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I'm kinda surprised nobody brought this up in a unified thread, or maybe i missed something. The Pope....a man of peace..quotes an old historical text that states (pretty damm correctly) that Islam is very violent etc....and the Muslims react over this outrage with.....what for it..violence. They have called for his death...death against christians....killed a nun who helps poor muslims in Somalia...death against Catholics.....burnt churches etc. Why is it eveybody else had something better to do then these people.
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Fuck the pope... man of peace ::) you are aware that you're mostly asking for Americans to give a rat shit about the pope? ahahahahahaha..... ;D The Muslims are stupid overreacting idiots as was well shown with the cartoon spaz and everything they get a little upset over. They lose support everytime they try to make a point by flipping out. Nobody wants to side with that crap... total and compete idiots... Nothing new here.
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To hell with the pope, save the nuns and send them to me ;D
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Fuck berserker and fuck those damned satanic muslims.
They are a fucking disgrace.
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f**k the pope... man of peace ::) you are aware that you're mostly asking for Americans to give a rat shit about the pope? ahahahahahaha..... ;D The Muslims are stupid overreacting idiots as was well shown with the cartoon spaz and everything they get a little upset over. They lose support everytime they try to make a point by flipping out. Nobody wants to side with that crap... total and compete idiots... Nothing new here.
Very well put.
Why the fcuk would any sane man use century old outdated analysis of Islam when there are lots of modern analysis available? Benedictus is a fcuking cnut.
And once again, the Muslim world shows its ugly face of intolerance.
YIP
Zack
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f**k berserker and f**k those damned satanic muslims.
They are a fucking disgrace.
We found a Catholic ;D
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We found a Catholic ;D
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Pope is a man of peace. Disprove what he quoted and I will pay you $200 immediately via paypal.
Same goes to you Hedgehog. Let's see if you 2 libofaggos are big enough men to accept the challenge.
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Pope is a man of peace. Disprove what he quoted and I will pay you $200 immediately via paypal.
Same goes to you Hedgehog. Let's see if you 2 libofaggos are big enough men to accept the challenge.
You're one illiterate fucktard... Re-read what we said dipshit... I thought you Brits had a better grasp on English than us? Apparently not..... lol......
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You're one illiterate fucktard... Re-read what we said dipshit... I thought you Brits had a better grasp on English than us? Apparently not..... lol......
I understand what you said in its entirety, but you don't want to earn $200? Surely for a man of your knowledge this would be a doddle?
Oh knowledgeable sage Hedge, wilst thou provests thy quotes incorrect and earnest thy's self the rosy sum of 2 hundredeth dollars?
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Be careful of what you see in the media. I've been in Muslim countries like Egypt, Indonesia, Malaysia etc. Never noticed that much hatred against the western world. The media wants to bring the news, and spectacular news is much more interesting then anything.
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Be careful of what you see in the media. I've been in Muslim countries like Egypt, Indonesia, Malaysia etc. Never noticed that much hatred against the western world. The media wants to bring the news, and spectacular news is much more interesting then anything.
http://jihadwatch.org/
Some lovely coverage of peaceful muslims. The sooner these fuckers are fed to pigs the better.
Plan of action to save africa:
Harvest the muslims, feed to pigs, develop an efficient pig breeding program (easy to do), continue feed them suculent muzzies... wallah... a massive food source for africa... STARVATION PROBLEM? WHAT FUCKING STARVATION PROBLEM? ;D
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I understand what you said in its entirety, but you don't want to earn $200? Surely for a man of your knowledge this would be a doddle?
Oh knowledgeable sage Hedge, wilst thou provests thy quotes incorrect and earnest thy's self the rosy sum of 2 hundredeth dollars?
Quit flashing around 200 bucks like it's big money... ::) We're in America, not on The East End LOL... Obviously you do not understand what either of us said at all... LOL... Please show how either one of said anything about the pope's quote being false? Gomer :D You are asking us to prove his quote as false... Why would you toss out that challenge when neither one of us said the quote wasn't true? Because you can't read. ;D
Oh yea, and i don't give a shit about his stupid quote or what you think of it...
Hope that helps whoo hoooo ;D
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Pope is a man of peace. Disprove what he quoted and I will pay you $200 immediately via paypal.
Same goes to you Hedgehog. Let's see if you 2 libofaggos are big enough men to accept the challenge.
He quoted Manuel II:
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."
Fine.
I'll give you two examples where Muhammed didn't ONLY bring things evil and inhuman.
Muhammed severly limited slavery, and also improved the situation of women, by giving rules for marriages.
These are undisputable facts. The situation were worse for women and slaves before, and Muhammad didn't ONLY bring evil and inhumanity to these two situations.
You owe me $200.
YIP
Zack
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He quoted Manuel II:
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."
Fine.
I'll give you two examples where Muhammed didn't ONLY bring things evil and inhuman.
Muhammed severly limited slavery, and also improved the situation of women, by giving rules for marriages.
These are undisputable facts. The situation were worse for women and slaves before, and Muhammad didn't ONLY bring evil and inhumanity to these two situations.
You owe me $200.
YIP
Zack
But from a biblical standpoint, slavery isn't evil and women are. ;D Unless you're going to argue from that persepective Nordic, you owe Zack 200.00....
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NORDIC
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He quoted Manuel II:
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."
Fine.
I'll give you two examples where Muhammed didn't ONLY bring things evil and inhuman.
Muhammed severly limited slavery, and also improved the situation of women, by giving rules for marriages.
These are undisputable facts. The situation were worse for women and slaves before, and Muhammad didn't ONLY bring evil and inhumanity to these two situations.
You owe me $200.
YIP
Zack
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One weak quote and you think you've earned $200? Fucking hell man... the socialist welfare state in europe really does need abolishing if it's producing men as weak as you.
http://www.islamreview.com/articles/slaveryinislam.shtml
Islam institutionalized slavery. Muhammad began to take slaves after he moved to Medina, and had power. Slaves were usually taken in raids on nearby Arab tribes, or war, either through offensive or defensive actions. Islam allows the taking of slaves as "booty", or reward for fighting. This has led to numerous "jihads" by Muslim states and tribes to attack other non-Muslim groups and obtain slaves. Islamic jurisprudence laid down regulations for the proper treatment of slaves. However, abuses have occurred throughout history.
Koran:
To begin with, the Quran justifies slavery, and often mentions slaves. Here are some relevant verses:
33:50 - "Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives to whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty."
This verse clearly shows that Muslims believe that taking slaves in war was a God-given right. These slaves were considered 'booty' or the spoils of war. As the saying goes: to the victors go the spoils.
23:5 - "... except with their wives and slave girls, for these are lawful to them:..."
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One weak quote and you think you've earned $200? Fucking hell man... the socialist welfare state in europe really does need abolishing if it's producing men as weak as you.
http://www.islamreview.com/articles/slaveryinislam.shtml
Koran:
To begin with, the Quran justifies slavery, and often mentions slaves. Here are some relevant verses:
33:50 - "Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives to whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty."
This verse clearly shows that Muslims believe that taking slaves in war was a God-given right. These slaves were considered 'booty' or the spoils of war. As the saying goes: to the victors go the spoils.
23:5 - "... except with their wives and slave girls, for these are lawful to them:..."
The quote by Manuel II was:
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."
I showed two examples where Mohammed clearly didn't ONLY brought things "evil and inhuman".
I proved the quote wrong, that is what was needed for the $200.
Now you need to walk the walk.
And no, I am not saying that Muhammed took away slavery, or made the situation for women good. He only improved it.
YIP
Zack
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Interestingly enough, from the site you quotes, I find this passage:
The Quran also instructs Muslims NOT to force their female slaves into prostitution (24:34), and even allows Muslims to marry slaves if they so desire (4:24), and to free them at times as a penalty for crime or sin (4:92, 5:89, 58:3) and even allows slaves to buy their liberty, if they meet certain of their master's conditions (24:33). [90:10 'freeing of a bondsman' refers to Muslims ransoming other Muslims who were slaves of non-Muslims.]
Clearly an example of not ONLY evil and inhumanity.
The slaves shouldn't be forced into prostitution. That, alone, is one example good enough.
And since it's from a site you yourself used as a source, I suppose you will recognize it.
You owe me $200.
YIP
Zack
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Slaves have to buy their liberty and freedoms?
My quotes clearly state they were allowed to take slaves, as prescribed by god.
They could take booty also too, prescribed by God.
33:50 - "Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives to whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty."
There are hundreds of Hadith that deal with slavery. Whole chapters of Hadith are dedicated to dealing with the taxation, treatment, sale, and jurisprudence of slaves. In addition to this, numerous Hadith mention slaves, and their relation to their Muslim masters. Here is a selection of Hadith on slaves: [all Hadith are from Sahih Bukhari, unless noted.]
Vol. 7-#137 Narrated Abu al-Khudri: "We got female captives in the war booty and we used to do coitus interruptus with them. So we asked Allah's messenger about it and he said, "Do you really do that?" repeating the question thrice, "There is no soul that is destined to exist but will come into existence, till the Day of Resurrection.""
Here, Muslims had taken female slaves, and had sex with them. Muhammad approved of this. He only admonished them not to practice coitus interruptus.
Vol. 7-#734 "....At the door of the [Muhammad's] room there was a slave to whom I went and said, "Ask the permission for me to enter".....
the quote reveals that Muhammad has slaves working in his house
In contrast to Muhammad Jesus Christ brought the Gospel of Grace and freedom.
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus" (Gal. 3:28).
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Hold on Nordic.... I'm going to have to re-think things.... Are you saying if I go Muslim, I get all the booty I want ;D WELL Fuck . If I didn't already I'd take up that offer!!! :P
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Slaves have to buy their liberty and freedoms?
My quotes clearly state they were allowed to take slaves, as prescribed by god.
They could take booty also too, prescribed by God.
33:50 - "Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives to whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty."
There are hundreds of Hadith that deal with slavery. Whole chapters of Hadith are dedicated to dealing with the taxation, treatment, sale, and jurisprudence of slaves. In addition to this, numerous Hadith mention slaves, and their relation to their Muslim masters. Here is a selection of Hadith on slaves: [all Hadith are from Sahih Bukhari, unless noted.]
Vol. 7-#137 Narrated Abu al-Khudri: "We got female captives in the war booty and we used to do coitus interruptus with them. So we asked Allah's messenger about it and he said, "Do you really do that?" repeating the question thrice, "There is no soul that is destined to exist but will come into existence, till the Day of Resurrection.""
Here, Muslims had taken female slaves, and had sex with them. Muhammad approved of this. He only admonished them not to practice coitus interruptus.
Vol. 7-#734 "....At the door of the [Muhammad's] room there was a slave to whom I went and said, "Ask the permission for me to enter".....
the quote reveals that Muhammad has slaves working in his house
In contrast to Muhammad Jesus Christ brought the Gospel of Grace and freedom.
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus" (Gal. 3:28).
Sure, the Hadiths are filled with horrendous examples of evil.
But, here is the thing.
You wanted me to disprove what the pope quoted.
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Pope is a man of peace. Disprove what he quoted and I will pay you $200 immediately via paypal.
Same goes to you Hedgehog. Let's see if you 2 libofaggos are big enough men to accept the challenge.
The quote (Manuel II) was:
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."
You yourself gave us examples of where Mohammed DIDN'T only bring evil and inhumanity:
The Quran also instructs Muslims NOT to force their female slaves into prostitution (24:34), and even allows Muslims to marry slaves if they so desire (4:24), and to free them at times as a penalty for crime or sin (4:92, 5:89, 58:3) and even allows slaves to buy their liberty, if they meet certain of their master's conditions (24:33). [90:10 'freeing of a bondsman' refers to Muslims ransoming other Muslims who were slaves of non-Muslims.]
These are all examples where slaves aren't the subject of no protection.
You yourself supplied us with evidence that you are wrong.
Now, will you pay?
YIP
Zack
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What are you talking about, you're saying that slavery is ok, not evil if the female slaves are not forced into prostitution? ???
Is slavery evil and inhuman?
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What are you talking about, you're saying that slavery is ok, not evil if the female slaves are not forced into prostitution? ???
Is slavery evil and inhuman?
If Mohammed limited the abuse of the female slaves (not allowing for forcing into prostitution)
we cannot say that all things that Mohammed brought are evil and inhuman.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."
Now, time to pay up.
YIP
Zack
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Owned... Pay up... And learn what ONLY means :P
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Owned... Pay up... And learn what ONLY means :P
Hahaha, if he has come out on top of this discussion then it is thru technicalities.
Is there an anonamous paypal like service? I'm not having some swedish socialist islamist knowing who am I, where I live and who i work for.
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I tell you what Nordic, I'm going to give you the option of not paying.
To be fair, I don't think you had read what the Pope quoted, and just assumed he wouldn't quote stuff that isn't true.
So it's all cool with me. But at least admit your mistake instead of getting yourself wounded up in these Hadiths and Quran quotes.
Because nothing of it will ever provide anything but the fact that even if Mohammed brought lots of evil and inhumanity, that wasn't the ONLY thing he brought.
YIP
Zack
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I tell you what Nordic, I'm going to give you the option of not paying.
To be fair, I don't think you had read what the Pope quoted, and just assumed he wouldn't quote stuff that isn't true.
So it's all cool with me. But at least admit your mistake instead of getting yourself wounded up in these Hadiths and Quran quotes.
Because nothing of it will ever provide anything but the fact that even if Mohammed brought lots of evil and inhumanity, that wasn't the ONLY thing he brought.
YIP
Zack
Zack, man-up for once. Did he bring evil and inhumanity? YES/NO (no liberal skating around the question)
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Hahaha, if he has come out on top of this discussion then it is thru technicalities.
Is there an anonamous paypal like service? I'm not having some swedish socialist islamist knowing who am I, where I live and who i work for.
Welcome to real life... Pay Zack man... Or is 200.00 bucks more than you can handle ;D So what are you saying man, you never intended on paying if your bet was accepted and you lost? And Gimme a break, Zack has to be about the most impartial common sense guy on these boards... He's not going after you ::)
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Zack, man-up for once. Did he bring evil and inhumanity? YES/NO (no liberal skating around the question)
Yes. Of course he did, although I'd rather choose to call it that he cherished and re-inforced many things evil and inhuman, but that's mainly a choice of words.
But that is NOT what I have been disproving.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."
My point, through this whole thread, and where I disproved the quote, with help from you, is that it's a lie to claim that Mohammed brought ONLY things evil and inhuman.
YIP
Zack
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Find me an anonomous money sending service and I will pay the man. Where did I say I wouldn't?
I can't afford to disclose my professional life by using Paypal tho... simple.
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"ONLY" is my new most hated word. >:(
Beaten via a clause in the great English language by a non-native speaker. This is a sad day for all of humanity :'(
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Not to mention Nordic, that you DID misread what was originally said in the first place... No suggestion was made that the quote was either true or false--your challenge assumes a position is made without any statement to that effect.
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"ONLY" is my new most hated word. >:(
Beaten via a clause in the great English language by a non-native speaker. This is a sad day for all of humanity :'(
But again, you as always opened yourself up for it. You really need to start approaching your arguments for a second from the receiving perspective. Just take a second and think about what you're saying before you say it.
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"ONLY" is my new most hated word. >:(
Beaten via a clause in the great English language by a non-native speaker. This is a sad day for all of humanity :'(
Bro, I said it's all cool.
No need to pay shit.
Who the fcuk's got Paypal anyways? ;D
YIP
Zack
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Just take a second and think about what you're saying before you say it.
Damn, when the knifes in, you liberals like to twist it, and then play with the wound... :-X
Now you've resorted to patronising me! CALM DOWN! :-*
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Find me an anonomous money sending service and I will pay the man. Where did I say I wouldn't?
I can't afford to disclose my professional life by using Paypal tho... simple.
They're all over the net. wait come to think of it, I think you can pay with paypal and not show your address and name. Lucky you don't have to pay anyway ;)
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Damn, when the knifes in, you liberals like to twist it, and then play with the wound... :-X
Now you've resorted to patronising me! CALM DOWN! :-*
Hey, I'm just trying to help... You're the only person on getbig that I tried to warn because of how harshly you were setting yourself up and if you go back to those first posts you'll remember me giving you a friendly warning several times... Not trying to twist the knife.
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Fuck the Pope huh..yeah...equating the rags... any piece of shit rag with the Pope...gimme a break...I'm Catholic. You really offended me..but guess what..I'll go watch some porn....eat..take a dump and get over it..The rags would come find u and burn down your house. Look all I ask Berserk..since u offended me is post some ass shots and all would be forgiven..if not a curse upon u.... ;D
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That Byzantine emperor was partially right, Muhammad did spread Islam via the sword.
But every religion is guilty of spreading by using violence.
Honestly, I don't see what the big deal is, muslims need to chill the fuck out!
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We have Freedom of Speech! The so called European leaders should have backed him up on that speech, but these cowards didn't. Usually they babble away with their nonsensical promises and lies, but in this case they keep their mouths shut, like the cowards that they are.
We have freedom of speech, and that should be defended at all costs.
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f**k the Pope huh..yeah...equating the rags... any piece of shit rag with the Pope...gimme a break...I'm Catholic. You really offended me..but guess what..I'll go watch some porn....eat..take a dump and get over it..The rags would come find u and burn down your house. Look all I ask Berserk..since u offended me is post some ass shots and all would be forgiven..if not a curse upon u.... ;D
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I tell you what Nordic, I'm going to give you the option of not paying.
Screw that! >:(
I say make him pay up! ;D
He can do so anonymously through moneygram http://www.moneygram.com (http://www.moneygram.com)
It's not like you challenged him. He ran his mouth and threw the bet out there. Make him put up or shut up! ;D
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Screw that! >:(
I say make him pay up! ;D
He can do so anonymously through moneygram http://www.moneygram.com (http://www.moneygram.com)
It's not like you challenged him. He ran his mouth and threw the bet out there. Make him put up or shut up! ;D
Fair dues.
Give me the word - and it shall be.