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In Six years ( 2001 through 2007) the United States will most likely be warring with and setting up longterm infrastructure in three nations (Afghanistan, Iraq, and Iran). On the horizon loom Syria and later, North Korea.
Two questions for you
First, will we be leaving these countries once we have settled peace? Our longterm military bases say no.
Second, will this trend continue? Will the US tackle five countries per decade for the next 50 years? is this not an attempt for world domination? If not, what is?
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In Six years ( 2001 through 2007) the United States will most likely be warring with and setting up longterm infrastructure in three nations (Afghanistan, Iraq, and Iran). On the horizon loom Syria and later, North Korea.
Two questions for you
First, will we be leaving these countries once we have settled peace? Our longterm military bases say no.
Second, will this trend continue? Will the US tackle five countries per decade for the next 50 years? is this not an attempt for world domination? If not, what is?
1. We don't run Afghanistan. We are moving towards turning over complete control of Iraq. We will not occupy Iran, Syria, or North Korea. We already have a sufficient military presence in the Middle East and in South Korea.
2. We don't need to make an attempt at world domination, because we're already the only super power left on the planet.
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There's already peace in Iran
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There's already peace in Iran
jaguar, have you ever thought of taking a trip to Iran?
I'm sure that as a woman of African descent, you would have a great time in that country.
You really should go sometime.
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jaguar, have you ever thought of taking a trip to Iran?
I'm sure that as a woman of African descent, you would have a great time in that country.
You really should go sometime.
Try being a skinny white kid walking through a bad part of gang Cleveland.
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jaguar, have you ever thought of taking a trip to Iran?
I'm sure that as a woman of African descent, you would have a great time in that country.
You really should go sometime.
Just remember to leave the shorts and skirts at home. And keep your mouth shut.
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Try being a skinny white kid walking through a bad part of gang Cleveland.
yeah, the city govt. of Cleveland really has it in for skinny white kids something terrible.
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We are moving towards turning over complete control of Iraq.
bwhaaaaahaaaaahaaaaaaaa. ...bwaaaahaaaaaaaa.....d amn....lmao..good one...ayeeeee...you should do stand up! :)
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yeah, the city govt. of Cleveland really has it in for skinny white kids something terrible.
No, but they do not put the resources into putting police resources into poor areas. I used to get my ass kicked up there now and then.
bwhaaaaahaaaaahaaaaaaaa. ...bwaaaahaaaaaaaa.....d amn....lmao..good one...ayeeeee...you should do stand up! :)
Beach bum believes we're building govt bases and haliburton KB office complexes because we're getting ready to leave. Monster fooled.
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bwhaaaaahaaaaahaaaaaaaa. ...bwaaaahaaaaaaaa.....d amn....lmao..good one...ayeeeee...you should do stand up! :)
I guess my neighbor who just returned from Iraq made up all the stuff he just told me on Sunday. ::)
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No, but they do not put the resources into putting police resources into poor areas. I used to get my ass kicked up there now and then.
Beach bum believes we're building govt bases and haliburton KB office complexes because we're getting ready to leave. Monster fooled.
Actually, I believe there was an international conspiracy to murder innocent civilians. I also believe Timothy McVeigh was not executed and that Barbara Olsen was captured and secretly released overseas.
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I guess my neighbor who just returned from Iraq made up all the stuff he just told me on Sunday. ::)
Wht did he tell you?
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bwhaaaaahaaaaahaaaaaaaa. ...bwaaaahaaaaaaaa.....d amn....lmao..good one...ayeeeee...you should do stand up! :)
The tree of liberty must be watered periodically with the blood of tyrants and patriots....something you will never understand
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The tree of liberty must be watered periodically with the blood of tyrants and patriots....something you will never understand
If that's the case the liberty tree is gonna grow real big this year, ...and bear some strange fruit. :-\
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I guess my neighbor who just returned from Iraq made up all the stuff he just told me on Sunday. ::)
ok beach...i have the money and people here know i do..wanna bet 5 grand..and we'll let the bet stand..that we wont be out of iraq in the next 5 yrs?
watcha say?
i KNOW..that people here know i'm good for it...watcha say man...?
Bush has made a mess..you CANT go into a country to SAVE it from a tyrant and then when shit dosen't work ya say..owell..i tried..i'm out u CANT..you'll lose face in the global economy..bush fucked up BIG time...wait..no...Bush fucked this country BIG time..i'm rich..wont effect me man..i can pack up and move tomorrow..so is bush..bush made billions...it'll effect you..and not right now..give it about 5ish yrs ;)
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If that's the case the liberty tree is gonna grow real big this year, ...and bear some strange fruit. :-\
Like I said you will never understand
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The tree of liberty must be watered periodically with the blood of tyrants and patriots....something you will never understand
jerk off...lower the dose.....
what a fucking cop out quote..the person that said it said it EXACTLY for the reason of controlling dumb cu nts like yourself..lol hook line sinker..its ok man..as i said..i'm global..shit happens i'll pack up and move..so is my family..we have the cash...YOU r the ne thats gonna get fucked..and sing the praises of bush as your family lives a lowr standard of live...keep sucking cock man...people like you make people like me rich ;D
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Run and Hide....I got it
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ok beach...i have the money and people here know i do..wanna bet 5 grand..and we'll let the bet stand..that we wont be out of iraq in the next 5 yrs?
watcha say?
i KNOW..that people here know i'm good for it...watcha say man...?
Bush has made a mess..you CANT go into a country to SAVE it from a tyrant and then when shit dosen't work ya say..owell..i tried..i'm out u CANT..you'll lose face in the global economy..bush fucked up BIG time...wait..no...Bush fucked this country BIG time..i'm rich..wont effect me man..i can pack up and move tomorrow..so is bush..bush made billions...it'll effect you..and not right now..give it about 5ish yrs ;)
I bet we will have a presence in Iraq in five years. Will we be running the country? No. They'll have their own government, military, police, etc.
I'm not a betting man. I lost the last bet I made: that Kevan Barlow would outscore Deuce McAllister in fantasy football a couple years ago. Cost me lunch. :'(
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Will we be running the country? No.
awww...its so cute that ya believ that.. :)
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I guess my neighbor who just returned from Iraq made up all the stuff he just told me on Sunday. ::)
AHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHHAAHAHa...... I always check with my neighbor for the final truth..... ::)
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AHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHHAAHAHa...... I always check with my neighbor for the final truth..... ::)
I'd check with your neighbor too if he was an Army officer who just spent a year in Iraq. ::)
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I'd check with your neighbor too if he was an Army officer who just spent a year in Iraq. ::)
Can you ask the nurse on your street about the future of Universal Health Care in the US? thanks. Also, the girl sunbathing in her backyard - please ask her about the effects of global warming.
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Can you ask the nurse on your street about the future of Universal Health Care in the US? thanks. Also, the girl sunbathing in her backyard - please ask her about the effects of global warming.
Cannot. All of my female neighbors have had at least one baby in about the past 18-24 months. No sunbathing going on in my hood. No nurses either. But if you want to know about cruise ships, the Army, teaching, or flying a plane, I can probably get some information.
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for real dude - why are we putting up longterm infrastructure in the place if we plan to bail?
American firms are seriously moving in, and our bases are getting bigger, not smaller.
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for real dude - why are we putting up longterm infrastructure in the place if we plan to bail?
American firms are seriously moving in, and our bases are getting bigger, not smaller.
I don't believe you.
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Hey beach..toxie (my second favorite Paki) is right...we're never leaving..either place. Iraq is way to unstable and the Afghans are way to incompetent. I wish it was not so..I hate this place.
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I don't believe you.
Okay.
A rolling, forward-operating, expeditionary, or temporary base is what they use for a 6 to 12 month plan.
Last year we added 14 'enduring' bases in Iraq. These are long-term bases, designed for 2 to 10 year committments.
Infrastructure never lies, my friend. Look where the airports, power grids, and barber shops are popping up. Those are the places where people will be staying for quite some time.
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Hey beach..toxie (my second favorite Paki) is right...we're never leaving..either place. Iraq is way to unstable and the Afghans are way to incompetent. I wish it was not so..I hate this place.
I actually agreed that we will have a presence in five years. I doubt we ever completely pull out either. But he is essentially saying we will be running the government. I don't believe that. Do you?
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I actually agreed that we will have a presence in five years. I doubt we ever completely pull out either. But he is essentially saying we will be running the government. I don't believe that. Do you?
No. I said "American firms are seriously moving in, and our bases are getting bigger, not smaller. " and you said "I don't believe you."
Show me where I posted on this thread that we'll be running the govt. I didn't.
What I said is that our military and firms are setting up for the long haul. The govt will be independently run, but they'll be crippled by longterm unfair contracts which give most of the profit to US firms and just allow the Iraqis to keep their head above water. And we politely tell the Iraqi leaders which companies and contracts they will agree to.
Think about it this way. do you really think that, with the entire world vying for their oil, the new Iraqi president would really choose a no-bid US company to manage their only reseouce? hahahahah never ever.
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No. I said "American firms are seriously moving in, and our bases are getting bigger, not smaller. " and you said "I don't believe you."
Show me where I posted on this thread that we'll be running the govt. I didn't.
What I said is that our military and firms are setting up for the long haul. The govt will be independently run, but they'll be crippled by longterm unfair contracts which give most of the profit to US firms and just allow the Iraqis to keep their head above water. And we politely tell the Iraqi leaders which companies and contracts they will agree to.
Think about it this way. do you really think that, with the entire world vying for their oil, the new Iraqi president would really choose a no-bid US company to manage their only reseouce? hahahahah never ever.
Ah so. 240 you have somewhat of a reading comprehension problem. Headhunter was talking about an exchange I had with Toxic. I responded to Headhunter's comments about Toxic. I was not talking about you.
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ah gotcha. In that case, do you see our insistence on iraq choosing no-bid US firms strongly tied into the military industrial complex as a sign that we might be sticking around for a bit?
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for real dude - why are we putting up longterm infrastructure in the place if we plan to bail?
American firms are seriously moving in, and our bases are getting bigger, not smaller.
And how do you know that?
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All we are doing there guys is putting up a democratic government that will protect our rights to do what ever the "power companies" set themselves up to do and make vicious profits from.
The extent of our military invovlement will be directly tied to the integrity and stablization fo that new democratic government. So as long as there is a threat of civil war i guarantee you we will still be there in force.
The one and only thing that can change that is a drastic change in public opinion
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2. We don't need to make an attempt at world domination, because we're already the only super power left on the planet.
You live in Fantasia land if you think this will last forever.
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And how do you know that?
look it up. it's widely reported. off the top of google, i found this one form the chicago tribune.
globalsecurity.org/org/news/2004/040323-enduring-bases.htm
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ah gotcha. In that case, do you see our insistence on iraq choosing no-bid US firms strongly tied into the military industrial complex as a sign that we might be sticking around for a bit?
I already said we are sticking around. Pretty much forever.
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You live in Fantasia land if you think this will last forever.
Actually, I do live on Fantasy Island, but what makes you think the U.S. will not be a super power one day?
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Actually, I do live on Fantasy Island, but what makes you think the U.S. will not be a super power one day?
http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/20060826-101821-7035r.htm (http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/20060826-101821-7035r.htm)
Because Americans today in general are not as tough as in the old days, maybe? Anyway, it is a fact that, true history, not one superpower ever last. Not even the Roman empire.
Why should the mighty U.S of A. be any different?
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http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/20060826-101821-7035r.htm (http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/20060826-101821-7035r.htm)
Because Americans today in general are not as tough as in the old days, maybe? Anyway, it is a fact that, true history, not one superpower ever last. Not even the Roman empire.
Why should the mighty U.S of A. be any different?
Interesting editorial. He mentions our "retreat under fire from Mogadishu 10 years later." The worst mistake of the Clinton presidency IMO. Les Aspen refused to give the commanders on the ground the hardware they needed and asked for because he was worried about how it would look back home. So our boys get slaughtered. How ironic that Apsen died some time later. The blood of those soldiers was on his hands.
But regarding the super power issue, I don't see anything that will bring us to our knees in the near future. We don't face any military threat. Our borders are secure from an enemy invasion. We have good, smart people throughout the government and private sectors. We have the most sophisticated weapons in the world. Some of the primary threats we face are ballooning debt, aging baby boomers, natural disasters, and terrorism. We can handle the debt if we get our act together. Not sure we can completely control the rest.
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Interesting editorial. He mentions our "retreat under fire from Mogadishu 10 years later." The worst mistake of the Clinton presidency IMO. Les Aspen refused to give the commanders on the ground the hardware they needed and asked for because he was worried about how it would look back home. So our boys get slaughtered. How ironic that Apsen died some time later. The blood of those soldiers were on his hands.
But regarding the super power issue, I don't see anything that will bring us to our knees in the near future. We don't face any military threat. Our borders are secure from an enemy invasion. We have good, smart people throughout the government and private sectors. We have the most sophisticated weapons in the world. Some of the primary threats we face are ballooning debt, aging baby boomers, natural disasters, and terrorism. We can handle the debt if we get our act together. Not sure we can completely control the rest.
China is the next threat as their economy is growing by 10% per year. By 2020 it will be bigger than ours at that rate.
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China is the next threat as their economy is growing by 10% per year. By 2020 it will be bigger than ours at that rate.
Yeah, but they have close to 1.5 billion people to feed.
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Yeah, but they have close to 1.5 billion people to feed.
It doesn't matter. It's the technological equalilty combined with economic and man power that will make them true rivals. They'd been getting by feeding their people for years on a poor economy.
Ask some of your higher ranking friends who are still in the military about this. I bet they have been breifed on some of these things already.
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I dig chinese food!
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I dig chinese food!
I hate Chinese food!
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It doesn't matter. It's the technological equalilty combined with economic and man power that will make them true rivals. They'd been getting by feeding their people for years on a poor economy.
Ask some of your higher ranking friends who are still in the military about this. I bet they have been breifed on some of these things already.
Ozmo the only way I see China becoming a super power is if communism falls. I do think it will eventually fall in China, but until then, I don't see them as a major threat to the U.S. Actually, I doubt they will ever be a threat. They will be a rival and competitor, but we won't have to worry about them storming our shores.
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Ozmo the only way I see China becoming a super power is if communism falls. I do think it will eventually fall in China, but until then, I don't see them as a major threat to the U.S. Actually, I doubt they will ever be a threat. They will be a rival and competitor, but we won't have to worry about them storming our shores.
You need to research it, bud. It's a fact. Time has done a story on it, in fact a few months ago i think they had it on thier cover page.
Communism isn't the problem in China......it's government authorized capitalism in China that's flurishing.
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Americans are turning into fat-lazy pieces of drugged out garbage. We better watch our Backs, cause we will in a decade be in serious trouble!
F ing Scary!
When more people vote for the american idol than for president, that my friend is a sad sad state no matter who's fault it is.
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You need to research it, bud. It's a fact. Time has done a story on it, in fact a few months ago i think they had it on thier cover page.
Communism isn't the problem in China......it's government authorized capitalism in China that's flurishing.
So let's assume China has a thriving economy and makes substantial technological advancements. How would that negatively impact the U.S.? I guess if they produced vastly superior products and put American companies out of business, that could have a significant impact, but the U.S. has been flooded with China products for years.
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Americans are turning into fat-lazy pieces of drugged out garbage. We better watch our Backs, cause we will in a decade be in serious trouble!
F ing Scary!
When more people vote for the american idol than for president, that my friend is a sad sad state no matter who's fault it is.
I completely agree. Obesity is a huge problem. Voter apathy has been a terrible problem for years. It's unfortunate. We've got issues.
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So let's assume China has a thriving economy and makes substantial technological advancements. How would that negatively impact the U.S.? I guess if they produced vastly superior products and put American companies out of business, that could have a significant impact, but the U.S. has been flooded with China products for years.
What happens when a coutry becomes a economic super power? They become a military super power and challange our dominance in the world. We'll have a simlar issue like with Iran and they'll side with them and Iran will in effect tell us to bugger off. We'll want to preserve tiawan's independance and China will threaten to go to war over it and we will have to either give it up or go to war. The list could go on and on.
what was it like when Russia was a super power? China will be more of a super than Russia becuase they will have a thriving economy to back them.
Seriously, take some time to research it.
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What happens when a coutry becomes a economic super power? They become a military super power and challange our dominance in the world. We'll have a simlar issue like with Iran and they'll side with them and Iran will in effect tell us to bugger off. We'll want to preserve tiawan's independance and China will threaten to go to war over it and we will have to either give it up or go to war. The list could go on and on.
what was it like when Russia was a super power? China will be more of a super than Russia becuase they will have a thriving economy to back them.
Seriously, take some time to research it.
O.K. I will.
One of the reasons I think China will not be like the former USSR is communism will eventually fall. When that happens, it will be much harder for them to start and maintain any kind of cold war with the U.S.
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O.K. I will.
One of the reasons I think China will not be like the former USSR is communism will eventually fall. When that happens, it will be much harder for them to start and maintain any kind of cold war with the U.S.
Agreed, but China's direction is capitalism.
My Dad travels there all the time with the military attending diplomatic conferences etc.... China today is not what you might be thinking it is.
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Agreed, but China's direction is capitalism.
My Dad travels there all the time with the military attending diplomatic conferences etc.... China today is not what you might be thinking it is.
O.K. I'll read up on it. May take a while. I'm a slow reader, particularly with nonfiction. :)
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So let's assume China has a thriving economy and makes substantial technological advancements. How would that negatively impact the U.S.? I guess if they produced vastly superior products and put American companies out of business, that could have a significant impact, but the U.S. has been flooded with China products for years.
first it was japan, then it was the EU (which is far less United than they make it out to be), now it's china . . . wonder when it will be india's turn?
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my bad, I forgot that before Japan it was going to be Russia.
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my bad, I forgot that before Japan it was going to be Russia.
It was never going to be russia. That was done to help encourage investing. But Time had a big article on India a month ago. You see it's not the economy now, it is the rate of growth over the last 5 years.
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Last time I checked, India had the fastest growing middle class.
Ozmo is correct, the economic superpower of the future will be China.
I'm placing my stake there as I type. China's economy will dwarf the US's and I'm getting my piece of the pie
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We don't have to worry about China until they need more natural resources..whether its oil or food. Both are very good reasons to go to war. Ozmo are u saying they are or are not a threat.....I would prefer that they not be. The economic free zones are booming..It will be hard to force a war that will jeopardize that. Hell Wal mart is there.....They are also natural allies..what ever that means.
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We don't have to worry about China until they need more natural resources..whether its oil or food. Both are very good reasons to go to war. Ozmo are u saying they are or are not a threat.....I would prefer that they not be. The economic free zones are booming..It will be hard to force a war that will jeopardize that. Hell Wal mart is there.....They are also natural allies..what ever that means.
I'm saying in 10 to 15 years they will be a super power that will rival us. We will no longer be the only B.M.O.C. so to speak.
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China and India are on the rise, but come on this is America the land of the almighty dollar we're talking about here. 8)
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China and India are on the rise, but come on this is America the land of the almighty dollar we're talking about here. 8)
Underestimating a potential rival is the beginning of a nation's downfall.
Just look at value of the Euro vs. the dollar when it came out vs. it's value now. Good thing Europe isn't one country.
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China is a Huge threat to us and we would be foolish not to keep that in our heads.
There is peace in Iran???? There is peace when they beat down activists? Move to Iran and see if you can post and say the same negative comments made about our Gov't. We would'nt hear from you for very long.
Chinas generals want to destroy us and they have been quote saying so. Will they ever try? Who knows.
Osama was quoted many times about his hatred of America. look what has happened with radical muslims.
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China is a Huge threat to us and we would be foolish not to keep that in our heads.
There is peace in Iran???? There is peace when they beat down activists? Move to Iran and see if you can post and say the same negative comments made about our Gov't. We would'nt hear from you for very long.
There is a common misconception about many undemocratic governments, that is their people don't know what's going on or that they cannot protest. The truth is, unlike so-called democratic governments, these governments don't have to hide what they're doing because people don't have a say in the matter. But in places that pride themselves on their democratic nature, ...they hide everything, and feed the people bullshit, because if the people really knew what was taking place, they'd demand a stop to it, ...and these so-called democracies would have to tip their hands to the fact that they really are a dictatorship. When you can't justify it, you habve to hide it, ...and when you can't hide it, ..you have to spin it. And when they can no longer spin, prepare for the hammer to come down {psst} ...but of course we all know it will be the 'terrorists' doing it.
Chinas generals want to destroy us and they have been quote saying so. Will they ever try? Who knows.
Osama was quoted many times about his hatred of America. look what has happened with radical muslims.
Yes, ...lets look at what happened with radical muslims. The single biggest factor in radicalizing them throughout their history has been the heavy handed interference & imperialism of others. The torture of islamicists has turn moderate islamicists into extreme radicals, ...and the murder of innocent civilian men, women & children has turned apathetic apolitical types and moderates alike into islamic activists. Current imperialist policy has created more radical islamic fundamentalists than the islamic fundamentalists were ever capable of doing on their own.