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Title: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: sarcasm on September 24, 2006, 08:15:31 AM
hhahahahahahaha, you should have seen Chris Wallace he was so owned he couldn't even speak.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: BayGBM on September 24, 2006, 08:50:22 AM
Former president Bill Clinton angrily defended his administration's counterterrorism record during a Fox News interview to be aired today, while accusing "President Bush's neocons" and other Republicans of ignoring Osama bin Laden until the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

Clinton had planned to discuss his climate change initiative during his appearance on "Fox News Sunday," but he turned combative after host Chris Wallace asked why he hadn't "put bin Laden and al-Qaeda out of business." Clinton shot back that "all the conservative Republicans" who now criticize him for inattention to bin Laden used to criticize him for over-attention to bin Laden . . .

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/23/AR2006092300928.html
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Diesel1 on September 24, 2006, 08:55:10 AM
hhahahahahahaha, you should have seen Chris Wallace he was so owned he couldn't even speak.

Mr T says he 'pities that fool'
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: sarcasm on September 24, 2006, 08:59:10 AM
now all the conservative nuthuggers are on Fox talking about how Clinton was wrong and how he's spinning, hahahahahaha.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 240 is Back on September 24, 2006, 08:59:14 AM
this dem-repub fingerpointing is a nice distraction that I hope no one buys into.

Both Presidents allowed bin laden to operate freely.

You can argue all day about 'who tried to do more', but neither man, with more resources at his fingertips than anyone in the world, did enough to kill OBL.

Perhaps instead of saying "My guy did 30% effort and your guy only did 15% effort! Pwned", we should be asking "Is it possible that an alive Osama is more beneficial to a President than a Dead OBL"?

Can anyone think about what resources would suddenly be removed with news of a dead OBL?  
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: sarcasm on September 24, 2006, 09:03:01 AM
this dem-repub fingerpointing is a nice distraction that I hope no one buys into.

Both Presidents allowed bin laden to operate freely.

You can argue all day about 'who tried to do more', but neither man, with more resources at his fingertips than anyone in the world, did enough to kill OBL.

Perhaps instead of saying "My guy did 30% effort and your guy only did 15% effort! Pwned", we should be asking "Is it possible that an alive Osama is more beneficial to a President than a Dead OBL"?

Can anyone think about what resources would suddenly be removed with news of a dead OBL?  
he's still alive, anyone who knows anything about Muslim tradition knows that a man like Bin Laden who is so revered in the Muslim world will be buried as soon as he dies it's part of the religious tradition, we would have definitely heard about it, my question is that it seems that Pakistan seems to have all this info on OBL yet interestingly can't seem to locate him, hmmmmmmmmmm. ::)
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Purge_WTF on September 24, 2006, 09:03:21 AM
Former president Bill Clinton angrily defended his administration's counterterrorism record during a Fox News interview to be aired today, while accusing "President Bush's neocons" and other Republicans of ignoring Osama bin Laden until the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

Clinton had planned to discuss his climate change initiative during his appearance on "Fox News Sunday," but he turned combative after host Chris Wallace asked why he hadn't "put bin Laden and al-Qaeda out of business." Clinton shot back that "all the conservative Republicans" who now criticize him for inattention to bin Laden used to criticize him for over-attention to bin Laden . . .

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/23/AR2006092300928.html

  Suck it and swallow, IntenseOne!
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: sarcasm on September 24, 2006, 09:18:30 AM
hahahahaha, now Chris wallace is on Fox News and he's saying that he was physically scared of Clinton because Clinton came forward in his chair. ::)
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Hugo Chavez on September 24, 2006, 09:37:15 AM
hahahahaha, now Chris wallace is on Fox News and he's saying that he was physically scared of Clinton because Clinton came forward in his chair. ::)
You have got to be shitting me... What a goddamned pussy...  ::) 


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Do you really want to hurt me...
Do you really want to make me cry....
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: bmacsys on September 24, 2006, 09:48:30 AM
Why take sides? Neither Clinton nor Bush did jack shit. Both sides are going to blame the other while neither have done shit for us. We really need someone to come in, clean house and take care of business. Fuck being left wing or right wing. Somebody who will just make the right decisions for once.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: The Showstoppa on September 24, 2006, 10:49:42 AM
Why take sides? Neither Clinton nor Bush did jack shit. Both sides are going to blame the other while neither have done shit for us. We really need someone to come in, clean house and take care of business. f**k being left wing or right wing. Somebody who will just make the right decisions for once.


I agree.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Hugo Chavez on September 24, 2006, 11:01:18 AM
Why take sides? Neither Clinton nor Bush did jack shit. Both sides are going to blame the other while neither have done shit for us. We really need someone to come in, clean house and take care of business. f**k being left wing or right wing. Somebody who will just make the right decisions for once.
Agree with that.  Good post... and you're very right.... But they're still goobers on Fox ;D Wallace thought Clinton was going to hurt him... Anybody who is that jumpy deserves to receive some shit over it ;D Kinda like when Hannity was worried for his life noting he was a potential target of pie-quada... The guys who tossed cream pies at Ann Coulter... If you're worried about getting killed by a pie.... LOL ;D
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Purge_WTF on September 24, 2006, 11:39:51 AM
Kinda like when Hannity was worried for his life noting he was a potential target of pie-quada... The guys who tossed cream pies at Ann Coulter... If you're worried about getting killed by a pie.... LOL ;D

  Y'know, it's really too bad that those guys missed that miserable vulva--would've been the first thing she ate in years.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Camel Jockey on September 24, 2006, 11:47:18 AM
Atleast Clinton fired cruise missles and shit!

Bush waited till 9/11, but instead of destroying Al-Queda he added to their cause by starting a war in Iraq.

Say what you will about Clinton, but he was a great president. You go anywhere in the world and so many people will have good things to say about Clinton. However, no one will have anything positive to say about Bush.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on September 24, 2006, 11:58:51 AM
Why take sides? Neither Clinton nor Bush did jack shit. Both sides are going to blame the other while neither have done shit for us. We really need someone to come in, clean house and take care of business. f**k being left wing or right wing. Somebody who will just make the right decisions for once.

What do you mean Bush didn't do anything? He's caught damn near everyone but BinLaden and continues to go after and fight terrorism around the world. I slept in and missed the Clinton interview but from what I read, Clinton didn't own anyone, he just gave his side of the story and I'll bet anyone in the coming days Clintons story will be called bullshit and he'll be called out point by point of the entire interview, why after all these years he's coming out and saying this now, if he truly believes what he told Chris Matthews in that interview, he would have tried to vindicate himself years ago, Matthews just called him out in public and he apparently snapped. BTW, he is right about one thing, he did have a Republican congress which means you can thank them for Clintons deficit reduction during that era!

NOW you guys watch FOX......LOL!!

BTW, the above posts are your typical Liberal response, so it was fully expected!
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Hugo Chavez on September 24, 2006, 12:28:15 PM
What do you mean Bush didn't do anything? He's caught damn near everyone but BinLaden and continues to go after and fight terrorism around the world.

NOW you guys watch FOX......LOL!!

BTW, the above posts are your typical Liberal response, so it was fully expected!
Spoken like a true turd LOL....
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Brixtonbulldog on September 24, 2006, 12:57:44 PM
What do you mean Bush didn't do anything? He's caught damn near everyone but BinLaden and continues to go after and fight terrorism around the world. I slept in and missed the Clinton interview but from what I read, Clinton didn't own anyone, he just gave his side of the story and I'll bet anyone in the coming days Clintons story will be called bullshit and he'll be called out point by point of the entire interview, why after all these years he's coming out and saying this now, if he truly believes what he told Chris Matthews in that interview, he would have tried to vindicate himself years ago, Matthews just called him out in public and he apparently snapped. BTW, he is right about one thing, he did have a Republican congress which means you can thank them for Clintons deficit reduction during that era!

NOW you guys watch FOX......LOL!!

BTW, the above posts are your typical Liberal response, so it was fully expected!

Spot on... spot on.

Clinton and Albright let Bin Laden get away no less than 3 times while in office.  The Sudanese practically handed him over and Clinton refused to lift a finger.

I saw that show.  Clinton lied all the way through it.  Surprise anyone?
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 240 is Back on September 24, 2006, 01:12:45 PM
Spot on... spot on.

Clinton and Albright let Bin Laden get away no less than 3 times while in office.  The Sudanese practically handed him over and Clinton refused to lift a finger.

I saw that show.  Clinton lied all the way through it.  Surprise anyone?

Clinton let Osama live.  Period.

Equally messed up - Right after Sept 11th, the Tailban said they would deliver Osama alive, or in a pine box, to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, or they would give us his precise location so we could kill him ourselevs with missiles - on ONE CONDITION.

We had to show them any evidence of osama being involved with 9/11.

Looking back, could we have saved lives, money, and actually got osama, if we had been a little more diplomatic, and a lot less trigger happy.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Brixtonbulldog on September 24, 2006, 01:21:10 PM
Clinton let Osama live.  Period.

Equally messed up - Right after Sept 11th, the Tailban said they would deliver Osama alive, or in a pine box, to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, or they would give us his precise location so we could kill him ourselevs with missiles - on ONE CONDITION.

We had to show them any evidence of osama being involved with 9/11.

Looking back, could we have saved lives, money, and actually got osama, if we had been a little more diplomatic, and a lot less trigger happy.

Wow ... and you believed that?  Lol.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 240 is Back on September 24, 2006, 01:23:58 PM
Wow ... and you believed that?  Lol.

I believed Condi Rice when she said that she'd be presenting a white paper to the world shortly, which would contain evidence linking OBL to 911.

We never got that.

Brixxton, I know you're a military man, right?  You of all people should realize that war really sucks.  What POSSIBLE harm would there have been in letting them Deliver OBL?  It took us 3+ weeks to assemble forces and start bombing Afghnistan.  We could have faxed them our proof and they would have delivered him in 3 days.

Or do you like it better how things have turned out? 
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Brixtonbulldog on September 24, 2006, 01:30:16 PM
I believed Condi Rice when she said that she'd be presenting a white paper to the world shortly, which would contain evidence linking OBL to 911.

We never got that.

Brixxton, I know you're a military man, right?  You of all people should realize that war really sucks.  What POSSIBLE harm would there have been in letting them Deliver OBL?  It took us 3+ weeks to assemble forces and start bombing Afghnistan.  We could have faxed them our proof and they would have delivered him in 3 days.

Or do you like it better how things have turned out? 

Hmm... trust the Taliban.  Oh yeah, the TERRORISTS! I FORGOT!  Good idea.

The chances of them delivering anybody were about as high as Adonis getting the most musclar in the Mr. Getbig.

How things have turned out?  We've lost a small fraction of the percentage of people we've lost in any other war in history and thwarted terrorism world wide since.  We're on the offensive against them for the first time in the history of modern terrorism.  New terrorist rings are discovered and apprehended almost every month.  So yeah... as far as armed conflict is concerned we're off to a good start.

BTW... the Taliban don't have fax machines.  Shhh. 
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 240 is Back on September 24, 2006, 01:46:14 PM
Hmm... trust the Taliban.  Oh yeah, the TERRORISTS! I FORGOT!  Good idea.

The chances of them delivering anybody were about as high as

You're not being rational.  We could have given them a 3-day deadline while we prepared for war, as we were doing.

If he arrived in our custody, we could have called off the dogs.  If he didn't we could have bombed them to shit, as we did.

I know that "a small fraction of percentage" of soldiers dead in the sands of Afghanistan is acceptable to you, but to me, if it was avoidable, it is unacceptable.

We had NOTHING to lose by giving them a chance to turn him over.  Sounds like you just like war.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 240 is Back on September 24, 2006, 01:48:02 PM
Hmm... trust the Taliban.  Oh yeah, the TERRORISTS! I FORGOT! 

By the way, did you know that:

In 1998, Clinton negotiated with the Taliban for location of bin Laden to kill, which they gave us.
In 2001, Bush negotiated with the taliban for US rights to build a pipeline in Afghanistan.

Why did these Presidents negotiate with terrorist groups?
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Hugo Chavez on September 24, 2006, 02:17:41 PM
Why oh why would republicans think they're going to help themselves in any way whatsoever by going up head to head against Bill Clinton...  That was one hell of a owning Wallace just took and I can't fathom it coming out looking any other way.  Either Rove has become Captain Ahab or Zack is exactly right and Murdock is hooking up the Clintons.  Wallace just got bitchslapped and left looking like a worm.  All this going out to a predominately Republican audience???  What did they hope to gain really?  hahahahahahaha.... stupid is as stupid does....
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 240 is Back on September 24, 2006, 02:25:15 PM
hedgehog said that FOXnews would take on a very pro-hilary stance for the 08 election.

I don't know if Clinton was meant to energize repubs, or open up their mind.

National Politics is just theater for the bumbling, anyway.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Hugo Chavez on September 24, 2006, 02:40:08 PM
hedgehog said that FOXnews would take on a very pro-hilary stance for the 08 election.

I don't know if Clinton was meant to energize repubs, or open up their mind.

National Politics is just theater for the bumbling, anyway.
And he may have been right, they may very well actually want Hillary... Ol Wallace walked into an ambush on that one... The higher ups had to have known how that would come out when Wallace asked those questions...  Look, by pointing these things out, maybe, just maybe some will start to become a little wiser about how we're all being suckered in this game of divide and rule.  If the side that hooked you up is now setting you up, you gotta call BS and look closer at what's going on.  But with all that aside, it's still sweet seeing a booger like wallace get bitchslapped like that... It's like watching a good street fight... I might not agree with fighting, but fuck that, I still get some sick pleasure out of watching it ;D
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Brixtonbulldog on September 24, 2006, 02:40:59 PM
You're not being rational.  We could have given them a 3-day deadline while we prepared for war, as we were doing.

If he arrived in our custody, we could have called off the dogs.  If he didn't we could have bombed them to shit, as we did.

I know that "a small fraction of percentage" of soldiers dead in the sands of Afghanistan is acceptable to you, but to me, if it was avoidable, it is unacceptable.

We had NOTHING to lose by giving them a chance to turn him over.  Sounds like you just like war.

Yeah I like going overseas for 6 to 8 months at a time... sure.

No deaths are acceptable but neither is failure to act.  In which case casualties are expected.  What is this a nation of "I'm afraid to stand up for anything" appeasers.  So I guess we should have done nothing about 911... oops my fault.

Hmm... so the taliban turned over bin ladens location and Clinton did nothing.... another point showing the incompetence and selfishness of the left.  I would also like to point out that when bin ladins loc was given to clinton it would have been much easier to grab him and the information was more reliable.  When bush finally had to find him it was 300% more difficult and more speculation.  Bush's failure to grab is far more expected.

Of course Bush wanted a pipeline.  Oil is this countries lifeblood and everyone should stop attaching something evil to it.

Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Hugo Chavez on September 24, 2006, 02:43:04 PM
So I guess we should have done nothing about 911... oops my fault.
You'll get real far arguing like that ::)
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 24KT on September 24, 2006, 04:00:17 PM
Guys, you may hate it, but the fact remains that Clinton had briefed the new Bush whitehouse saying the biggest single threat they faced was bin Laden. Even Oliver north was terrified of bin Laden back in the 80's during the Iran Contra hearings when he was questioned about the expense of the elaborate home security system he installed. The bush Administration didn't want to hear it. Infact, John Ashcroft said "I don't want to hear another word about Osama bin Laden" --John Ascroft. At least that's what he said before 911. After 911 he was consumed with bin Laden, and the bogey-man every chance he got, including to drive home The Patriot Act.

But enough on who dropped the ball, ...we all know it was the Repubs. What I wanna know is, now that bin Laden is dead, ...does the Patriot Act remain? Do Americans regain their constitutional rights?
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Cavalier22 on September 24, 2006, 04:19:11 PM
what did clinton say about not retaliating for the outrage that occurred in Mogadishu? 
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Hedgehog on September 24, 2006, 06:02:35 PM
Just watched the interview.

Seemed like FoxNews had picked an easy matchup for Clinton, and also gave Clinton the perfect setup to critisise the Bush Administration, since he didn't bring up the topic, it was forced upon him.

Gave Clinton room to flash off his rhetorics and Presidentiality.

Looked like a setup to me.

YIP
Zack
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 240 is Back on September 24, 2006, 06:16:51 PM
No deaths are acceptable but neither is failure to act.  In which case casualties are expected.  What is this a nation of "I'm afraid to stand up for anything" appeasers.  So I guess we should have done nothing about 911... oops my fault.

Perhaps you're not listening.  We could have had Bin Laden delivered by Sept 20th, dead in a box, or in handcuffs for interrogation, if we had just sent them proof.  No US soldiers lost.  INSTEAD, we go to battle in mid October, lose men, and don't get OBL.  My point is that we had a good chance to avoid any war, and achieve our objective, and WE DECLINED.

Hmm... so the taliban turned over bin ladens location and Clinton did nothing.... another point showing the incompetence and selfishness of the left.  I would also like to point out that when bin ladins loc was given to clinton it would have been much easier to grab him and the information was more reliable.  When bush finally had to find him it was 300% more difficult and more speculation.  Bush's failure to grab is far more expected.

The Taliban gave Clinton his location and Clinton fired missiles into that location.  They missed killing him by several minutes.   Please don't make this about politics.

Of course Bush wanted a pipeline.  Oil is this countries lifeblood and everyone should stop attaching something evil to it.

You are making no sense. 
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Brixtonbulldog on September 24, 2006, 07:12:11 PM
Perhaps you're not listening.  We could have had Bin Laden delivered by Sept 20th, dead in a box, or in handcuffs for interrogation, if we had just sent them proof.  No US soldiers lost.  INSTEAD, we go to battle in mid October, lose men, and don't get OBL.  My point is that we had a good chance to avoid any war, and achieve our objective, and WE DECLINED.

The Taliban gave Clinton his location and Clinton fired missiles into that location.  They missed killing him by several minutes.   Please don't make this about politics.

You are making no sense. 

I am listening and you are making a HUGE assumption.  Do you really think Bush could've had UBL dead without any lives lost and chose instead to wage a war, lose lives, and put his political rep on the line and be in the mess he's in now?  THAT'S what doesn't make sense and THAT'S unreasonable.  C'mon man pull your head out of your ass.

So Clinton fires a couple missiles amd misses.  THEN WHAT??  NOTHING!!!  HE DOESN"T DO ANYHTING!!!... That was as far as it went.  So much for backbone or followthrough. 

Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 24KT on September 24, 2006, 08:08:27 PM
I am listening and you are making a HUGE assumption.  Do you really think Bush could've had UBL dead without any lives lost and chose instead to wage a war, lose lives, and put his political rep on the line and be in the mess he's in now?  THAT'S what doesn't make sense and THAT'S unreasonable.  C'mon man pull your head out of your ass.

That's the point Brixton. It doesn't make sense, ...and it is unreasonable, ...but thats EXACTLY what happened!

Can you now understand part of the reason why so many disagree with Bush's policies?

Quote
So Clinton fires a couple missiles amd misses.  THEN WHAT??  NOTHING!!!  HE DOESN"T DO ANYHTING!!!... That was as far as it went.  So much for backbone or followthrough. 

What was he supposed to do... bomb a country and destroy it's entire infrastructure, ...forcibly remove governments from office to compensate for his frustration at not killing bin Laden? Venting is occasionally necessary, but venting unwarranted aggression against an innocent nation to appease frustration is not an option for a civilized nation.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on September 24, 2006, 08:19:07 PM
Why oh why would republicans think they're going to help themselves in any way whatsoever by going up head to head against Bill Clinton...  That was one hell of a owning Wallace just took and I can't fathom it coming out looking any other way.  Either Rove has become Captain Ahab or Zack is exactly right and Murdock is hooking up the Clintons.  Wallace just got bitchslapped and left looking like a worm.  All this going out to a predominately Republican audience???  What did they hope to gain really?  hahahahahahaha.... stupid is as stupid does....

Your as delusional as Jag.....Clinton made an ass of himself and his ass is going to get drug through the ringer like he always does....just wait and see!

And what do mean by a predominantely Republican audience? They have the highest rating of just about any network, maybe it's because no one watches the all liberal networks and comes to Fox for some unbias news!!


*Waiting for the flamming*
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Brixtonbulldog on September 24, 2006, 08:21:13 PM
That's the point Brixton. It doesn't make sense, ...and it is unreasonable, ...but thats EXACTLY what happened!

Can you now understand part of the reason why so many disagree with Bush's policies?

What was he supposed to do... bomb a country and destroy it's entire infrastructure, ...forcibly remove governments from office to compensate for his frustration at not killing bin Laden? Venting is occasionally necessary, but venting unwarranted aggression against an innocent nation to appease frustration is not an option for a civilized nation.

I don't have the patience to search the entire net for evidence to prove otherwise but I believe you are wrong and that is NOT what happened.  It is unreasonable and from the getgo and although you and 240 choose to believe every other lie spouted by the media and every CT out there I do not.  

No, he was SUPPOSED to get UBL the first time and when he passed up those opportunities he let UBL do something far more destructive.  Like 911 for example!  It WAS political.  He didn't give a damn about finding UBL.  And it was obvious at the time he cared more about the Lewinsky crap and saving his own ass.

Venting is attaching a motive of frustration and rage.  What Bush DID do was search and search and search.  But I'm sure you have a better understanding of how the search is to be conducted than the commanders in theatre.  And what is this infrastructure you speak of... have you ever seen Afghanistan?  It is beyond third world.  Downright primitive.  The only thing we really damaged to any degree was the ability for Al-Queda to strike us again.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Brixtonbulldog on September 24, 2006, 08:22:34 PM
Your as delusional as Jag.....Clinton made an ass of himself and his ass is going to get drug through the ringer like it always does....just wait and see!

And what do mean by a predominantely Republican audience? They have the highest rating of just about any network, maybe it's because no one watches the all liberal networks and comes to Fox for some unbias news!!


*Waiting for the flamming*

El Rushbo... nice to have you with us.  Hardy har.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on September 24, 2006, 08:25:24 PM
El Rushbo... nice to have you with us.  Hardy har.

"Good to be hear ladies and gentlemen"

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Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 240 is Back on September 24, 2006, 08:25:45 PM
I am listening and you are making a HUGE assumption.  Do you really think Bush could've had UBL dead without any lives lost and chose instead to wage a war, lose lives, and put his political rep on the line and be in the mess he's in now?  THAT'S what doesn't make sense and THAT'S unreasonable.  C'mon man pull your head out of your ass.

I don't think you understand what happened in the days after 9/11 - read slowly.

The US called the Taliban in the afternoon of Sept 11, 2001. Went like this:

US: "Give us Osama!"

Taliban: "Okay - just show us proof that someone in our country was involved with that terrible attack, and we'll send you him and anyone else.  Here is our email address..."

US: "No. Give him to us now oe die."

Taliban: "Look guys, we wouldn't call you and ask for John Smith of Houston, TX to be killed and delivered for no reason.  Give us one piece of evidence that OBL is connected and we'll waste his for you!"

US: "Prepare to be invaded"

The Taliban spent the following 3 weeks telling the world that 1) They had nothing to do with 911, and 2) "Please show us proof and Osama is all yours".


I guess you just like war.  Condi could have faxed them anything showing his involvement, and we get to avoid an entire war.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Brixtonbulldog on September 24, 2006, 08:31:16 PM
I don't think you understand what happened in the days after 9/11 - read slowly.

The US called the Taliban in the afternoon of Sept 11, 2001. Went like this:

US: "Give us Osama!"

Taliban: "Okay - just show us proof that someone in our country was involved with that terrible attack, and we'll send you him and anyone else.  Here is our email address..."

US: "No. Give him to us now oe die."

Taliban: "Look guys, we wouldn't call you and ask for John Smith of Houston, TX to be killed and delivered for no reason.  Give us one piece of evidence that OBL is connected and we'll waste his for you!"

US: "Prepare to be invaded"

The Taliban spent the following 3 weeks telling the world that 1) They had nothing to do with 911, and 2) "Please show us proof and Osama is all yours".


I guess you just like war.  Condi could have faxed them anything showing his involvement, and we get to avoid an entire war.

I'm sure it went down just like that.. gimmie a fucking break. 

The evidence linking UBL to the 911 attack is overwhelming and extensive and that is indisputable.  If that was really all it took we wouldn't be going through everything we are.  You have no understanding of the way the US Govt and US military function.

Your explanation is that I just like war?  That's a good one.  Keep on with that.

Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 240 is Back on September 24, 2006, 08:32:31 PM
I don't have the patience to search the entire net for evidence to prove otherwise but I believe you are wrong and that is NOT what happened.  It is unreasonable and from the getgo and although you and 240 choose to believe every other lie spouted by the media and every CT out there I do not.  

Venting is attaching a motive of frustration and rage.  What Bush DID do was search and search and search.  But I'm sure you have a better understanding of how the search is to be conducted than the commanders in theatre.  And what is this infrastructure you speak of... have you ever seen Afghanistan?  It is beyond third world.  Downright primitive.  The only thing we really damaged to any degree was the ability for Al-Queda to strike us again.

Look, boss.  I'm as American as they come.  I vote, I respect te law 100%, I study the constitution and current events very closely.  

We could have had OBL dead within a week without a drop of US blood spilt.  Understand?  

They even offered to let us surround al Q and waste all the fuckers.  Honest!  They just wanted proof of guilt.  Is that unreasonable?

What if Mexico called Bush.  Said "We had this big fire.  We know that The Boy Scout of America did it.  Turn them over".  

Would Bush turn over US Citizens without PROOF?  No, he would not.  nor should he.

If they had proof, then yes, bush should scoot those kiddies to Mehico.

Are you getting this?  We could have avoided war by showing proof.  This leads us to the next point:  There was no proof.  OBL was guilty as shit for the USS Cole, and belonged in a damn bomb crater - but not for 911.  So we shouldn't have invaded Afghan.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 240 is Back on September 24, 2006, 08:35:17 PM
The evidence linking UBL to the 911 attack is overwhelming and extensive and that is indisputable.  If that was really all it took we wouldn't be going through everything we are.  You have no understanding of the way the US Govt and US military function.

Sorry, boss.  We are in agreement that OBL is a bag of shit.  But did you know the FBI has admitted they have no evidence that OBL was involved with 911?  Condi never released the proof to the wolrd that she said was coming.  They simply didn't have proof.

I am sorry to tell you this - but there is no evidence linking OBL to 911, other than a videotape we found AFTER we invaded.  And many experts call it a fake.   

Please show me this evidence you say is "overwhelming and extensive and that is indisputable".
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Bast000 on September 24, 2006, 08:36:22 PM
Clinton was a great president, he's a great man.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on September 24, 2006, 08:40:44 PM
I don't think you understand what happened in the days after 9/11 - read slowly.

The US called the Taliban in the afternoon of Sept 11, 2001. Went like this:

US: "Give us Osama!"

Taliban: "Okay - just show us proof that someone in our country was involved with that terrible attack, and we'll send you him and anyone else.  Here is our email address..."

US: "No. Give him to us now oe die."

Taliban: "Look guys, we wouldn't call you and ask for John Smith of Houston, TX to be killed and delivered for no reason.  Give us one piece of evidence that OBL is connected and we'll waste his for you!"

US: "Prepare to be invaded"

The Taliban spent the following 3 weeks telling the world that 1) They had nothing to do with 911, and 2) "Please show us proof and Osama is all yours".


I guess you just like war.  Condi could have faxed them anything showing his involvement, and we get to avoid an entire war.

1. What is your source?

2. I'm glad we went in and fucked them up.

Sounds like Bush is basically telling them to "f-off, were not waiting and if you don't give us Osama now we're going to level your ass" and thats what we presicly did and I'm all for doing it again.......and again. Why negotioate with terrorists, the only ones who do that are sypathizers....WTF Rob, do we wait until they do it again? Bush has and always had the right idea of getting them before they get us.

Synario: Someone breaks into you house and is in your babies room.....do you read their mind and HOPE they do nothing or do blow their fucking head off before they harm your family?? If it was me, they would be lucky if it was just ONE magazine full of shells I load into them instead of three!!
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 240 is Back on September 24, 2006, 08:48:51 PM
1. What is your source?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/09/11/world/main310852.shtml

(CBS) Without evidence, Afghanistan's Taliban rulers will not hand over Osama bin Laden, Afghanistan's ambassador to Pakistan said Friday

"Our position on this is that if America has proof, we are ready for the trial of Osama bin Laden in light of the evidence."
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 240 is Back on September 24, 2006, 08:50:23 PM
2. I'm glad we went in and fucked them up.

Do you feel "fucking them up" was worth 930 US soliders' lives?

I'm all for justice.  it's just that evidence is not there.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on September 24, 2006, 08:51:33 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/09/11/world/main310852.shtml

(CBS) Without evidence, Afghanistan's Taliban rulers will not hand over Osama bin Laden, Afghanistan's ambassador to Pakistan said Friday

"Our position on this is that if America has proof, we are ready for the trial of Osama bin Laden in light of the evidence."

Please answer the rest of the question in reguard to my synario because it applies to Bushs thinking from your previous post.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 240 is Back on September 24, 2006, 08:54:59 PM
Sounds like Bush is basically telling them to "f-off, were not waiting and if you don't give us Osama now we're going to level your ass" and thats what we presicly did and I'm all for doing it again.......and again. Why negotioate with terrorists, the only ones who do that are sypathizers....WTF Rob, do we wait until they do it again? Bush has and always had the right idea of getting them before they get us.

We are completely in agreement.   My point is that they would have delivered him immediately to us, if we would have shown them any proof.   We could have avoided a war, saved 930 US lives.  

And "why negotiate with terrorists" - We negotiated with the Taliban in Spring of 2001.  We wanted to put in an oil pipeline into the country they ruled, Afghanistan.  They declined.  We considered them a credible enough government to negotiate for oil with them.  
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on September 24, 2006, 08:56:07 PM
Do you feel "fucking them up" was worth 930 US soliders' lives?

I'm all for justice.  it's just that evidence is not there.

-Nothing is worth risking a life unless it's for your family or country, I recently heard that we have VERY high re-inlistment percentage, one source (I can't remember right now) says that it's the highest it's ever been, if that is true, they (the re-inlisting solders) must have thought it was worth it!!
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Bast000 on September 24, 2006, 08:56:19 PM
George Bush is disgracing himself in the Oval Office.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 240 is Back on September 24, 2006, 08:59:04 PM
Someone breaks into you house and is in your babies room.....do you read their mind and HOPE they do nothing or do blow their fucking head off before they harm your family?? If it was me, they would be lucky if it was just ONE magazine full of shells I load into them instead of three!!

I would react in accordance with law, as all people and all counties do.

World law - you cannot attack a nation for something they MIGHT do in the future.
US law - You cannot kill a man in the street for something he might do.

World law - You CAN attack a country which attacks you inside your borders, or abroad.
US law - You CAN kill a person who attacks you on the street or in your own home (borders).

It's the same thing.  You can't kill a man on the street for something he might do.  You CAN kill him in his shoes if he crosses into your home, or attacks you in the streets.   In the world stge, you CAN destroy a nation for crossing your border, or for attacking you abroad.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on September 24, 2006, 09:00:16 PM
George Bush is disgracing himself in the Oval Office.

Jesus Christ Bast, is that all you have to offer.....Damn go eat some carbs and rejuvinate your brain, you just reiterated every bandwagon Liberal in America ::)!!
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 240 is Back on September 24, 2006, 09:00:41 PM
-Nothing is worth risking a life unless it's for your family or country, I recently heard that we have VERY high re-inlistment percentage, one source (I can't remember right now) says that it's the highest it's ever been, if that is true, they (the re-inlisting solders) must have thought it was worth it!!

Agreed.
But if we didn't have proof against OBL, and we considered the Taliban a legitimate govt (we obviously did, as we tried to buy afghan construction rights)-

Then where is the evidence that shows anyone inside afghanistan's borders had a hand in 911?
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Bast000 on September 24, 2006, 09:02:17 PM
Jesus Christ Bast, is that all you have to offer.....Damn go eat some carbs and rejuvinate your brain, you just reiterated every bandwagon Liberal in America ::)!!

I have the word of the Lord to offer. 
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on September 24, 2006, 09:05:14 PM
I have the word of the Lord to offer. 

Liberals cannot be Christians and believe what they believe.

BTW, Blasphamy IS the only unforgivable sin!!
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Hedgehog on September 24, 2006, 09:07:22 PM
Liberals cannot be Christians and believe what they believe.

What is it that they believe that makes it impossible for them to be Christians?

YIP
Zack
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on September 24, 2006, 09:44:16 PM
What is it that they believe that makes it impossible for them to be Christians?

YIP
Zack

I NEVER said it was impossible. Liberals that back certain agendas like abortion, same sex marriage, etc that claim to be Christians IMO are not.....scripture is clear on that. It's one thing to TRY to follow the Word but it's a blasphemous slap in the face to blatantly go against it.

Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 24KT on September 24, 2006, 10:01:48 PM
I don't have the patience to search the entire net for evidence to prove otherwise but I believe you are wrong and that is NOT what happened.  It is unreasonable and from the getgo and although you and 240 choose to believe every other lie spouted by the media and every CT out there I do not.

No Brixtonbulldog, that is EXACTLY how it went down. I wasn't in 8th grade when 911 happened. I was just as rivetted as everyone else, and I was glued to daily developments as much as if not more than most Americans. There was an artifical work stoppage going on in my industry at the time, so after a whirlwind summer of back-to-back projects with 16hr work days, in the immediate aftermath of 911, I finally had a moment to catch my breath, with plenty of time on my hands to sit back, watch the news, and catch up on current affairs. The Taliban did infact offer many times to not only locate, but also to provide bin Laden on a silver platter, if the US would simply show them some proof. This is not spin garnered from websites years afterwards. These were events, and news conferences which I witnessed with my own eyes, as they occurred. Whether they received the airplay in the US that they did elsewhere in the world, I cannot say, but the Taliban's offer was well known, and Bush's attitude and how he addressed it was not the way civilized responsible leaders behave.

Since they had no proof, they instead bombed the country. To this very day, the FBI's official position is that they have no proof bin Laden was behind 911. Furthermore, all indicators pointed to the Saudis by way of Pakistan's secret service, ...but not bin laden, and not the Taliban.  It was during this time that world opinion towards the USA and Bush's admin started to nosedive. Have you not once asked yourselves both why & how such n outpouring of love and sympathy could have been lost so quickly? Were you aware that in the days immediately following 911, there were candlelight vigils in the streets of both Iraq AND Iran, where people cried through the night, lighting candles, and offering up prayers for the victims and their families? As more and more evidence started to come out concerning the facts and discrepancies of 911, opinions started to sour. Empathy turned into rage, and it went into the toilet on Iraq, and the US behaviour there. The rest of the world saw the US administration connect 911 to Iraq and sway public opinion into believing Hussein was responsible for 911, and that they had WMDs that they were about to launch. It was blatantly obvious to everyone what was going on, ...however, media complicity was such that the American people succumbed. It's hard to blame you stuck in the midst of it, you're so confused you don't know what to think. So you do what people subjected to ths type of stimulation do, ...you give up all your power to the government who says they're ging to keep you safe. It's outrageous, ...but people who are scared do outrageous things, and allow outrageous things to occur and be carried out in their name. Fear has always been a powerful motivator and as long as people allow it to be, it will continue to be.


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No, he was SUPPOSED to get UBL the first time and when he passed up those opportunities he let UBL do something far more destructive.

Are you referring to Clinton here or bush, ...because Clinton went after him. Unfortunately, he didn't get him. The only ones who ignored him prior to 911 was this current administration. 

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Like 911 for example!  It WAS political.  He didn't give a damn about finding UBL.  And it was obvious at the time he cared more about the Lewinsky crap and saving his own ass.

Saddam had thought Clinton's troubles at home would distract him from maintaining the no-fly zone in northern Iraq. He tested him, played chicken and got his butt bombed in return. I remember that cause I was on a film set that night, and filming stopped as we all crowded around the monitors watching the bombing taking place, as well as Clinton's explaination for doing so prior to Ramadan. He was on record as saying we're gonna get pounded either way, ...we might as well do the right thing.

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Venting is attaching a motive of frustration and rage.  What Bush DID do was search and search and search.  But I'm sure you have a better understanding of how the search is to be conducted than the commanders in theatre.  And what is this infrastructure you speak of... have you ever seen Afghanistan?  It is beyond third world.  Downright primitive.  The only thing we really damaged to any degree was the ability for Al-Queda to strike us again.

Perhaps infrastucture was an inappropriate term to use in reference to Afghanistan {lol}, ...however, the war in both Afghanistan, and Iraq could have been avoided, were not necessary, ...and imo are perfect examples of interference and illegal naked aggression. I won't say I'm sad to see the Taliban go. I'm not. For years I lamented the fate of women in that country, and the destruction of the buddhas was just plain primitive, ...however, it is possible to commit a crime against criminals. To acknowledge a crime has been committed against a criminal, does not mean you side with or support the one criminalized, ...just that you are at least able to ascertain facts and reality. The fact is the 'War on Terror' is the convenient lie fed to the public, to obsfucate the truth of naked aggression to achieve political goals and power & profits unattainable through diplomacy, bribery, or criminal sanctions.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: gtbro1 on September 24, 2006, 10:09:21 PM
What do you mean Bush didn't do anything? He's caught damn near everyone but BinLaden and continues to go after and fight terrorism around the world. I slept in and missed the Clinton interview but from what I read, Clinton didn't own anyone, he just gave his side of the story and I'll bet anyone in the coming days Clintons story will be called bullshit and he'll be called out point by point of the entire interview, why after all these years he's coming out and saying this now, if he truly believes what he told Chris Matthews in that interview, he would have tried to vindicate himself years ago, Matthews just called him out in public and he apparently snapped. BTW, he is right about one thing, he did have a Republican congress which means you can thank them for Clintons deficit reduction during that era!

NOW you guys watch FOX......LOL!!

BTW, the above posts are your typical Liberal response, so it was fully expected!

  I got a lot of respect for you Mr. Intenseone...but you are a die hard conservative and in my opinion are worse than the fanatical liberals. When Clinton said Bush did nothing he ment before 9-11. Sure Bush did what you say he did,but he waited until after we were attacked.HE DID NOTHING ABOUT BIN LADEN BEFORE 9-11.

 You are just like my father. He gets angry and defends Bush,and talks about how Clinton's success was due to the republican congress and all that crap.Bottom line he is a christian and christians usually side republican due to their moral stands on abortion and things like that.

  funny thing is, in the middle of one of his rants,you ask him who he voted for he says " That is none of your business!" hahahahahaha
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 240 is Back on September 24, 2006, 10:12:19 PM
No Brixtonbulldog, that is EXACTLY how it went down. I wasn't in 8th grade when 911 happened. I was just as rivetted as everyone else, and I was glued to daily developments as much as if not more than most Americans. There was an artifical work stoppage going on in my industry at the time, so after a whirlwind summer of back-to-back projects with 16hr work days, in the immediate aftermath of 911, I finally had a moment to catch my breath, with plenty of time on my hands to sit back, watch the news, and catch up on current affairs. The Taliban did infact offer many times to not only locate, but also to provide bin Laden on a silver platter, if the US would simply show them some proof. This is not spin garnered from websites years afterwards. These were events, and news conferences which I witnessed with my own eyes, as they occurred. Whether they received the airplay in the US that they did elsewhere in the world, I cannot say, but the Taliban's offer was well known, and Bush's attitude and how he addressed it was not the way civilized responsible leaders behave.

Since they had no proof, they instead bombed the country. To this very day, the FBI's official position is that they have no proof bin Laden was behind 911.

You guys can namecall jag - I know that I've fought with her in the past worse than anyone in my more immature days - but I would love to see anyone disprove this statement.

Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: gtbro1 on September 24, 2006, 10:33:17 PM
There was a video that showed Bin Laden bragging about 9-11 and laughing.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 240 is Back on September 24, 2006, 10:42:30 PM
There was a video that showed Bin Laden bragging about 9-11 and laughing.

I believe that video was faked. 

gtbro1, would you be willing to spend 5 minutes reading this page about that tape?
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html

I'd love to hear your reaction.  I'll be happy to return a favor someday.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: gtbro1 on September 24, 2006, 11:17:46 PM
I believe that video was faked. 

gtbro1, would you be willing to spend 5 minutes reading this page about that tape?
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html

I'd love to hear your reaction.  I'll be happy to return a favor someday.

 Wow...  well that sure makes you think doesn't it? I would have to agree that it is very odd that anyone would allow themselves to be taped admitting to murdering thousands...and the difference in the pics of Bin laden are obvious.But if he is left handed,why is he holding the microphone in his right hand in the one picture?


    I am interested to read Mr. Intensone's opinion on this.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 240 is Back on September 24, 2006, 11:34:50 PM
Wow...  well that sure makes you think doesn't it? I would have to agree that it is very odd that anyone would allow themselves to be taped admitting to murdering thousands...and the difference in the pics of Bin laden are obvious.But if he is left handed,why is he holding the microphone in his right hand in the one picture?
    I am interested to read Mr. Intensone's opinion on this.

Oddly, he also writes with his right hand on that video too.  First time in his life that he did that! lol...

The tape came out at an interesting time:

1- Many in the world were starting to demand proof of his guilt.

2- Bin Laden had spent 3 weeks after attacks and before we invaded, doing interviews with TV stations, telling them all that he didn't do it.  Sure, he could have been lying.  But for some reason, the US media chose thow 3 weeks to stop translating ANY bin laden videos - because the White House told them that OBL was trying to "send secret messages". 

The video of him taken on Nov 19- he looks half dead.  Very skinny.  Tapes of him done after 9/11 were skinny too.  The 'gaunt-faced' bin laden tape was done in between them, and aside from the nosejob, he also gained some seriousy weight for the tape.

It's up to everyone to decide for themselves if that tape was faked.  But, since our govt found, then authenticated, then released that tape of proof as 911 involvement... I'd say if the tape was fake, they have some serious credibility issues.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: gtbro1 on September 24, 2006, 11:38:02 PM


where is Intensone ? this thread should get interesting. ;D
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 240 is Back on September 24, 2006, 11:48:59 PM
I think Mr Intenseone and I are about 2/3 in agreement on issues.  We're both repubs and strong believers in justice.  I just have Qs about 911, evidence which appears to have been faked, and just how faking he evidence affected our going to war. 

If the only thing we have which connects bin laden is that videotape, lol, then I don't know if we could even convict him in a courtroom for 9/11.  We have soldiers dying over there every day, and if they're only there cause of this faked tape, it's a sad day for our country :(
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: gtbro1 on September 25, 2006, 12:01:29 AM
I think Mr Intenseone and I are about 2/3 in agreement on issues.  We're both repubs and strong believers in justice.  I just have Qs about 911, evidence which appears to have been faked, and just how faking he evidence affected our going to war. 

If the only thing we have which connects bin laden is that videotape, lol, then I don't know if we could even convict him in a courtroom for 9/11.  We have soldiers dying over there every day, and if they're only there cause of this faked tape, it's a sad day for our country :(

The difference between you and Intenseone is that you are at least open to another opinion besides your own.He is a fanatical,and very closed minded
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 240 is Back on September 25, 2006, 12:05:23 AM
The difference between you and Intenseone is that you are at least open to another opinion besides your own.He is a fanatical,and very closed minded


I like Mr. I and I totally support where he is in his debate.  I was a diehard republican, and a diehard Bush supporter until this year.   I watched Loose Change (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5946593973848835726&q=loose+change&hl=en) and it really blew my mind. 

I'd recommend you check it out.  There are people who will dispute the movie, of course.  But many who watch it with an open mind will see some serious questions raised.  It'll really change the way you look at the day. 
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Post by: 24KT on September 25, 2006, 12:09:47 AM
I think Mr Intenseone and I are about 2/3 in agreement on issues.  We're both repubs and strong believers in justice.  I just have Qs about 911, evidence which appears to have been faked, and just how faking he evidence affected our going to war. 

If the only thing we have which connects bin laden is that videotape, lol, then I don't know if we could even convict him in a courtroom for 9/11.  We have soldiers dying over there every day, and if they're only there cause of this faked tape, it's a sad day for our country  :(

Your soldiers are there to justify huge defense expenditures that would otherwise go to healthcare & education.

Big Oil, Big Money, & big Defense Contractors put Bush in office, ...he had to provide payback.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=96519.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=96519.0)
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Hugo Chavez on September 25, 2006, 05:32:42 AM
Just watched the interview.

Seemed like FoxNews had picked an easy matchup for Clinton, and also gave Clinton the perfect setup to critisise the Bush Administration, since he didn't bring up the topic, it was forced upon him.

Gave Clinton room to flash off his rhetorics and Presidentiality.

Looked like a setup to me.

YIP
Zack
They're going to start calling you a conspiracy theorist ;)
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Hugo Chavez on September 25, 2006, 05:34:27 AM

*Waiting for the flamming*
Keep waiting.... ;D  Come up with a response worth it and maybe ;)
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Hugo Chavez on September 25, 2006, 05:38:29 AM
Would like to see how Inteseguy justifies his pro-war shock and awe stance with Jesus  ::)
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Colossus_500 on September 25, 2006, 05:42:49 AM
Bill Clinton: ‘We Did Nothing Wrong’

Despite his impeachment, Gennifer Flowers, Whitewater and the other problems that have beset Bill Clinton’s political career, the former president still maintains he did nothing wrong.

During a wide-ranging interview with David Remnick of The New Yorker magazine, Clinton “started to talk about Whitewater, about Kenneth Starr, about how allowing the appointment of a special prosecutor had been ‘the worst decision’ of his presidency,” Remnick writes.

“He talked about old enemies in Arkansas, about the Resolution Trust Corporation, about Gennifer Flowers, about Susan Schmidt of the Washington Post.”

Despite Clinton’s claims he is not looking back, “you could see just how deeply he still feels the attacks of the late ‘90s,” Remnick disclosed. He noted Clinton’s anger is palpable as his “carotid artery seemed to inflate like a jammed garden hose” as these topics were discussed.

But when asked if he thought it would be unbearable to go through all of it again if Hillary ran for president in 2008, Clinton replied: “I don’t care, because we know we did nothing wrong.”

Surprisingly some of Clinton’s closest supporters think he has more to blame than the so-called “Clinton haters.”

Remnick quoted one of Clinton’s closest aides, former Chief of Staff Leon Panetta, regarding Clinton’s state of denial:

“The method he uses to live with himself is to make a clear and precise argument that this was something that others had done to him and not that he had done to himself.

“Because of his brainpower, he can create a logic for anything.

“But deep down he would be such a good person if he could just accept the fact that he screwed up and made mistakes, and move on.”


Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: bmacsys on September 25, 2006, 06:09:00 AM
Atleast Clinton fired cruise missles and shit!

Bush waited till 9/11, but instead of destroying Al-Queda he added to their cause by starting a war in Iraq.

Say what you will about Clinton, but he was a great president. You go anywhere in the world and so many people will have good things to say about Clinton. However, no one will have anything positive to say about Bush.

Camel, I am not trying to defend Bush. Clinton's attempts to kill Bin Laden were half hearted. If the will was there we could have had him. Same as if Bush sent had sent 50,000 troops to hunt Bin Laden out instead of a few thousand and relying on Afghanis to do the job. Also Clinton did one thing that was a real threat to our national security. He gave submarine technology to the Chinese negating any advantage we held and blowing billions of dollars we had spent to develop the technology.
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Post by: Hedgehog on September 25, 2006, 06:15:28 AM
They're going to start calling you a conspiracy theorist ;)

I just don't like how Murdoch through his media empire tries to not only influence, but directly control the world politics.

One day he supports Bush. Next day Hillary. And in the past, he's supported both Thatcher and Tony Blair.

Murdoch equals bad journalism without integrity. Murdoch equals propaganda.

Fcuk Murdoch! >:(

YIP
Zack
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Hugo Chavez on September 25, 2006, 06:26:14 AM
I just don't like how Murdoch through his media empire tries to not only influence, but directly control the world politics.

One day he supports Bush. Next day Hillary. And in the past, he's supported both Thatcher and Tony Blair.

Murdoch equals bad journalism without integrity. Murdoch equals propaganda.

Fcuk Murdoch! >:(

YIP
Zack

I absolutly agree, but would you care to go a step further and provide some possible speculation as to why this is?  I have a feeling that's where we might differ but maybe not.  What's your take on why he wants Hillary... I think it is revealed right there in the Wallace/Clinton interview.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: bmacsys on September 25, 2006, 06:26:48 AM
Perhaps you're not listening.  We could have had Bin Laden delivered by Sept 20th, dead in a box, or in handcuffs for interrogation, if we had just sent them proof.  No US soldiers lost.  INSTEAD, we go to battle in mid October, lose men, and don't get OBL.  My point is that we had a good chance to avoid any war, and achieve our objective, and WE DECLINED.

The Taliban gave Clinton his location and Clinton fired missiles into that location.  They missed killing him by several minutes.   Please don't make this about politics.

You are making no sense. 

240, you are making up your own history. The Taliban never gave us Bin laden's location. They never were going to give him up. THEY WERE BUYING TIME! Plain and simple for themsleves and Bin laden. Either you are gullible or your rewriting history to suit your needs.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: bmacsys on September 25, 2006, 06:33:25 AM
I don't think you understand what happened in the days after 9/11 - read slowly.

The US called the Taliban in the afternoon of Sept 11, 2001. Went like this:

US: "Give us Osama!"

Taliban: "Okay - just show us proof that someone in our country was involved with that terrible attack, and we'll send you him and anyone else.  Here is our email address..."

US: "No. Give him to us now oe die."

Taliban: "Look guys, we wouldn't call you and ask for John Smith of Houston, TX to be killed and delivered for no reason.  Give us one piece of evidence that OBL is connected and we'll waste his for you!"

US: "Prepare to be invaded"

The Taliban spent the following 3 weeks telling the world that 1) They had nothing to do with 911, and 2) "Please show us proof and Osama is all yours".


I guess you just like war.  Condi could have faxed them anything showing his involvement, and we get to avoid an entire war.


The Taliban were BUYING TIME. What are they going to say? "oh yes we helped Bin Laden"? You think they are going to fess up? Another thing is that Mullah Omar didn't have the power to apprehend Bin Laden even if he wanted to. They were very, very dependent on Bin Laden and Al Quaida for money and arms. Come on. They weren't going to hand him over even if we had proof which they knew would have taken months to produce. ::)
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Hedgehog on September 25, 2006, 06:52:59 AM
I absolutly agree, but would you care to go a step further and provide some possible speculation as to why this is?  I have a feeling that's where we might differ but maybe not.  What's your take on why he wants Hillary... I think it is revealed right there in the Wallace/Clinton interview.

I'm not sure, to be honest.

But I believe it may have something to do with how things went in UK, when Tony Blair of Labour signaled that he would change the party more to the right.

Murdoch perhaps sees that Hillary Clinton is the best option as a right-wing Democrat.

One thing that Democrats has going for them, in comparison to the Republicans, if we should look at it from Murdoch's perspective as an international business man, is that the Democrats are traditionally more open for free-trade and removals of taxes.

With that being said, Bush isn't a traditional Republican in that sense IMO. He's been quite liberal. So Murdoch may feel uncertain of the Republicans. But he knows that Hillary has a certain international trade and labouring policy. Could be part of it.

I don't for a minute believe that Murdoch's support of Hillary has anything to do with waking up and realising that there's a environmental disaster at hand or something.



I'm open for suggestions though... 8)

YIP
Zack
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 240 is Back on September 25, 2006, 06:58:54 AM
240, you are making up your own history. The Taliban never gave us Bin laden's location. They never were going to give him up. THEY WERE BUYING TIME! Plain and simple for themsleves and Bin laden. Either you are gullible or your rewriting history to suit your needs.

Why aren't you seeing the timeline here? 

It was 21+ days from the minute the planes hit until we invaded.

They demanded proof before handing over someoen in their country.  We could have given them the evidence on Sept 12 (we had it right away, we said), and gave them one week.  They cannot be "biding their time" if we are positioning troops as planned. 

What could it have HURT?  It took us 3 weeks to get ready, and nothing had to change there.  The only facts are that they offered, contingent upon proof.  We declined to give them this proof. 

Come on bmac, you're smarter than to be a cock and lie to say "240, you are making up your own history. "  They wouldn't give up someone from their country without proof.  They said they would, with proof.  WHY THE HELL WOULDN"T WE GIVE THEM PROOF?

You're better than this.  We had a chance to end it diplomatically (while keeping up the war prep) and we passed.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Option D on September 25, 2006, 07:46:29 AM
Clinton- "You got that little smirk on your face, think youre so cleaver.."


Classic...
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on September 25, 2006, 11:12:18 AM
I need to get caught up on this thread before I respond, I was out for a day with Little League games and work today.....it may take a while. But right now Rush is tearing Clinton a new one with that interview from yesterday.....Hahaha!
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Option D on September 25, 2006, 11:15:13 AM
Rush is no match for Clinton...because of rushes format..He talks ....no one else. He can scream and hoop and holler but it means nothing without an opponent...chris wallace vs bill clinton.......TKO Clinton....same would happen to rush
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Brixtonbulldog on September 25, 2006, 08:06:48 PM
Rush is no match for Clinton...because of rushes format..He talks ....no one else. He can scream and hoop and holler but it means nothing without an opponent...chris wallace vs bill clinton.......TKO Clinton....same would happen to rush

You don't listen to Rush very much do you.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Hugo Chavez on September 25, 2006, 08:15:00 PM
You don't listen to Rush very much do you.
Why don't you just recommend he shove manure in his face.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Brixtonbulldog on September 25, 2006, 08:28:07 PM
Why don't you just recommend he shove manure in his face.

I would love the opportunity to shovel shit in his face for talking shit without knowing what the fuck he's talking about.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Hugo Chavez on September 25, 2006, 08:29:31 PM
I would love the opportunity to shovel shit in his face for talking shit without knowing what the f**k he's talking about.
::)

Calm yourself... Have some oxycontin...
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 24KT on September 25, 2006, 09:27:26 PM
Bill Clinton: ‘We Did Nothing Wrong’

Despite his impeachment, Gennifer Flowers, Whitewater and the other problems that have beset Bill Clinton’s political career, the former president still maintains he did nothing wrong.

During a wide-ranging interview with David Remnick of The New Yorker magazine, Clinton “started to talk about Whitewater, about Kenneth Starr, about how allowing the appointment of a special prosecutor had been ‘the worst decision’ of his presidency,” Remnick writes.

“He talked about old enemies in Arkansas, about the Resolution Trust Corporation, about Gennifer Flowers, about Susan Schmidt of the Washington Post.”

Despite Clinton’s claims he is not looking back, “you could see just how deeply he still feels the attacks of the late ‘90s,” Remnick disclosed. He noted Clinton’s anger is palpable as his “carotid artery seemed to inflate like a jammed garden hose” as these topics were discussed.

But when asked if he thought it would be unbearable to go through all of it again if Hillary ran for president in 2008, Clinton replied: “I don’t care, because we know we did nothing wrong.”

Surprisingly some of Clinton’s closest supporters think he has more to blame than the so-called “Clinton haters.”

Remnick quoted one of Clinton’s closest aides, former Chief of Staff Leon Panetta, regarding Clinton’s state of denial:

“The method he uses to live with himself is to make a clear and precise argument that this was something that others had done to him and not that he had done to himself.

“Because of his brainpower, he can create a logic for anything.

“But deep down he would be such a good person if he could just accept the fact that he screwed up and made mistakes, and move on.”



For crying out loud!!! Clinton has been out of office for 6 yrs now. Get over it!  >:(

Trotting out Gennifer Flowers, and ML to suggest that he let 911 happen is BS, spin and re-direct.

I don't know if the appointment of the special prosecutor could be considered his worst mistake as president, ...but allowing the special prosecutor to go to the elaborate lengths they did is probably one of the worst mistakes committed by the American people.

Do you have any idea just how many people had their rights completely taken away from them?

Do you know how many people were imprisoned, stuck in solitary confinement, because they had no knowledge of what others alledged they knew, ...and they refused to make up memories of events that didn't occur?   :o

And you call yourself a man of God? ??? Colossus, it's guys like you that leave people with very little respect for Christianity and those who profess to be Christians. I hope you're happy.  :'(

and that ain't my Aunt Flo talking, ...she's not due for a while.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on September 25, 2006, 10:24:52 PM
For crying out loud!!! Clinton has been out of office for 6 yrs now. Get over it!  >:(
 

Sorry Al Gebra, but I HAVE to respond to this left wing wack job................WTF do you mean "get over it" he's the reason why this happend, if the idiot had got him in at least ONE of the ten or more times he had the chance, we might not be in the situation we're in now....but he was a coward and did little if anything to get him, go ahead Jag, I'll wait for your spin >:(!!
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Brixtonbulldog on September 25, 2006, 10:47:48 PM
Sorry Al Gebra, but I HAVE to respond to this left wing wack job................WTF do you mean "get over it" he's the reason why this happend, if the idiot had got him in at least ONE of the ten or more times he had the chance, we might not be in the situation we're in now....but he was a coward and did little if anything to get him, go ahead Jag, I'll wait for your spin >:(!!

The Factor thanks you for your thoughts.

And now for the most rediculus item of the day.......
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: freespirit on September 26, 2006, 12:42:33 AM
Sorry Al Gebra, but I HAVE to respond to this left wing wack job................WTF do you mean "get over it" he's the reason why this happend, if the idiot had got him in at least ONE of the ten or more times he had the chance, we might not be in the situation we're in now....but he was a coward and did little if anything to get him, go ahead Jag, I'll wait for your spin >:(!!

It wouldn't make much difference if they did catch him. You believe in this "war on terror" nonsense don't you? There are so and so many terrorists and you have to kill them all to solve the problem?   ::)
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 24KT on September 26, 2006, 12:52:26 AM
Sorry Al Gebra, but I HAVE to respond to this left wing wack job................WTF do you mean "get over it" he's the reason why this happend, if the idiot had got him in at least ONE of the ten or more times he had the chance, we might not be in the situation we're in now....but he was a coward and did little if anything to get him, go ahead Jag, I'll wait for your spin >:(!!

And what did Reagan, Bush Snr. or Oliver North do to get him? They knew he was a dangerous terrorist then. Heck, they built him. Instead North spent well over 6 figures of tax payer money to put in a home security system. Do you see how your bullshit works if you take it back far enough?  ::)
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Brixtonbulldog on September 26, 2006, 12:58:18 AM
It wouldn't make much difference if they did catch him. You believe in this "war on terror" nonsense don't you? There are so and so many terrorists and you have to kill them all to solve the problem?   ::)

Maybe not anymore.. it's kinda out of his hands now.  But he planned 911 and numerous other attacks around the world so it might have made more of an impact having caught him early.  This is exactly why the US/NATO/UN shouldn't let problems get bigger before taking action.  Similar to why Saddam became a problem.  Democrats in this government and left wing leaders around the world always wanna sit on their thumbs until something horrible happens and then AFTERWARDS remain sitting, pulls thier idle hands out from underneath them and start the finger pointing. 
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 240 is Back on September 26, 2006, 01:00:48 AM
But he planned 911

Look, Osama deserved to die for the other shit he did, but will you please show us precisely the evidence you have that bin Laden planned 911?

Cause our FBI doesn't even have any proof.

They could really use the help of a bright guy like you!
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 24KT on September 26, 2006, 01:05:47 AM
Maybe not anymore.. it's kinda out of his hands now.  But he planned 911 and numerous other attacks around the world so it might have made more of an impact having caught him early.  This is exactly why the US/NATO/UN shouldn't let problems get bigger before taking action.  Similar to why Saddam became a problem.  Democrats in this government and left wing leaders around the world always wanna sit on their thumbs until something horrible happens and then AFTERWARDS remain sitting, pulls thier idle hands out from underneath them and start the finger pointing. 

And exactly WHO was it that funded Saddam and armed him til he became a problem?
And again exactly WHO left Saddam in power after Gulf War I ? ???

Using your logic, the blame would have to be layed squarely at the feet at Bush & Cheney & Rumsfeld for all the Americans dying over there.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Brixtonbulldog on September 26, 2006, 01:08:18 AM
Look, Osama deserved to die for the other shit he did, but will you please show us precisely the evidence you have that bin Laden planned 911?

Cause our FBI doesn't even have any proof.

They could really use the help of a bright guy like you!

OH... that's right.  Because that video of him claiming responsibility was a hoax right?  If you shot yourself in the mouth you would sound more intelligent.

Not to mention that the hijackers were linked to him and Al-Queda.  He WAS the leader, right.  Thought so.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 240 is Back on September 26, 2006, 01:11:24 AM
Not to mention that the hijackers were linked to him and Al-Queda.  He WAS the leader, right.  Thought so.
Um, Bush is my leader.   If I go to the grocery store and beat up a bagboy, can he be held responsible?



OH... that's right.  Because that video of him claiming responsibility was a hoax right?  If you shot yourself in the mouth you would sound more intelligent.

Brixton, you're an ignorant fuck.  I'm sorry, it's not cool to go there - but it had to be said.  Even some of the most ardent Bush supporters will quietly admit that yes, Osama looks kinda fishy on this tape.

Open your eyes.  Look at the nose on this man.  It - is - not - Osama.

Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Brixtonbulldog on September 26, 2006, 01:14:26 AM
And exactly WHO was it that funded Saddam and armed him til he became a problem?
And again exactly WHO left Saddam in power after Gulf War I ? ???

Using your logic, the blame would have to be layed squarely at the feet at Bush & Cheney & Rumsfeld for all the Americans dying over there.

Once again.. different time, different enemies.  You don't have to like it but we have to play this game of help these people to hurt these people if were going to beat em.  Don't think so?  Good luck running a country.  It's necassary.

Bush 1 left Saddam in power.  BIG MISTAKE.  He should've gone to Baghdad and wiped him out the first time.  YOU"RE RIGHT ABOUT ONE THING!!! YAY!
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 24KT on September 26, 2006, 01:25:51 AM
Once again.. different time, different enemies.  You don't have to like it but we have to play this game of help these people to hurt these people if were going to beat em.  Don't think so?

If we're going to beat who? why was there the desire to beat them? were they a threat to American lives, or a threat to American dreams of imperialism and global hegemony?

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Good luck running a country.  It's necassary.

{LOL} This admin has demonstrated they can't even run a country, ...what the hell makes you think they can run the world? They can't even beat iraq, a country crippled by 8 years of wars, bombed into the stone ages, poisoned by depleted uranium, and crippled by over a decade of sanctions, ...and the most powerful military in the world is getting it's head handed to it by them. WAKE UP!

It's the fox and the rabbit clear & simple.
The fox loses causes he's running for his dinner. The rabbit on the other hand is running for his life.

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Bush 1 left Saddam in power.  BIG MISTAKE.  He should've gone to Baghdad and wiped him out the first time.  YOU"RE RIGHT ABOUT ONE THING!!! YAY!

Saddams mistake was thinking he could do the US's bidding and be rewarded in the end. They set his ass up to go after Kuwait. They gave him permission to do so, ...then when he did, they clobbered him. When you lie down with dogs, ...you wake up with fleas.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Brixtonbulldog on September 26, 2006, 01:33:50 AM
Um, Bush is my leader.   If I go to the grocery store and beat up a bagboy, can he be held responsible?



Brixton, you're an ignorant f**k.  I'm sorry, it's not cool to go there - but it had to be said.  Even some of the most ardent Bush supporters will quietly admit that yes, Osama looks kinda fishy on this tape.

Open your eyes.  Look at the nose on this man.  It - is - not - Osama.



Bush is not your leader like Osama is to Al-Queda.  For you to make a comparison like that is silly, you ignorant fuck.

Those are some shitty pictures from a shitty video.  Also, his weight is so different than it was in 01 which would explain extra fat in his face. 

The difference is there, I won't dispute that.  But in that case it could just as easily mean his identity was faked by his own people due to failing health/unusual whereabouts/ security, etc.  You have yet to make me doubt his involvement or the involment of his group.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 240 is Back on September 26, 2006, 01:42:52 AM
Those are some shitty pictures from a shitty video.  Also, his weight is so different than it was in 01 which would explain extra fat in his face. 

The difference is there, I won't dispute that.  But in that case it could just as easily mean his identity was faked by his own people due to failing health/unusual whereabouts/ security, etc.  You have yet to make me doubt his involvement or the involment of his group.

alright, sorry for my rudeness.

That tape was filmed in Ocober 2001.  That is the jalalabad tape.  He was on tv, 2 weeks before then, looking a good 50 pounds skinner.  a month after this tape, he did another tape from a cave, and he just looked like shit.  Bone skinny, limp arm, etc.

So unless he gained then lost 50+ pounds, that wasn't him.  Also the guy on the tape wrote with his right hand, and Osama is left handed.  Most worldwide experts believe it's a forgery or won't comment on it, even tho they will verify all his early tapes.

MY POINT - WHy did our govt FIND, then VERIFY this tape.  if it's fake, that means we faked it, or we're the stupidest people in history to not see the difference.

Once we realize that 1) our govt lied about this tape, and probably manufactured it, 2) It is the only piece of evidence connecting him to 911...you start to wonder...

Without that tape, we would have NO justification for war. 
If it was faked to justify a war - was 911 also faked to justify a war?

How can we trust the govt when they tell us what happened on one event, if they'll create, find, autheiticate, then feed us this tape 2 months later?
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Brixtonbulldog on September 26, 2006, 01:44:29 AM
If we're going to beat who? why was there the desire to beat them? were they a threat to American lives, or a threat to American dream of imperialism?

{LOL} This admin has demonstrated they can't even run a country, ...what the hell makes you think they can run the world? They can't even beat iran, a country crippled by 8 years of wars, bombed into the stone ages, poisoned by depleted uranium, and crippled by over a decade of sanctions, ...and the most powerful military in the world is getting it's head handed to it by them. WAKE UP!

It's the fox and the rabbit clear & simple.
The fox loses causes he's running for his dinner. The rabbit on the other hand is running for his life.

Saddams mistake was thinking he could do the US's bidding and be rewarded in the end. They set his ass up to go after Kuwait. They gave him permission to do so, ...then when he did, they clobbered him. When you lie down with dogs, ...you wake up with fleas.

Beat anyone that works against us.

We haven't started to fight Iran yet.. and it is not certain that we will.

Saddams mistake was being a peice of shit human being.  Period.  We did not GIVE him permission.  We inadvertantly gave him the ability.  He was still responsible.  But as a liberal rresponsibility is a foreign language, I know.  Your associations are out of this fucking world.  
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 240 is Back on September 26, 2006, 02:00:09 AM
it could just as easily mean his identity was faked by his own people due to failing health/unusual whereabouts/ security, etc.

If the tape isn't him, and was faked by Al Q, why did our govt verify it as real?

If you and I can use our eyes and see "hmmm, that doens't look like him", I am sure that the CIA, with their facial structure software, voice analysis, mannerism study, etc... I mean, wouldn't their experts catch "oh shit - osama is using his right hand, not his left"?

He looks very different.  They would have caught it.  Brix - check out this site - it'll take you 3 minutes to read, it's all mainstream media sourced, and it will probably clear up the video for you:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html

Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Brixtonbulldog on September 26, 2006, 02:07:12 AM
If the tape isn't him, and was faked by Al Q, why did our govt verify it as real?

If you and I can use our eyes and see "hmmm, that doens't look like him", I am sure that the CIA, with their facial structure software, voice analysis, mannerism study, etc... I mean, wouldn't their experts catch "oh shit - osama is using his right hand, not his left"?

He looks very different.  They would have caught it.  Brix - check out this site - it'll take you 3 minutes to read, it's all mainstream media sourced, and it will probably clear up the video for you:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html

I'm sure the creators of this website are about as fishy as the tape itself.  However, I agree it certainly doesn't look like him.   This could have many reasons for being some innocent and some not.

The question of why would our gov't authenticate it I cannot explain myself.  But I dont want to be closed minded about this so I will look at it further.




Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 240 is Back on September 26, 2006, 02:19:03 AM
"I'm sure the creators of this website are about as fishy as the tape itself.  However, I agree it certainly doesn't look like him.   This could have many reasons for being some innocent and some not.

The question of why would our gov't authenticate it I cannot explain myself.  But I dont want to be closed minded about this so I will look at it further."

Cool.  I agree- a lot of shit on CTer site is just silly.  Some see a UFO blur at the Twin Towers (i'm serious! lol) Look at this crazy shit at the towers -

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2803552645631172414&q=911+ufo+world+trade

I don't buy into it.  But yeah, some of these guys do go too far with it.  Sometimes tho, like when they pointed out all the flaws in the 911 tape it made sense.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 240 is Back on September 26, 2006, 02:24:02 AM
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4815215761052824077&q=ufo+on+9%2F11

LOL this shit is amusing - check out this 'something' that flies thru the screen.  Pretty fast.  Showed up on multiple angles.  Beyond my comprehension, but pretty funny to see.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: gtbro1 on September 26, 2006, 05:24:54 AM
Sorry Al Gebra, but I HAVE to respond to this left wing wack job................WTF do you mean "get over it" he's the reason why this happend, if the idiot had got him in at least ONE of the ten or more times he had the chance, we might not be in the situation we're in now....but he was a coward and did little if anything to get him, go ahead Jag, I'll wait for your spin >:(!!

ummm...What did Bush do in his first 8 months in office to get him? What did he do to try and stop him BEFORE THE ATTACKS ON 9-11?
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: bmacsys on September 26, 2006, 08:07:01 AM
And what did Reagan, Bush Snr. or Oliver North do to get him? They knew he was a dangerous terrorist then. Heck, they built him. Instead North spent well over 6 figures of tax payer money to put in a home security system. Do you see how your bullshit works if you take it back far enough?  ::)

Judi, that story is an urban legend. It wasn't Bin laden who Oliver North was refering to.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: bmacsys on September 26, 2006, 08:09:16 AM
Um, Bush is my leader.   If I go to the grocery store and beat up a bagboy, can he be held responsible?



Brixton, you're an ignorant f**k.  I'm sorry, it's not cool to go there - but it had to be said.  Even some of the most ardent Bush supporters will quietly admit that yes, Osama looks kinda fishy on this tape.

Open your eyes.  Look at the nose on this man.  It - is - not - Osama.



They never tried to pass that other guy off as Osama either. I have watched every message Bin Laden has sent to the press. That other guy was never in one. Where did you scrounge up that pic?
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: bmacsys on September 26, 2006, 08:17:32 AM
alright, sorry for my rudeness.


240, I for one am sick and tired of you accusing people of mass murder. Its a serious offense and I don't think you have a clue how bad it imakes you look. You have not one shred of credible evidence. You have a load of crap from bogus web sites. It sure gets you a lot of attention and I think you thrive on that. This government may be inept but its not a bunch of murderers.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton destroys Chris Wallace and Fox news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 240 is Back on September 26, 2006, 09:30:27 AM
They never tried to pass that other guy off as Osama either. I have watched every message Bin Laden has sent to the press. That other guy was never in one. Where did you scrounge up that pic?

YES - THEY DID!  The CIA verified the authenticity of this jalalabad tape.  It was suppsoed to be the smoking gun which proved OBL was involved.  Did you watch the news that week? 

240, I for one am sick and tired of you accusing people of mass murder. Its a serious offense and I don't think you have a clue how bad it imakes you look. You have not one shred of credible evidence. You have a load of crap from bogus web sites. It sure gets you a lot of attention and I think you thrive on that. This government may be inept but its not a bunch of murderers.

I want a new investigation.  Period.  I've made it very clear that it's my own opinion that our govt was forced into this by a bigger overseas group.  But, like your stance, it's all just speculation until we have a complete investigation.

I don't think you realize how gullible that YOU look by just swallowing things as fact.  That OBL tape - the CIA told us it was real.  Now, eitehr the CIA lied to your face, or they are utterly incompetent.  Which is it, bmac?