams has much to do with that , but maybe he has. You never know.
I remember when he was not allowed on tv either.
don't like tv much
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we need to do separate CT threads and stick to them:
we're doing 9/11 here.
the ira is not a conspiracy. only kidding.
I have a theory here: If us fucking brits gave back ireland they might set an example to the rest of the world. What the fuck is that (old?) war about? I lived here when the IRA were (were they?) bombing big time.
I'm so upset about iraq, palestine (20-30 years ago), iran (coming up.
I will not be able to keep up with the middle east.
Syria.
Hezzbolla and Hamas
Israel
Lebanon.
How can we possibly know?
& I cannot keep up with the domestic news
no complantancey. I'm watching newnight and quoting paxman, okay?
xL
lacking perceptual framework
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I don't know or have a clue who funds the IRA.
The IRA was heavily funded for years by Irish Americans in NYC.
But to say 3,000 Americans deserved to die in an act of terrorism won't have anybody agreeing with what you say. Its downright sick. Making that statement in America is liable to get you killed.
As equally sick as saying 3,000 Afgani deserved to die when Kabul was bombed to rubble, or that 50,000 Iraqi deserved to die in an illegal war of aggression, or that 1,000 Lebanese deserved to die, and thousands more left orphaned & homeless because... ???
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>>>there's a thread on the bbc news website: they are breaking down all of the CTs
name your fave:
holocaust
hiroshima
marilyn monroe
princess diana
wtc 9/!!
7/7 in london.
pick one...
there are thousands. we don't know the half of it. gimme half a chance.
I'm beginning to think all of it is a put on
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The IRA was heavily funded for years by Irish Americans in NYC.
big time war here
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I was landed on the moon circa 1969. I missed 9/11/2001
xL
I'm here now
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you weren't there--your were ironing my shirt, b--ch
and the world revolves
xxxL