hhahahahahahaha, you should have seen Chris Wallace he was so owned he couldn't even speak.
this dem-repub fingerpointing is a nice distraction that I hope no one buys into.he's still alive, anyone who knows anything about Muslim tradition knows that a man like Bin Laden who is so revered in the Muslim world will be buried as soon as he dies it's part of the religious tradition, we would have definitely heard about it, my question is that it seems that Pakistan seems to have all this info on OBL yet interestingly can't seem to locate him, hmmmmmmmmmm. ::)
Both Presidents allowed bin laden to operate freely.
You can argue all day about 'who tried to do more', but neither man, with more resources at his fingertips than anyone in the world, did enough to kill OBL.
Perhaps instead of saying "My guy did 30% effort and your guy only did 15% effort! Pwned", we should be asking "Is it possible that an alive Osama is more beneficial to a President than a Dead OBL"?
Can anyone think about what resources would suddenly be removed with news of a dead OBL?
Former president Bill Clinton angrily defended his administration's counterterrorism record during a Fox News interview to be aired today, while accusing "President Bush's neocons" and other Republicans of ignoring Osama bin Laden until the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.
Clinton had planned to discuss his climate change initiative during his appearance on "Fox News Sunday," but he turned combative after host Chris Wallace asked why he hadn't "put bin Laden and al-Qaeda out of business." Clinton shot back that "all the conservative Republicans" who now criticize him for inattention to bin Laden used to criticize him for over-attention to bin Laden . . .
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/23/AR2006092300928.html
hahahahaha, now Chris wallace is on Fox News and he's saying that he was physically scared of Clinton because Clinton came forward in his chair. ::)
Why take sides? Neither Clinton nor Bush did jack shit. Both sides are going to blame the other while neither have done shit for us. We really need someone to come in, clean house and take care of business. f**k being left wing or right wing. Somebody who will just make the right decisions for once.
Why take sides? Neither Clinton nor Bush did jack shit. Both sides are going to blame the other while neither have done shit for us. We really need someone to come in, clean house and take care of business. f**k being left wing or right wing. Somebody who will just make the right decisions for once.Agree with that. Good post... and you're very right.... But they're still goobers on Fox ;D Wallace thought Clinton was going to hurt him... Anybody who is that jumpy deserves to receive some shit over it ;D Kinda like when Hannity was worried for his life noting he was a potential target of pie-quada... The guys who tossed cream pies at Ann Coulter... If you're worried about getting killed by a pie.... LOL ;D
Kinda like when Hannity was worried for his life noting he was a potential target of pie-quada... The guys who tossed cream pies at Ann Coulter... If you're worried about getting killed by a pie.... LOL ;D
Why take sides? Neither Clinton nor Bush did jack shit. Both sides are going to blame the other while neither have done shit for us. We really need someone to come in, clean house and take care of business. f**k being left wing or right wing. Somebody who will just make the right decisions for once.
What do you mean Bush didn't do anything? He's caught damn near everyone but BinLaden and continues to go after and fight terrorism around the world.Spoken like a true turd LOL....
NOW you guys watch FOX......LOL!!
BTW, the above posts are your typical Liberal response, so it was fully expected!
What do you mean Bush didn't do anything? He's caught damn near everyone but BinLaden and continues to go after and fight terrorism around the world. I slept in and missed the Clinton interview but from what I read, Clinton didn't own anyone, he just gave his side of the story and I'll bet anyone in the coming days Clintons story will be called bullshit and he'll be called out point by point of the entire interview, why after all these years he's coming out and saying this now, if he truly believes what he told Chris Matthews in that interview, he would have tried to vindicate himself years ago, Matthews just called him out in public and he apparently snapped. BTW, he is right about one thing, he did have a Republican congress which means you can thank them for Clintons deficit reduction during that era!
NOW you guys watch FOX......LOL!!
BTW, the above posts are your typical Liberal response, so it was fully expected!
Spot on... spot on.
Clinton and Albright let Bin Laden get away no less than 3 times while in office. The Sudanese practically handed him over and Clinton refused to lift a finger.
I saw that show. Clinton lied all the way through it. Surprise anyone?
Clinton let Osama live. Period.
Equally messed up - Right after Sept 11th, the Tailban said they would deliver Osama alive, or in a pine box, to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, or they would give us his precise location so we could kill him ourselevs with missiles - on ONE CONDITION.
We had to show them any evidence of osama being involved with 9/11.
Looking back, could we have saved lives, money, and actually got osama, if we had been a little more diplomatic, and a lot less trigger happy.
Wow ... and you believed that? Lol.
I believed Condi Rice when she said that she'd be presenting a white paper to the world shortly, which would contain evidence linking OBL to 911.
We never got that.
Brixxton, I know you're a military man, right? You of all people should realize that war really sucks. What POSSIBLE harm would there have been in letting them Deliver OBL? It took us 3+ weeks to assemble forces and start bombing Afghnistan. We could have faxed them our proof and they would have delivered him in 3 days.
Or do you like it better how things have turned out?
Hmm... trust the Taliban. Oh yeah, the TERRORISTS! I FORGOT! Good idea.
The chances of them delivering anybody were about as high as
Hmm... trust the Taliban. Oh yeah, the TERRORISTS! I FORGOT!
hedgehog said that FOXnews would take on a very pro-hilary stance for the 08 election.And he may have been right, they may very well actually want Hillary... Ol Wallace walked into an ambush on that one... The higher ups had to have known how that would come out when Wallace asked those questions... Look, by pointing these things out, maybe, just maybe some will start to become a little wiser about how we're all being suckered in this game of divide and rule. If the side that hooked you up is now setting you up, you gotta call BS and look closer at what's going on. But with all that aside, it's still sweet seeing a booger like wallace get bitchslapped like that... It's like watching a good street fight... I might not agree with fighting, but fuck that, I still get some sick pleasure out of watching it ;D
I don't know if Clinton was meant to energize repubs, or open up their mind.
National Politics is just theater for the bumbling, anyway.
You're not being rational. We could have given them a 3-day deadline while we prepared for war, as we were doing.
If he arrived in our custody, we could have called off the dogs. If he didn't we could have bombed them to shit, as we did.
I know that "a small fraction of percentage" of soldiers dead in the sands of Afghanistan is acceptable to you, but to me, if it was avoidable, it is unacceptable.
We had NOTHING to lose by giving them a chance to turn him over. Sounds like you just like war.
So I guess we should have done nothing about 911... oops my fault.You'll get real far arguing like that ::)
No deaths are acceptable but neither is failure to act. In which case casualties are expected. What is this a nation of "I'm afraid to stand up for anything" appeasers. So I guess we should have done nothing about 911... oops my fault.
Hmm... so the taliban turned over bin ladens location and Clinton did nothing.... another point showing the incompetence and selfishness of the left. I would also like to point out that when bin ladins loc was given to clinton it would have been much easier to grab him and the information was more reliable. When bush finally had to find him it was 300% more difficult and more speculation. Bush's failure to grab is far more expected.
Of course Bush wanted a pipeline. Oil is this countries lifeblood and everyone should stop attaching something evil to it.
Perhaps you're not listening. We could have had Bin Laden delivered by Sept 20th, dead in a box, or in handcuffs for interrogation, if we had just sent them proof. No US soldiers lost. INSTEAD, we go to battle in mid October, lose men, and don't get OBL. My point is that we had a good chance to avoid any war, and achieve our objective, and WE DECLINED.
The Taliban gave Clinton his location and Clinton fired missiles into that location. They missed killing him by several minutes. Please don't make this about politics.
You are making no sense.
I am listening and you are making a HUGE assumption. Do you really think Bush could've had UBL dead without any lives lost and chose instead to wage a war, lose lives, and put his political rep on the line and be in the mess he's in now? THAT'S what doesn't make sense and THAT'S unreasonable. C'mon man pull your head out of your ass.
So Clinton fires a couple missiles amd misses. THEN WHAT?? NOTHING!!! HE DOESN"T DO ANYHTING!!!... That was as far as it went. So much for backbone or followthrough.
Why oh why would republicans think they're going to help themselves in any way whatsoever by going up head to head against Bill Clinton... That was one hell of a owning Wallace just took and I can't fathom it coming out looking any other way. Either Rove has become Captain Ahab or Zack is exactly right and Murdock is hooking up the Clintons. Wallace just got bitchslapped and left looking like a worm. All this going out to a predominately Republican audience??? What did they hope to gain really? hahahahahahaha.... stupid is as stupid does....
That's the point Brixton. It doesn't make sense, ...and it is unreasonable, ...but thats EXACTLY what happened!
Can you now understand part of the reason why so many disagree with Bush's policies?
What was he supposed to do... bomb a country and destroy it's entire infrastructure, ...forcibly remove governments from office to compensate for his frustration at not killing bin Laden? Venting is occasionally necessary, but venting unwarranted aggression against an innocent nation to appease frustration is not an option for a civilized nation.
Your as delusional as Jag.....Clinton made an ass of himself and his ass is going to get drug through the ringer like it always does....just wait and see!
And what do mean by a predominantely Republican audience? They have the highest rating of just about any network, maybe it's because no one watches the all liberal networks and comes to Fox for some unbias news!!
*Waiting for the flamming*
El Rushbo... nice to have you with us. Hardy har.
I am listening and you are making a HUGE assumption. Do you really think Bush could've had UBL dead without any lives lost and chose instead to wage a war, lose lives, and put his political rep on the line and be in the mess he's in now? THAT'S what doesn't make sense and THAT'S unreasonable. C'mon man pull your head out of your ass.
I don't think you understand what happened in the days after 9/11 - read slowly.
The US called the Taliban in the afternoon of Sept 11, 2001. Went like this:
US: "Give us Osama!"
Taliban: "Okay - just show us proof that someone in our country was involved with that terrible attack, and we'll send you him and anyone else. Here is our email address..."
US: "No. Give him to us now oe die."
Taliban: "Look guys, we wouldn't call you and ask for John Smith of Houston, TX to be killed and delivered for no reason. Give us one piece of evidence that OBL is connected and we'll waste his for you!"
US: "Prepare to be invaded"
The Taliban spent the following 3 weeks telling the world that 1) They had nothing to do with 911, and 2) "Please show us proof and Osama is all yours".
I guess you just like war. Condi could have faxed them anything showing his involvement, and we get to avoid an entire war.
I don't have the patience to search the entire net for evidence to prove otherwise but I believe you are wrong and that is NOT what happened. It is unreasonable and from the getgo and although you and 240 choose to believe every other lie spouted by the media and every CT out there I do not.
Venting is attaching a motive of frustration and rage. What Bush DID do was search and search and search. But I'm sure you have a better understanding of how the search is to be conducted than the commanders in theatre. And what is this infrastructure you speak of... have you ever seen Afghanistan? It is beyond third world. Downright primitive. The only thing we really damaged to any degree was the ability for Al-Queda to strike us again.
The evidence linking UBL to the 911 attack is overwhelming and extensive and that is indisputable. If that was really all it took we wouldn't be going through everything we are. You have no understanding of the way the US Govt and US military function.
I don't think you understand what happened in the days after 9/11 - read slowly.
The US called the Taliban in the afternoon of Sept 11, 2001. Went like this:
US: "Give us Osama!"
Taliban: "Okay - just show us proof that someone in our country was involved with that terrible attack, and we'll send you him and anyone else. Here is our email address..."
US: "No. Give him to us now oe die."
Taliban: "Look guys, we wouldn't call you and ask for John Smith of Houston, TX to be killed and delivered for no reason. Give us one piece of evidence that OBL is connected and we'll waste his for you!"
US: "Prepare to be invaded"
The Taliban spent the following 3 weeks telling the world that 1) They had nothing to do with 911, and 2) "Please show us proof and Osama is all yours".
I guess you just like war. Condi could have faxed them anything showing his involvement, and we get to avoid an entire war.
1. What is your source?
2. I'm glad we went in and fucked them up.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/09/11/world/main310852.shtml
(CBS) Without evidence, Afghanistan's Taliban rulers will not hand over Osama bin Laden, Afghanistan's ambassador to Pakistan said Friday
"Our position on this is that if America has proof, we are ready for the trial of Osama bin Laden in light of the evidence."
Sounds like Bush is basically telling them to "f-off, were not waiting and if you don't give us Osama now we're going to level your ass" and thats what we presicly did and I'm all for doing it again.......and again. Why negotioate with terrorists, the only ones who do that are sypathizers....WTF Rob, do we wait until they do it again? Bush has and always had the right idea of getting them before they get us.
Do you feel "fucking them up" was worth 930 US soliders' lives?
I'm all for justice. it's just that evidence is not there.
Someone breaks into you house and is in your babies room.....do you read their mind and HOPE they do nothing or do blow their fucking head off before they harm your family?? If it was me, they would be lucky if it was just ONE magazine full of shells I load into them instead of three!!
George Bush is disgracing himself in the Oval Office.
-Nothing is worth risking a life unless it's for your family or country, I recently heard that we have VERY high re-inlistment percentage, one source (I can't remember right now) says that it's the highest it's ever been, if that is true, they (the re-inlisting solders) must have thought it was worth it!!
Jesus Christ Bast, is that all you have to offer.....Damn go eat some carbs and rejuvinate your brain, you just reiterated every bandwagon Liberal in America ::)!!
I have the word of the Lord to offer.
Liberals cannot be Christians and believe what they believe.
What is it that they believe that makes it impossible for them to be Christians?
YIP
Zack
I don't have the patience to search the entire net for evidence to prove otherwise but I believe you are wrong and that is NOT what happened. It is unreasonable and from the getgo and although you and 240 choose to believe every other lie spouted by the media and every CT out there I do not.
No, he was SUPPOSED to get UBL the first time and when he passed up those opportunities he let UBL do something far more destructive.
Like 911 for example! It WAS political. He didn't give a damn about finding UBL. And it was obvious at the time he cared more about the Lewinsky crap and saving his own ass.
Venting is attaching a motive of frustration and rage. What Bush DID do was search and search and search. But I'm sure you have a better understanding of how the search is to be conducted than the commanders in theatre. And what is this infrastructure you speak of... have you ever seen Afghanistan? It is beyond third world. Downright primitive. The only thing we really damaged to any degree was the ability for Al-Queda to strike us again.
What do you mean Bush didn't do anything? He's caught damn near everyone but BinLaden and continues to go after and fight terrorism around the world. I slept in and missed the Clinton interview but from what I read, Clinton didn't own anyone, he just gave his side of the story and I'll bet anyone in the coming days Clintons story will be called bullshit and he'll be called out point by point of the entire interview, why after all these years he's coming out and saying this now, if he truly believes what he told Chris Matthews in that interview, he would have tried to vindicate himself years ago, Matthews just called him out in public and he apparently snapped. BTW, he is right about one thing, he did have a Republican congress which means you can thank them for Clintons deficit reduction during that era!
NOW you guys watch FOX......LOL!!
BTW, the above posts are your typical Liberal response, so it was fully expected!
No Brixtonbulldog, that is EXACTLY how it went down. I wasn't in 8th grade when 911 happened. I was just as rivetted as everyone else, and I was glued to daily developments as much as if not more than most Americans. There was an artifical work stoppage going on in my industry at the time, so after a whirlwind summer of back-to-back projects with 16hr work days, in the immediate aftermath of 911, I finally had a moment to catch my breath, with plenty of time on my hands to sit back, watch the news, and catch up on current affairs. The Taliban did infact offer many times to not only locate, but also to provide bin Laden on a silver platter, if the US would simply show them some proof. This is not spin garnered from websites years afterwards. These were events, and news conferences which I witnessed with my own eyes, as they occurred. Whether they received the airplay in the US that they did elsewhere in the world, I cannot say, but the Taliban's offer was well known, and Bush's attitude and how he addressed it was not the way civilized responsible leaders behave.
Since they had no proof, they instead bombed the country. To this very day, the FBI's official position is that they have no proof bin Laden was behind 911.
There was a video that showed Bin Laden bragging about 9-11 and laughing.
I believe that video was faked.
gtbro1, would you be willing to spend 5 minutes reading this page about that tape?
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html
I'd love to hear your reaction. I'll be happy to return a favor someday.
Wow... well that sure makes you think doesn't it? I would have to agree that it is very odd that anyone would allow themselves to be taped admitting to murdering thousands...and the difference in the pics of Bin laden are obvious.But if he is left handed,why is he holding the microphone in his right hand in the one picture?
I am interested to read Mr. Intensone's opinion on this.
I think Mr Intenseone and I are about 2/3 in agreement on issues. We're both repubs and strong believers in justice. I just have Qs about 911, evidence which appears to have been faked, and just how faking he evidence affected our going to war.
If the only thing we have which connects bin laden is that videotape, lol, then I don't know if we could even convict him in a courtroom for 9/11. We have soldiers dying over there every day, and if they're only there cause of this faked tape, it's a sad day for our country :(
The difference between you and Intenseone is that you are at least open to another opinion besides your own.He is a fanatical,and very closed minded
I think Mr Intenseone and I are about 2/3 in agreement on issues. We're both repubs and strong believers in justice. I just have Qs about 911, evidence which appears to have been faked, and just how faking he evidence affected our going to war.
If the only thing we have which connects bin laden is that videotape, lol, then I don't know if we could even convict him in a courtroom for 9/11. We have soldiers dying over there every day, and if they're only there cause of this faked tape, it's a sad day for our country :(
Just watched the interview.They're going to start calling you a conspiracy theorist ;)
Seemed like FoxNews had picked an easy matchup for Clinton, and also gave Clinton the perfect setup to critisise the Bush Administration, since he didn't bring up the topic, it was forced upon him.
Gave Clinton room to flash off his rhetorics and Presidentiality.
Looked like a setup to me.
YIP
Zack
Keep waiting.... ;D Come up with a response worth it and maybe ;)
*Waiting for the flamming*
Atleast Clinton fired cruise missles and shit!
Bush waited till 9/11, but instead of destroying Al-Queda he added to their cause by starting a war in Iraq.
Say what you will about Clinton, but he was a great president. You go anywhere in the world and so many people will have good things to say about Clinton. However, no one will have anything positive to say about Bush.
They're going to start calling you a conspiracy theorist ;)
I just don't like how Murdoch through his media empire tries to not only influence, but directly control the world politics.
One day he supports Bush. Next day Hillary. And in the past, he's supported both Thatcher and Tony Blair.
Murdoch equals bad journalism without integrity. Murdoch equals propaganda.
Fcuk Murdoch! >:(
YIP
Zack
Perhaps you're not listening. We could have had Bin Laden delivered by Sept 20th, dead in a box, or in handcuffs for interrogation, if we had just sent them proof. No US soldiers lost. INSTEAD, we go to battle in mid October, lose men, and don't get OBL. My point is that we had a good chance to avoid any war, and achieve our objective, and WE DECLINED.
The Taliban gave Clinton his location and Clinton fired missiles into that location. They missed killing him by several minutes. Please don't make this about politics.
You are making no sense.
I don't think you understand what happened in the days after 9/11 - read slowly.
The US called the Taliban in the afternoon of Sept 11, 2001. Went like this:
US: "Give us Osama!"
Taliban: "Okay - just show us proof that someone in our country was involved with that terrible attack, and we'll send you him and anyone else. Here is our email address..."
US: "No. Give him to us now oe die."
Taliban: "Look guys, we wouldn't call you and ask for John Smith of Houston, TX to be killed and delivered for no reason. Give us one piece of evidence that OBL is connected and we'll waste his for you!"
US: "Prepare to be invaded"
The Taliban spent the following 3 weeks telling the world that 1) They had nothing to do with 911, and 2) "Please show us proof and Osama is all yours".
I guess you just like war. Condi could have faxed them anything showing his involvement, and we get to avoid an entire war.
I absolutly agree, but would you care to go a step further and provide some possible speculation as to why this is? I have a feeling that's where we might differ but maybe not. What's your take on why he wants Hillary... I think it is revealed right there in the Wallace/Clinton interview.
240, you are making up your own history. The Taliban never gave us Bin laden's location. They never were going to give him up. THEY WERE BUYING TIME! Plain and simple for themsleves and Bin laden. Either you are gullible or your rewriting history to suit your needs.
Rush is no match for Clinton...because of rushes format..He talks ....no one else. He can scream and hoop and holler but it means nothing without an opponent...chris wallace vs bill clinton.......TKO Clinton....same would happen to rush
You don't listen to Rush very much do you.Why don't you just recommend he shove manure in his face.
Why don't you just recommend he shove manure in his face.
I would love the opportunity to shovel shit in his face for talking shit without knowing what the f**k he's talking about.::)
Bill Clinton: ‘We Did Nothing Wrong’
Despite his impeachment, Gennifer Flowers, Whitewater and the other problems that have beset Bill Clinton’s political career, the former president still maintains he did nothing wrong.
During a wide-ranging interview with David Remnick of The New Yorker magazine, Clinton “started to talk about Whitewater, about Kenneth Starr, about how allowing the appointment of a special prosecutor had been ‘the worst decision’ of his presidency,” Remnick writes.
“He talked about old enemies in Arkansas, about the Resolution Trust Corporation, about Gennifer Flowers, about Susan Schmidt of the Washington Post.”
Despite Clinton’s claims he is not looking back, “you could see just how deeply he still feels the attacks of the late ‘90s,” Remnick disclosed. He noted Clinton’s anger is palpable as his “carotid artery seemed to inflate like a jammed garden hose” as these topics were discussed.
But when asked if he thought it would be unbearable to go through all of it again if Hillary ran for president in 2008, Clinton replied: “I don’t care, because we know we did nothing wrong.”
Surprisingly some of Clinton’s closest supporters think he has more to blame than the so-called “Clinton haters.”
Remnick quoted one of Clinton’s closest aides, former Chief of Staff Leon Panetta, regarding Clinton’s state of denial:
“The method he uses to live with himself is to make a clear and precise argument that this was something that others had done to him and not that he had done to himself.
“Because of his brainpower, he can create a logic for anything.
“But deep down he would be such a good person if he could just accept the fact that he screwed up and made mistakes, and move on.”
For crying out loud!!! Clinton has been out of office for 6 yrs now. Get over it! >:(
Sorry Al Gebra, but I HAVE to respond to this left wing wack job................WTF do you mean "get over it" he's the reason why this happend, if the idiot had got him in at least ONE of the ten or more times he had the chance, we might not be in the situation we're in now....but he was a coward and did little if anything to get him, go ahead Jag, I'll wait for your spin >:(!!
Sorry Al Gebra, but I HAVE to respond to this left wing wack job................WTF do you mean "get over it" he's the reason why this happend, if the idiot had got him in at least ONE of the ten or more times he had the chance, we might not be in the situation we're in now....but he was a coward and did little if anything to get him, go ahead Jag, I'll wait for your spin >:(!!
Sorry Al Gebra, but I HAVE to respond to this left wing wack job................WTF do you mean "get over it" he's the reason why this happend, if the idiot had got him in at least ONE of the ten or more times he had the chance, we might not be in the situation we're in now....but he was a coward and did little if anything to get him, go ahead Jag, I'll wait for your spin >:(!!
It wouldn't make much difference if they did catch him. You believe in this "war on terror" nonsense don't you? There are so and so many terrorists and you have to kill them all to solve the problem? ::)
But he planned 911
Maybe not anymore.. it's kinda out of his hands now. But he planned 911 and numerous other attacks around the world so it might have made more of an impact having caught him early. This is exactly why the US/NATO/UN shouldn't let problems get bigger before taking action. Similar to why Saddam became a problem. Democrats in this government and left wing leaders around the world always wanna sit on their thumbs until something horrible happens and then AFTERWARDS remain sitting, pulls thier idle hands out from underneath them and start the finger pointing.
Look, Osama deserved to die for the other shit he did, but will you please show us precisely the evidence you have that bin Laden planned 911?
Cause our FBI doesn't even have any proof.
They could really use the help of a bright guy like you!
Not to mention that the hijackers were linked to him and Al-Queda. He WAS the leader, right. Thought so.Um, Bush is my leader. If I go to the grocery store and beat up a bagboy, can he be held responsible?
OH... that's right. Because that video of him claiming responsibility was a hoax right? If you shot yourself in the mouth you would sound more intelligent.
And exactly WHO was it that funded Saddam and armed him til he became a problem?
And again exactly WHO left Saddam in power after Gulf War I ? ???
Using your logic, the blame would have to be layed squarely at the feet at Bush & Cheney & Rumsfeld for all the Americans dying over there.
Once again.. different time, different enemies. You don't have to like it but we have to play this game of help these people to hurt these people if were going to beat em. Don't think so?
Good luck running a country. It's necassary.
Bush 1 left Saddam in power. BIG MISTAKE. He should've gone to Baghdad and wiped him out the first time. YOU"RE RIGHT ABOUT ONE THING!!! YAY!
Um, Bush is my leader. If I go to the grocery store and beat up a bagboy, can he be held responsible?
Brixton, you're an ignorant f**k. I'm sorry, it's not cool to go there - but it had to be said. Even some of the most ardent Bush supporters will quietly admit that yes, Osama looks kinda fishy on this tape.
Open your eyes. Look at the nose on this man. It - is - not - Osama.
Those are some shitty pictures from a shitty video. Also, his weight is so different than it was in 01 which would explain extra fat in his face.
The difference is there, I won't dispute that. But in that case it could just as easily mean his identity was faked by his own people due to failing health/unusual whereabouts/ security, etc. You have yet to make me doubt his involvement or the involment of his group.
If we're going to beat who? why was there the desire to beat them? were they a threat to American lives, or a threat to American dream of imperialism?
{LOL} This admin has demonstrated they can't even run a country, ...what the hell makes you think they can run the world? They can't even beat iran, a country crippled by 8 years of wars, bombed into the stone ages, poisoned by depleted uranium, and crippled by over a decade of sanctions, ...and the most powerful military in the world is getting it's head handed to it by them. WAKE UP!
It's the fox and the rabbit clear & simple.
The fox loses causes he's running for his dinner. The rabbit on the other hand is running for his life.
Saddams mistake was thinking he could do the US's bidding and be rewarded in the end. They set his ass up to go after Kuwait. They gave him permission to do so, ...then when he did, they clobbered him. When you lie down with dogs, ...you wake up with fleas.
it could just as easily mean his identity was faked by his own people due to failing health/unusual whereabouts/ security, etc.
If the tape isn't him, and was faked by Al Q, why did our govt verify it as real?
If you and I can use our eyes and see "hmmm, that doens't look like him", I am sure that the CIA, with their facial structure software, voice analysis, mannerism study, etc... I mean, wouldn't their experts catch "oh shit - osama is using his right hand, not his left"?
He looks very different. They would have caught it. Brix - check out this site - it'll take you 3 minutes to read, it's all mainstream media sourced, and it will probably clear up the video for you:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html
I'm sure the creators of this website are about as fishy as the tape itself. However, I agree it certainly doesn't look like him. This could have many reasons for being some innocent and some not.
The question of why would our gov't authenticate it I cannot explain myself. But I dont want to be closed minded about this so I will look at it further.
Sorry Al Gebra, but I HAVE to respond to this left wing wack job................WTF do you mean "get over it" he's the reason why this happend, if the idiot had got him in at least ONE of the ten or more times he had the chance, we might not be in the situation we're in now....but he was a coward and did little if anything to get him, go ahead Jag, I'll wait for your spin >:(!!
And what did Reagan, Bush Snr. or Oliver North do to get him? They knew he was a dangerous terrorist then. Heck, they built him. Instead North spent well over 6 figures of tax payer money to put in a home security system. Do you see how your bullshit works if you take it back far enough? ::)
Um, Bush is my leader. If I go to the grocery store and beat up a bagboy, can he be held responsible?
Brixton, you're an ignorant f**k. I'm sorry, it's not cool to go there - but it had to be said. Even some of the most ardent Bush supporters will quietly admit that yes, Osama looks kinda fishy on this tape.
Open your eyes. Look at the nose on this man. It - is - not - Osama.
alright, sorry for my rudeness.
They never tried to pass that other guy off as Osama either. I have watched every message Bin Laden has sent to the press. That other guy was never in one. Where did you scrounge up that pic?
240, I for one am sick and tired of you accusing people of mass murder. Its a serious offense and I don't think you have a clue how bad it imakes you look. You have not one shred of credible evidence. You have a load of crap from bogus web sites. It sure gets you a lot of attention and I think you thrive on that. This government may be inept but its not a bunch of murderers.